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Appliance Protection Classes 0, I, II, III 

John Ward
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Protection classes as defined in BS EN 61140, with Class I and Class II (double insulated) being the most common.
Covers all four classes, the protection methods for each one, and considerations when connecting equipment to a fixed wiring installation.
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@markfire1235
@markfire1235 3 года назад
Being an electrician I love all of your videos you remind me of my collage days at Kingston college electrical engineering department 87-91 Many thanks J.W for all your hard work....
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
But do you ever question what you're being told is actually correct ?
@BritishEngineer
@BritishEngineer Месяц назад
An electrician studying electrical engineering for four years?
@ElectroKevDotCom
@ElectroKevDotCom 2 года назад
“Whole lot goes up in a ball of flaming wreckage”. Another classic JW line :) keep up the good work.
@cd7147
@cd7147 Год назад
That had me in stitches 😂
@Xclub40X
@Xclub40X 3 года назад
Equipment classes. For when you need to learn about equipment. JW is our lecturer in class. Pure class JW 👍
@quadrople5541
@quadrople5541 4 месяца назад
The best explanation I have found on protection classes. Thanks sir!
@tlangdon12
@tlangdon12 3 года назад
Great video. Thank you for covering all the classes and providing examples. I didn't realise how kettle elements were configured as a Class 1 device.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
Assume nothing.
@eliotlees6124
@eliotlees6124 3 года назад
Surprisingly I've come across a few examples of class 0 appliances still in use. Usually old table lamps, with either twisted or figure of 8 flex, passing through metallic parts to the lampholder (often brass). They're becoming increasingly uncommon, being at least 50 years old now, but do still turn up. Fairy lights were a rare exception, being permitted to have only basic insulation right up until '89.
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 11 месяцев назад
In Finland class 0 used to be the norm on things like TVs until the mid 70 and in lamps it was used longer. They now are largely obsolete as their plugs do not fit grounded sockets which now are mandatory. It was seen that class 0 is not safe anywhere where ground potential is nearby. Not that people did not pick a knife and cut the plugs in the past.
@tommyhanlon8012
@tommyhanlon8012 3 года назад
Very clear explanation & advice, thanks again J.W.
@stevenraeburn8178
@stevenraeburn8178 2 года назад
I think all your videos are excellent - very informative.
@sawyersanzen-ryujiu-jitsu7125
Hi Sir. Thanks so much for the clarity of your explanations. I'd been banging my head against a wall until I saw this. Genuinely, thank you. Jeff
@michaelcostello6991
@michaelcostello6991 2 года назад
Great technical information as always. Thanks
@bookeyvids
@bookeyvids 4 месяца назад
Such a helpful channel! Thank you!
@kamalhassan183
@kamalhassan183 2 года назад
Thank you for very clear explanation.
@ujoplynar
@ujoplynar 3 месяца назад
thanks, that was very helpfull, clear and informative.
@ShokaLion
@ShokaLion 3 года назад
Old electric clocks, which I believe have been featured before in your videos, would, if I'm understanding correctly, be something still relatively easily accessible (antiques stores and whatnot) that are Class 0. They normally rely on the insulation in the main coil to provide protection, with the movements typically made of metal, and metal components accessible from the back, and front, often, and don't usually include an earth connection. All the ones I''ve got I added a protective earth too, just to be on the safe side.
@zinebzineb3916
@zinebzineb3916 2 года назад
thank you so much. I finally understand it easily
@tinytonymaloney7832
@tinytonymaloney7832 3 года назад
Good vid as usual JW 👌
@jhc_fan
@jhc_fan 3 года назад
Quality content. I love it. ⚡😺
@gavinstapleton7294
@gavinstapleton7294 3 года назад
Very good John thanks for the video had no idea class 0 even existed 👍
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 3 года назад
In Finland class 0 was the norm in dry room equipment until the 70s. In lamps class 0 was sold until the 90s. The problem is that they do not fit into grounded sockets which are in all new homes. It would be very dangerous to have class equipment in any room that has ground potential like grounded equipment. The problem was most acute in the 70s. Almost everyone did some illegal trick to fit for example their TV to a grounded socket. People either cut the plug or made an illegal extension cord. Also if yo use class I on an ungrounded socket it acts as class 0. An example of an illegally modified class 0 plug: 3.bp.blogspot.com/-5r8ISaXrPTY/WhFmIIM3WTI/AAAAAAAANp8/kbOs6HlQoDAsIV6OkyKwQsMHAzfeakJ2gCLcBGAs/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/pistotulpat.JPG
@00djferni
@00djferni 3 года назад
Great video, very interesting. Thanks
@Cablesmith
@Cablesmith 3 года назад
Great video john.
@ld7103
@ld7103 2 месяца назад
Brilliant video
@pivox
@pivox 3 года назад
I still have these ones. I even have one older ones which were originally designed for 120V, and come with only textile insulation. :)
@paulmorrey733
@paulmorrey733 3 года назад
Thanks John
@gerbilmajor
@gerbilmajor 3 года назад
You can get Class 2 items that do have an earth connection where it is required for correct operation - e.g. a ground plane to allow a flourescent tube to start or for EMC compliance purposes. These earth connections are not classed as protective and will have the relavant insulation (double or reinforced) to any other conductor
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
Now I'm aware of these 'classes', I do not recognise them. If something has a connection to mains power and has exposed bare metal, I will earth it. And, by 'exposed', I mean can be touched by a person with pointy tools.
