I own a quest 2 and 3 and I recently got a job at Apple and had a demo for the vision pro. Vision pro is definitely better hardware wise but in my opinion the passthrough function isn't exactly leaps and bounds better than the quest, not 3000 dollars better
I was never interested with the Meta Quest before because I thought it was just a VR gaming console like the PlayStation. Didn’t know you could do other stuff on it until now. 😮 Now I want one!
I use it every day tbh for work and play. I like having more than 2 monitors (immersedvr and virtual desktop). Its pretty clear to me and I'm coming from OLED VR. It has since replaced my VIVE Pro 2 tbh. Hand tracking kinda of sucks, but when it works it's okay at best. It's nice sitting at your PC and using your KB/M tho
Same. I got the AVP (intending to return it within 2 weeks). I messed with it, was super impressed.. then found out about Q3 (from the Zuck marketing stunt of all things) Bought one. Tried it. It's a jankier , lower res but stil a solid device. I decided to keep my 4k and get along with the Q3 until the next round of VR / AR headsets with updated panels. They will be coming now for sure. I can wait.
I went and bought a meta quest 3 a few days after receiving my Vision Pro just to compare and see what I was getting for 7 x the cost. That said, I returned the VP and kept the MQ3. The VP was too uncomfortable, and the apps on the MQ3 are way more abundant. I have to disagree about the android tablet on your face. I feel the interface is way better on MQ3.
They can't lol. AVP is cool and all but it needs to be starting at $1000-$1299 to even be viable against other systems. It's a hot item if you're a developer looking to build for apple.. but if you're a regular ass person this thing is an iPad in mask form, currently...
So to get a vision pro, you need to have an iphone or another apple product? That's too much for me, that's why I like android. Freedom to do whatever I want with what I paid for, not tied to no apple tree😂
Honestly quest 3 is overall better yea it doesn't have the best hardware and not the best color pass threw but more app support and play some good games on it too have more fun with it
1st gen Vision Pro is a Public beta (+$4000 cash to blow) & developer device, all to further the tech & software for future generations of the product, waiting to see how this tech combined with ai goes in next few years now that apples in the game, 👍👍 video
As a life long Apple user who bought a Quest 3 recently, the Quest 3 is really impressive and the VR games are brilliant but the general ecosystem is woeful. Nothing beats Apple software.
I couldn’t agree more. The quality and integration of their OS to all of their other devices are quite excellent. That alone is enough for some people to justify buying the AVP.
It’s just another Apple Cash grab. The vision pro will drop in price by half at least. Then it will be where they probably really wanted it, and people will be all over it because the price dropped. And it will still cost 3 times as much. I was very interested but I have seen enough Vision Pro testimonials to know it’s not worth it. GREED we are talking about GREED.
@@thisisashan are you a hater? Ppl pay 5k for a gucci hoodie… this is legit tech that I can dismantle and put in a glass box later on down the line as art. Go try one, then buy one and touch grass with it on. Cause I certainly am 🤡🤣
While I don't think the Vision Pro is worth it right now, if its apps build out to a full suite to replace a macbook rather than tag along with one, it'd be a lot closer, though still not worth the $. If it was priced more in line with a m2 macbook, $1500ish, now that would be worth it as a laptop replacement.
I personally like iPhones because I’ve had 3 android phones and everytime in just 1 year or less they would be buggy, they’d lag, freeze up, run slow and so much more
For me the solo knit was waaaay better than the stock strap with quest 3, not sure why. I use bobo for my q3 now, which is much better than the solo! Haven’t been able to try the dual loop for AVP. Yay for options though! All our heads are different 😊
I find your comparison to Android tablets interesting, considering the Quest OS actually runs on Android, which I don’t know if you were aware of or not. I have tried in the past to use my Oculus Quest 2 and Valve Index as monitor replacements, but the experience wasn’t good enough for me. The resolution was too low (especially with the Index) and, in the case of the Quest 2, the field of view was way too restricted. The Quest 2 pass through is surprisingly usable, despite not having colour cameras.
The AVP has about the same FOV as the Quest 2 in my opinion. That's one of the reasons I am not buying it. I demo'd it in the Apple store and they let me use it for like 40 minutes.
After watching a bunch of reviews, it seems like the target user base is enterprise and business. This could be why they started with the "Pro" version. Figure out what works, fix what doesn't, streamline where you can, then sell a stripped down version at a more consumer friendly price that's more appealing to users in a more business oriented setting.
