Arch Tempered - Difficulty Done Wrong [Monster Hunter World] 

I forgot to turn off my subwoofer and my apartment building collapsed.

Let's be honest; the only truly good AT monster... Was Greatest Jagras.

Nergigante: jumps in air for 1 second My team: Fainted, Fainted, Fainted Disband and Return to base

What if you Wanted to hunt monsters But Nergigante said *PEPEGA SLAM*

Akantorx: Kirin is actually a *fun fight* Me: *BRUH*

MHW Devs: How much health should we give AT Nergigante Capcom: Yes

On note of AT Val: You can move him out of his miasma by just leading him to a different part of the map. The miasma won't follow, it'll only be an issue if he puts down more (which then you just move again). You can also disperse the miasma with a flame pod. He's really not that difficult to fight once you realize you can do this. To be honest he was the easiest out of all the AT monsters IMO.

*forging AT Nergi armor set Friend: What did it cost? Me:Everything

Personally I've never carted from the Dive attack. You may ask, how? Simple really... I've never fought AT Nerge lol. Can't die from an attack I've never seen.

Kushala has to be the biggest offender to me. Half of the fight is waiting for him to land so you can even do any damage. You fight the damn clock as much as you do the dragon.

You wont survive the "Pepega slam" unless u have close to 500 defense. Me: 200 hp, 480 defense, Rocksteady mantle on AT Nergigante: Bruh lemme just spam pepega

Funny AT Lunastra story... So I was going pretty smooth with the fight for a solo managing to survive a supernova and a Teostra bond. She hobbled off into the place with the falling crystals and I absolutely decimated her cause I'm a hammer main and don't give stuns lightly. She started to limp, went to the final area to sleep, and I got off a decent wake up hit. I died all three times after that without landing a single hit

A few things: 1. I did not coin the term "Pepega Slam." People have been calling it this way, well before I even thought of making this video. 2. The fights in MHW are only tolerable, because monsters die so quickly. That's why some AT monsters are so much worse than some of their normal counterparts, despite not changing their behaviour/moveset at all. A good example is Kushala, Teostra and Vaal. To make ATs a truly better fight, you have to change more than just HP and attack stats. 3. I extensively talked about unbalanced attacks in the video, but I failed to mention that a lot of the combat in MHW seems to be balanced around mantles. Once they run out, heck, even while they're still active, flaws become glaringly obvious. 4. I watched a few boss fights from older games I've played, like the Fromsoft games, where attacks can be massive in size, look flashy and can still be easiyl avoided with a well timed roll, block or parry. 5. I wouldn't critique this game so much if I didn't care. I do care, which is why I even bothered making this video. 6. Thanks for watching. Buy my shirt. The one I am wearing right now.

Whoever thought of AT nerg backflip slam must be effin sadistic.

5:19 You forgot that all the monsters read button inputs. It's how they know to roar to cancel your moves. Datto, or prod tested it. Sorry I forgot which one. Great video. Subscribed.

I’ve had instances where I’ve been oneshot with 200 hp 500~ defense

Thanks for this. I’ve chatted with people about the instant slam and while I don’t think it’s too bad the worst part for me is how spammable Capcom allowed it to be. The move wouldn’t be such an issue if there was an some sort of internal cooldown before it’s next use. As it is I’ve died countless times to none stop dive spam. Even with guard 5 and dash juice if you block the first one and he spams the move (which he can and does) by the 3rd slam you are likely dead or close. Don’t over commit is bullshit to, I’ve been hit many times with draw attacks just taking my weapon out- it’s like I swear the game input reads the second I do anything it’s dive bomb time.

The only issue i have with these AT elder dragons is their nuzzles do WAAAAY too much damage. Don't get me started on Testro, his kind of tracks.

I agree with the theory that the AT monsters were not planned at all, but they found the game was much more popular than they thought, and more people were playing it longer than they thought, so they tried to throw in some sort of content quick fix as sort of a bonus.

I actually like arch Vaal Hazak. I think it's a pretty good way to keep people aggressive. (If they have the Regen augment) plus Vaal is really slow, so it becomes a game of staying as agro as possible.

Monster Hunter World's difficulty design essentially boils down to "Oh shit, we made the game too easy, time to dump in some unreasonable difficulty!"

They artificially inflated the difficulty yes.

AT Lunastra and AT Nergigante: We're the most annoying fights in the series! Plesioth and Khezu: Yare Yare Daze... *Hip-checks and Roar Spams you to death*

AT MONSTERS BEFORE ICEBORNE: we are the most powerfull monsters in the entire game AT MONSTER AFTER ICEBORNE: No hunter Please Noooooo!!!

I was struggling with AT Teos and Xeno last week because of carting, decided to solo them and it went smoothly. This week when Kushala and Nergi come i thought "Oh this gonna be easy since i have no problem soloing them". Now i just wish someone to carry my sorry ass.