@fluxington
@fluxington 3 года назад
@@millomweb You're exactly the kind of person that shouldn't have anything to do with electricity. You saw the video, you didn't understand what was being said, and you follow your own agenda. Forget the rules, you know best.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
@@fluxington Which is why I've decided anyone with qualifications don't continue inside my house. In here, I'll examine their work and make adjustments accordingly.
@fluxington
@fluxington 3 года назад
@@millomweb Because you know best. And your qualifications are?
@McSynth
@McSynth 3 года назад
Sidebar: When I was a teen, playing bass in a band, our organ player would strip the foil from a nearby cigarette packet, wrap it around the blown amplifier HT fuse and turn it on again. *Shudder*
@NillKitty
@NillKitty 3 года назад
That's not that bad. Most people that bypass fuses do it with a nail or a coin that most certainly will not burn out if shorted. At least the foil would have went before any of the wiring melted. At worst the foil would set alight and be a fire hazard, but much worse can happen because most people bypass the fuse with a conductor that's stronger than the internal wiring.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
I take it the original fuse would take 11.
@seandempsey9396
@seandempsey9396 3 года назад
Hi John Happy New year to you hope you had a great Christmas and Newyear This must be the first video for 2021 Another great video thank as always Thank you look forward to seeing a lot more. The class 0 ie the old type Christmas tree lights the number of times I have seen people with three or four sets of them on one 13A plug then wonder why they have cort fire
@martinwinfield2935
@martinwinfield2935 3 года назад
Class 0 items are still being sold certainly in 2020. We purchased a string of LED Christmas lights. Inside the mystery black box was just a bridge of diodes. The wire is only single insulation. You will still get a shock to ground should you make contact with live. This was sold by Dunhelm.
@stuartmathie3872
@stuartmathie3872 3 года назад
Hi JW, you explain things very well. could you make a video explaining how to Calculate Ipf in a circuit?
@EppingForest304
@EppingForest304 3 года назад
Useful 👍
@zonelocking
@zonelocking 3 года назад
YES! First post! Anyhow, great video John, as per usual.
@mathman0101
@mathman0101 3 года назад
Very well explained. John another detailed pat testing video on a cheapo online light fitting elaborating the maintenance of class ratings would be great. And maybe showing how some installation approaches as you suggested can remove the class two rating.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
I'm not with John. I like stuff well and truly earthed if it has any exposed bare metal parts. I've been like that since finding 240V on a TV aerial connection. I 'found' that voltage while connecting the aerial lead to the TV in the dark and spotting the spark.
@fluxington
@fluxington 3 года назад
@@millomweb John clearly talks about the dangers of having no earth on a class I device, and then explains the dangers of earthing (unnecessary on class II devices) providing a path for fatal fault current if someone is already in contact with another faulty device. This applies to *anything* that's earthed, including taps, sinks, etc, meaning earthing can be a double edged sword. You're talking about coax being live with no evidence of why it was that way, and what that has to do with classes of equipment.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
@@fluxington I understand the issue of a good earth being a risk but it's only a risk with other badly wired equipment. It's unfair to put any blame on earthed equipment for a fault on unearthed equipment. All being well, the both are connected and the earthed will then protect both. Class II I take as 'double-insulated' - and there are many of those that are not double insulated. The badge gets put on erroneously. I don't think old tellies with 2 core wire were even labelled as double insulated - so no lies there ! It was the coax connector on the back of the TV that was live-ish. More recently (early 1990s) I had a belt off a CRT computer monitor - it was completely assembled and the parts of it I was touching was the glass front of the tube and the plastic casing above the tube ! So I was touching two insulators ! (Cleaning the screen and supporting the unit with the other hand.
@fluxington
@fluxington 3 года назад
@@millomweb No-one is 'blaming' earthed equipment.
@user-uk1ji1os3r
@user-uk1ji1os3r 3 года назад
thank you very much I am new in the compliance field and this video helped me a lot!!!
@SeanPearceUK
@SeanPearceUK 3 года назад
Great video. Now I know what all the vlogging electricians are on about "Another class 1 without protective Conductor"...
@Cablesmith
@Cablesmith 3 года назад
Why have you never asked ! 😀 there’s no such thing as a stupid question
@p_mouse8676
@p_mouse8676 3 года назад
Do these classes also apply to secondary voltages? So assuming you have some kind of 12V wall adapter and inside the device it's being converted to a voltage higher than 120Vdc? (Which is also isolated from mains)
@martinwinfield2935
@martinwinfield2935 3 года назад
Some Class 3 devices like Laptop PCs using an external PSU can read 230 V to Earth on the DC side of the PC input plug. Switch mode power supplys are not always isolated from the mains. Try it with your meter.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
Some are faulty. Plug on mine is earthed - so the laptop is earthed - that makes me happy.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 2 года назад
@@millomweb Check that with your meter!
@millomweb
@millomweb 2 года назад
@@johndododoe1411 Congratulations, it's only taken you 7 months to work out how I did it !
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 2 года назад
@@millomweb The mains plug does no necessarily earth the actual laptop.
@Jamal_Tyrone
@Jamal_Tyrone 3 года назад
I think I have a class zero power supply for old ATA HDDs and ATA DVD R-Ws , used these before I got a more up to date USB dock for more modern SATA stuff.
