AR-15 Magazine Torture Test: Part 1

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In this video, we test various AR-15 magazines for function in order to find the top contenders for an upcoming magazine torture test. The magazines tested include many new production mags as well as some that are more obscure or simply older patterns. All of these magazines are available on the market in some form or another, and common street prices are provided in the video.
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@davetyson8560 8 лет назад

Boy Eric you are one brave man for putting the arm brace to your shoulder right on youtube.

@njw1977 8 лет назад

the video was made before the ruling. look at the date and use common sense.

@EvendimataE 7 лет назад

i agree 1 million times

@David-ed5is 7 лет назад

i was going to say

@Mrgunsngear 10 лет назад

Looking forward to the follow up---good stuff.

@skylarscaling 10 лет назад

Oh, the irony of the people in the comments blaming the weapon for the reliability of the magazines. I'd rather have Magpul or Troy magazines that will work flawlessly in ANY rifle than a magazines that only work in an off-the-shelf rifle. Isn't the whole point of a test like this to show how the magazines work under BAD conditions? Not in some brand new, $2000 Colt off the shelf? Geez. Way to miss the point internet commandos.

@InfiniteGrim 10 лет назад

lol

@luderudecrude 10 лет назад

You could say the same thing about the weapon, it should be able to run with any mag in it and not need a top self magazine.

@jdbcool101 10 лет назад

dude you're getting robbed if you're paying 2k for a colt. I see them from 680 to about 1200.

@skylarscaling 10 лет назад

jdbcool101 I think you kinda missed the point I was making...

@jdbcool101 10 лет назад

Maybe next time use more accurate info. I'm just saying.

@usarmyprepper 8 лет назад

i would definitely like to see this done again with a daniel defense, bcm, noveske or another known to be in spec ar15.

@farmninja6653 8 лет назад

Also PSA or Colt

@crazyfvck 7 лет назад

+that 11b guy Doesn't make a difference.. These mags should work without issue in ANY AR. If they can't do that, then they are worthless. And if you had watched the second video, you would know that he took the failed mags and tried to run them through several other AR's.. They all had the same issues.

@intuitivefugitive8852 8 месяцев назад

@@crazyfvckso it’s the magazine… plain & simple… Daniel defense 32 rounds next for testing… I think I’m switching to metal GI mags 😢

@FateofDestinee 10 лет назад

I love an excuse to burn through a whole lot of ammo ;D

@behemothsuperknife 10 лет назад

Sure I always call it "training" to justify the expenditure in my mind.

@Taylormade1717 7 лет назад

FateofDestinee you rock girl!!!!!

@jkethsnke3640 6 лет назад

FateofDestinee I’m in love

@thepatermagnus 10 лет назад

Something to consider for your next test: when inserting the mag- tap it the same # of times, do not hit foreward assist (sometimes you did and sometimes you did not), try to fire the same "sequence" with each mag...for example: 10 slow shots then empty the mag (or whatever sequence you choose). Being consistent across mags would be more "scientific" Overall a worthwhile video.

@saltypopcorn3120 7 лет назад

take a shot every time eric says failure to feed

@2is.senseiiii638 6 лет назад

Salty Popcorn take a shot every time he pulls the trigger

@sumbinge 3 года назад

I had never heard of dolos before so it blew my mind when Eric just twisted the whole thing off. Like I thought it was just a cool handguard.

@j.robertbragg4015 6 лет назад

Loved the video, right up until the point that you dismissed the GI aluminum magazines from entering the torture test. Even a Colt, Okay, or D&H Industries aluminum magazines w/ MagPul Followers are extremely reliable, and deserved to be extreme tested.

@hughstewart3244 10 лет назад

For the finale test I would like to see it done using a standard rifle. By that I mean something that is used by the vast majority of shooters. A pistol is fine it looks cool but to have a fair and reasonably balanced view, I think all the mags should be tested through a standard rifle. It's what most shooter will own.

@Iraqveteran8888 10 лет назад

We are going to use several rifles for the final test. Bear in mind that this is only one run with one rifle, so it can't be a definitive answer. However, if a magazine is made to run in an AR platform, it should work in any AR. All these people saying "well you didn't use an actual M4" confuse me, because an AR is just adult Legos. As long as all your parts are well made and assembled correctly, it doesn't matter...lol.

@Clutch_Kick187 10 лет назад

***** Wow you sure brought out the tacticool internet commandos on this comment section.. You will never make these guys happy, no matter what rifle you choose, nor how many sample mags you test.. hope you continue with the part2.. and ignore the fools..

@roach182008 10 лет назад

***** yea you are right if they ar ment for an Ar platform then they should work.

@swtorPaladin 10 лет назад

***** Adult legos!!!!!! :D

@freeze1305 10 лет назад

The dolos hand-guard needs to be redesigned, it heats up FAST in every test i've watched.

@alexrex20 10 лет назад

Yep, and it looks like it caused all the failures to feed, which Eric unfairly blamed on the mags. Terrible test.

