Apple M1 Mac Mini review for music production

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There are a lot of benchmarks and numbers about the new M1 Mac Mini computer. But how does it perform in a real life situation for music production, streaming and recording? Here are my thoughts.
UPDATE 1: MOTU released a driver for the Midi Express 128. I got the beta test version before and can confirm that it works fine! motu.com/download
UPDATE 2: Please don´t get mad about my RAM statement. I know that the Mac Mini and MacOS can deal with RAM very efficently and I am no IT expert to talk about the pros and cons here. My argument should have been "you can´t upgrade the RAM later, so get the big one instead of regretting it later". All efficiency aside: when you work with video projects and sample libraries more RAM is good. That is the point I was trying to make.
This is a list of everything that I tested and I can confirm that it works:
HARDWARE:
RME Fireface 802
RSHTECH USB Hub 3.0 (amzn.to/2TuMQAA)
Ableton Push 2
Elgato Streamlink 4k
Midi Fighter Twister
Arturia Keystep / Microfreak
Waldorf Iridium (I stop the list here, all class compliant midi devices work)
SOFTWARE (latest versions):
Ableton Live 11
Bitwig 4
OBS
all U-He products
all TAL products
all Valhalla DSP products
Ozone 9
Arturia V-Collection
Arturia Pigments
Spectrasonics Omnisphere
Native Instruments Straylight, Reaktor, Massive, Replika
Xfer Serum
00:00 Introduction
00:14 RAM
01:14 SSD
02:04 Connectivity
03:13 Real life test
05:41 Software support
07:30 Compatibility
09:34 Your questions
14:10 iOS and macOS
14:42 PWM
14:53 Video editing
16:36 Final thoughts
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@MartinStuertzer 3 года назад

With the increasing popularity this video gets more and more off-topic comments. For the first time ever on this channel I had to delete insulting comments. I don´t want to tell you which computer you should get, I just want to tell you how it works for me and why I decided to use this configuration. If you feel offended by a computer review please get your problems sorted out instead of attacking other people. I will go back to making music now, most questions have been answered here somewhere.

@RayAndre 3 года назад

It's always like this with Tech videos. This is the first video I watched of yours and I am very glad to have found your channel. Thanks!

@Guitarisalways 3 года назад

Well said, actually your review was really helpful tgank you💯‼️ Yay, more music.‼️

@thefoxfamily341 3 года назад

What? 😂😂😂✌️❤️Sorry for this dumb people

@2020TYBO 3 года назад

PIN THIS..

@thefoxfamily341 3 года назад

Und überhaupt du hast das Ur Mörder setup, da kannst du doch verwenden wie du es willst oder brauchst, so komische Leute da draußen... 😂✌️Aufjedendall Respekt Ur fetter sound machst du da

@themilesinkorea 2 года назад

A lot of comprehensive and well-considered detail in a competently presented presentation. Thank you, Martin! I’m currently looking at the Mini myself.

@pietropavan777 3 года назад

Finally someone that speaks of performing and streaming with the same unit !! Thanks

@velanchesmusic 3 года назад

That’s pretty amazing what you’ve thrown at your M1, when it comes to production and content creation. It helps validate my purchase of the Mac mini earlier this year, and for the most part I have very few issues. I love the fact that I have to focus less on the tech issues and more on just creating. Much appreciated!

@xavierhenck3496 2 года назад

Hey! when you say you have very few issues, what kind of issues do you encounter?

@gonzalogomez8508 2 года назад

how is going compatibility?

@evolartsrecordingstudiooff408 3 года назад

I'm so glad I found this your setup and cpu load is almost identical to mine and I can't do all that I would like without loads of dropped frames and audio lag etc. I'm using a 2017 iMac and now know what I will upgrade to from seeing this!! Thank you!

@InvertedPopesMusic 3 года назад

Thank you Martin for this I was looking at the M1 and really good to hear your results.

@anonymouswave2328 2 года назад

Hey, I wanna thank you for your review. You answered all my questions and I'm blown away by how much this device can handle. Great setup btw, I look forward to seeing your next online show.

@TheSunnyJim 2 года назад

This review helped me tremendously. I was wondering the same thing: Mac Mini vs MacBook Pro and had pretty much come to the same conclusion that Mini would work best for my audio/video needs. I am buying the Mini this week. Thanks for doing such an eloquent job of stating why it works for you and what it does do. Well done.