@stewartdahamman
@stewartdahamman 3 года назад
Glad you got sorted for the Sata stuff.
@mikeZL3XD7029
@mikeZL3XD7029 3 года назад
SELV (Safety Extra Low Voltage) is used down here in Australia and New Zealand for things like fans and some types of light fittings that are in installed in bathrooms and toilet rooms. ELV over here is defined as less than 50VAC and less than 32VDC, so a lot of these things run on either 12 or 24V. One aspect of these things I don't particularly agree with, is that you have one of them nasty "wall-wart" plugs, plugged into a socket-outlet in your ceiling void, to power this equipment, where it gets really hot during the summer, they are all made out of black plastic, they have been known to start the odd roof fire.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
What voltage are the output wires relative to ? Let's say the voltage across the wires is 12V What is the voltage on one wire to Earth ? Usually they're not connected - so could be anything - like 240V. So you could have one wire at 240V and the other at 252V and you still have your 12V supply - and either wire could kill you.
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 2 года назад
I think you for those backwards. It would make no sense to have lower limit for DC. In Finland it is 50 VAC and 120 VDC.
@rossthompson1635
@rossthompson1635 3 года назад
Class III - didn't realise the upper range of permitted voltages were quite so high. Where I work we used to have 50V DC battery supplies with open frame distribution busbars - they certainly gave you a nip, not sure I fancy 120V DC.
@mistermartin82
@mistermartin82 3 года назад
I was thinking 120v DC (with no current limiting) could get pretty nasty, I always thought that DC shocks were more dangerous as its more difficult to let go
@arcadia1701e
@arcadia1701e 3 года назад
@@mistermartin82 Opposite is the case, its the AC that makes it impossible to let go.
@mistermartin82
@mistermartin82 3 года назад
@@arcadia1701e I thought that with DC you got one string muscle reaction (to grip) but with AC it’s grip,release,grip,release with the line frequency
@clivebrooks8207
@clivebrooks8207 3 года назад
I used to work in a BT Telex exchange where we had 50V DC for the group selectors and plus and minus 80V DC for signalling. I couldn't feel 50 or 80 volts but would certainly get quite a bite from 160V. The signalling was later change to SCVF, voice frequency tones.
@rossthompson1635
@rossthompson1635 3 года назад
@@clivebrooks8207 Some of my colleagues couldn't feel 50V but I used to hate getting across it. We also had 17Hz ring generators, about 80V - didn't like those either!
@fallingdownalot
@fallingdownalot 3 года назад
Check out JW in his street wear ...All down wiv da kidz
@chillybrit2334
@chillybrit2334 3 года назад
This is not the first time we have seen JW in "sport" gear. Every time this happens I cannot help but think of him as a match official (referee / line man) in some junior league soccer or rugby fixture - I suspect more soccer or hockey due to the branding though. Somehow I can see him sprinting about in the game, peeping the whistle then immediately somehow revealing the complete "Rules Of The Game" from his chest pocket, ring bound, in laminate form, flipping to laminate 1488b to explain how Rule 3437a as Amended by 2021C19 Rule 3437C has been egregiously breached and a penalty spot sanction in required. Who would argue? You should see him when he gets into the long game cricket season - no-one knew a 3 day game could last 10 years, yet it did as a discussion was required after every ball. Please do not change JW, you serve a vital QA role to the industry. Besides, I like your dry humour :D
@exaisle
@exaisle 3 года назад
It's not everybody who can appear on RU-vid displaying their organ in all its glory....
@thefiestaguy8831
@thefiestaguy8831 3 года назад
Don’t be mean about him. He’s working as a PE teacher in a school..... lol.
@bobrose7900
@bobrose7900 3 года назад
A model of clarity John. More on EV installs please.
@Mike_5
@Mike_5 3 года назад
Bet that speaker on the shelf behind you John pumps out some real high power tunes when you finish your videos?
@jwflame
@jwflame 3 года назад
Eltax Studio Pro 350s, 250W RMS continuous, from an EP500 amplifier (2x250W RMS). Speakers were £40 from a local auction years ago.
@stevenraeburn8178
@stevenraeburn8178 2 года назад
Kettle winner :) How do you test a modern kettle?
@Basement-Science
@Basement-Science 3 года назад
It always amazes me that Class 0 still seems to be the standard for appliance cables in the US.
@NillKitty
@NillKitty 3 года назад
Mandated safety seems to diminish inversely to voltage. In the US its a rite of passage for a kid to shock their hand while plugging something in and learning firsthand what 120V feels like. I'm sure we'd be a lot less casual if it hurt twice as much than the brief "ow" we get. I know the shock and fire hazard aspects are unrelated but I feel like Europe's better insulation regime stems from their desire to really *not* want to touch a live wire. If I went to a friends house and was getting tingles from their washing machine chassis, it would probably be a 15 second conversation at most ("oh this baby's got some lose wires to look at") but in Europe you'd probably shut power off to the whole building and wait for a sparky to arrive.
@SproutyPottedPlant
@SproutyPottedPlant 3 года назад
Now try touching EARTH when doing that!
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 2 года назад
@@NillKitty Nah we'd forcefully unplug the device, not the house. After all, we need the ADSL modem and computer to still have power as we search for a sparky or replacement machine.
