Archeage Launch to Failure Speed Run Any % - Kakao's World Record 

This has got to be one of the most abused and passed around MMORPGs ever made. I really love everything about this game or what it could have been if it was treated correctly.

Man I loved playing this back in the old trino days.. Even had my own little island out on the ocean at some point with all my farms and a nice treehouse, galleon in the water.. took ages to get it all and it was such a nice feeling to just relax out there on my own personal little paradise.. but once I did get it all it soon became a frustrating grind for upkeep as more and more people quit, I eventually lost interest and left..

One of the highest potential MMOs out there, such a shame it always fails.

Such a sad story for Archeage. I played Jake Song's first mmo, Nexustk, back in 1997 or 98. That game was so fucking cool. Archeage is literally Nexus but built on a better engine. I was so excited for it since I played Nexus for years. When Trion launched it I was the 2nd person on my server to become a pirate. I murdered so fucking many of my own faction I spent hundreds of hours in jail playing soccer with the other scum fucks. When I was finally exiled and set off on my raft to pirate island I was so happy. I landed on pirate island and saw someone was already there! It was a person from the opposing faction. We danced and tried to talk to each other but for some fucking reason they decided to make faction chat stay even after getting exiled from it. So we used emotes to talk and went to claim a farm spot. We ran to the area designated for creating your farm and was shocked to find EVERY FUCKING PLOT WAS ALREADY TAKEN!!! The fucking bots in the game had just teleported and claimed it all on day 1 I guess. So we were fucked and couldn't even farm our own island. Instead we got on a raft and sailed around and tried to attack both factions when we came across them. It was fun, but not having a way to farm really fucked us. Then Trion decided to release the new continent even though the entire community on the forums was complaining about bots scooping up every plot the second it opened up. I wrote multiple posts detailing the issue with bots and how you can't even report them because they sit under the terrain and instantly buy the plot before people can even click on it. If they released the new territory it would just be a repeat and all of us actual players would get fucked over again. Trion ignored everyone and did it anyways, and as expected the bots got it all again. I lost my fucking shit and wrote a "strongly" worded post showing screenshots and shit of the whole ordeal to Trion. The next day I went to log in and found that my account had been banned! What the fuck?! I went to the website to access my account and I couldn't. Trion had an automated email sent to me saying I was banned for harassment. A fucking PERMA ban too, not a temporary ban. I tried to appeal it and was ignored. I was so fucking mad I never played it again, still haven't, never will no matter who owns it. It is a damn shame that XLgames keeps letting shitters publish their game. Trion was fucking trash. Gamigo is fucking trash. And Kakao is also fucking trash. Kakao sucked ass at publishing Black Desert, even though Pearl Abyss is just as shit or worse. Elyon is trash. Holy fucking shit.

Looking forward to that documentary when you've got it ready! Good work as always.

I was in the Kakao discord 24/7 up untill this fresh start release, and was pondering a great deal how every company manages to fuck everything up so bad with this game. The red flags were everywhere. I'm starting to think AA has a reputation for being THE game to buy and launch as a quick cash grab, because people will always come back. The game has so many unique mechanics, and it can really get you addicted. A lot of dumb shit has been added to the game, but underneath all the bullshit lies a masterpiece, and there will always be optimists coming back to see if something has improved. Nothing will ever improve, because that's not the goal anymore. Nobody is this incompetent. They know exactly what they're doing. It's just a cash grab.

Such a good game ruined by greed and incompetence, I had such good memories of playing this game with friends and guildies pirating people all day and doing pvp and worldbosses, this really had the potential to be one of the top pvp games out there but every step along the way whoever has been handling Archeage has fucked it, whether its the RNG, the million and one messed up things they did on the cash shop, the rumbling Archeum trees that made so many players quit, the exploits, the lack of communication, limiting arena entries, adding set times to world bosses and other catering to the carebears, the terrible support, fresh start servers, releasing a separate Archeage (Unchained) I hope they do better with AA2 and I will play AA2 but if I am real with myself I know they will fuck it up too.

bro every time I see cryyfuu's gameplay I tear abit I'm glad u showcase his gameplay every now and then

It's sad. My friends agree the most fun we've ever had in an MMO was the few months spent in the AA pre-launch Beta. It was amazing fun, then it launched and went to fucking hell immediately.

