Apple makes risky bet on VR/AR future 

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they'll have to catch up though if Apple's bet reveals itself profitable

@@TheRspeeed But they don't have to be the one to gamble. They can learn from Meta and Apple's mistakes.

That ain’t even on the same level of this VR

@@Natalietrans That's exactly my point

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People will still look like a dork if they were these in public or any setting where there are other people present. The Google Glass, even though it has limited functionality, is less dorky than these.

@@VMRDY No question. I don't think people hated on Google Glass because it was "dorky". I think they were concerned about privacy mostly, and the "rudeness" of it. Because someone could be talking to you and you're just looking at the small screen in your eye instead. With AR glasses, I think those issues can be addressed, and people would like it.

You would want a glass like Tony Stark's for it to become popular

google glass crawled so that this could maybe walk. google was yet again ahead of its time lol

​@@JVIPER88I disagree, as this takes it a step up (or two) in rudeness. Those were glasses that gave you some more info or notifications, here you can do something else entirely while pretending to listen.

So it's doomed. No way Apple will allow p*rn on this thing.

As a chinese, I'm very proud that confusion said that. china no1

@@sean-ih5fpAh, good Ol’ Wise Confusion.

This is a comment bot guys, I've seen more than 10 comments of him in last 24 hours

the chinese got their prioirities straight

indeed, they do have 3.5k less

No way, if it catches on, it will let you know how much debt that person has.

Hololens is definately aimed toward businesses, devs or education. Apple seems to want this to be something everyone can get and enjoy for day to day use at least that's how it's advertised but prices it so no one can afford one. A bit silly really.

I don't think it's for business either. Fairly enough Apple couldn't create product for professionals although they put PRO in their products but almost most business and professionals use Windows.

@@sultanhanga well, the only thing this had that looked useful was the AR design programs, which is kind of a business thing, but it’s still aimed to project 2D apps into a 3D space for some reason

If they can make a headset with a lot of the same functionalities priced under 2k, I think it will pop off

They will have to wait till the price of Micro OLED drops and the availability of it is much higher.

It's supposedly coming in 2025 for $1500. So kind of like buying a macbook for your face. Hopefully they can get enough decent apps and content by then to justify it.

It will probably be pretty easy for them to release a normal version considering, by that time they can reuse a lot of the factory machines they've built today, economies of scale, and remove some features like the oled screen on the outside.

Well if the normal version doesn't have as good eye tracking or latency than theres no point in buying it at the 2000$ 2500$ price point. Just buy a Meta Quest for 1/5th the price.

The people in the commercial certainly don't look overwhelmingly rich. And the lady in the airplane looks like she is sitting amidst economy passengers.

what features would they remove that would bring down the price yet make it still interesting?

The XDR display starts at 5k and goes to 6k like the resolution :D

@@Fibonacci620 They can remove the front facing display easily. They can give it a lower end chip. Maybe some body sensors can go too.

​@@Danilo125815 plus less over the top build quality, slightly lower resolution display (though i doubt apple would go this route) and overall improvements in manufacturing that could enable them to make this tech cheaper overall, i can definitely see this approaching 999 dollars not in the far-ish future (5 years from now maybe?)

Uk's fault for not having a currency that's exactly the same worth as dollars. No reasonable person would do the math. Any reasonable person would sell their product at the same number in every currency because it's not their fault that everything is worth differently so why would they care?

Congrats, you just discovered taxes and tariffs. Also prices is US are always shown excluding tax

​@@kikcit's not that, UK had more tax in exchange of cheaper Healthcare 🙏, dollar is cheaper than pound

the $799 iphone 14 is literally $1765 in turkey, imagine what vision pro will cost

@@kikc Thats not how it works.

These systems already exist with better quality, as real AR for a tenth of the price. This is going to go down hard and in flames. With maybe 10.000 customers worldwide stupid enough to actually buy it.

Have you ever tried to type in midair? It's a pain.