@Clip7heApex
@Clip7heApex 3 года назад
After watching this video i checked the bum hole widening price of bs en 61140. £130 for about 30 odd pages of bumf on a pdf.
@warrengray610
@warrengray610 3 года назад
Hi John, good video! Just wanted to add something, You would no doubt be aware that dimmers and the like are not considered as effective isolation! this is due to the fact that electronic components such as Triacs can fail and invariably tend to fail short circuit style, light permanently on! a similar thinking should be applied to any low voltage equipment With regards to class III, I say this because I have seen a situation where small low voltage power supply used a capacitor dropper circuit to attain the low voltage directly from the mains with no isolation and the +5 on the output registered mains when measured between earth! Therefore low voltage power supplies should have some sort of galvanic or similar separation! Most all other types can represent a real hazard It's done for cheapness with no regard for safety! Kind regards Warren
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
I've had a conventional lights switch fail permanently on. Currently that bulb holder has a duff bulb in it to keep the spiders out.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 2 года назад
Those components intentionally connect through mains during normal operation and cannot form the safety isolation for class III/SELV. Legitimate adapters include something else to do that, usually a tiny high frequency transformer.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
And, I wonder, how many people have single-insulated wires running through unearthed metal conduit ?
@justinneedham1423
@justinneedham1423 3 года назад
There are two probable"Class 0" products that I've recently come across in UK. First is smart-home WiFi switch beloved of the " middle tier" of geek for smart-home items. These contain a mains power PCB enclosed directly in a single skin plastic housing, no CPC. Popular brand in that regard is 'Sonoff". The other product is 230V LED rope- light for gardens. These are modern equivalent to old Xmas lights. Led's are organized such that enough in series plus the current limiting resistor makes up 230V at the user-cut lengths, typically 2 metre. AFAICT, it's in a single layer plastic clear sausage. The user chops it off, pushes in a dodgy wire pin thing to connect the mains tails to the internal conductors, and installs them in their garden etc. One outlet of this is AFAICT a " LED ropelight" from a seller called Mr Resistor. I believe they also do a genuine neon version called 'filament ropelight". ( Both may carry the "neon" moniker from some sellers, which may be incorrect in the case of the LED version).
@Grizzly01
@Grizzly01 3 года назад
Surely those Sonoff devices are meant to be installed in an enclosure?
@justinneedham1423
@justinneedham1423 3 года назад
@@Grizzly01 Well I would, but not so from on-like geeky youtubers or manufacturers original intent. Saying that, I just went to their website before answering here and it seems they have re-vamped their basic model, and it now bears a double insulated logo, Probably an improvement over the first models then.
@seprishere
@seprishere 3 года назад
I have an IKEA desk lamp which is class III. Also my Christmas lights (which I am leaving up as I haven't had a proper Christmas) are marked class III despite being purely battery powered.
@cezarcatalin1406
@cezarcatalin1406 3 года назад
All battery powered appliances are technically class III
@seprishere
@seprishere 3 года назад
@@cezarcatalin1406 Yes but few are marked. The IKEA desk lamp is mains but with a transformer. The transformer is class II, the rest class III.
@seprishere
@seprishere 3 года назад
@@cezarcatalin1406 Does Class III even apply to battery stuff? After all it is a completely separate "installation" (at least if the batteries are normal AAs or similar). It does correctly apply to the IKEA lamp - the plug/adapter is class II, the rest is class III (and metal!). This particular lamp appears to need 4 volts DC.
@seprishere
@seprishere 3 года назад
I also have a Tesco table lamp which is metal but class II, it's metal so you can touch it to change the level of dimming. (It provides three levels.)
@MrSJT
@MrSJT 3 года назад
@@seprishere the class is based on the construction of the electricity using appliance... batteries provide electricity hence
@sajad459
@sajad459 2 года назад
Talking about the kitchen hood, when you connect cpc to the metal enclosure and fault happens on the other device... . Because of the continuity of cpc both hands will become 230 and no current will pass.
@jwflame
@jwflame 2 года назад
True, but only if you are not in contact with anything else such as the floor, wall or whatever.
@sajad459
@sajad459 2 года назад
@@jwflame In recent years, based on the regs , rebars inside the concrete should be connected to main earth terminal which solves this problem for new buildings.
@2760ade
@2760ade 3 года назад
Where would you ordinarily find the protection class number on an appliance. I have just examined my Laptop PC and its adapter and can find nothing. Also, on the subject of the PC adapter, what about the 240v power lead that i can disconnect from it? The PC should be class 3 but not the adapter surely?
@keithjones8448
@keithjones8448 3 года назад
After do pat testing what do u give out to customers
@dumindabandara3027
@dumindabandara3027 3 года назад
what about max V we can use double instantiation equipment
@MrIAwan
@MrIAwan 2 года назад
A Class I kettle fails earth continuity the first time, but passes when you move the test clip, to a cleaner part of the element. Should I fail the appliance?
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
Class 0 Christmas lights - yep, still going strong ;)
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
@@voltare2amstereo Just for those or for everything ? We have 1 'RCCB' which we can plug in anywhere ;)
@NeedAPlumber
@NeedAPlumber 2 года назад
I know you say earthing a class 2 device creates more danger, but how is this more dangerous than earthing a class 1 device in terms of providing a route to earth? Specifically I’m talking about metal light fitting. I’ve cut the DI connectors off as they were too fiddly, connecting ceiling rose wiring via wagos, and on someone else’s advice earthed the mounting bracket, to make it “class 1”. Is this unsafe? The problem I have are inaccessible ceiling voids and rigid insulation.