I'm convinced the devs literally don't even playtest their balancing. They make the base game, people call it too easy, then just jack up the stats and attack and say "did you rike it".

Not a fan of the "difficulty" of late game being Getting two shotted or swiped by bullshit hitboxes. Like, there are a bunch of attacks with great telegraphs....and loads with a millisecond to respond.

I'm calling it right now, AT Velkhana is going to be some BS.

This is so cathartic. Better than my therapist, thanks CB daddy

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You sound like hawkeye gough from darksouls 1 lol

Bruh, that bit with the "just get more defense" analogy killed me xD

Pepega

This video taught me an awful lot, not just about the monsters, but about how you can charge the Sword too.

Beat AT Nerg in my first run with him yesterday. After losing 2 carts and finally sending him to sleep, I had to resort to the classic move of bomb-n-run and made countless trips back to camp before I finally bombed him to death in his sleep.

If the shrek instant slam had even a subtle tell I think complaints about the move would almost dissapear

The thing i hate aabout AT monsters is not the hyper agression, it's that they spam one move over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

Actually i think AT Vaal Hazaks more deadly miasma was a great additon to the fight, really highlighting the destructive nature of the creature. Yes, it was somewhat annoying to deal with, but it made the fight much more interesting. Vaal is definitively on my good list

You have the single deepest voice I've ever heard a human have

I liked vaal as it actually made me notice his gas mechanic. Additionally the health boost prevents him from just getting owned to quick. He's one of the ats I like most under xeno and others of course burn had fun

Tbh.. i think this is my first time seeing AND hearing a speedrunner roast on monsters, also at luna vs glaive too OP

imho those overtunning difficulty is to compensate the OPness of mantles and force u to take advantage of environmental factors like ledge turf wars or boulders , which is of course catastrophic for TA rule players .

Aerial Glaive is how you do it to em. Aerial Glaive drags on the fight but its really safe since you can yeet over pepega slam and most of his moves. Fight is about 23 minutes of MonkaS.

My dude, can you share the CB set you used against AT Nerg?

Actually the mini dive bomb is not as deadly as the tailspin nergie does in stage 3 which can cart an entire team..

instead of attempting to give my 2 cents on a feature i have not dabbled in since i disagreed with the direction of ATs from the beginning, i'll just say this: Thank you for being our Sapphire Star habibi

I've found if you dodgeroll to the right when he's in the air you can avoid that cheap attack.

Great video, well explained :) What charge blade is that you are using?

Well personally, Lunastra's nova made me stop playing already before that AT was a thing. Doesn't look like I missed much.

Vaal's not too bad. You just need to kite him out of his effluvium cloud once he puts it down. If you can handle regular Luna, AT Luna is fine, with one MAJOR exception that anyone can guess. Bring wind resist, Astera Jerky, and spam Panic Dive. For Kush, save yourself a ton of headaches and solo with bowgun/bow and earplugs for the constant roaring. Nerg has the Pepega Slam. There's literally no effective way to deal with it. It's probably the single most bullshit move in the whole game.

You know what, I came by to watch this video a while back, but now I gotta share this sht. The developers definitely need to take a hint here

The Tempered and Arch Tempered fights rather turned me off from the game and I'm rather worried about how they're going to factor into _Iceborne._ I'm no stranger to realizing that I need to "Git Gud" when it comes to certain monsters in the series, Fatalis and his ilk didn't go down remotely easily back in the day, but _MHW_ soured things more than they needed to with these monster versions. Tempered monsters are still reasonably balanced, though the incentives for doing those fights over normal versions is (was?) lacking. Arch Tempered tries to address that by adding monster specific gear to craft, but it's still not much of a better "end game" for the player. I'm sure I'll enjoy going through _Iceborne,_ but hopefully they don't carry over the current lazy "end game" design.

The guy who punishes every single monster that have existed in the game, is complaining about monsters who have punished every single player in the game. You know this means his words are truth and isnt just a "gitgud" comment

What is that chcargeblade you’ve been using throughout most of the vid?

I kinda got use to his ground slams after a while, just need the quick response to his leaps. Only real issues I had with Nerg were: People spamming flashpods at him just before he did his blackspike divebomb resulting in him having his black spikes for an unnecessary amount of time. People flashpodding him and the other AT monster resulting in no turf war and two AT monsters running around. AT Nerg was really fun to fight for me, He gave me an actual challenge compared to the other AT monsters.

Dark Souls is too easy MHW: Hold my Max Potion..

Seeing someone as good as you confirm the ATs are hard saved my self esteem. Damn you AT nerg!

I felt the AT Nergigante one. I reenacted the scene where team dai-gurren get's massacred in space. It was horrible...

What armor set and weapon is it in the video?