@KasePrince 2 года назад

The new macook pros have jus been released, what your thoughts?

@murdechoc 2 года назад

any feedback ?

@gem3778 2 года назад

@@KasePrince I have an M1 from 2020. It works fine. Doesn’t overheat and it’s pretty fast

@yaoun4760 2 года назад

@@gem3778 i do want one, but they'r expensive asf in my country, specially at the global economy moment :(

@fallenleaf24 5 месяцев назад

I have the M1 8gb as thats all I could afford at the time & Music wasn't my main focus.. I only use the Mini for Music tho to be clear. I have only got one project to hit 12gb of ram.. MANY phase plants vitals & serums 0 issues. I got the speeddrum VST as this enabled me to reduce the kits I have to its core samples. & reuse RAM usage I also prefer this to other options. I use the Logic Pro X samplers for loop chopping & larger sample dumps. I am yet under normal use find this little things limit. I can Edit video almost as fast as I can on my 4k custom built PC. I have some VST's that are only rosetta & I could not tell you the difference. I completed 3 psy dub tracks & not even using 30% of the CPU but using about 7GB of ram. so if you are looking for a dedicated music rig then get more RAM like he says 8gb of samples is 8GB of samples. But I have to say the 8GB of ram is not bad at all if you don't mind taking care of what you are doing. I have found that when I am using more than 8GB of RAM the disk use is not even as bad as having safari or Firefox open with many tabs of videos cued.. So my conclusion is that the browsers hit the SSD harder than a huge track with loads of stuff going on. I have never seen it draw more than 30w that was only because I was hitting a bench mark.. rendering videos you name it and its using nothing... My Pc uses more on standby than the MacMini at full stress.. for me its a total win!!!! I am bias as I love the Mac & I regret having to use the PC when I do windows is horrid compared to Mac OS.. but that is my opinion.. Fully recommend a Mac mini! if you need to save the cash 8gb is fine but 16 will serve you better!

@robbieswain 3 года назад

Thank god someone made this. The only review that’s been helpful

@DrSpaceman69 3 года назад

yes, so informative. Most “reviews” on youtube are just fancy unboxing videos

@johnhands531 2 года назад

I honestly struck gold surfing & finding your channel. I absolutely love your channel. Keep up the great work & thanks you dearly for so much information.

@ThomasBrunkard 3 года назад

Good work Martin. Your assessment of RAM and HD purchasing is refreshing in that you considered value as opposed to just cost.

@georgesmajerus 3 года назад

Finally a great review video on youtube. Great sound, great video quality. No nonsense talk. 20min well spent If only more videos where like that. Danke

@hirogarimusic 3 года назад

Fantastic review. I am preparing to make the plunge and your review answers all the questions I’ve been trying to source answers to across the internet.

@vincent33195 2 года назад

This has been the most thorough and most helpful review on this topic - thank you Martin. I have watched several videos and read several reviews, and this was by far the most helpful. Cheers!

@i.balazs 3 года назад

Great, honest review, especially for musicians, thank you!

@Nexotron 3 года назад

thanks alot for this review, that not just throws a benchmark at the system and calls it a day. If I hadn't already bought the M1 Mini for Audio-Production, I would have now. :D

@bradleyhoward8195 2 года назад

This is so chilled out, I reached a transcendental state at 4 minutes. So refreshing compared to your 'Whatsup everybody' videos. Thank you!

@cassiomendes13 3 года назад

Thank you, Martin! I love your shows, and I also love your gear oriented videos. Um abração!

@samuelll3166 3 года назад

This is a brilliantly put together review! Thank you for making it :)

@TheFrankiejay 2 года назад

Martin, just found your channel and thank you for a great review. I didn't think the Mac Mini would be this powerful. I'm now sold on the idea of getting one after your comprehensive review.

@nothingmemorable486 3 года назад

Absolutely superb review thank you. I too ditched apple a few years back and really didn't think I would buy ever again.... So pleased the world of computers at least is moving forwards again.... It's that silence that I am most excited about... brilliant thanks again...

@chadkyle4904 3 года назад

Excellent review - and very impressed with your translations...

@atlasmoss4520 3 года назад

The best "M1 for music production" review I've seen on RU-vid. Very clear and detailed. Thank you!

