DOUBLE DECEPTION How many takes did I go through? Trick montages also won't reveal this. I did one warm-up set to determine my gap. The shots done in the first half were done in a single take. The shots done at the end were done in a single take, but after one failed attempt in which 3 arrows went off the gold, and two off-centre shots at the end were also removed. Again, it's easy to make yourself look good with the right editing.
Technically you could take a first-day beginner and remove all the non-golds after each end until you have all arrows in the 10 ring. Might take a while but it's "photo worthy" when you're done, even if it's a total lie.
@Rad Derry Very good shooters (worlds best class) tend to target a bit off from their arrows in the target at low distances, because otherwise they would destroy their arrows most of the time. GIven that a single arrow for competitions can cost easily around 50 Euro / 50 Dollar, this is due to the immense cost. And in the life of an archer, you are mostly guaranteed to do a "Robin Hood Shot" at least one time. It is just the immense number of arrows shot that results in a lucky "hit your own arrow". An Beginner to Advanced archer shoots around 60 to 80 Arrows twice a week - that's a huge number in ones life.
@Rad Derry I think those extremely expensive arrows can only be used by the best of the world. A normal user wouldn't feel a difference. But not every profi archer uses them? I don't know. I only know that arrows can be quite expensive. It is about consistency and the faster the arrow flies, the less it is exposed to wind and other factors. To get the last 2% more energy you pay such a high price. For the terminology I must apologize. I am native german and don't know the correct english words. Well, I am shooting olympic recurve. I have to hold 28 pounds of force and a bow with a weight of around 2kg with only one completele stretched arm for around 10 seconds per arrow. Given I am not trained at all (never done any sports, working in software developing) this is no wonder. I would really like to go shooting more often, but I only have so much time. :-(
I actually hate when I hit my own arrow, it's one less arrow that day, an arrow I have to replace. If I wanted to waste my ammo I'd be shooting guns lol
For everyone here, guns, bows, and crossbows all have their own strengths and weaknesses and each is useful in a different situation. A bow is a relatively short range weapon with fairly non-consumable ammunition, a crossbow is a little bit more advanced and can be more accurate at longer ranges and achieve more power at the cost of price and higher likelihood that the bolt may break or become damaged, guns are more accurate and longer range but are loud and expensive to shoot and buy. Not speaking of legal issues with using certain weapons in certain areas, each one has their own use and situation to be used in.
You break arrows when you hit them? I've slapped my arrows many times and the only wear and tear are from the feathers which is cheap and easy to replace
Well said!... I teach archery at a local High school and I have had students who become very frustrated after two or three classes (1 hr. class, two times a week,) because they feel as though they “Just can’t get it”. They watch a lot of RU-vid videos…. Or television and they see either the deliberate deception or don’t understand that “Camera Angle and Angular Perspective” can be very deceptive! Today's kids live in an “Instant World” … and if they don’t obtain accuracy immediately… they are convinced that there is something wrong with them… and often times want to give up! Thankfully… None of my students have given up… and have now achieved a “certain “level of proficiency! I will be showing them this RU-vid video in class this next week! Donnie
how about you teach them how archery works so they get a more intricate and complex picture ? elevate the from the stupidity of dunner kruger effect , physics, euler , hooke``s law , bio mechanics,etc
@@mortenjacobsen5673 Already on it.... sort of.... ;-) We started off just having fun... some of the students were very happy with that... while others wanted more! As they progressed... and began realize that their shooting abilities were in a direct relationship with the effort they put in........ they began asking more and more technical questions... and I am taking them just as deep as they want to go!!!! I have (5) five students that just can't get enough of the intricacies of archery. and are absolutely eating it up... while the others are pretty happy with socializing with other students and having fun! This video that NUSensei has made created really backs up what they students are slowly learning for themselves!!!!