@heroux684343 10 лет назад

alexrex20 A malfunction with the gas system would have had a consistant pattern of failures, not just with the crap mags that others have deemed as crap. If a magazine gives too much resistance under low gas issues it would possibly give more under dirty environments...

@heroux684343 10 лет назад

alexrex20 also what does low gas issues have to do with failure to feed? If the bolt has already come back far enough to attempt to strip the round then it's all the mag...

@shananagans5 10 лет назад

Is it worse than other aluminium hand guards? Honestly, I am not a big fan of any aluminium free floated forends on a carbine. It doesn't help accuracy enough to be an issue in a carbine & they all seem to get hot pretty fast. I do like the idea of the quick detach though. I am waiting to see how they work after a while. I will deal with the heat if they get glowing reviews. If not, I will just keep my plastic hand guards on my carbine. My free floated full length rifles don't get shot fast enough for heat to become an issue.

@TheBrackishCoast 10 лет назад

Its more the gas system than the hand guard. It's shorter, so it's hotter than a longer system would be and it has a booster to increase the gas pressure attached to the muzzle. Then you're covering barrel, the gas tube, gas block and the chamber area with a single hand, with no room for ventilation. It's the nature of the beast. A VFG is the only good way to get around it and you can't legally install one on a "pistol". With a longer system you will typically just be gripping a area over the barrel and (a cooler) gas tube that has been well ventilated. Big difference in heat soaking after running several mags.

@TacticalRoll 10 лет назад

You've done the Lancer mag a great disservice :(

@bladespec 4 года назад

Looks like the lancer did him a great disservice which is strange because everywhere I look lancers seem to be highly recommended. Either way, all magazines have malfunctions every once in a while I seem to have pretty good luck with gen 2 and 3 pmags and adventure line/ okay industry GI style mags with mag pul anti tilts

@VeritasEtAequitas 3 года назад

Should have used at least 2 of each.

@BlakeGriffith 2 года назад

Lancer mags are the best on the market IMO. He had multiple failures with the dual SIG mag but still acted like it was “okay”.

@Nolimitation1 2 года назад

I know this is an old comment but I have 6 lancer mags and have the same feeding issues as IV8888. My p mags and usgi work just fine.

@Dirtywhtboy87930 11 месяцев назад

@@bladespecI have 40 L5AWM Lancer mags that I use the shit out of. No issues for me, even with the binary trigger.

@augusttirone9234 10 лет назад

Hey Erik, I have been watching your videos for a couple of years and really enjoy your stuff. I found this video very informative, but was wondering if the gun could have been causing some of the feed problems? Anyway, can't wait for the torture test!! :)

@mattcaldwel8610 6 лет назад

That "quick release" is a death trap, i can see me getting into an awkword position and firing my entire barel at the enemy.

@Privat3Kag3 10 лет назад

I am Genuinely Surprised in the L5AWM Issues ya had. I've never had, nor heard of any within my circles. But again, Everyone's got their data points! Ya'll keep on Truckin', Screw the Haters! \m/

@BulletSpoung 8 лет назад

Hillary called,.........................................She wants her glasses back.

@darthstewie76 7 лет назад

lol

@InfiniteGrim 10 лет назад

So you are comparing a bunch of magazines that all have huge variations in how much they have been used/abused. Plus using an unproven new upper receiver with many non standard parts. This video had promise, but I'm saddened by the planning/execution

@InfiniteGrim 10 лет назад

On top of my comment.... I have never seen so many issues with magazines which is why I believe you need to use a standard AR, and new magazines.

@CoalSlaw1320 10 лет назад

InfiniteGrim Not to mention that he completely threw away BOTH of the "CAA" mags because ONE failed to feed, the other worked flawlessly. Plus he fucking threw half the mags to the side, and praised the other half based on compatibility. He constantly slams on the gun when he doesn't need: to pulling the bolt back as hard as he can which is unnecessary, as well as slamming on the bolt release.

@CSRevenant 10 лет назад

Hit it on the head. 87 times less scientific than many other tests.

@unintelligentthoughtofanun9416 10 лет назад

then how about y'all go out and do your own test and stop bitching on the internet

@ClockCutter 10 лет назад

Texas VIKING It's fine to suggest people go out and do their own testing. Doesn't make sense to say if they haven't they can't challenge or criticize a test.

@GrOuNdZeRo7777 10 лет назад

The majority of my AR mags are Magpuls, They are available and plentiful in my area, Good to know the Hexmags worked for you since I was considering them at some point, I also use GI mags and works well for me most of the time, The only mag I had issues with was some odd 19 round version, It didn't fit well and didn't drop freely and the feeding was unreliable.

@GPgundude 10 лет назад

Awesome video ! Looking forward to the torture part ! Barry is smiling down at you. Keep up the good work ! !

@jimeckenrode1271 7 лет назад

I bought two IMI 30 rnd mags for about $6.00 each and they have worked flawlessly. I have not put many rounds thru them so I don't know how long they will hold up. They worked far better than I expected. Liked the video a lot.