Did not even know they shat this out again. Thing is, when it first came out (the very first time) it was actually good but it turned criminally unfun and pay to even enjoy

omg Cryfuu footage! i miss him! you and him were the only people i would watch for MMO news

Jake Song has had a very checkered development history post Linage. One of the many developers who was in the right place at the right time, 2.5 decades ago and failed to have any follow up successes. Anytime a lauded developer from the "good ol days" pops up it should be looked at with a sideways glance, not blind adoration...

Kakao didn't dealt with Dailies and Alts abuse, Archeage failing again was expected.

Merry X-mas Kira!! Love from NZ bro.

No rollback means the economy is fucked. When something like this happened in osrs they rollbacked the servers. This happened like 2s in a few months.

I was trying to hope against hope that somehow THIS time it wouldn't be fucked. I feel like you've summed it up very well with how it SHOULD have been something but it just is continually bent over and fucked for a quick buck without regard to the playerbase or game quality.

I dunno why people don't like subscription models. It's always been the fairest way to support a game you like in my opinion.

Have faith! This is only..the...fourth attempt?

It's so sad that this game wasn't owned by a good company I really liked this game, had a tidal house at sanddeep for fishing and had some chill or not so that chill fishing nights with the guild. The pvp was fun, the banter was fun, and having vehicles was awesome to flex on people. My only problem with the game was being a 28h full job to be competitive.

It was a good time. Merry Christmas Kira!

Kira i love you and the coverage you do please dont ever stop. I would also like you to look in the Archeage discord and jsut see the level of hate/toxic/arguing going on for literally the last 48 hours. they have had to put post on a 10 minutes time break and CM wont even acknowledge anymore whats goin gon its wild

Thanks for the video! :) Explains some things I didnt understand regarding what people were doing.

God I love these timely Kira news videos

And MERRY XMAS to you Kira! HOHOHO!

Channel coming along nicely sir

I miss Cry. Was always a down to earth dude. I've been waiting for one of your review rants for archege. Was not disappointed. I almost decided to give kakao a chance to play AA again. But after all those burns and scars i have from Archeage . i couldn't scar myself anymore. So glad i passed this time AA just needs to be retired.

Archeage is redefining the phrase "History repeats itself". Lol I still can't believe people fell for it a third time!

Cursed MMO. Thanks for all the news on MMOs. Merry Christmas

There was a time before OG ArcheAge , when Early Access members could play on the ONE Beta server ....................... Those first few months of beta was magic ! It was ArcheAge at its very best! Before any cash shop , future still filled with soooo much promise!

People only prefer F2P and B2P simply because it sounds great on the surface. They don't stop to consider how it impacts the game. They get you invested in a game that will cost you an arm and a leg. Sigh...

What games like Archage, WoW, Destiny or Mass Effect taught me over the years: Once you as a player don't trust the developers to act in the best interest of the game anymore, move on. Stop playing. Any minute you spend from then on forward is a minute of your lifetime you don't get back.

Gave up on mmos within the last few years. They all (with a couple exceptions) just feel so gimmicky/predatory/low effort/same aesthetic. I can't tell most apart these days until you open the cash shop.

I really have to say, that old adage remains: If something online is free, then you're the product. Whether that be through relatively straightforward yet monetarily predatory cash shops, the selling of user data, or nefarious means such as malicious software. Everyone should always remember, until society radically rechanges its philosophy and function, there's no such thing as a free lunch. And this applies to the gaming sphere more by the day.