@steviecandtheplace2b
@steviecandtheplace2b 3 года назад
I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on the code of practice v5 for inspection & testing (Pat). I hear so much conflicting information from various people so it would be good to hear it from someone who knows what they’re talking about.
@MrSJT
@MrSJT 3 года назад
What are they conflicting about🤔 I'm a sparks and a PAT testers
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
Feel free to ask me. I'm intelligent.
@NillKitty
@NillKitty 3 года назад
"No one makes these any more" > 100% of American x-mas lights exactly as described here. We switched to LED's because $$ but still using the same single insulated full-voltage lead in series with all of the asscoiated problems.
@NillKitty
@NillKitty 3 года назад
Ironically these are the only thing most people own in the US that has a fused plug.
@seprishere
@seprishere 3 года назад
Mine are labelled class 3, and quite expensive to run, running off AA batteries.
@robertneill3057
@robertneill3057 2 года назад
Don't know if running those LED lights through an isolating transformer would be any safer. 110v equipment on building sites are run through an isolating transformer which has a centre tapped secondary winding. This centre tap is connected to ground/earth. This will necessarily make the use of double pole breaker as an overcurrent protective device on the transformer's output.
@Yashiro1031
@Yashiro1031 9 месяцев назад
Hi John. Is there any risk In placing a class I and class II together? I tried searching the code but it doesn’t seem to mention on this.
@gillywild
@gillywild 3 года назад
Hi John, You say buy from reputable suppliers but I find low voltage adapters supplied with almost everything these days are a nightmare. They are often not marked with a class at all and may have an earth attached which may or may not be led through to the ground side of the dc output. If you investigate the definition of touchable conductive parts, the outer of a barrel jack can fall within the scope making this a class I device. Often the earth is intended as a "functional" earth used for esd compliance but how would you know? Also even if the device is marked class II if it has an earth connected and it is passed to the output this might mean it cannot be treated as class II and the attached appliance may also become class I even though it has no mains connection. I have seen appliances from very major manufacturers that have a metal casing connected to a separate earth pin brought through from the dc power supply specifically to earth the casing. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
My laptop IS earthed.
@Nic7320
@Nic7320 2 года назад
If they were marked, it would be in Chinese!
@paulgorman8097
@paulgorman8097 Год назад
Are electric showers double insulated and 2nd, how would you suggest earthing/ protecting ac appliances on on a yacht? Thank you.
@jwflame
@jwflame Год назад
No, they are class I and therefore must have an earth connection. The metal parts are the outer casing of the heating element and in some showers the water and element are inside a metal can. Earthing on a yacht is the same principles as anywhere else, the earth connection is at the energy source which would be a generator or inverter. However such installations are not covered by BS7671.
@intotheblue50
@intotheblue50 3 года назад
I may have ruined a lovely mains table lamp! This eBay lamp, shallow round metal base, narrow chromed metal upright teeing out to ceramic led sockets was not earthed. But all through was run in its own sheath and an extra silicone sheath. I thought it had to be earthed but it looks like you are saying it could still be Class II, is that so?
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 2 года назад
Silicone sheath would be the second insulation.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
2:11 "Installation" - a tip of the slung !
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
5:23 So what class is it where you have exposed live parts inside a metal case that's not earthed - like a Sony EVS800 for example ? 10 p in the right ventilation slot should complete the live connection to the unearthed casing. I'm not sure I rewired both of mine with 3 core cable, but I certainly did one as well as a Panasonic video mixer with exposed metal parts. Which interesting was internally fitted with a marked terminal on the PCB for earthing but fitted with a 2 core cable.
@Grizzly01
@Grizzly01 3 года назад
Items like that, if they bear the class II construction mark, will be using the layer of air inside as insulation, which is only applicable if the case is intact. The standard allows for it, but it does smack of a cost saving measure.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
@@Grizzly01 'case is intact' - yeah, but holey ! With a freshly sharpened coat hanger, you could make contact with live terminals with case in place. I have similar thoughts about (belt) guards with holes or gaps in hidden places that are big enough to get a finger through and in danger.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 2 года назад
@@millomweb Definitely need to read up on IP ratings. First digit deals with these dangers.
@Muhammadumer-ih8dp
@Muhammadumer-ih8dp Месяц назад
Sir what is bond test in fluk pat tester
@pqrstzxerty1296
@pqrstzxerty1296 3 года назад
How about Class Special.... ? CRT Monitors - no Earth due to they have a virtual Earth, but they are not a Class 2. ( for PAT testing you have to do a altered Class 1 test ). Some test and measurement equipment (non consumer). Zero Earth areas as defined in RTEEB (CRT and HV SMPSU) repair areas. Semi conductor prodution lines, ie Timex and Casio put 50Vdc throu the staff, ie virtual earth set to 50V not zero V ( E ground ) set at 50V to stop static, Class 3 at 50V was beacuse of BT Engineers didn't need a IEE licence, and a BT Telco one would do.
@chompchompnomnom4256
@chompchompnomnom4256 3 года назад
Why are metal table / floor lamps Class II when the mains wire goes up the metal stand with only the PVC wire insulation? I can never understand that?!