@XtremeConditions 10 лет назад

So first of all, fantastic video. As always! But I wonder... For a very long time, Eric has introduced himself as "Eric from Moss Pawn & Gun". I kind of wonder, percentage wise, how much Mr. Moss' business has increased since he's started doing that. :) Anyway... Looking forward to part 2!

@bernardobestard1834 10 лет назад

Completely agree on the P-Mags and Troy I own several of each and never a problem. I also own five Lancers and they have never given me any problems. Very good video.

@MrLembnau 10 лет назад

i agree with a lot of people, you should use a proven AR and not a frankengun

@Iraqveteran8888 10 лет назад

Do you guys thing that I would actually be dumb enough to use a gun I haven't ran a lot? I've put almost 600 rounds through this system using p mags as a control and not one single malfunction.

@anthonyclark9159 10 лет назад

***** yeah but you said yourself you used the sig mags before with no problems, I and others I shoot with have run the caa mags with no problems, and military arms channel has done vids with the lancer mags, no issues. Not all guns are exactly the same either, so they might run just fine in a standard ar, might not even fit properly in a proprietary lower. I have a mag tactical lower on one of my ar15s and it is no where near mil-spec anything. I'm sure you will get some good info from the testing, but you shouldn't be calling any of them junk just cause they didn't run in your non standard ar perfectly, especially since the caa window mag ran just fine.

@alexrex20 10 лет назад

***** Yes, I do.

@stimproid 10 лет назад

alexrex20 Go troll somewhere else dolostroll.

@deplorabledave1048 8 лет назад

I Have to agree with MrLembnau. I am a HUGE fan of this channel and can honestly say I have never seen a test that I disagreed with. However, this test is significantly flawed. He should have used an out of the box Colt or BCM or even an M&P AR-15. He did have a Frankengun. I had to stop watching this video.

@tacdad 10 лет назад

I noticed you where using Gen 3 PMAG please specify in next video for those who where not sure (or new to shooting). Please consider doing some of the following for torture tests. Loading 30 rounds with closed bolt (some people say you can only load 28 with closed bolt but I think that only applies to GI mags). Drop mag on hard ground after shooting and reuse. Roll over with a truck (empty or full or both) , and reuse. Shoot a round through the actual shell of the magazine and try to use.

@Vargas3499 8 лет назад

Always stick with my trusty 40 Round pmags

@StryderK Год назад

My favorite mags are Pmag Gen 3 and Lancer AWM. I’m slowly building up these two for my AR’s. The other one I highly recommend are UTG mags. For less than $10, these are super reliable and rugged, may not be as rugged as Pmags or Lancers but rugged enough that you can use them outdoors, drop them and kick them no problem. Highly recommended if you wanna save your Pmags or Lancers.

@ChefAlexSocci 7 лет назад

BUT NUTNFANCY TOLD ME THE LANCERS WERE THE BEST!!!!!!!!!

@Toxie2725 7 лет назад

Well he only loaded them with 30...so...

@ASMR-soothingsounds 10 лет назад

You are having waaay to much fun! That grin you had on your face when you started to talk about the X-15 mag was priceless!

@Hobberhawk 8 лет назад

I wish you had included Amend2 magazines. I love the brand and they're available for $8-15 regularly

@TheBamidd 10 лет назад

Folks I'm pretty sure he, as a gunsmith, is plenty capable of putting together an AR-15 build that functions reliable, and if it didn't, he would fix it or use a different carbine for the test sequence. Take the video for what it's worth, some ARs depending on the manufacturer will like different types of magazines or refuse some altogether. Either way, great video Erik.

@austincutty4548 8 лет назад

"P-mags P-mags P-mags" - Chad

@WD-hd1vw 6 лет назад

austin cutty p-mags

@MrCsheller 10 лет назад

Long time viewer, first time commenter here: I think you're going to have a lot 3rd variable options using used magazines as I'm guessing these are from personal stock. One could stake defense in a mag based on the age and health of a spring, or housing causing issues that a NIB mag would not share. In the torture test, I think it would be most equal to use NIB mags and the same factory ammo (lot too if able) for the most reliable results.

@lukepippin4781 7 лет назад

I suppose there wasn't much point in testing gi mags lol. They pretty much just work.

@lukepippin4781 7 лет назад

lol never mind.

@supermoon1430 4 года назад

why are you suppressing food from the public the same could be said for the AR platform small tweaks here and there as things advance and are tested

@SirLooch 10 лет назад

Eric the fact that you respond to some comments is amazing due to the amount of stupid comments you have to sift through. Keep it up good video.

@maximilianlindner 7 лет назад

Clipazine test

@TehDeejus 10 лет назад

I havn't had reliability issue on the CAA mags but I agree loading them is way too irritating. When putting the in the round, the one under it tends to creep forward and catches the top of the lip and prevents you from putting the next round in until you slide it back to the back. So you basically have to have it where it is tilted slightly back while loading.