Ngl exactly the same issue that's happening with whole nations, nut just some game. A company or group of people, putting something in place that causes problems, then show a draconian solution while all involved are screwed with nobody able to be held liable for harm done because of bad deals.

wait, is the matrix glitching? I swear I've heard of this exact thing happening a few years ago? not sure if the same game/publisher, but from what I remember, they threatened the exploiters with band unless they buy a LOT of ingame currency before a two day deadline or something like that.

Funniest thing is that when Gamigo made a pay to win game they at least collected money for it. Majority of people play kakao version for free for the first month. So they cocked themselves super hard :D

I'll always remember watching a boat dragged along by harpoon across the plains during the very first closed beta

Archeage was amazing when it first released. I loved it and to this day my best mmo memories are from the early days of Archeage, sadly I haven't played in years. I know I never will again and thats sad. I had hoped this release might turn out better.

MMOs have destroyed themselves by going down to the lowest common denominator. Nobody's willing to play subscription MMOs any more, but that's the only model that allows you to create a decent game that isn't beholden to whales. We get the MMOs we deserve, which is all the P2W junk that everyone complains about but actually secretly prefer, judging by actual play patterns.

As someone who's casually played Archeage for years, I've only this to say to anyone planning to try it out or come back. The game is broken at it's core. Sure Archeage's unique systems sound fun on paper, but pay to win, toxicity, trolling, and a bad new player experience are built into the game's design and can't be separated.

Ah Archeage! I remember trying to install the Korean client just to play it before the international release. Then watching the slow death throughout the years. RIP Archeage

I dont play MMOs, tried a few but never got into them. However I love your videos, very well made and structured and entertaining even though I don't know much about the specific games you're talking about.

This game was so, so promising when it first came out. I remember being in awe at the possibilities for play.

"tHiS iS gOnNa Be OnE oF tHe ToP mMoS iN a FeW mOnThS" Some idiots that now owe me money.

I haven't played Archeage in over 5 years and I'm having a blast on Kyrios tbh

had the best time of my life during an MMO (beta and early launch days) of OG AA but it went to shit afterwards. I could look past labor restrictions and gear "blowing up" but the way they monetized it was far too awful and with the recent updates it's not something you'd want anymore. Nothing matter but the dailies/weeklies and upgrading "Haram" gear. That makes it hard to catch up and not fun for new players. After the slaughter of trading stuff it's awful and garbage. It had great potential but it didn't live up to its hype at all

How surprising. I didn't bother to transfer my OG characters from the "good old days".

Man, imagine Archeage without labor and P2W. This game would be so fking sick even today. I love naval, courts, packs and stuff so much

Great content as always! Random question, with the truly sweet music you usually have with your videos, what kinds of artists do you listen to?

I deleted my account after they swapped to subscription on Unchained. Whole reason I started playing Unchained is so I could buy it once, and not have to continue paying and paying and paying. Seems that deleting was the correct choice.

Nice man you covered it. Thanks!

The title is the funniest thing I have ever seen. Good shit man lol

Kakao made some great changes for this fresh start, and alot of them were really really good. They gave us gated content,fixed RMTing for the first week with limiting trade and auction house, so they didnt completely fail. But i even messaged the community managers about giving out the free items with codes and i even gave them a walkthrough on how this could get exploited and i got ignored and told "That wont happen". 2 weeks later the same exploits and abuse i gave them a walkthrough about happened exactly the same way i explained to them. At this point ive played every fresh start since the archeage closed beta original launch. Every single time i have tried to help the developers,CM's and the game on how to fix the game and avoid exploits. I know every single dirty trick in the book and how to do them, but everytime it gets ignored when i give them the warning/walkthrough/explanation. Its rough to see.

I share your frustration. When this game first came to the west, I was one of the people who bought the $150 collector's account. I quit the game after a month, but I ended up getting most of my money back with that class-action lawsuit against the company. I think my share was $98.