@@skorp5677 That's my point see through = can use a normal keyboard

@@NineSun001 What system has better AR for 350 bucks?

And the finale, i'm ded 🤣

The iPad moment was epic.

Do you have any idea what the FOV is probably like? When I go to the websites and try a guesstimate of the screen size with resolution it doesn't go much higher than 30-40 PPD o.O.

​@@Quast 30-40 PPD is actually nice, fov won't be big with pancake lenses.

So can I ask what's the problem with eye tracking? I'v been hearing about it for years but despite this I saw no PC hardware that uses foveated rendering, all eye tracking stuff is just for VRChat. I'm very curious, is it really that hard? The hardware should be solved by now, I think the main stuff is buffing out ML algorithms.

The quest 2 does natural hand tracking incredibly well, how is the Apple version a breakthrough compared to that?

​@@HenleyBaileyquest 2 doesn't that with an attached input devices doesn't it? I doubt if iruity's version will even come close since it doesn't use any input device to help with tracking.

i didn't knew about this

@@jm1835 The vision pro is an AR headset

@@mattc9598 I think that it has VR too, but probably is more focused in AR

Austin... Thank you... The perception Vision Pro is a consumer device, with consumer pricing for the masses , proves they have no idea of the Blueprint and the idea... They just dump on what they either dont understand, nor what the cant afford... I cant afford it... Im not an apple fan... But im also not delusional to write it off because its apple.... Fanboys on the non apple side are as bad as the rest... and statically , theres more of them.... So fanboys... Let that sink in.

@@mattc9598 Did you not watch and understand what it can do ? SMH... Its not just AR.. Its not just VR.. It does BOTH better than ones that choose to be one to the other... Fk me...As usual,....Total FUD

Which product?

@@azahid1aza751 the HoloLens

and that they have entirely laid off the entire division responsible for develolpment of mixed reality tech....

@@256k_ the differences is that it was for business usage and nobody feel like they wanna spent more than a thousand for Microsoft products. This one aimed for consumer and they have a huge track record on how people in their ecosystem will literally pay for overpriced tech to have their shit. This will blow Hololens out of the water and leave Microsoft wondering what the fuck have they been doing the whole time. It's Windows Phone incident all over again lmao

Apple is such a different company that they can announce Apple Car and Wikipedia will change the inventor of cars from Ford to Tim Cook

That would be short lived tho, say bye bye eye-balls

​@@holthuizenoemoet591 no evidence that VR is bad for your eyes if the lenses are good

@@holthuizenoemoet591 People have been using VR for almost a decade nonstop now and their eyes are fine. The Vision Pro is probably way better for your eyes than a traditional VR headset anyway since you can actually see everything around you normally

Hell no, touch some grass.

@@sun1goldnI don’t care how much grass you like sleeping with you can’t tell me the vision pro doesn’t sound cool

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I've been thinking about that and you could just hold the device and record like you would with a phone. Then you're just as present but you get a better video.

Robot dad

usa was disconnected from the reality since the beginning. now you realize? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XirnEfkdQJM.html

you already do it with a phone, how is it any different

makes for a good antidote to 'meme(DIS)information' :D

Like Confucius said

No, hardware wise pro vision is VR at it core and AR is just a add on... same as in Quest and other insideout tracking headset that technicly needs AR to function. The AR focus is purly phylisopical, goal is to make VR a device that not just used once and catch dust by mainstream which are connected to real more then virtual, people who use VR is daily basis are people with weak social life using applications like VRChat as substitute, so keeping connection with reality and surrounding in basic operation and keeping emersion optional is Apple solution solution. Hololens is transparent display AR headset, it cant block off reality and emerse you, while Vision Pro is... because in reality its VR headset, it can do way more then what hololens could ever do.

Don't be crazy, the cord is an elite standalone package for just $349.99 and the high tech adapter module can be ordered for only $599. Or you can bundle them with free shipping for $1299. Apple is so gracious to everybody.