@@mortenjacobsen5673 They are kids... you cant expect them to think like an adult. They live in a world of microwave ovens and jet planes... (you can now boil water in 45 seconds and get on a plane in Oregon and be in New York in 5 hours....) The world that we are giving them is all about "Speed and Convenience".... and I think this is one of the main reason so many are drawn to Compound Bows. (Half the Practice... and twice the accuracy.) Traditional Archery is about "Discipline" and "Time Spent Developing a Skill Set".... Archery in itself goes against what the majority of the world is striving for. I'm just trying to get these kids out of the rut this wold is creating for them to fall into! ;-)
@@donnie-sherrieclinton9457 id bet they know how a plane works and you til have to spend time in flight and that a compound requires different skill sets like learning to only drive an automatic transmission
This is also why archers tend to remain unimpressed by trick shooters. It looks impressive to an outsider but to us we know how easy it is. This is why you'll see the "archery community" seem to slam certain performers because they DO deliberately mislead people into thinking that they have superhuman skills when realistically I can have a total novice hitting those shots in a couple of hours.
You caught me, I'd already hit reply before the very end. Considering that I've just spent the morning doing the Gao Ying practice at around 1m maybe I should have taken photos and posted them showing my awesome grouping.
And then when those trick shooters claim "I can teach you this skill in one day" they say it as if it was a display of "I'm an awesome teacher" rather than "It's simply quite easy".
@@Tennouseijin This is precisely, again, why Lars is overrated. The current trend is his fans yelling about how he worked on Robin Hood, but months of training Taron Egerton and he can hit discs at 3 metres and shoot a single arrow while doing a little hop. None of these skills were used during production.
@@NUSensei To be honest, my approach to watching movies is - wait a dacade or two after the release, then see which movies are still considered must-watch classics. And maybe find some time to watch at least a few of those. So my knowledge about this particular Robin Hood movie is near zero, other than what I heard from a few youtubers.
Camera angle can't disguise arrow flight time. That's what I look for when trying to get an estimation of range. And if the archer walks to target to extract arrow, count steps. There are many who like to embellish the truth.
This hits home for me. My range has 20m, 30, 50, 60 and 70. Going from 20 to 30 was quite a drastic change. At 20m I can get a decent grouping by just adjusting the arrow tip. I was doing a million other things inconsistently, but never noticed. But at 30, I felt you need to be much more aware of draw length/anchoring, finger release, bow tension, trajectory. I even adjust for arrow weight and air resistances as I sometimes switch to shoot wooden flu-flu's.
A 30 meter group will be 3 times as big as a 10 meter group. I feel like nice solid numbers are useful, instead of vaguely saying longer distances will have bigger groups. The math here is that simple.
Thank you Nu! I have the hardest time explaining to people that it isn't hard, and I am not even very awesome. The place I live is SO dominated by compound archers though that people literally get scared off by not having a scope on a trad bow. This should really help.
Lars Andersen is impressive. He shoots accurately and quickly while moving, both hands, several techniques, no anchor, no nock point, no arrow rest, arrow from the right side etc.
I was hoping in the latter half you would show how small an olympic target looks at 70m WITHOUT a misleading camera angle / close up shot - i.e taken with a lense with no zoom at eye level, looking the same as it would to the naked eye. Otherwise, nice video as always :)
On RU-vid is a video titled "The Antient Scorton Silver Arrow 2016" (old spelling, not a typo) which is not my video (though I am in it) showing shooting at 100 yards (91.44 metres.) Every non-archer I have showed it to commented on how tiny the targets were, and that's using the 122cm large target faces.
Target Sizes: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2RPpdVxffEM.html Same size comparison in the War Archers video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-n2HJwTVg5LM.html
Ok so what bow would you choose the bear takedown or the black wolf (rcx-17). Love your videos btw they are really educational but at the same time very interesting.
Ok, so, I think that you have touched upon a subject that, in my opinion, is neglected by far too many of us (as in people in general), and that is "responsibility", which implies, that you perceive yourself accountable, at least to yourself, for what you teach. I realize, this may seem an odd post to people reading this. I just felt the need to do so. Keep up the good job
Excellent reality check for those of us who watch archers on film! Remember the old Hollywood shorts from the 30's and 40's. Lots of takes and retakes and tricks of the camera angle, no doubt...
Thank you for all the advice in these videos. I recently started back up instinctive shooting with my Great Grandpas old recurve. I wish there was some one in my area who could help and give me some pointers.