@Grizzly01
@Grizzly01 3 года назад
The PVC insulation is most likely double layered, hence satisfying the double insulation requirements.
@chompchompnomnom4256
@chompchompnomnom4256 3 года назад
@@Grizzly01 I didn't think I that the standard mains flex PVC outer sleeve counted as double insulation to be honest but thanks for the info.
@narasimhareddy4655
@narasimhareddy4655 3 года назад
If we use ELCB in a circuit, we need equipment earthing ? Because it will trip the relay and the circuit breaker too right ? If there is any difference in incoming and out going current / voltage in the circuit. Please explain me sir !
@jwflame
@jwflame 3 года назад
Class I equipment always needs an earth connection. ELCBs are for additional protection, and can't be used as the only means of protection - if you rely on ELCB only, people will have to get a shock before the device disconnects.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
@@jwflame They may not get a 'shock' but will have to pass 30mA.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
ELCB is good to have on unearthed items - then if the person using the item forms a circuit between live and say a sink, the ELCB will cut the power. The person is the earth lead :)
@michealtran3636
@michealtran3636 10 месяцев назад
Thank you for your video very helpful
@ayehtoo9608
@ayehtoo9608 2 года назад
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@PearsallEu
@PearsallEu Месяц назад
Aldi still sell this style
@ahemednor5201
@ahemednor5201 2 года назад
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@electrichaidar7841
@electrichaidar7841 3 года назад
Hello brother can you make the ATS video with the caption........... Follow you from Iraq with a lot of thanks
@bishops9936
@bishops9936 2 года назад
I have an old all-metal sewing machine that is not earthed (class 0???) Is it possible to test this?
@30mAkills
@30mAkills 2 месяца назад
My suggestion: Check continuity between the motor body and sewing machine frame. If there's continuity it's not safe. Mount the motor on an wooden board and see the fasteners are not in contact with the machine frame.
@James_Bowie
@James_Bowie 3 года назад
Another example of Class 0: media.springernature.com/m685/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41557-018-0145-1/MediaObjects/41557_2018_145_Figa_HTML.png
@pqrstzxerty1296
@pqrstzxerty1296 3 года назад
Alot of USB plug chargers fail PAT just on inspection as they have no class 2 markings and class 1 test would fail as no metal. The rule is no Class 1 2 3 4 marking then regardless of what you think the class should be, you treat it as a class one and test as a class one, which more than likely will fail, due to you can not get the earth test probe on to any metal, or the metal is not earthed as it is a class two inside with a additional metal covering. Also metal hand tools, ie old drills, hair dryers and curlers are banned ( fail a PAT automactically ) regardless if they are class 1 and pass a class 1 test. They are lots of odd rules for class 1 2 3 4 I have also come across a class two with Earth (which can be allowed) and a HV DC with Earth which you treat as Class one. Seaward PAT testers has special settings for these in the top models. Again these old Classes are not consumer, but found in Manufactuering, Mining, EX areas, Medical, other test and measurement labs and even some EFTpos.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 2 года назад
You sound like you were mistrained to be an unreasonable bastard, misapplying misunderstood rules. Because whomever trained you told you those misunderstandings.
@jamhuman2499
@jamhuman2499 3 года назад
Would a 240 watt hair dryer fit in a shaver socket ?
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 3 года назад
The saver sockets are limited to 1 A. Hair dryers take some 5 A or more.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
@@okaro6595 It'd have to be a microscopic hair dryer and you'd need 2 of them to insert simultaneously ;)
@RobertWood042
@RobertWood042 3 года назад
I'm intrigued by the concept of not connecting the outer shell of a class II device to electrical earth. Is this not the opposite of bonding the 'gas earth', 'water earth' and electrical earth together?
@mabbee66
@mabbee66 3 года назад
That was my thought too...it is the whole point of an equipotential zone.
@jwflame
@jwflame 3 года назад
Water and gas are bonded to the main earth terminal because they are already at earth potential (due to being buried in the Earth), and it's desirable to ensure that they and other conductive parts remain at the same potential when a fault occurs. Conductive items that are not connected to anything else, have no potential and are not forming part of an enclosure for single insulated conductors are better left that way, as connecting them will make them have a certain potential, and increases the risk of shock between them and some other item. Bonding items that have a potential or could have under fault conditions is necessary to reduce the risk of electric shock. Things that have no potential and are properly insulated from things that could provide a potential have no risk of electric shock to start with, so bonding those makes the situation worse.
@mathman0101
@mathman0101 3 года назад
@@jwflame well done it’s an area with so much confusion.
@mabbee66
@mabbee66 3 года назад
Thanks for the reply. I have often wondered if all the metal work associated with my (manually operated) garage door should be earth bonded. Looks like I now have the answer...it shouldn't.
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 3 года назад
The outer shell is in most cases plastic so it would make no sense to connect it to the earth.
@michaelmaina8997
@michaelmaina8997 3 года назад
Are the 240v led strip lights classified as class 0?
@jwflame
@jwflame 3 года назад
They should be class II, with 2 layers of insulation over live parts. However anything is possible when obtaining items from dubious vendors.