It all depends on epic if they want to port the engine. Apple choose to partner Unity as its more common engine used in vr market + apple and epic relasionships are not in good shape after recent lawsuit

Why would you ruin perfectly good unix like that.

@@sacredgeometry customisation

@@David-tz1oi People still do that shit?

@@sacredgeometry were only doing that for the lols

this isnt intended to compete with the quest its not intended for gaming

@@cr4mbo quest pro isn't just for gaming

Go for the 3. The Pro is overpriced and generally mid.

Meta Quest pro's spec is worse than Oculus Quest 2 Also worse battery life. It is just thinner and lighter Just go with 2 or 3

@@SenpaimustNotice and is still incomparable to the apple vr for the intended function

VR headsets are already including chips since a while ago, have you missed Quest 1 & Quest 2?

@@diogogf9754 Those are vaslty inferior chips.

the m2 chip is so far beyond its competition that nothing else is comparable

@@cc-dtv It's still not gonna play something you need a RTX 4090 for. Plus the oculus quest can already stream wirelessly from your PC. I dunno when a shitty standalone will be able to run games as well as a full blown gaming pc, but it's not in the near future for sure.

@@mrkiky It seems it would be software capped for VR games, just like the first iPhone with the capability of shooting video, the hardware allowed it, the software didn't.

Major cope on this one, dude.

I don't think it's Amazon at all, I think it's a crypto scam coin

report them when you see them

Reading? Like reading a book? 😂

@@wilhelmdewald4322 it could help with posture but worse on the eyes

@@spacegoat_3d801 You can just stretch like a functioning organism

@@wilhelmdewald4322 Browsing and reading websites, books as well, yes. Pretty sure Apple's own "Books" app will be there, no? haha. It will be comfortable to read. Just lie back and read on

I like that this headset is much more HD than say the Quest, which will finally make it better for me to read on such device. I love the immersion it brings. I can set myself up in the middle of the desert, lie back and read, nothing at all around except for the texts I'm reading, and some classical music!

Staring at a computer screen all day is even worse for your eyes lol

@@ADreamingTraveler How so?

@@ADreamingTraveler VR is staring at a low resolution monitor right in front your eyes. Two of them in fact, so you'll have problems focusing the vision too.

@@gregoryporter-gaming2559 Fixed focal distance. You can simulate depth in VR.

Despite glasses being a thing for 1000 years, people still have no idea how optics work. Your eyes would literally not be able to focus on just a few centimeters in front of you, so all VR headsets project the screen several meters in front of you, which is actually pretty good for your eyes. The worst thing is that nobody here is advocating for stop living in houses and towns, despite the fact that this is the biggest reason why eye problems are so common now compared to when people worked and lived in the wild and fields.

Never ever underestimate the sheep.

@@gxguy2906 edgy

I can't really see this honestly, especially for graphic art there are resources for vr 3d modelling/animation but usually they're more clunky than they are useful, software would have to update just as fast, and find a _serious_ reason to be worth using over flat screen monitors. even at that level its still just a toy/novelty over a serious tool that increases production or quality.

I can tell you from experience, after about an hour, you don't want to use this to create anything. There's no point in using this to create something unless it's going to be used in VR.

If you need to collaborate on something in spaces that are not predetermined or controlled, I can see this being helpful. Apple was apparently harping on about the airplane scenario quite a bit, which makes sense. I can safely say that these goggles would be a downgrade from what I already have in my home theatre and office. I don't see any value in it personally. If they can get it down to around $600 - $1,200, then it will definitely pick up lower to middle income media consumers. And even at $3,500 I can see some larger businesses being interested in this for employees that need to interact with a lot of different departments. I question how practical any of this really is at the moment, but maybe with time the number of software tools will grow. I'd be surprised if the product loses its weird-factor in the next 5 years; adoption for this is probably going to be incredibly slow.

wow

its a useless pos

What would be a better price point?

