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Arcade Vs Master System - Altered Beast 

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In Season 17 of Retro Comparisons we take a look every arcade game that made its way over to the Sega Master System

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@SomeOrangeCat
@SomeOrangeCat Месяц назад
I remember seeing the Master System advertised with Altered Beast as a low-cost alternative to buying the Genesis with Altered Beast in a Sears Wish Book.
@RetroComparisons
@RetroComparisons Месяц назад
Those Sear wish books were so great. I remember seeing stuff like the 7800 & Master System in there and being so curious about these things that I never saw anywhere in person.
@rolandsmash
@rolandsmash Месяц назад
Slightly off-topic observation: Interesting that the arcade version didn’t have parallax scrolling while the Genesis version did, since the latter featured various graphical cutbacks overall.
@RetroComparisons
@RetroComparisons Месяц назад
Hmm interesting, I didn't notice that until you pointed it out.
@scoochaside
@scoochaside Месяц назад
As a kid, the SMS port of this game caused me to rage so hard to throw the controller and break it, and subsequently get grounded with no console access for months.
@RetroComparisons
@RetroComparisons Месяц назад
Lol! I can totally see why. It's one thing for a game to be hard but this is unfairly hard due to the cheap hits and poor mechanics.
@KittyMeow1984
@KittyMeow1984 Месяц назад
It's been over 30 years, and seeing the ridiculously tiny enemies in the Master System version still never fails to crack me up. What a trainwreck of a port.
@RetroComparisons
@RetroComparisons Месяц назад
Lol! This port is pretty horrible but just wait until tomorrow with the NES version. It's actually better with gameplay but the enemies are even smaller.
@juststatedtheobvious9633
@juststatedtheobvious9633 Месяц назад
​@@RetroComparisonsIt's downright adorable... and also the best version of the game, if you're someone who genuinely believes a lack of content was the only thing holding back the arcade and Genesis's glorified tech demo. So many hypocrites expose themselves... Personally, I adore 8-bit ports of 16-bit games that replace everything with a collection of miniatures, to avoid over taxing the CPU. It's coming from a place of ethical apathy.
@RetroComparisons
@RetroComparisons Месяц назад
@@juststatedtheobvious9633 The downscaled ports also fascinate me, hence the reason I have so many videos comparing different generations. I do think in most cases making things smaller for the sake of better gameplay is almost always the way to go. Even if the NES port isn't great it's so much more playable than this mess on the SMS.
@KittyMeow1984
@KittyMeow1984 Месяц назад
@@RetroComparisons Wow, a Sega game in a Nintendo console? I sure have to see that!
@RetroComparisons
@RetroComparisons Месяц назад
@@KittyMeow1984 There's some that really surprised me like Columns being on the Super Famicom and After Burner on the NES. It's kind of surreal.
@shotgunl
@shotgunl Месяц назад
I've only played a tiny bit of this port and that's been a long time ago. Like 95% of my time with Altered Beast period was on my uncle's copy of the Genesis port. But, I've played through the arcade version a few times since. The arcade version is certainly the winner here in this comparison. The SMS version is okay though. The colors are not great, but I'm not sure they could have been better given the limited palette. The sprites are okay, but everything is slow and a bit choppy. I think it sounds good for an SMS game. If all you had was the Master System at the time, I think it would have been okay.
@RetroComparisons
@RetroComparisons Месяц назад
I've played the Genesis version so many times throughout my life so it's my go-to version even though the arcade port is superior. The SMS port is pretty bad overall. It looks fairly nice but it's borderline unplayable with the choppiness. Still though, I think you're right that if this was all you had back then you'd probably be happy with it the same way I was totally satisfied with the 2600 ports of Pac-Man and many others.
@mikec3260
@mikec3260 Месяц назад
Despite the small enemies the quality of the sprites is pretty freakin nice on the SMS. No way the NES could pull it off. The arcade is an instant classic tho! Winner: Arcade The SMS seemed overly difficult and that is a shame, cheap misses or enemy shots would make that one frustrating to play even if it looked pretty good from just watching. Thank you for powering through that one for us!
@RetroComparisons
@RetroComparisons Месяц назад
This is a great example of a game looking great but failing badly at gameplay. Before trying the SMS port for the first time years ago I'd heard bad things about it but when watching clips it looked great. Playing it though is another story and you're right on the money with this being full of cheap misses and cheap enemy shots. I'm pretty decent at this game on the Genesis but I could not for the life of me get past the 2nd level of the SMS port.
@mikec3260
@mikec3260 Месяц назад
@@RetroComparisons That makes sense seemed very difficult. I will hard pass on this lol.