@cezarcatalin1406
@cezarcatalin1406 3 года назад
John Ward Some newer expensive outdoor lights are class 2 up to the control box and class 0 from the control box onwards - BUT with the weird specification that they also include current limiting circuits and some funny differential protection in the control box itself that uses a tiny relay to stop faults to ground. The relay is the default open type and the circuit trips it at about one milliamp DC. Edit: the insulation is some black rubber and it seems to be thicker than what is found in indoor christmas lights. It could be all just a class 2, though I doubt they actually bothered to use double insulated wires and put double-insulation on each individual light. It’s still better than those who legally hide behind something like “it’s double-insulated cause it has a layer of plastic and a layer of air”.
@mernok2001
@mernok2001 3 года назад
It can also be''class -1''.Lower than class 0,you can touch live parts.
@andypidsley2688
@andypidsley2688 2 года назад
If cooker hoods housing may not be earthed then why do we bond the sink which isn’t even an appliance?
@jwflame
@jwflame 2 года назад
Sinks do not need bonding.
@MrFlint51
@MrFlint51 3 года назад
The power brick for my laptop has a 3 conductor mains cable connected by a sort of Kettle connector, but with a rounded body. The earth pin of the plug is connected to the "kettle plug" but there is no way of telling whether earth is connected inside the brick.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
The output lead to the laptop should be earthed. I presume the brick powers the laptop via a wire rather than magnetism (contactless charging)?
@MrFlint51
@MrFlint51 3 года назад
@@millomweb Both the +ve and -ve on the laptop barrel jack have about 100kohms resistance to the mains earth pin, so no earth connection to the laptop.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
@@MrFlint51 No resistance on the outer part of the plug on mine to mains earth.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
@@MrFlint51 I got 40k resistance between Earth and a USB port on the laptop.
@Grizzly01
@Grizzly01 3 года назад
@@millomweb Not always. Some brands bring the earth connection through to the dc output barrel, some don't. For example, Dell quite often do, but HP don't, in my experience.
@Ned47628
@Ned47628 3 года назад
What class is an electrode boiler?
@jwflame
@jwflame 3 года назад
Depends on it's construction, could be class I or II. The electrodes and the water they are in would be contained within some outer vessel, which could be metal or plastic.
@mernok2001
@mernok2001 3 года назад
Its a class -1,because it intentionally make the water live and touchable.
@abdullahalazemi738
@abdullahalazemi738 3 года назад
50V AC or 120V DC. I know it’s 50V AC safe but how about 120V DC?! Is it safe too?
@abdullahalazemi738
@abdullahalazemi738 3 года назад
Up to..
@dqj999
@dqj999 3 года назад
What Class are Electric Toasters? They should be Class -1 as they have exposed conductors with no insulation. You can touch the live parts with your finger.
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 3 года назад
Class I. British are disadvantaged in that as the plug does not tell the class. In most other countries the plug immediately tells the class.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
@@okaro6595 Ditto radiant fires.
@Grizzly01
@Grizzly01 3 года назад
@@okaro6595 Unless you have a moulded plug fitted to the equipment, with an ISOD rather than an earth pin. Then it's straightforward to tell the class =)
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 2 года назад
@@Grizzly01 In Finland class 0, I and II have all different plugs. Class 0 plugs fit only ungrouded sockets. It would be dangerous if yoụ touched a failed class 0 equipment and a grounded one at the same time.
@ursodermatt8809
@ursodermatt8809 3 года назад
none of my low voltage adapters show that class III symbol.
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 3 года назад
The adapters are class I or II, it is only after the adapter that it is class III.
@bsitester4940
@bsitester4940 3 года назад
Sorry john your not quite correct, BS EN 60598 for lighting DOES allow for earth pass through on a class II device as long as the earth does not terminate or have a connection to driver/control gear - Therefore 3 core with earth wire could run into a class II luminaire and back out ! So not totally accurate to say all class II devices have no earth connection... some will have dumb terminals that just provide a loop in-loop out terminal separate as i said from driver or control gear. Also there is definition of "Functional" earth rather than "Protective" earth allowed for class II which is allowed earth connection on class II devices for EMC or screening purposes which is marked with a different symbol or "FE" and NOT relied upon for safety. Did you know also there used to be a class OI ?
@Xclub40X
@Xclub40X 3 года назад
2:00 live conductor in class?? What??? Is this a music lesson??
@Xclub40X
@Xclub40X 3 года назад
I wonder what JW eats for his dinner scAMPi and fries Another ReVOLTing joke from me 😂
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
Not off a metal plate, obviously.
@davidgoddard5360
@davidgoddard5360 3 года назад
How Odd. To buy BS EN 61140 from BSI costs £260. To buy DIN
@seprishere
@seprishere 3 года назад
Yes. These things are very expensive. One option in normal times is to go to the British Library and read it there, maybe some university and public libraries have it too.
@jeremylister89
@jeremylister89 3 года назад
It causes problems and pain when you mix classes. Class 2 TV and Class 1 PC. Made the mistake of connecting these together with a 'leading signal' phono plug. It blew up an ic in the TV due to float voltage. The pain? The repair man took out the 16 pin ic put it on my carpet then later knelt on it putting a neat row of 16 bloody holes in his knee. Despise class 2. This is due to float voltage and ADDITIVE leakage current 'tingle'..which can actually become dangerous if you connect enough class 2 devices together. Shouldn't be allowed.
@Tangobaldy
@Tangobaldy 3 года назад
I miss the entertaining videos. Was nice while it lasted. I'm sure plenty like the educational slant now rather than the comedy and quips.