@smackdammit4266 3 года назад

2015 mbp here and seriously thinking of picking one up, great review 👍🏾

@thenormalyears 2 года назад

I am also running a 2015 but getting really curious about these

@Andronacus Год назад

Thanks for this Martin. Was thinking about getting one of these. Now my mind is made up. Love your channel and your music. Working my way through the stay at home performances. Nice to see I’m not the only one with a cat who loves music too. All the best and thanks again.

@chrisg5271 2 года назад

Thank you for the time you took to pass this info on definitely appreciated as I been wondering about this for some time, most helpful thank you

@JamesKDrummer 3 года назад

This is exactly what I needed to hear. Perfect

@AmenBreakBro 2 года назад

Hi Martin! Thank you for your in-depth and honest review, It's a pleasure to listen to your voice. I've just ordered the M1 mini with 16 Gb of ram and 512 Gb SSD

@iliaskatelanos 3 года назад

thanx a lot for this review mate ,much love and respect for your music !

@DougHammer 2 года назад

Very informative and concise! Thank you for sharing your experience. I'm moving my studio to Apple Silicon in the near future.

@tylajoeconnett 2 года назад

I’ve been looking for something to replace my old late 2013 MacBook Pro, and I’ve been super stressed trying to find a new Mac, but this video seems to have helped me out!! You’re a legend for putting this together!

@mschorer 3 года назад

I have moved my music production to a 16GB MacMini M1 from a Mac Pro 2013 and I run Logic in Rosetta mode. All works perfectly fine, even Softube‘s Console 1.

@Funkbutterfly Год назад

Thank you so much for making this video. Exactly the questions I wanted answered!

@AngieNusseyMusic 2 года назад

I am so appreciative of this thorough review Martin! Thank you! I have a home studio and have been wondering how to upgrade for quite some time never able to land on what would work best. Cheers to you from Canada!

@tuffwizeproductions6749 2 года назад

Thanks a lot Martin, you have seal the deal in terms of me getting a new Mac mini for music productions give thanks well appreciated.

@bhaskardangat Год назад

This helps, Mini is the way for me as well....the music in the background is soothing....thanks for the upload Martin :)

@illyanarasputina5770 2 года назад

I thank you for this video, I was very unsure the mini could handle such a load. I appreciate your frank, open take on how this functions.

@s1gns0fl1fe 3 года назад

Wonderful and honest review. Great to hear you speak. As they keep iterating and making the "M" processor line faster and more efficient, the lure to switch back to Mac (especially for audio/video producers) is going to increase. Side note: my presets spotted at 03:47!! Cheers Martin.

@MartinStuertzer 3 года назад

Your patches sound a bit crispier on the new Mac. ;)

@be8965 2 года назад

Hey Martin, I just checked that MOTU has upgraded the majority of their devices to work with the M1 technology, I hope your MOTU midi express works with your mini Mac. Thanks for your very detail video , much aprecciated!

@prizmwizard 2 года назад

Thanks for the insight! Man, so amazing what can be packed into such a small box. Might have to pick one of these puppies up.

@jamesgrellier4750 2 года назад

Thank you for this video, Martin. This has been extremely useful for me in making a decision about getting an M1. Excellent job.

@svarogstudio 3 года назад

Glad to see you like it. I also got the 16gig version for the studio, and the transition was a breeze. All my software and plugins work well under Rosetta, no issues with bluetooth and wifi either. I'm running big sessions, 100+ tracks of audio, virtual instruments and a bunch of plugins, recording screen at the same time and having bunch of chrome tabs opened on the other screen... and the mini runs without a problem, keeping silent at all times. Really incredible, and when software starts to have native support it will only get better!

@vikramjitbanerjeetuki 3 года назад

Which audio interface are you using

@svarogstudio 3 года назад

@@vikramjitbanerjeetuki I'm using Motu M4. No official drivers yet, but it is USB class compliant and works without a problem.

@kunal_vashishth 2 года назад

Bro i am also planning for buying mac mini m1 for music production.Should i go for 8gb ram or not?

@svarogstudio 2 года назад

@@kunal_vashishth I would recommend 16gb. Not only will it be usable longer before the need to upgrade, but also virtual instrument libraries and those things do need a solid amount of ram these days. You can't upgrade the M1 ram, so better get more from the start.