@saltypopcorn3120 7 лет назад

someone should make a remix of eric saying failure to feed

@MixBetterNowTV Год назад

Very surprised the Lancer’s took a dump. From my experience, the Lancer L5 AWM’s are THE BEST mags I’ve ever used/ran in 5.56 NATO/.223 Wylde chambering’s followed by Okay Surefeed’s & PMags. 1) Lancer L5-AWM’s 2) Okay Surefeed’s (the C-Products Duramag’s are great too) 3) PMags (Gen 2 & 3 have ran equally well) Everyone’s experiences will surely be different depending on many factors. But those are the 3 brands of mags I trust most if my life was on the line. Also interesting that the military just “officially adopted the P-Mag” to replace/phase out the aluminum USGI’s. There’s lots of interesting info on the topic out there (the torture testing, the pre-requirements, the finalists, etc). Bottom line is I love IV8888’s torture test & meltdown vids. Eric & Chad have a significantly higher firearm IQ to most other testers which is why I always value these vids 👊🏼🗽🫡🇺🇸⚔️ - Pete

@fujimo70 10 лет назад

I noticed you tend to keep tightening the dolos. Is that out of caution or does it come loose after so many rounds?

@Iraqveteran8888 10 лет назад

Just a precaution... :D

@OpTicBossaru 10 лет назад

***** Can you see yourself accidentally twisting that thing off if you were running it hard, or does the handguard lock in pretty well?

@1awrenceofarabia 10 лет назад

***** I'd certainly be worried about it coming loose due to how easy it is to unlock. I would personally prefer some sort of locking throw lever or similar just for the peace of mind that I won't be having my barrel fly away or worse, an out of battery discharge.

@ricks.1092 10 лет назад

***** I find the Dolos system gimmicky. Just another stupid and unnecessary product for the AR. Too many people put so much crap on their guns. Then more stuff to fail or break.

@Nugrat1 10 лет назад

Rick S watch the Military Arms Channel review of the Dolos. He talks about its intended uses.

@lucasner463 9 лет назад

I have grown to love your vids, bro. You are down to Earth and don't play the bullshit "TACTICAL TACTICAL TACTICAL" crap we see in so many of the other vids out there. Keep it up, Brother!

@WhiskyTangoFoxtrot33 10 лет назад

I've never had a Lancer AWM fail me. Never. I've also never seen that many failures in a row, even with some of the poor quality mags which were tested. It should be considered that the actual firearm could be contributing to the issues. I suggest using a factory built 16" AR in a second round of testing.

@sooneradmirer4382 6 лет назад

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot33 they did have a bad batch back in March 2015

@saxmusicmail 2 года назад

My USGI 20 rnd is so old it has a metal follower. Shoots just fine. 20's are no more or less reliable than the USGI 30's, but they are great for shooting prone at times.

@mkygod 10 лет назад

Failure to feed on the x15 mag due to your arm hitting on it is considered a user error? Sounds more like a design flaw to me.

@Spectrum184 10 лет назад

Want a polymer mag? Get a p-mag. Want a metal mag? Get a GI mag with upgraded follower. Pretty much all you need to know. Although the hex mag does look cool. Curious to see how that one holds up.

@NavySEAL11 10 лет назад

Yah, I feel the same way about mags myself. I have seen issues with PMAGS in the desert like my lone comment above. But that was the desert and I don't live in the desert.

@Jurocket 10 лет назад

Thats why everyone should just get AK's. They run with any mag :P

@pogmarinefps 9 лет назад

Really like those Hex-mags man. Magpul is my fav, but Hexmag is my second. Great Mags. Love them, and love the competition between the magazine manufacturing companies. Going to do a torture test video on my page here soon.

@martyslackjaw 8 лет назад

This guy likes numbers on his clothes.

@JDsgreatz28 10 лет назад

just buy p-mags and never have a problem. they are under $10 each online. i use my 20rd pmag 90% of the time but my 30rd and 40rd mags wrk just as good. i had more issues with my 20rd gi mag. the 20rd gi mag only has issues with steel cased ammo. pmags ALWAYS WORK!

@greendragontavernchats3574 10 лет назад

can I ask why no Tapco Mags?

@brettobryan.3121 10 лет назад

Hmm I was expecting there to be tapco as well,

@TrucPhan1993 10 лет назад

Éire Aontaithe nah He didn't do Tapco magazine. I guess because the Tapco didn't earn the trust from the consumers, so he didn't want to waste time to test it out.

@johnjohnson7576 10 лет назад

An Tran He said at the beginning of the video that he got every ar magazine he could get his hands on. 0:23

@TheJeffNasty 10 лет назад

John Johnson Probably not counting the ones he didn't want to get his hands on.

@TrucPhan1993 10 лет назад

John Johnson from where I live, you can find TAPCO mags in most of the stores for a cheap price ($10~$12). I bought 1 TAPCO mag for my AK 47 and 1 for AR 15. BOTH of the mags have the issues: 1/ it is hard to load, can't be gentle with it. 'Cause of that, it will either damage the rifle or the mags. 2/ it always fail to feed the second round to the chamber. I wouldn't recommend anyone to buy the TAPCO mags. Yes, it's cheap, but you will put your life in risk when bad situations happen. Just spend couple more buck and you can have a nice PMAG magazine and it will never fail you.