You know it's bad when they managed to handle the game worse than Gamigo. Although it doesn't surprise me too much considering how they treated BDO and recently Elyon.

If people keep falling for the same shit over and over again, at some point there's nobody to blame but themselves. Like you said, the game's a poisoned chalice...and yet people keep lining up to drink from it and wonder why they keep getting sick.

In a perfect world, people would work for what they have and we would've had nice things. But this is not a perfect world, dishonest people will exploit and the devs should've been prepared for this.

Can’t wait to see the documentary style peace!

The second thunderstruck trees popped up in the original release, I was gone and never looked back.

I played AAU when it was initially launched and got to enjoy a brief surreal experience for the first 100 hours, ignoring all the exploits going on and just happily exploring and making illegal farms. Overtime, pvp became more and more relevant and that's when the exploiting and problems really began to affect my experience. I am proud I grinded it out to end game and made nice videos of my time with friends, but the overall experience was intense and borderline abusive and I will never fall back to this trap. This game isn't really for casuals and all the more reason why exploits like this are hella troubling.

The footage in the background is from a retired youtuber called Cryy. I miss his content. Cryy, on the absolute off chance you see this, thanks for all the good shit. Hope you're good, mate

Yooo. Gameplay footage from my boy Cryy. Aw man I'm sad now. I miss that man. :(

This reminds me of when City of Heroes put in a mission architect system for player generated dungeons, then threatened to ban people for using them to power level because they were way more rewarding than any other content.

To be fair.. At the original launch (at least in western countries), the game was effed from the first second, with their 3 day early access being literally unplayable, as their servers couldn't hold the amount of people that had bought the packs. I personally stopped after only being able to play for 10 minutes that weekend. Those 10 minutes were full of lag and rubberbanding, which continued 2-3 weeks into the games launch.

This reminds me of the experience exploit in WoW where you could infinitely stack the +10% experience potion. I didn’t use it, but people got banned anywhere from 24 hour to 30 day bans. A company needs to be consistent in dealing with exploiting, because it will set a precedent to dealing with unforeseen problems. The way the company dealt with this problem was outrageous. If I got suspended for doing something due to their negligence; that would be it for me.

its so great how everyone is shitting on kakao instead of shitting on the people that exploited.... I dont care if they created a way to exploit....its the people that decided to say fuck you to the rest of us that should be getting flak for this...just because you can...doesnt mean you should

I always love fresh starts on this game, early open world pvp, people with the same gear battling it out is great. The game lasts until 3 weeks in, then you see the classic exploiting bullshit arise, people using alts for major advantages, people buying gold etc. It's sad because when playing it you see the potential but, the systems within the game promote using alts. I enjoy the fresh starts, I always go in with the expectations of this is a 3 week game now, the game is not long term as is, gear difference gets too big and gear is everything in this game. The top 250, maybe even 500 are using alts, most of them rmting and all of them definitely exploited. But as archeage players like to say, exploit early, and exploit often. We've always seen no repercussions so people will keep doing it. I feel bad for the legit players who try to play this game longterm because it will always end up the same shitty way. Can't wait for every to be double the gearscore of others in a week or so when one of the content gates are lifted. I had my fun pvping in halcy on the first day and aegis on the second and third, but thats it for me. See you guys on the next one.

Very well put. Tragedy what has happened to this game and the MMO community.

Merry Christmas ! I hope you're having a good time.

You cant really do a buy once type mmo. These games have massive upkeep costs. I'm not saying that most publishers arent greedy af, but we need to set realistic expectations. If you dont want to put money into the game continuously, then the company will make sure someone picks up the slack.

Archage and I had a very, very abusive, toxic relationship years ago. When I finally got over the investment-guilt and quit for good... it felt amazing; it literally felt like I finally broke that which shackled me to my pc. No more dailies, no more power creeping. Many memories from my time spent in the game still hold a special place in my heart, though.

No mention of the missing items like BD/Kraken gliders that were compensated by 800 credits but good video overall.