Quest 2 owner here. I bought it on a whim a couple years ago when I discovered that budget VR headsets existed, as I'd been interested in the concept of VR ever since my brother showed me an early headset in, I don't know, 2016 or so? I'm glad to have a VR headset. There are some experiences that just are not suited for a flat screen or standard controller. But it hasn't revolutionized how I play games, I've never used it for any of the things it can do OTHER than games and exercise, and all in all it sees use a few times a week during the winter and maybe a dozen times through the rest of the year. I don't know if I would spend the extra $200 to retroactively have bought a Quest 3 rather than 2 if I could, even knowing it's a _way_ nicer product, so the idea of spending almost 12x what I spent to get one that's a bit nicer than that seems crazy. I know, VR is still in its early adopter phase, and it can get a lot better for cheaper. I'm not convinced it'll ever be more than a niche tool or hobby though..
One of the best uses for it IMO is simply as a monitor. Being able to lay down and not strain my neck to see the screen I'm using is amazing. I'm happy we're now getting native support for stuff like xCloud and Steam Link. Hope we get more.
I'm curious to see if Meta will increase the price point for a Quest 4 in order to upgrade the hardware to have more advanced features and be more competitive, or are they going to keep the $500 starting price which will somewhat limit the tech they can put in it. They could do a lot with a $1500 price point or a $1000 price point Quest 4 or maybe Quest Pro 2. The trouble I think that Meta might run into is that Apple is a hardware and software company that does a very good job of blending both together for their products. While Meta is primarily a software company with hardware elements duct taped on from various companies they've acquired, both the hardware and software offerings from them being mediocre to average. Right now, Zuckerberg can claim his product is competitive, but that's not going to last long. Apple is great at revising and polishing their products, especially the early generations. Apple has a long history of disrupting industries they get into, included with that history are CEOs of an incumbent company who foolishly didn't take the Apple competition seriously.
would it be much better if all the components be put on a backpack? so that the headgear will be reduced into glasses-size? like battery+components(the size of power bank) in 1 body inside your backpack or pocket... the glasses can be tethered or just connected with bluetooth.
Still, if you're going for a vision pro or quest 3 type of MR/VR the 'glasses' would need a display panel, cooling and exhaust system for Said display, some kind of lenses and other electronics, and at that point it wouldn't be glasses anymore.
Most of the people that seemed wowed by Vision Pro when they first tried it had clearly never used a Quest 3. It wows people just as much when they have never seen VR/AR before. Very selective media coverage really. Obviously the Vision Pro does have more cleanly integrated software and better resolution, but it fails in its primary aim. The primary aim is productivity but it fails for two reasons right now: 1. You can only have one display of your Mac anyway. There is no individual window support or multiple displays, so it's no better than one large monitor and worse than having several (which is still a lot nicer to look at as well). 2. It is just horrendously uncomfortable and even with practice, wearing it for more than a few hours isn't practical. And you can't really expect to have a work environment that you entirely switch around part way through the day. Until it resolves weight issues, it doesn't succeed at the one thing they wanted to solve. So I think in that regard it's just a failure.
I can't believe that that trashy Quest 3 bundled headstrap beats the VP for comfort. That's the first thing everyone gets rid of because it's so unconformable. EDIT: /s I also find it quite refreshing that Apple now let you use their newest tech without having to have an account with them /s
I love the Quest 3, it does everything i need it to do as far as a VR headset is concerned...I would NEVER spend $3500 on any VR headset on the planet, no matter what it does or no matter how much work i need to do on my mac. It just isnt practical...i havent seen one single feature on any of these videos that makes it worth anywhere near that price. Not one....i appreciate what Apple is trying to accomplish with it, but to me its just another cash grab scheme, simply because they know whatever price they choose to put on it...some people will buy it regardless. It is what it is...but i wouldnt be interested in upgrading at all from the Q3 until something comes out with complete FOV.
Who cares if it looks fancier on the outside. What is wrong with people? You don't even see it when you're using it. Good comparison video though. Pretty unbiased and objective.
But I am a Musician and Vision Pro is not for musicians as the Quest 3 has way more apps and Music Production DAWs than the Vision Pro oh i forgot the Vision Pro has none and Apple makes Logic Pro X one of the leading Digital Audio Workstations in the world and its not on the Vision Pro so for me it's not worth it's at all who wants to just look at multiple screens that all the vision pro offers no music production software no Mixed Reality instruments no music production DAWs no headphone jack to get audio out into your soundcard this headset is Apple just robbing people again and Apple will lose this battle because Mets own 3 of the most used apps on any device including apple's own devices as Instagram, WhatsApp, Facebook and Threads will be integrated into the Quest 3s Augments feat which will change everything in terms of software and how its looks and Apple's M2 chip is more powerful but lags way behind in AI features built into the chip as it has none so as AI technology get better so will the chip on the Quest 3 with new AI features
The only thing that makes sense when considering the cost are the displays. Each eye is slightly higher than 4K and they're HDR so those are some very high end components. Everything else they used isn't anywhere near as impressive.