@TheSuburban15 10 лет назад

The problem with the pull-tab of the Troy mags, is that they are the locking plate. If you tap the bottom of the mag with the pull-tab, you can actually push the pull-tab into the magazine. They are also made of rubber, and they "give."

@newandoldtech5634 8 лет назад

How long can you store a loaded Magazine without damaging the spring or the function in any way?

@DatGrunt 8 лет назад

+new and old tech I think that wears the springs is loading and unloading mags not actually keeping them loaded.

@jamiesloan5902 5 лет назад

Any spring, and I do mean ANY SPRING will get slightly weaker over time, if left in a compressed state. Common sense, y'all. I think they are built to still be strong enough for function, anticipating future wear. If they start giving you problems, replace them. No big deal. I leave some of my gun mags loaded, and some not. It's according to how stiff the spring is. My PT 111 G2 has very strong mag springs. I leave them loaded. My TCP .380 has weak springs. I don't leave them loaded, unless I'm carrying it. Just use your own judgement. Nobody 100% knows the answer to this question...

@gregorystatt5562 3 года назад

Keep em all full. If one mag fails, load another mag. If you are worried about springs failing, use a revolver. I always keep a .38 snubbie as backup. Do what works for you.

@BigFreakingCacodemon 9 лет назад

I have a couple Lancer L5-AWMs and haven't had any issues with them. They're my favorite magazines.

@battlebornops 10 лет назад

I've never had a lancer fail on me. That's strange

@Nuke-China 10 лет назад

Might have something to do with him not using a standard rifle instead of a niche break-down pistol.

@Iraqveteran8888 10 лет назад

There seems to be a lot of you saying the same thing so we will try it against in part two when we use 3-4 different platforms.

@battlebornops 10 лет назад

Sounds good! Keep up the good vids!

@InfiniteGrim 10 лет назад

***** On close inspection, you had 31 rounds loaded into it.

@waynejstuart 9 лет назад

Funny thing you say to stay away from the Lancer L5AWM I run those and never have had a failure to feed! So you can not judge it form that.

@murmaider2 10 лет назад

The dolos is not a good platform for testing anything. The spec for an AR barrel is 35-80ft/lbs of torque on the nut. This rig just loosely holds the barrel in a lock. I bet it can account for most of these failures. I fail to believe that Sig mags outright failed to feed. Get a normal AR and then do some tests.

@tommyguns14able 10 лет назад

Maybe that's the point.To see which mags are worthy of a torture test.

@skylarscaling 10 лет назад

So if the Dolos caused the problems, why did the Magpul and Troy mags work flawlessly? I'd rather have a magazine that works in ANY gun than a magazine that only works in off the rack guns.

@skylarscaling 10 лет назад

mpk1414 You're missing the point of how magazines work. The bolt carrier pushes a round out of the magazine into the chamber. A failure to feed is either caused by the magazine (nosedive) or the rifle (feedramp) TYPICALLY. The rounds in question were not hitting the feedramp, they were nosediving in the magazine. That means poor magazine geometry, NOT a problem with the rifle.

@murmaider2 10 лет назад

skylarscaling you fail to mention that the barrel has guides for the nose of the bullet. The barrel/receiver alignment is crucial in proper feeding. If you notice he keeps having to tighten the rig, its possible that in between mags it worked itself slightly loose and you had bad feeding for whatever mag happened to be used at that time. Sig makes spectacular mags and I never seen them outright fail to feed. This gimmicky AR is not a good testing platform.

@johnjohnson7576 10 лет назад

murmaider2 Eric even said that he "knew" sig mags work.

@mfallen6894 Год назад

You really need to update this video as there are newer gens of most of these mags. Although if I'm being honest, pretty much everybody has gotten it right. Some are more durable than others, but even Promag finally has AR mags that run reliably. This test REALLY needs to be done on SR25/AR10/LR308 mags as the popularity of that platform has grown massively over the last few years to the point where I'd bet there are almost as many AR10/LR308's out there as there are AK's.

@WELSHENTERPRISE 8 лет назад

You shouldn't of use an exotic weapon for this test.

@crazyfvck 7 лет назад

+WELSHENTERPRISE The gun doesn't matter. These mags should work in ANY AR.. Period.

@Tcflohr 10 лет назад

If you guys are buying GI mags, get the ones with the tan followers. They're the newest with anti tilt followers. Green was an improvement over the black and tan improved over green. Just fyi.

@ShooterSD72 10 лет назад

How could you leave out the surefire 60 or the 100 rounder?

@anxietygamingactual6554 10 лет назад

Seriously...? The Surefire mags have to be THE most finicky mags on the market. Any damage done to those mags will make them absolutely useless.

@ShooterSD72 10 лет назад

***** All the more reason to either dispel the myths or prove they're junk! I'm interested in trying them out. But have heard about a 50/50 mix of good and bad. As with just about any mag that holds more than 40rds. I would like something to reliably and consistently dump through my select fire M16. But have not heard of one product that stands above the rest.