I think i predicted that this game would fail yet again, in one of your previous vids about ArcheAge when they announced that Kakao would be taking over the game. I love it when publishers prove me right 😆

Said it on your last video on this game, if anyone trusts Kakao at this point it's their own fault. At what point is some of this churn in the video game space the consumers' fault? It is incumbent upon people SPENDING MONEY to not be complete morons and stop buying things from a company that continues to not have their best interests in mind.

The weird thing is that the game itself is fucking awesome and all the failures are due to bad management. I can't remember when I had a more wholesome and true MMO experience as when AA launched the first time. Maybe back when I played eq1 as an 11 year old

3:08 My biggest gripe with MMORPGs is this right here: the screen is too damn cluttered! There's so much stuff on the screen to keep track of, and this isn't even in combat etc. You have dozens of icons, that you have to remember the meaning of constantly, while focusing on everything else. It's too much. Meanwhile, Skyrim, a regular RPG, has the most minimalist HUD I've ever seen.

MMOs NEED to be Sub Based. If the style and genre and systems of a game don't make you willing to pay a Sub, then it's not the game for you in the first place. I know people see that as some sort of gate keeping, but the F2P model is a LOT of the reasons that the MMO genre finds it's self in the place it does today (a garbage fire, if you hadn't been paying attention.) [Side Note: +1 for using Cryy B-Roll]

Anyone know that outro song? Maybe I'm mistaken but it sounds awfully familiar; I just can't place it.

Damn, I remember so well when this game was about to launch because the hype in my gaming community was out of control. I didn’t buy in, I’d already been burned hard 2 or 3 times before that, but the amount of disappointment within the first few weeks was palpable (very similar to another mmo that dropped recently…)

You successfully spoke to the speedrunner in me with that title

When I saw they delayed the initial launch and then posted their cash shop in the next post, I knew it was not worth my time. ArcheAge and Asheron's Call IPs both need good home with a team(s) that will do them some justice.

I really thought they were going to do their best to advertise archeage 2 well😭, merry christmas

Imagine if this game got as much love as FF14 by the devs or publishers! It could really be good, but that doesn't seem like it's ever going to happen.

Sad. I was hoping Archeage could get a little breather so we could remember the good ol times while waiting and hoping for Archeage 2 not being shit I still stand that the Labor system is a good thing if done correctly, my experience from private server, where you had lot more labor and multiacc was banned, Labor system resulted in you doing your daily labor burn and then going to pvp, chat, do events, have fun some people wouldn't do the labor burn and instead slowly fish their labor away (fishing in Archeage was actually really well made, unlike any other MMO in existence) or do other activities if Labor is properly limited (no multiacc) and isn't too scarce to let people do what they like not forcing them to math the sht out of it, it works like a great system to limit the work player does in game while allowing for different styles and time usage while keeping everyone in a specific range of progress

Archeage was the only MMO I have ever been able to play and enjoy. I have tried dozens of MMOs and get bored after the first hour or two. Archeage I was able to play about 6 months with a friend of mine back in 2015 and we loved it! But, after about 6 months he moved onto another game with other friends, I let my membership expire with the game, and I haven't looked at it since. I still love the soundtrack though.

I play AA Legacy. The worst of the abuse was on Unchained, but it exists on both iterations of AA. As Kakao stated these exploits are their highest priority, and have resulted in banned accounts. In the meantime, systems have broken down since Kakao took over, and that is NOT being addressed. I do not know what is happening in AAU, but Legacy is in real trouble. UI not working, patrons not receiving offline labor, broken quests, quests in Korean, missing items and instances kicking players for no discernable reason. CMs in discord tell us that they have passed the info on. Crickets from Kakao. Despite all of this, Archeage is a game with so many features, it is hard to beat in scope. I have friends who have worked with me, to develop and grow as a team, and the thought of giving up now, is just sad. I really, really thought Kakao was here to save us. So very disappointed and disheartened.