Because it's still such a new market that people are trying to price it and figure out what's what honestly very exciting smartphones have plateaued and gotten boring. Its Great to see some competition start to form.
The problem I see with Meta scaling their price up (to accommodate for more advance hardware) is Meta's customer base are on the cheap side of the equation, we saw this with how well the Quest 2 sold after Quest 3 had been released. People were more willing to shell out $250 for the newly discounted Quest 2 than they were $500 for the brand new Quest 3. The Quest line were supposed to be an affordable VR headset. Quest 1 started at $400, Quest 2 at $300, and the Quest 3 at $500. They tried something different with the $1500 Quest Pro and that attempt was an utter failure.
I mean that's ignoring the fact that the quest pro wasn't worth the price and was delayed by covid. If they drop a new quest pro I'll definitely upgrade my quest 3. I'd like to see how that new snapdragon Orion cpu performs. What gpu is included on that 🤔
The thing is the vision pro and quest 3 are showing what's coming. It may not seem like it now but if they can get these devices smaller and lighter like a pair of ski googles or even glasses you put on Your face that don't buldge out extremely far and instead of these see eyes through it thing the vision pros doing is light enough to just put up on your head when your not using it.... I mean this is our future computer and phone in 1 device I can already also see like restraunts and stores having some in 3d virtual space having ways to display adds and signs while your wearing them too. Ya it will be wierd at first seeing everyone walking around in glasses or visors or at least having them on thier up on thier heads but when the trade off is legit only needing 1 device to do what your phone and computers, and tvs do now? This is the future. 1 of these companies will start the trend and instead of phones and computers, monitors etc every year we will get new goggles/ glasses the main limitation is batteries which we have only optimized we haven't been able to get past them. Batteries are our limitation
I don't think it's extremely fair to portray that your experience with the weight and balance of the vision pro is universal for everyone. It's like a pair of shoes, where you may think a certain pair is comfortable but someone else doesn't. The vision pro comfortability will be different for everyone with varying head and face sizes and will vary depending on size and strap configurations. Now that's not to say that it's light by any means or couldn't afford to shed some weight in future generations, just that the comfortability will be different for everybody.
The thing the blew me away the most is that you don't think the quest 3 display is that much worse for work purposes. I had been wondering that as a quest 3 user just how much better the vision pro display might be for work. I'm not in the apple ecosystem so as you alluded to for me vision pro doesn't really fit with what I'm doing. Overall I think this was a very cool comparison video
Apple has developed such an adversarial relationship with developers that I don't think they want to subject themselves to the App Store treatment on a new platform.
7:36 so it doesn't have a guest mode that allows you to save a different profile with preconfigured preferences? Does it have to be repeated with every use for the same person?
@@christophermarks7110 it’s really not the same thing. What if one of the two options was free? Then would you say “is it worth paying infinite times more for this”
I'd rather the guest mode be absolutely unskippable. Handing someone an uncalibrated device is a great way to make sure they never consider buying their own because the experience will not be optimized.
like consider it, a camera passing the image through a display vs a display that projects the image to your eye, products like the nreal glasses are better tech for AR imho.@@deezpleez3832
Agree, true AR glasses need to have real see through ability with digital overlay in front of your vision while being much smaller lighter cheaper for mass adoption, this is the best looking VR experience with simulated reality see through, but not ready for mass adoption as first generation product
I'm not even super into all the extra tinkering quest offers, but it's nice to have the options if I wanted to. I'm pretty sure the furthest I've gone is just using app lab. Spent a few hours figuring out how to side load on my quest 2, but then upgraded to 3 and sorta don't have the energy to care at the moment to do it all over again lol
This is the absolute worst possible comparison / take.. Virtual monitors are COMPLETELY different on quest 3 and Vision Pro. Not even close. Everyone I showed eyesight said they want it. They’re not even close.
Some people have been working with multi-monitor setups in the environment of their choice thanks to PCVR compatibility, with fully workable 1080p grade virtual monitors surrounding like a real office setup. What Vision Pro has going for it is a bump in resolution. I would have considered if it actually supported multi-monitors. Even apps like NoMachine etc. are currently not available for it, and that would have been the one workable workaround for the problem... A shame. My take is that for productivity, currently it's not even close... but the reverse way
To compound the problem, there is no current way to open passthrough portals on Vision pro, if you immerse yourself using the crown, your keyboard has to disappear. No such problem on meta/PCVR/steamvr ecosystem. Hopefully the Apple devs are taking notes, at least for the idea of having a "close-to you" passthrough zone when you turn the crown all the way!