@OpTicBossaru 10 лет назад

ShooterSD72 They are very expensive and mostly considered no good, gimmicky mags to start with. No point wasting the money on them just to confirm that they suck.

@ShooterSD72 10 лет назад

OpTicBossaru conformation received... lol thanks! And yeah thats what I'm hearing. It's a shame... Surefire is generally high quality and yes High Price! But I was hoping that maybe just maybe they would work. But I'll probably be looking elsewhere.

@anxietygamingactual6554 10 лет назад

ShooterSD72 , I have a surefire 60 rounder that I bought in a moment of stupidity. I have only EVER been able to get a full 60 rounds without issues out of it ONCE, and that was after using Remington DryLube on the internals. After that, it went back to being terrible. Also, if you ever get a chance to see a Surefire in person, have the person who owns it take it apart to show you the internals. It's ridiculous how many things can go wrong inside that mag.

@MixBetterNowTV Год назад

I think magazine springs are not talked about enough regarding mag function in any platform. There’s a ton of Pew related snake oil out there, but spring tech is extremely critical IMO. Things like flat wire and braided wire springs being infinitely superior to round wire… Chrome Silicon springs lasting 10-30x longer than music wire… and of course proper tensile strength for its job. I’d highly implore everyone to go and watch David Tubbs’ (Tubbs Springs) video on AR buffer and AR magazine springs as well as Bill Geissele’s vid on his Super 42 braided wire buffer springs. Can’t forget to mention Bill Wilson either. My point is springs can make or break the way a magazine, recoil spring, and buffer spring function. A spring isn’t “just a spring” any longer. I exclusively use flat or braided wire springs made of chrome silicon springs or 17-7ph heat treated stainless steel for all my pistol recoil springs & rifle buffer springs. If I have issues with a magazine that I know should be working, I’ll upgrade the springs to Tubbs, Sprinco, ISMI, or Wilson Combat and that will usually fix the issues. Highly recommend the vids above ☝🏼 if you’re a nerd like me 👍🏼🤓

@Laluna2345 8 лет назад

Wait isn't putting the arm brace to your shoulder illegal

@giraffewithtattoos2770 8 лет назад

That was my impression,too.

@Seth9809 8 лет назад

It makes it an SBR. When he did this it was legal and didn't make it an SBR.

@giraffewithtattoos2770 8 лет назад

+Tevo77777 I'm sure Eric is on top of his paperwork. At the very beginning, he called it a AR pistol. he never said sbr. that's a big difference to the BATFE in today's world. This being made in 2014, they didn't have the "no shouldering" rule.

@Adamorevo 8 лет назад

It's on his chest not his shoulder. Completely legal, so said the ATF.

@Seth9809 8 лет назад

txwelder They can say that an arm brace is a stock if you use it as a stock though. And thus, it becomes an SBR.

@gabehartman6832 10 лет назад

I love this video, no matter what others say very informative.

@ecook2088 8 лет назад

thinking the gun is the issue

@ecook2088 8 лет назад

***** think the problem is people like you that like to stir the pot and piss people of for no reason

@TheJeffNasty 10 лет назад

I gotta laugh at people saying you should've used a bushmaster or M&P....those are M4geries if I've ever seen one, and probably have more malfunctions than Iv8888's build would. I'm excited for part 2!

@zakmichael 9 лет назад

Illegal use of a Sig brace.. Not that I saw anything.. ;-)

@killerwowmaster 9 лет назад

zakmichael This was filmed before the ATF's letter speaking against it

@kanyewest1365 8 лет назад

The ATF enforces laws, they don't have the power to make them. They can fuck off.

@michaell6335 8 лет назад

+USC 07 haha

@bluespork3248 6 лет назад

as of 2017 you can shoulder the sig brace only

@ShaneZettelmier 5 лет назад

I was surprised on the Lancer, a lot of people that shoot a lot of rounds seem to love them and I was considering getting a few, but I’ll probably just stick with the Pmag now.

@gylong08 10 лет назад

I have the standard metal mags, pmags & Lancer L5's. I've used them all extensively, and personally I prefer the lancers. I'm curious where Eric got his lancers as he seemed confused as to how the follower in the 1st mag got there. Probably some pos he found in a drawer at work. Poor test. Garbage in, garbage out a the saying goes. The second video will be garbage.

@jamesfischer4813 7 лет назад

Holly crap you just remade a pistol into a rifle right before our eyes. Magical

@fisher1972 10 лет назад

Ar platform is just too finicky, crap mags,Gotta run and clean them to much,due to the di gas system. Run an ak and forget it.

@WastedNihilist 10 лет назад

I sort of agree and own an sks, But it's still good information and some people prefer AR's for there own reason's. I'd have both if the gubment weren't so involved in the price.

@kinggeno32 10 лет назад

lol you're a moron

@jrmym2 10 лет назад

I don't have to ask if you've ever owned one... it's clear that you haven't. Just another keyboard commando...