@kevinjackson7539 2 года назад

Do you have any UA plugins or ilmultimedia plugins? they are CPU hogs and I'm hoping the rumored m1 pro comes out soon.

@Eightball69 3 года назад

This is exactly the info I've been searching for. Thanks 👌

@mikelee428 3 года назад

Thank you for taking the time to share with us. I’m sorry about those whose comments might have been offensive,

@bobjam9907 2 года назад

Love You dude for producing top end modern art. You music means a lot to me! All the best !!!

@PlugInGuruVideo 3 года назад

I really appreciated your insight = To see the flip in the industry to such a degree literally overnight is so exciting. I’m chilling to see if the MacMini M1X show up before buying - but this was great affirmative feedback. Thank you again. 😊👍

@MartinStuertzer 3 года назад

Absoluteley, I understand that this is a major step in platform development and all companies need time to adapt.

@MB-dp2rx 3 года назад

Thanks a lot for this very detailed review/analysis. Really helpful and appreciated.

@HamzaKhan000 2 года назад

this is what an honour review means. Splendid

@GalactrixX 3 года назад

Killa Guy! Thank you for your time and your support! ♥️

@ericcestero2666 2 года назад

omg, your storytelling is legendary, I am not making fun, when you explain the scenarios with such technical precision, the story and points come along, very good review, learned allot and cute cat!

@555atU 3 года назад

Thank you for sharing your experience in detail. I brought some 4K video to a friend who has a M1 MacBook Pro and it editing was so fast and smooth it was amazing. I ordered the same Mac mini as you. I can't wait to use bitwig on it and use the modular software on it and not have the CPU struggling

@yitao_ 2 года назад

The most informative M1 music production review.

@smaca5250 3 года назад

Hi Martin, Thank you for your honest and trustworthy opinion about the M1 machine. It is really good to hear about 'real world' use. I will definitely be considering it when I next upgrade my setup…

@lenchristiansen9078 3 года назад

I use PreSonus StudioOne 5 as my DAW. I purchased the 16GB version of the M1 MacMini and it is brilliant! Absolutely no issues.

@RioYugo 3 года назад

How many tracks can it handle?

@marcusbornold 3 года назад

How is third party plugin äs runing in Studio one? (Plugin allience, Arturia..)

@chrissneider7550 2 года назад

@@RioYugo On my M1 I can handle 145 Midi and Audio tracks without noise or cuts, I have the 16GB version. However, on my Nuc Intel Hade Canyon 4.2 I can handle 185 midi and audio tracks simultaneously, but I have 64GB of RAM, about 364 simultaneous polyphony voices.

@michaelbey23 3 года назад

Thank you this is just what I needed. Great video!

@CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy 3 года назад

It really feels like these high performance RISC chips that Apple has ushered in are the start of a new era of personal computing. This is more than just simple iteration, evolution. This feels fairly revolutionary.

@N-trepid1 3 года назад

Martin, this review is GOLDEN. Thank you! I've been holding out for the MB Pro, or a 27inch M1 that I can upgrade to 64 Gigs of RAM. Its encouraging that you are able to run instances of CPU intensive software (Pigments, Omnisphere, Serum) without chronic drop outs with your 8 gig M1 :) I also own a Motu midi interface (and Native instruments Apps) and was SHOCKED to hear about the lack of M1 support. I will be hounding Motu for movement in this space. I'll also put a bug in Apple's ear about these vendors. Its a win-win sales bonanza for both Apple and Motu to address compatibility with the M1. Again, thanks for the detailed review :)

@haro82 2 года назад

Thanks for this review. Your projects are likely A LOT larger than mine, so I feel pretty comfortable in ordering a mac mini m1.

@JogieGlenMait16 2 года назад

I like the direct to the point presentation. Thanks, my German friend.

@tarryman98 2 года назад

Thank you for this video Martin and I am very grateful for your effort to make it. Fortunately, I didn’t see the negative comments. Really trying to limit what I let in while still being aware of the world we’re livin’ in. I have mainly been a collector of boxes that I thought would save me over the past 30 years though nothing has jelled into a functional system. I have an Express 128, Roland A50, M - Audio Keyrig 49, AKAI LPK25 Edirol FA101 etc etc And now my early 2011 MacBook Pro, no battery, (swollen) is starting to show its age. Music production is a wish list item, I am a working Actor and must self tape so video has become the priority. I will continue to watch you and others and hopefully I can move the needle and achieve a functional music production home studio.