I really like your videos, and, as a beginner, I'm learning a lot from you. I find it hard to understand how recurve archers shoot outdoors from seventy meters, and compound archers shoot from fifty meters (at a smaller target). I would have thought the more powerful compound bow would shoot at targets further away than the recurve archers. Keep up the great work. Trevor.
I watched a couple matches shooting at 70 meters (76.55 yards) in Antalya (Turkey) with the best archers in the world (via YT). Open air. Coastal area. Changing wind force and direction frequently because of that. One archer shot 10s with a couple Xs, missed the clue from the flag indicating wind force and direction changing and shot an 8. As Sensei says, 70 meters is a big distance and the awareness only sinks in when the camera zooms out to the angle of view of an archer, looking out from where the archers have to shoot.
I learned this when starting out and having so much confidence at 10-15 yards in my backyard, then being humbled very fast at 30 yards. 20 yards is not twice as difficult as 10 yards, it is like 4x as difficult.
That is like a lot of people say I'm a great shot or whatnot, with my rifles; but I get first time shooters shooting the same targets as consistently in no time. The key is having the sights set properly for that distance, the technique isn't as critical as most think, for the type of shooting I do. Of course, those that flinch need a bit of extra help.
I've been shooting for a few months now and the distance is really what makes your arrows miss. At ten metres, all in the gold, no problem. But twenty or thirty metres? I just can't wait for my own bow to arrive. Shooting with matching arrows and revealing, step by step, the faults in my technique...it is already thrilling now. The emotional reward for hitting a good shot is priceless.
Tried archery yesterday for an hour hit half of em in the bulls. I feels that pros would hit like 15m with good grouping at ease. So those clips that hitting lotta bulls at 10m don't feel impressive at all. I mean I've never touch a bow in my life and like nearly half landed in that circle. I also think that 10m is just right for the circle(like increase the distance and the circle will be (super) smaller and harder to aim). I dont think that I can even hit the 6 ring if its 20m but it's a fun sport gonna watch more vids and learn about it some more.
I was shooting from 50m-ish today with a barebow, I had a 40cm hanging target cube and could only guess if I overshoot or undershoot from that distance. At that distance milimeters of string walking made the difference between hit or miss, but even misses were close groupings and it was much more fun than shooting from 20m or something
"At shorter distances, the arrow doesn't have time to deviate" Same principle applies in billiards. At shorter distances, the cue ball usually hits the object ball before it goes off line.
Using gap aiming I was getting most of my shots in his yellow ring at 10m my second day out. The problem you’re talking about though is distances look so so much farther on screen.
Coming from a firearm target shooting background, I had a leg up on many of the other beginner archers in my class in understanding the need for consistency, POA, POI and the whatnot, so I started getting pretty tight groups at short range fairly quick and some saw this as being a greater feat that I would consider it. Not that it isn't fun to occasionally just drill the gold at short range, I generally go for a much smaller MOA at that range and, while my misses may be close to each other, I am aware that my small misses would be much larger at longer range. Now, it doesn't hurt that while I shoot a recurve there's a guy that's pinpoint accurate at that range with a hunting compound bow, so we both tend to shoot for multiple small bullseyes vs the single target like the rest of the class.
yeah, the camera that is filming on big sports even are using a long focal lenght lens with meaning, so the public can see the target better while seeing the archer att the same time. The same reason the moon looks so small on your phone (a smaller focal length/wide angle lens) , when you use like a 600-800mm lens the picture get so compressed (objects far away gets bigger in relative to objects closer to the camera).
As a traditional asiatic horse bow user, I just get excited when I can hit a target 60 meters away. My bow doesn't go much farther without high drawing haha!
Hmm my eyes...or youtube... may decieve me but it looks like all of your arrows are getting a kick to the nock by your shelf. Nocking point too low? Just my 2ct. :D
no.. push up uses boody weight for resistance so the potential is limited , pull ups dont work the muscles in same direction required by archery witch are the trapezius , rhomboid, pectorals, deltoids , triceps and the forearm flexors , rowing exorcises is the best option
Depends on the arrow. He has many that he's shown. The most expensive arrow shafts are $500-600 a dozen, the cheapest are around $40-60. The extra stuff (fletching, point, nock) on the arrow isn't too much more, cost wise.