@cattledog901 10 лет назад

So finicky and so unreliable that SAS, SBS, SASR, SOCOM and basically every other Western special forces group CHOOSES to use the M4 even with their massive budgets to acquire weaponry. How odd.

@ricks.1092 10 лет назад

I've never had to clean my mags for any of my AR's. Are all AR's equal...NO. However, a well made AR is just as good as an AK. Hence comes down to personal preference. I shot one of my BCM AR's about 1600 rounds with no failures. I then decided to clean it. Would it have fail at some juncture...of course. Anything mechanical is going to fail. As long as an AR is lubricated it work dirty. And you don't have to take the gun a part to lub the BCG up. And with Nickel Boron BCG's you can go much longer with little lubrication initially used. The above mentioned BCM AR was running with a Nickel Boron coated BCM bolt carrier group.

@JaredMaxwellFoo 10 лет назад

I would like to point out that the TAN follower is the improved follower for USGI mags. If there are green ones out there, that would probably only be a small batch

@alexrex20 10 лет назад

terrible test. how do we know the failure to feed issues weren't caused by the quick-change barrel?

@stimproid 10 лет назад

As long as the barrel isn't coming loose, I don't see how that could make any difference.

@tonioantony5803 10 лет назад

dude just explain how could the dolos affect the feeding issues , i dare you. i think you're just mad about the choices he made aout the mags

@rklkify 10 лет назад

the dolos wouldn't have affected the rifle, i personally beileve its the length of the barrel

@SirLooch 10 лет назад

Is this a real statement?

@alexrex20 10 лет назад

tonio antony Are you really that stupid? Do you even know how an AR15 works, and how it feeds ammo?

@1989oluo 10 лет назад

First thank you for the video. I use pmags the last two generations no window. Troy mags. Lancer the latest ones and Brownells high end GI mags. All of these mags run 100%. If one mag stumbles that mag will be segregated for range use only for drills. I would like to see a good GI mag in the test even though as you may have said they may be inferior to the ones you are testing. It only make sense to include it. I have a box of old used GI mags that do not work at all. Someday I'll rebuild them with the latest springs and GI magpul follower. But understand that these mags ran flawlessly for me 20 years ago. I have been waiting for a good mag test round up and torture test. Please keep up the good work. I use Colts rifles and Colts 6920's. Good luck

@stimproid 10 лет назад

There are a lot of butt hurt internet gun experts commenting here.

@Iraqveteran8888 10 лет назад

Yep...lol

@SirLooch 10 лет назад

It's always a comfort to see these tards will always come out of the woodwork

@arthurparetti1155 7 лет назад

Iraqveteran8888

@tehyeh 10 лет назад

Lancer L5 AWM should hold up the best in my personal experience, very odd. Hope to see it tested further to be verified.

@gottenwheel14 9 лет назад

The slapping of the magazine into the magazine housing is the cause of a stoppage but I get what this test is about to see which magazines will not miss feed when needed to be loaded quickly and slappes in but in general I recommend assisting the mag in till it clicks and not ramming it in but everything else can be slaped, claped and draged

@jerryt9382 10 лет назад

I'm set in my ways, but I always like knowing what else is out there. I run Lancer L5 AWM's, Pmag 30's, and troy battle mags with no issues, the only magazine I've ever had problems with was a PMag 20 round Gen 2 because of the plastic middle peice that separates the nose of the rounds, it didn't like my 69gr and 75gr rounds. Look forward to seeing the final torture test Eric, keep up the good work!

@ilikeanime66 7 лет назад

The first CAA magazine worked flawlessly, and he even commented about picking some of them up, then at the end he completely disregarded it from any further testing because the 2nd mag had issues. The same was true for the Lancer mags, the first one worked fine, but because the second one which was a different model had issues, he discarded the first one as well. Also he said he wasn't going to use a GI mag in the next torture video, but he ended up including one anyway. Also I think to eliminate the firearm from being a negative factor against the mags, it would have been better to use a standard AR, not a home rolled gun.

@tomsterism 10 лет назад

An idea for your channel: Many are curious about the ideal barrel length to yield maximum muzzle velocity for the .22 Long Rifle caliber. You might start out with a 24" barrel, testing several different loads, then shortening the barrel in 1/2" increments and re-crowning. Continue this sequence down to 16" legal length. Then compare results to arrive at the "ideal barrel length" that yields the highest average muzzle velocity. If anyone on the web is capable of this experiment, it's clearly you guys! Tom Clark, Snellville, GA

@Toxie2725 7 лет назад

Just as an FYI, I watched the Lancer test at 12:58 in slow motion and you had the Lancer AWM loaded with 32 rounds. You have a FTF and strip one from the top, then fire two, have another Failure and strip another round. Then you fire 28 rounds in succession. While I happen to agree that a 7" gas gun assembled by the tester isn't ideal for conducting a "test", I find it troubling that "results" are opined when he clearly overloaded several of the magazines (the lancer mag, and possibly both sig mags).