@SomeOrangeCat
@SomeOrangeCat Месяц назад
Given how garbage the game plays on the Master System, even compared to the Famicom version, I'd say the sprite size/game speed tradeoff wasn't worth it.
@RetroComparisons
@RetroComparisons Месяц назад
@@mikec3260 Lol! Yeah stay far away from this port.
@mtshark7
@mtshark7 Месяц назад
Arcade!
@RetroComparisons
@RetroComparisons Месяц назад
Yeah it's not even close on this one.
@MKF30
@MKF30 Месяц назад
Nice comparison. It doesn't look horrible just not quite as good as the arcade, one thing I've noticed is the speed difference almost looks like the MS version is lagging at times but I totally get it, sometimes things like that happen and sacrifices have to be made. The graphics for the MS conversion don't look bad though.
@RetroComparisons
@RetroComparisons Месяц назад
Thanks buddy! This is one of those style over substance type of ports. I think it looks really nice for an 8 bit rendition but the lag makes it almost unplayable. I've beaten the Genesis port numerous times in my life but couldn't even get past the dragon stage in this one.
@MKF30
@MKF30 Месяц назад
@@RetroComparisons Ahh yes I see good point. Yeah I swear whats upnwith Nintendo and Sega making arcade ports way harder on their 8 bit consoles lol 😆
@steuph1976
@steuph1976 Месяц назад
One reason for the lag and jerkiness is that a lot of what you see on screen, including I believe your character, is background tiles instead of sprites. They really pushed the limit of that type of hack with this one, and even more with Golden Axe.
@MKF30
@MKF30 Месяц назад
@@steuph1976 Yeah for sure, its interesting to see them pushing limits even if the console struggles with some games at times.
@RetroComparisons
@RetroComparisons Месяц назад
@@MKF30 Lol!
@johnmp3828
@johnmp3828 Месяц назад
Does the SMS version even say rise from your grave?
@RetroComparisons
@RetroComparisons Месяц назад
Sadly no. Zeus may be all powerful but he didn't have the benefit of totally-rad-in-your-face blast processing here.
@juststatedtheobvious9633
@juststatedtheobvious9633 Месяц назад
So, the clever thing about this is that the Master System can flip background tiles. Using them for the player's many different forms wasn't necessarily a bad idea... But they aren't the most responsive option. According to the guy who did the Tyris Flare hack for Master System, it's even worse if you calculate how the fake sprite overlaps background details. So why make that fake, CPU eating compromise, as big as humanly possible? It just makes the impressive enemies look pathetic, and the entire game is a chore to play. Arcade ports like this one, almost make me think the success of the Genesis had more to do with the mistakes of NEC and NES, rather than Sega getting their act together.
@RetroComparisons
@RetroComparisons Месяц назад
That actually makes way more sense as to why this port is so unplayable, and Golden Axe for that matter. It's one thing to see a game like this in a magazine and another to actually play it and this port looks like it was made for still shots.
@juststatedtheobvious9633
@juststatedtheobvious9633 Месяц назад
@@RetroComparisons Aye. Guess I really need to give Alien Storm way more credit. It's amazing how a little context makes a virtue of modest ambition.
@juststatedtheobvious9633
@juststatedtheobvious9633 Месяц назад
​@@RetroComparisons Almost forgot to mention! This was your best transition ever! I rarely laugh out loud, but this one broke me.
@RetroComparisons
@RetroComparisons Месяц назад
@@juststatedtheobvious9633 Lol thanks!
@afriend9428
@afriend9428 Месяц назад
*it was n't so bad plus a lot of people were kids and poor back then!* 💡
@RetroComparisons
@RetroComparisons Месяц назад
That's true. As much as I don't like this port I bet that if I only had a SMS and this was one of the few games I had I probably would have played it a lot.
@user-ek7hp2er8v
@user-ek7hp2er8v Месяц назад
There Is Absolutely No Way A 8 Bit Versión Of The Company Own Game Can Be This Kind Of Bad And Then The Génesis Is The Oppsoite Of Bad💀
@RetroComparisons
@RetroComparisons Месяц назад
This is a port that is great for still shots in a magazine but when it comes to actually playing the game it's horrible.
@ReneRivers
@ReneRivers Месяц назад
I wonder why the frame rate is so bad. There are plenty of master system games with as much on the screen as this with a decent frame rate.
@scoochaside
@scoochaside Месяц назад
I think, but not entirely sure, that it is using background graphics as sprites, since normal sprites can't be that "large". But background tiles update at a lower rate hence the choppiness.
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