@TheEmbeddedHobbyist
@TheEmbeddedHobbyist 3 года назад
Interesting what class would you put an electric toaster in. Without grandfather rights you would never be able to buy one today. Live conductors that can be touched with no trouble at all fail all known standards today. It’s in a class of it’s own.
@mernok2001
@mernok2001 3 года назад
Class -1. But if someone is idiot enough to put a knif in,he deserves to get shocked.If he survives,he probably wont do it again,if he dies,its just proof that natural selection works.
@TheEmbeddedHobbyist
@TheEmbeddedHobbyist 3 года назад
@@mernok2001 Just goes to show that by its very design a toaster will not meet any EU CE safety standard in force today
@mernok2001
@mernok2001 3 года назад
@@TheEmbeddedHobbyist Those standard are for idiots.Did you hear about 'suicide'showers used in South America?Brazilians say they take 2 or 3 showers every day but never heard of anyone who got electrocuted.
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 3 года назад
@@mernok2001 Toasters cut the power on both sides when the tray is up, at least mine does.
@mernok2001
@mernok2001 3 года назад
@@okaro6595 Yes,but if someone is idiot egough,he can put a knife in it when its on.But as I said,if somefone does that,he deserves to get zapped.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
I'd totally ignore JW's advice about things not being earthed. If there are any exposed metal parts on a piece of equipment connected to mains power, I'd say get it earthed. You generally find exposed metal parts on connectors for microphones, video leads audio leads etc. My very plastic laptop is earthed - by the manufacturer of the power brick.
@Grizzly01
@Grizzly01 3 года назад
Then again, you may cause unforeseen problems by randomly earthing bits that have been designed not to be earthed. Especially in audio visual equipment.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
@@Grizzly01 Audio connectors do not dictate what equipment is connected and whether that provides a path to mains earth. Audio equipment connected to this laptop will be earthed whether it likes it or not. In one of the items I earthed, I connected the earth lead to a PCB at a point marked on the board as an earth point ! Similarly, audio equipment may be connected to a live connector on other equipment - and that's precisely why I've added earthing. A metal clad double insulated VCR connected to a TV Aerial socket at 240V is not a good situation.
@Grizzly01
@Grizzly01 3 года назад
@@millomweb Fucks sake, if you've got an aerial socket at 240V, you've got more to worry about than some poxy earthing on your VCR 😂😂
@finnw1
@finnw1 3 года назад
03:52 did JW just misuse the word "exponentially"? Disgraceful
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 2 года назад
The cascading failure may cause current to grow exponentially with time, but the curve need to be plotted and studied to determine if it's exponential or hyperbolic.
@DjResR
@DjResR 3 года назад
So cheap chinese LED christmas lights are class 0?_
@bdf2718
@bdf2718 3 года назад
Usually they are class -1. Too dangerous to use.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
17:00 Talking outta your arse John. My laptops are earthed - I get 'mild' continuity between USB ports on 2 laptops only connected to the mains. The outer pin of the power brick plug IS earthed - so the laptop is connected to earth - so I guess it's a class I device.
@Grizzly01
@Grizzly01 3 года назад
It does sound like you have some knowledge of the subject, but not quite enough to know when you're talking out of your arse. Look up Class III construction, and you'll see what it says about earthing. And then you'll realise that your laptop isn't actually a class III appliance, as the power supply isn't SELV.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
17:30 Talking bullshit - it doesn't matter if the item runs at 5 Volts or not. All that states is the pd of the connectors is 5V - so they could be 235V and 240V - they will work fine and possibly kill you. I installed 3 LV bathroom lights for a friend. The colour codes I used for the LV wiring was brown and green/yellow. The green/yellow being earthed and the brown being 12V above that. So, despite being LV, they were still earthed. So, even if the transformer had a complete meltdown, it would not be possible to get an electrical shock from the earthed side of the bulbs.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
13:00 TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU ABOUT NOT EARTHING SAY A METAL COOKER HOOD. The reason you give is total nonsense considering most other metal surfaces in the kitchen will be connected to earth - sink and all appliances etc. So I'd recommend connecting any bare metal to electrical earth. You know, like is recommended with heating radiators - LOL
@Grizzly01
@Grizzly01 3 года назад
You are getting into the realm of the difference between earthing and bonding. There is the potential to make something more dangerous by bonding it when it doesn't need to be.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
@@Grizzly01 That's why it should be earthed, not bonded !
@sajad459
@sajad459 2 года назад
True, connecting every metal part in building to ground is always good and the more is the better
@johnhoward2104
@johnhoward2104 3 года назад
Glad you mentioned at the end about class 2 light fittings, with the small terminal block and sleeving, which should be wired with, for example, a flex into a JB in the ceiling, rather than using connectors in the base. I've declined installing them when there's no chance of getting the JB into the ceiling (because e.g. can't cut a trap because there's fitted carpet on floor above, or the base isn't large enough to cover the size of needed hole in the ceiling below). But dread to think how some have then connected them, either at customers insistence or as take the money and run - probably, as you say, just using connectors.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 2 года назад
A common solution is the plastic cone between ceiling and flex. These are large enough to house the connector, but are really only certified as a cosmetic cover for ugly attachments such as a rusty hook carrying the weight of the lamp through the outer sheath of the flex.
@justinfarquhar8299
@justinfarquhar8299 Год назад
A mini junction box would be pretty handy in this situation
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