@Ragnar_Helsson 3 года назад

Ahh, the good old days, when you could actually burn through this much ammo without mortgaging your house.

@BobotheGreat 7 лет назад

I agree 110% which is why I don't use pmags. too many follower fails where it gets stuck on nothing. and the remaining rounds will just fall out. I'll stick to the Hexmags and Lancers which don't fail when loaded properly.

@SandSoldierPrep 10 лет назад

Well done Eric!!! Great video!! I was just fixing to buy some sig mags, so you saved me about $150.00!!! And once again, excellent video brother!! I have followed you and Barry ever since your first video and shake yer ammo!!! God bless you guys!!!

@troten15 10 лет назад

That's strange I have a few lancer mags I have shot 1000s of rounds multiple guns never had a issue not even one. I am really surprised to see it didn't make the cut.

@reelconquest2063 7 лет назад

Surprised by the Lancer, they are excellent mags. Going to have to test mine with the bolt closed, although I always load from bolt open as the rifle is intended to be used. Great video!

@scottziegler8094 10 лет назад

Keep it up! To hell with the haters and smack talkers. Your videos are highly informative.

@srenkrejlgaardnielsen1542 10 лет назад

in the danish national guard we use the Canadian made C7/colt license build m 16 , and we are using the shemold as standard issue mag , personally i got 1500 plus down range , and honestly i dont have many malfunctions to tell about , talking maybe between 15-20 jams in all , and that is a standard issue rifle with fixed stock and regular pipe length ...

@Dozer7885 10 лет назад

D&H USGI mags and Brownells USGI mags are by far my favorite choice.

@Fan119 10 лет назад

It would be pretty sweet if you got a electric dryer on the range, powered it up, threw the loaded mags in there and ran a couple dry cycles. It would be a nice test of the poly mags resistance to heat and impact.

@crashandburnbirner 10 лет назад

I have 6 Veitnam era 20 rounders and they all still work fine without any problems.

@nt3523 10 лет назад

I am liking the Troy Battlemags that I have. Seems like they were $9 shipped if you bought several. Can't wait to watch the torture test.

@michaelstrickler3381 10 лет назад

The green followers on the gi mags are not the improved followers. The tan followers are the improved. Not talking trash. This channel is the reason i now own a cz p07. Just making sure people get the correct info

@CPHannigan 10 лет назад

The green followers are actually improved followers. Originally, GI mags were issued with black followers that had tilt problems. Then came the green improved followers, which helped. Later on, tan fixed up the remaining issues. Both green and tan followers are improved, so Eric is correct.

@Clutch_Kick187 10 лет назад

Nice work Eric...but in my opinion in testing mags you would have to get about 50 of each of them to test for reliability.. I have used several different kinds with varying reliability from different makers.. The only way I would trust any mag is to use it myself through several loading cycles, in a couple different rifles.. Great concept, and video..looked like lots of fun..

@WastedNihilist 10 лет назад

I vote for testing GI mags. Just for comparison. Especially since they should be the baseline for any mags. Thanks for the video and for good information

@goriverman 10 лет назад

Thank you Eric, very informative video. It's got to be against the law for one person to have so much fun, I'm anxious to see how that battle mag holds up. Love your vids

@pyzik200 10 лет назад

Man, you guys are really stepping up production value!

@bassplayer1566 8 лет назад

Hey IV8888 team, do you guys think you will ever do an AK mag torture test? Just got my first AK and with how much these vids helped me on my AR mag decisions, I know the AK test would help also. Keep up the great vids

@vengenaceearly255 10 лет назад

I bought a PAP M92 from y'all a few months back. Ray did a nice job on a slight custom package : Hogue grips, Bulgarian flash hider/ detent , and SB -stabilizing brace. Man does it run great. I have yet to have had any problems with Failure to feed etc issues etc. After looking at this video I am glad I didn't buy its AR-15 counter part. I hope one day you will do a video comparing the the two, and give your personal preference on the results. Thanks .

@TheMotocross4life 7 лет назад

There needs to be an official certification for reliability ratings of ar parts. Similar to how car amps have cea rating certifying the power output. This would make company's step their game up because the only parts that would sell would be ones with a such certificate

@decnet100 10 лет назад

Just had to say, I'm happy with the pistol used in this preliminary testing. It's obviously quite costly and time-consuming to torture-test magazines thoroughly. Instead of simply trying to chamber (and fire) 1000 rounds through 15 contenders and noticing that the bad models won't feed half of the time, it's logical to do a probable-bad-case-scenario (not worst-case!) first. You set a threshold and weed out those that can't even go beyond that. A clean, 100% functioning unorthodox rifle (sorry, "pistol", legally speaking) with the magazine inserted to a closed bolt seems fine for that purpose, any magazine worth considering should be able to feed a single mag through that without problems. Keep in mind that the first round not being chambered is a failure criterium, everything beyond that is just confirmation of a problem in this threshold testing - and if I'm not mistaken, there wasn't any magazine in this test that WOULD chamber the first and then have problems with subsequent rounds. And I simply can't see how the rifle used would make much of a difference in that regard.