I Steam Xbox games through GamePass on my quest 3 and it's about 90-95% as clear as my Samsung QLED 4k TV. Absolutely fine, but not entirely perfect. It's kind of like the difference between a good TV and like a Hisense or one of those cheap brands. They do the job just not quite as well. Looks better than any projector I've ever seen and you can make the screen huge so it's a trade off
At least the battery is built into the headset and there are 3rd party solutions (like Bobo VR or whatever you use) which nullify the Quest's battery issues.
@@wrongteous that’s my point exactly. I still have to have an external battery. So we cant hate on the Vision Pro for having an external battery. However did you see the speaker bands come off and have locking connectors on VP. I think the will sell a halo battery strap upgrade on the future.
i currently own both. I want to keep the vision pro but it simply isn't worth it at the price point. i went a week with the vision pro and decided i wanted to keep it but wanted to compare the quest. There's a lot of upside to come via OS but having an amazing iphone extension (and best movie watching experience you can buy). I am using my quest for this post using swipe keyboard. I may return both and just wait a couple years for the vision pro 2. Movie experiences on quest just aren't great. The quest is like a 2013 android. vision pro is like an iphone 13 pro
The hand tracking on quest is better than on the vison pro. Tracks your hands faster. Saw another vid where the tracking was lagging behind on the Visio Pro.
I think if the only or biggest metric I use to measure worth is price, the cheapest will always win. We can convince ourselves to accept less because we are paying less. If money were no object, if you had a gazillion dollars which would you choose? Apple users have no problem recognizing that plenty of people would choose the Quest because of its gaming dominance. The problem is ALWAYS how the Android/PC/Meta user will frequently attack Apple user’s intelligence, honestly or independence when choosing Apple.
No matter how good or cheap the Meta stuff is I'm not getting it, even if that's the only one I can afford. I will not pay with my personal data. I'm very much looking forward to Apple making cheaper ones in the future.
Like someone cares about your personal data 😂 You are just another number, absolute nobody like everyone else. I don't understand this dumb overreaction from people like you. No ody cares about you. You will just get personalised advertisment, that's all...
The problem is MetaQuest isn't so much that they can't make a $2000 headset .. but the problem really is ... what will people do with their $2000 headset besides games? Nobody is gonna spend $2000 to play silly games when they can get a high performance PC for $2000 with much better experience. Meta cannot be Spatial computing because they have no ecosystem, no productivity tools, no App Store , iCloud , and all the other perks that comes with Apple Ecosystem. They are DOA when it comes to productivity. VR gaming isn't ready for primetime in the foreseeable future. So what I'm saying is Apple is gonna dominate the Spatial computing future. There are no competitors.
eh? theres tons of productivity apps in the quest ecosystem, and theres 3 massive native app stores (the main one, applab and sidequest) as well as steam VR on PC...ive been using quest for work for 3 years for digital sculpting and cg work. and vr gaming is a lot better and bigger than you think.. saying that, hopefully apple will kick ass with thier platform I would love to see it succeed
@@dan_kitty_vr5107I’m thinking spacial computing will get better with Apple and maybe become cheaper once there is competition in spacial computing. Rn the Quest isn’t competing with spacial computing they want to be a gaming VR headset more than a productivity tool for people to use. Once Apple becomes used to making Vision headsets they will become cheaper for the average person to use. I honestly want Vision Pro but I’m not getting it at that price hopefully resellers sell them at a lower price and not price gouge
There are several things wrong with your statement, basically everything. The Quest is Android OS, so Meta can make it run Android apps if they reach an agreement with Google Play, which will be millions of apps. Meta does have productivity apps already and can do with windows what Vision pro does with the mac, it just does it at a $500 level. iCloud has never been a selling point for windows or android users, i don't know why Meta would need that. Meta cant sell $2000 or $3500 headsets because they don't already have sheep that will buy anything they make. Edit: to explain why they would need an agreement with Google play, it is so that App developers don't have to do extra work.
Wow, what a bunch of silly. Nobody will spend $2000 to play silly games? Apple is going to dominate? Check out Varjo and Pimax. There is a reason apple wants the AVP compared to the Quest, and that's because it's a poor showing against a real headset like the Varjo XR-4. I understand that Apple sheep finally got a VR headset, but you are 10 years too late and they learned nothing from all those who came before.
quest 3 ends up in your closet after 6 months so that makes it worth it? you cannot equate affordability with worthiness.. doesnt mean one product is far cheaper doesn't make it more worth it than a product thats more expensive but you get to use it consistently after six months.. the jury is still out as to whether avp will pass the six month test.. but as far as review goes it most likely is.. its unaffordable yes but is it worth it? ABSOLUTELY!!!