@BigWorldofToys 3 года назад

One of the earlier releases of MacOS for the M1 would just keep randomly rebooting. So glad they've sorted it now and it's working well for you. BTW, I've started listening to your music on Spotify after seeing this video, love it! ;)

@MatNewtonTrio 2 года назад

Thanks Martin. Really useful review. Covered pretty much everything I wanted to know. 👍

@zb3485 3 года назад

nice review! installing stuff right now, and its unexpectedly easy! m1 rules!

@MarcWeertsMusic 2 года назад

Thank you for this review! Was wondering about switching to a similar setup myself.

@bizcandy 2 года назад

Awesome video! I love that you get right to the point and title the topics. Subbed and belled. Thank you!

@cortical1 Год назад

Thank you, Martin! Greetings and thanks from San Diego, California.

@jdoucetteguitar 2 года назад

Great and comprehensive review. Thank you

@dammills 3 года назад

I’m still running my 2012 MBP and it is incredible how upgrading to a SSD extended its life. I haven’t thought about upgrading until the M1 chip came out because like you said, Apple got to a point where the price didn’t match the performance for what was out there. Thanks for your honest review!

@MartinStuertzer 3 года назад

The SSD upgrade was a huge improvement on my old mac!

@thomassedgwick7405 2 года назад

Hey Martin great video! I have a mid 2014 Apple MacBook Pro which is really slow right now for my music studio. What SSD would you recommend to speed it up?

@nuvoscintilla6868 2 года назад

Great lucid information, and great advice and tips. Thank You !

@juancarlosgonzalezcastro9694 2 года назад

you answered all the questions i had, thanks man!

@LormaG 3 года назад

Thanks for doing this informative review. 🙏🏿

@nyambe 3 года назад

Yes, I bought the base model just to test it out, within 3 days it had become my main machine. Not perfect, but I do punish this M1 ecamlive, logic, fCPX, nodejs at the same time, but it always delivers!

@Cryo837 2 года назад

The 2020 M1 machines are STILL the best value on the market. Apple really killed it. Thank you for this detailed review.

@ADF-fe7fv 6 месяцев назад

Very good and useful information!

@Slownoisedubs 3 года назад

Hi, thanks for the useful info! love the dub techno live sets you do too.

@MartinStuertzer 3 года назад

Thank you! Next dub techno session is coming up this sunday!

@Guitarisalways 3 года назад

Awesome stuff Martin💯‼️

@Guitarisalways 3 года назад

Thank you

@Startrekker77 3 года назад

Thanks for this!!! Picked up the M1 Mac mini last week. Just about to install Luna..... fingers crossed lol!!!

@adriandonal 3 года назад

What is the experience with Luna on M1 :D?

@KunchangLeeMusic 2 года назад

How was it ?

@ConnexCrewTV 2 года назад

Danke für das Video! Hatten überlegt uns einen neuen Mac fürs Studio zu holen und jetzt sind wir uns sicher, dass der Mac Mini den du reviewed hast, gut ist dafür ist!👍🏼

@jlebreton 3 года назад

Martin, thank you so much for your honest opinion on the Mac Mini M1. I have an iMac late 2014 and when I’m working on music, my fans goes on and it gets loud! On top of that, I get overload messages when too much stuff is happening. I am really looking at upgrading my iMac 2014 and your video helped my decision to do so. Again, thank you for your great video review on the Mac Mini M1! Oh, btw, I believe the Mac mini does not have a fan. That’s how efficient the damn thing is 😊.

@screamingjimmy 3 года назад

thanx for this video. I was thinking about getting this and your video is very helpful

@tolfred 3 года назад

Very good review here, thanks! And great synth eyecandy in the back as well! Is that an Oberheim Expander? Cool!

@winstonbeckford785 2 года назад

Sure is an Xpander

@LaminarSound 2 года назад

Your video is impressive sir. Very articulate and informative. Its quite impressive what your M1 Mini is handling. Thanks for sharing. A lot of people on the tube are saying M1 isnt great for serious pro work but its very clear the M1 is capable of that and more. I mean, maybe not if youre editing multiple 4k streams of vid, but audio? Its CLEARLY handling even very demanding needs. Put it this way, Im running a late 2012 Macbook Pro Retina, 70+ tracks in Pro Tools, at 96k, and only bottleneck if i run my mastering chain(Ozone) on the mixbuss simultaneously. My new M1 iMac arrives tomorrow. If my old machine handles 90% of my needs, Im confident M1 will handle anything I can throw at it.