@@herbertscott9575 I'd buy it for

keep in mind the brick phone that came out back in the day was retailing for 4k

I think the price is very fair. Personally I was expecting something like 4,999$.

You should go argue with the Varjo people for selling headsets for 7k. Too bad they dont have the divine data you do apparently

@@TunaIRL Did you, personally (not as a business expense) buy a $7k varjo with a $1.2k annual subscription? Varjo made $62m revenue. Lets estimate 10-20k units. Compared to quests 20m units, it sucks. Its a numbers game. Don’t be snarky if you want to have productive dialog.

@@doctoroctos So why don't you go argue with them about it?

@@TunaIRL You have said nothing. I guess you didn't buy one and probably won't buy the apple one either. Anything else you want to point out in the world as expensive that you aren't going to buy. Please make me a list and I will talk to each company.

@@doctoroctos Why wouldnt you go? People get paid for consulting businesses, you could make easy money.

lol...😂

He missed the mark with this one, if you watch other sources. Didn't even mention that it's primarily aimed to compete with the $4000 and $7000 AR headsets that businesses already use

meta has already ray ban ar glasses

That's true, but I didn't actually see much need for any of the AR features. Why do I need to watch a film, or view my photos in my natural environment? I would probably always set it to one of those cool backgrounds anyway, so the whole selling point of AR is sort of moot. I think there's a ton of promise with AR but nothing immediate yet. For instance if the AR features allow me to interact with my natural environment in meaningful ways (maybe with IOT, where you can use the gesture features to do stuff like turn on lights). Or order stuff from a virtual menu. But first they have to solve the problem of people not wanting to look like wankers wearing these around, by reducing the price and form factor.

@@hojdog sounds like my grandpa telling me "who's gonna need that overprice internet when you have radio and newspaper everyday?" My grandpa was kinda right because he can only think about internet features at that moment and refuse to open his mind to see the possibility of the future.

Repeat after me, pass through is not AR. The amount of up votes this has is disturbing.

@@andhikadimas6345 found the apple fangay

Isolation promotes loneliness promotes cravings promotes sales Genius.

no people look at their phones a lot, but can still see you, with this thing tho..

Yeah bro, I don't really like this idea. A more powerful computer would be better.

..Apple Newton failed...VR?

GOOD

That’s where the “almost” is referring to

because the product is DOA. Work from home is over at most major companies and most workers are back in the office. The project was started during the pandemic but even Apple quickly abandoned WFH and was one of the first tech companies to order people back to the office. So who is this for? Definitely not companies. There's no reason for them to buy an AR headset when a majority of workers are back in teh office already and increasingly so.

This is a dev conference so it's for everyone

@@raymond_luxury_yacht That's a fair point!

They did it so they’d have the pretext to pitch a cheaper option down the line. Also because it simply looks cool.

Even at industrial level the use cases are kinda limited. I mean who wants to write excel spreadsheets with this thing on their head.

Probably because most people forgot or don't know about it and have no use for it and never will... and it most likely will be the same for the much more expensive Apple version as well

​@@pkop4 I'm quite surprised they decided to go down this route of even more expensive tech that's intended for a smaller audience at the same time. On the other hand now, I wouldn't be surprised if they come out with a foldable iPhone in September.

Not comparable..

​@@_Scintill8tor What a great argument you made.

Because Meta Quest Pro is just an inferior version of Oculus Quest 2 but cost more

then why is it priced like the best product in the market?

@@peq42_ because it’s the most advanced on the market

@@breadone_ its 4.5 times more expensive than the most expensive consumer headset out there

@@breadone_ and it doesn't even have controllers, no explicit support for PC VR, awful pathetic battery, etc

@@peq42_ the meta quest pro, more like 3 times, the meta quest pro is £999

It doesn't need Macbook, It is standalone computer with its own OS.

@@k.vn.k I am fully aware, that is why I said with "support"