I hope I’m not a bother or being an idiot but what was the weapon and armour called that he was using during the video? Thanks in advance!

Counterargument: Nergigante doesn't seem to have been designed with TA in mind. While I have insane trouble with Nergi alone (no cat) or without mantles, adding either one (particularly the cat, which I normally hate bringing to almost *any* other hunt)... feels great, honestly. A common complaint about World in general is that there are too many things that make the game easier. I agree. Rather than creating a fight that's challenging when you handicap yourself to make the game harder, Nergigante seems geared to make the game hard when you use everything to your disposal. The temporal and rocksteady mantles should have never been made. They were, and Nergigante wants you to use them and still feel something of a challenge. The game isn't actually made for TA rules. I think you acknowledged this in your comment and I'm sure other comments have mentioned it, but I think it's still a worthwhile point. The pepega slam is infinitely more tolerable when you have a cat around, in my experience. It doesn't seem like it was geared for a true solo. There's an argument to be made that all content should be soloable without any help, but I'm not sure that's possible while maintaining challenge with more to your advantage (multiplayer scaling speaks to this, though I don't think it was implemented properly at all), and technically it's possible to solo Nergi anyway. On my part, unless I'm deliberately handicapping myself, I find that AT Nergi practically goes down faster than the other ATs. Probably because my runs aren't perfect on the others or anything, but I think ~11 minutes for a normal run is decent. (That was the run when I first cleared him, and by the time the event rolled away, I didn't get much faster) I think also a speedrunner's perspective is different, having to run it over, and over, and over, and over, difficulty that doesn't feel "fair" becomes more grating, rather than the typical reward a more typical player feels upon clearing at all. For this matter I'm quite surprised you hate Vaal, if it makes sense. It's all subjective, and I'm something of a masochist, but I quite love AT Nergigante, and quite makes me fear and respect the monster. I want to feel like the monsters have capabilities that I can barely deal with, and realistically Nergi move so fast I can barely keep makes a lot of sense. AT's shouldn't fee like anything less than terrifying forces of nature in my mind, and it's not like anything has been worse than Gogmazios in terms of running around whittling on infinite HP trying to not get one-shot, and I like Gog. As much as I know it often enough acts like an HP check and there's little I can do, I have largely gotten used to and adjusted to the pepega slam. Though I've never seen him chain it like he did in your video, that's actually hilarious. I'd probably hate him too if I had to deal with that. XD Nergigante is one of the few AT monsters I found myself looking to fight for fun after I had all of his gear and the layered armor. I really think he's fun-the ultimate balancing act and culmination of what I've learned playing the game. But then I also like soloing Behemoth. Just my opinion though.

So i haven't logged in on my mhw pc for a while and i heard AT nergi is out i was planning to use hammer on my first hunt against it since its the best weapon vs nergi IMO(IG main BTW)😂 but using CB is more satisfying and it fuels me more after watching this video ,thanks!

Inb4 Arch-Tempered White Fatalis comes in Iceborne and OHKO's AT Nergigante right in front of us.

I had a bigger problem with AT Kushala and Xino than Nergigante honestly. But I was also using a Guard Up boosted Heavy Bowgun, so block everything without even trying. Probably why I had no issue at all.

And this guy is why I main the Lance.

RU-vid just recommended me this again for some reason and now that I've done all of them looking back at the fights I actually liked them in a way. Since the "bad" guys were so cancer to fight it actually forced me to come up with counter builds and use weapons I don't normally use. (former LS-GS-CB main) AT Luna: While I didn't change my weapons for this one getting Earplugs and Windproof along good enough fire resist to not get the fire debuff made this one tolerable. While it did drag out the fight a bit it made it very consistent (20-25 mins is still better to me than getting angry or annoyed). Windproof and Earplugs take the danger out of the surprise novas and a emergeny farcaster next to the potions for when you're low on health and can't escape. AT Doara: Definitely my least favorite because getting the Daora set bonus is a must if you don't want to use ranged weapons. The Daora set makes this fight pretty straightforward though since you can ignore all the wind. After a couple of runs I saw someone use a long shell gunlance of all things and it worked really well. I gave it a go and it is amazing for knocking him out of the air. I finished my last few tickets with gunlance after that and it was pretty fast and almost fun. AT Nerg: This one really gave me trouble. GS and CB were ruled out pretty quickly because he is just too fast for me. I had some success with LS but I also had some triple cart runs which are very annoying after 20+ minutes. I was struggling to break the spikes consistenly and would only slowly chip away at his insane healthpool. I ultimately found great success in the wide shell gunlace + evade window build. The precision of the GL made it easy to break spikes consistently and GL is agile enough to dodge those random pepegas mid combo. Not only did it turn pepega into an opening it also made almost all other openings safe again because I don't have to fear those insta pepegas anymore. While they were a bit overtuned this "bad" design forced me to try out new builds and weapons instead of the typical drachen meta builds and I really enjoyed the grind for gear to overcome these roadblocks when it actually payed off in the end.