@Tony-Madisson 2 года назад

Thanks a bunch for your helpful review 👍

@b9dger54 2 года назад

My MacBook Pro M1 arrives this week but that’s for portability. I may get a Mac mini along the line just for studio setup. Super excited after watching many many videos about them. Thanks for this

@kibangujuusdachurch 3 года назад

clean, honest review.............thanks brethren

@jongriffin2608 11 месяцев назад

Very reassuring. Just pulled the trigger on a Mac Mini - M2 - 1TB system drive - 24gig Ram. Particularly pleased to learn that stacking USB isn’t an issue, I’m transitioning from a PC so braced for unforeseen problems!

@josephwright5921 2 месяца назад

How is it working out now that you have had it for a while?

@Jordanezul1 2 года назад

Hey MARTIN herzlichen Dank fuer deinen SUPER Review!TOP!Kind regards from Amsterdam!

@dinofond 3 года назад

Thank you Martin this was very informative

@Drag0nFlea 2 года назад

Now that's a good review

@MourirJeuneMusic 3 года назад

Completely agree with the MOTU bit! Thanks for saying it for us "users" 😁 Great vid, love the honesty and quality of info! Keep it up

@MartinStuertzer 3 года назад

There are a few but my own questions were not answered there. So I decided to make my own review.

@dreamdealer 3 года назад

great insight, lots of useful information in this video, thank you.

@stefanelf7794 3 года назад

I’ve been using my Mac mini M1 for six months in Ableton and things are working smoothly overall. Sometimes I’ve had strange USB and Thunderbolt drop-outs after waking the computer from sleep, but things always work after a reboot. All in I’d definitely make the same choice again, the M1 chip is such a welcome update for me as long time Mac mini user. Since I steer clear of Native Instruments (I’m definitely an Arturia man) I haven’t had any issues with software compatibility. I have noticed strange spikes in CPU usage when using massive sample libraries but I assume that’s due to paging since RAM memory is limited to 16GB. In such situations I just freeze and flatten those channels as soon as possible. Recently I’ve achieved 50+ channel projects with smooth playback, with some of the channels using CPU hungry VSTs such as Softube Model 84/72 synths. The price to performance ratio of the M1 Mac mini for music production is unmatched as far as I’m concerned, especially if you’re into iOS synths which work perfectly as external instruments in Ableton.

@MartinStuertzer 3 года назад

Wake-up can be strange, I have some issues with my monitor but decided not to include that in the review because I am very sure that the problem is the power saving mode of the monitor and not the Mac.

@NicolasMelis 3 года назад

thanks for the info! very helpful 😊

@EnchantedRhythms 22 дня назад

Thanks this is really useful for me rn in 2024

@aslanyo 3 года назад

Thanks for your time!

@-gbogbo- 3 года назад

Thanks for the review. The fan is blowing on mine, I can feel the air when I put the hand near the slot, but it does not make noise

@MartinStuertzer 3 года назад

Good to know, thanks for the info!

@hypnopad 3 года назад

This is the best video so far on this subject that I’ve seen. I’ll still probably wait for the next M1x Mac mini and for Ableton and NI to update their software to work natively.

@jm6734 3 года назад

When do you think we’ll see an M1x?

@GabrielOrtiz- 3 года назад

@@jm6734 been looking around and no one seems to have a date

@nygelgiggetts9086 2 года назад

Probably won’t see an m1x mini as it will be reserved for pro machines

@mrjonez5364 2 года назад

So NI KOMPLETE 13 won't work now with a Mac mini m1?

@hypnopad 2 года назад

@@mrjonez5364 The way I understand it, most things will work with the help of the Rosetta 2 translator app but will run way better when the companies recode their software to run natively on the M1 chip.

@Gelenkbusfahrer 2 года назад

I just wanted to say thank you very much for this nice and informative video - and for your music. I learned about it an Twitch-Stream of Jerome Isma-Ae, so kudos to him too.