I remember back at launch a lot of people jumped over from Mabinogi and called it the better game and how it would replace it. While that game has it's flaws, its still somehow going strong under Nexon all these years compared to Archeage.

For me, I see it as a two way street. Kakao messed up big on this one...but at the same time I can't help feel that the community (or parts of it) are part of the reason why we don't have nice things.

played this game since it's closed beta, stopped after I bought AA: unchained advertised a one-time purchase only for them to suddenly implement a sub model. It had such great potential and its honestly so depressing having to watch it just go further and further downhill til we ended up here. Coulda been such a great game once but now I don't think it's salvageable.

Incompetence aside, this time around there is a fundamental difference. They are actually punishing those exploiting and destroying the game. These very same people had done so on every single fresh start and it was about time someone did anything about it. Also bear in mind that it was not “everyone” that exploited and abused this issue (not to mention that the website weakness required at least some coding understanding which the majority of the player base did not have). It was the same few people that did so in the past, did now, and would do again on any fresh start. Therefore, unlike the predecessors that gave absolutely zero cakes whether someone was using game breaking bugs and exploits (why would they care, this would only incentivise people to spend more money in the in-game shop in order to compete), we are actually seeing something different. From my experience there were 3 categories of people/players in AA: 1) Exploiters. These were allowed to roam free in order to boost toxicity and the feeling of “unfairness” which has been proven to push the rest of the people to use the ingame cash shop in order to be able to compete. 2) Whales. These care little about the exploits, and they will keep sinking money into the game no matter the circumstances. 3) Those that actually try to play the game legitimately and without using the cash shop (which is around 90% of the total pop). These are the people that had been abused time and again by both the exploiters, whales and ofc the publisher’s unwillingness to do a single thing to control Number 1 and 2. It is no surprise that after a few months, the player base would dwindle to that of 10% of the original, since all that was left was exploiters and whales. Number 3 would had at that point quit the game. And here we are today, that despite this unprecedented fk up, those quitting first are the whales AND the EXPLOITERES! I have honestly never seen more salt on a public forum about people’s accounts being banned. In a sense I do understand them. They had been conditioned over the years to know that not abusing an exploit it would lead to FOMO as you correctly said. Although not ideal, I am happy that they banned and will keep banning people out of this game for engaging in such activities.

Couldn’t they make it so that stuff you receive from daily logins and codes cannot be traded? Even mobile games have concepts of “tradable” and “non-tradable.”

Played two betas. Played at launch. Had a great guild on Dahuta/EU. We had lots of land in Solzreed. Best time I've spent in an MMO. It's a damn shame.

Oh my god this is so similar to when Kakao was still publishing BDO and we had the afaru map scandal . Mate you need to talk to TimAllen1337 about this shit it was absolutely wild

Imagine how different Kira’s comments-section would be if every moonbro & mmo-acolyte accepted that having different perspectives is OK 😂

So when Kakao was still but publisher of BDO, they had a similar issue where you would get these scrolls that drop high quality loots for being a new account that you would do as a guild. They also had the free accounts during this time. So guilds capitalized this by creating unlimited accounts and feeding the scrolls to the guild they were in which their main could then go do. Most of those players never really saw any kind of punishment save a few perma bans when there were many people that did this, and a negative cm balance. Kind of par for the course with KK

It was a great concept but has soo many flaws. Sad... Merry X-Mas to you btw. Stay healthy

how is it RMT if all the alt ACC was free to start and where did all the code come form? it seem like a lot of work and get ban for trying to push pass player's who play fair or try to have fun. vs some one who feel it a job to be in the top 50 rank's

Seeing the 8 alt family land acros my land was sad to see. they havent dropped any bans sadly.

Jake Song: Guys I think we must scrap labour system and player to player trade for Archeage 2.

Everything is the player's responsibility now. If something feels unintended. Nowadays the cash shop feels the only intended thing in a game.