I have to object to AT Nergi's new move. It's extremely easy to dodge if you're on the lookout and you dodge towards his start-of-attack position (where he was when he jumped up to insta-gib you) or opposite to where he lands. The attack has a very nice and precise hitbox, which seems to be a trend with the new attacks that some of the ATs got. I will say that the nice hitboxes are kind of unfair, though. AT Xeno's explosive insanity is actually just a bunch of fancy straws of damage that you can walk between.

Whats your opinion on Hazard and Risen Monsters?

Ive never got hit by that move in the 5 times I've fought it so far. I usually get killed by his tail swipes

For those who want to know what the hell is this charge blade. It's a mod called "Old World Weapon Collections Charge Blade" you'll find it on nexus mod ;) It's replacing existing weapon appearence

Vaal's effluvia clouds are anchored to the ground, not to Vaal itself, so you can easily just move Vaal out of them. It's actually one of the only AT's I don't mind hunting.

I appreciate the video. Especially the bit about Lunastra. I loathe that monster in it's entirety. Keep making vids

You said what we were all thinking, I'm glad you did.

I love the AT Nergi because when you just completely obliterate it’s body and you’re standing above it’s hornless/tail-less body you just feel the gravity of being the alpha.

What I found to work best for AT Nergi: make him fall over or leave area 2 as the other AT dragon shows up. If it's AT Toaster, he's gonna stay around and follow Nergi through area 3 and 4. Use tanky build and interrupt/flinch Nergi as much as possible and Toaster will beat the shit out of him for you.

That slam pissed me off so much... it took me 5 attempts to beat it solo and I had a minute to spare and was going ham at the end with temporal up...

"Artificial Difficulty" is the best way to describe Arch-Tempered Monsters

You can use Farcasters to avoid Lunastras special attack

MHFU Plesioth: Hip check for you Nergigante: Pepega slam

Once AT nergi did the slam 5 times in a row in the final area, keep in mind I was using guard 3 lance so I couldn't dodge the attacks and was raped by chip damage

You could pretty much say the exact same thing for MHGU and it's endgame hyper monsters. Soloing hyper G rank deviljho omegaLUL.

I love these meme like videos akantore bro fkn quality keep them coming brah! And I clicked this video faster than me having a quicky.

me,everytime there's a monster i really want to beat but cant really bring it down coz my lack of skill: "SLEEP BOMB PROTOCOL, COMMENCE!!!!!!"

I know I’m late for but what’s your opinion on the risen elders. They seem to be better than the arch tempered but I want to see your opinion on them.

I thought AT Val was pretty good. The effluvium was basically not an issue at all even in the tempered version. Making it a threat you have to actually prepare for made the fight feel the way I think it was intended to be.

LMAO... hahaha.. You got that PTSD on plesioth style hip check.

LMFAO the rollerskates made me lose it! XD

This guy sounds like what would Nergigante would sound like if he could talk.

have your shirt embedded with your trademark: "Inhale my Lao Shan Schlong" You'll get more buyers that way! 😂😂😂

What charge blade were you using?!

I like the AT Nerg fight even though out of about 50 times I only have 1 kill with randoms, lol. Personally I think that tail swipe is more unfair than the slam. Just keep to his left slightly so you can roll/dodge to your right.

LOL omg when the flute started playing I couldn't hold in my laughter

I didn't mind Val, but I consider that bias because I do like the monster. The Effluvium is manageable, but is BS I loved Xeno. Who knew playing the floor is lava would be a fun game! But Nergi? No...I did not enjoy being a hunter pancake.

*Brings Wind Resistance HH and does Kushala online 5 times in a row without failing a single time*

So, I was doing AT Teostra Quest yesterday and he sorta "stuck" in a loop of running away, running at me, running away, running at me. Worst part was, he was running at a wall... while I was near that wall, so he kinda booped me to death with his leg. It was weird.

I just solo'd/beat AT nerg for the first time today, had 1 cart left for most of the fight - I was on the edge of my seat and I fucking YELLED when I saw it end, holy shit what a rush. LS build, didn't build specifically for the fight

Arch Tempered Velkhana let that sink in.

This is amazing. Loved it.

that titanic flute made me lol so hard..thx for that

In my defense for Arch Tempered monsters is that an important part of monster hunter has always been preparing for the hunt before the hunt, it's one of the main reasons i main 4 different weapons. While it can be frustrating to not be able to beat a extremely tough monster with your favorite weapon every monster has always had a weapon that strongly counters it. For AT Nerg i find the Dual blades make him a piece of cake, the dive move can be dodged pretty easily by getting evade distance and staying in demon mode for the quick slide.