I shoot instinctive and can't even imagine shooting and hitting a target at 60 meters. Yes, that the camera does not show the distance very well. Much respect due to long distance shooters.
Dale, I shoot instinctive as well and 60 meters is more than do-able. I believe any of us can do it and would happily offer advice on your shooting if you would like.
You might point out that my form was so bad I literally summoned the devil and my hand dropped so bad God herself cried... ... but i still hit the same spot.
@@j0gi In order to shoot at 70 m you will need a 40 pounds or more bow. Mine is only 28 pounds and it is good for 30 meters, not more. I´ve not tried 70 m just yet. I am not that good (I am a beginner); I am afraid of killing one bird or two if I try!! ;-))
Good video, agree, if people want to impress at 10 meters, do it fast shooting against a moving target, especially hunters, if you cant hit a tennis ball at 10 meters, please practice more before you start throwing arrows at animals.
The sad thing is that some some of us we are stuck shooting short distances especially when the range is closed. (How big are most garages or backyards?) I often wonder if shooting at close distance at home is doing more harm than good in terms of learning to aim because it does not translate to real shooting at the range, but I keep at it because it at least keeps my back and shoulders used to pulling the bow.
What is your target backing made from? Robin Hooding is annoying, not impressive (to me). I've only done it once so far and it usually wrecks the bottom arrow.
@@BooDamnHoo the way I did it has worked great so far. The big chequered plastic bags with the zipper that you see around the salvos bins? I put 2 jigsaw mats in one of those, one each side, then filled the middle with scrap shrink wrap and other self healing plastics. Crammed it in tight, reinforced the seams with duct tape as I went. Hung the bag from a PVC pipe frame with removable legs for transport ( I have to shoot on a friends property) I have had to tape up the bag a few times, and I'll soon have to put the whole bag in a new bag, but it works a treat.
The Topoint R2 Kit: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--r-vXkrI-WM.html Basically, the arrows were far too soft, and the rest malfunctioned. The arrows failed to clear the bow and went everywhere due to rear-end contact. Note that I tested the bow in a follow-up video with proper arrows and it functioned fine. The kit basically sucked if you got it at a higher draw weight, since the arrows no longer matched. It was a stark contrast with another review which praised it at 24#.
A " Robin Hood" should only count of fine deliberately. Shoot an arrow and then call out that you're going to hit that arrow. Like stated in the video anything else is just blind dumb luck.
Nu-Sensei Hitting all arrow: "This is not even that good!" Meanwhile me, 2 hit out of 10 arrow (not even at the center of the target: "What can I say... I have natural talent" Increase my range time, I guess T_T
Can you please tell me about your target backboard? Might be a silly question. What exactly have you stacked up there? And lifetime? I'm currently shooting hay bales.
Arrow angle. Because you are anchoring lower than the eye line, the arrow points above horizontal. If you aim straight at the target at short distance, it will go over. You are compensating for parallax.
I never shoot a bow but a Crossbow once and I always wondered why she is so much flipping out when she hits the close target 3 times in a row. Even with a crossbow I had problems when not even doubling the distance.
Using the point of aim is a very good way to teach beginners starting out. If a new beginner is given a site it is not easy to do the form and focus on the site. Once the shooter has a good form, and achieving a good group using the point of aim/gap shooting - then introduce the site. When at a certain distance with point of aim and the pin for that designated distance match, then don't use the point of aim, use the site pin for that distance. If a shooter tries to set the pin without point of aim first, the shooter will be fiddling and diddling with the site pin each and every shot. As long as the arrows are the same weight and length a nice group can be had using the point of aim and then match the site pin. Then you can go for the 3 spot targets so the shooter won't Robin Hood an expensive arrow.
Totally agree ! If I did that when I was in practice I would hit my own arrows a great deal! at 29 each, so I shoot a target that has 5 bulls and put one in each. at 10 yards, It's not impressive! but it is fun, for a fundamental warm up!
Yep, for many other RU-vid channels, when they offer a review of anything, what we get is just a review of their ego. For a beginner, is it better to start at short range until you make perfect grouping and then take the next step, or would it be better to start at medium range? Which method would make a beginner to improve faster?
see this is why i shoot 20 to 40 meters on my youtube channel and no less with no sights on a long bow and horse bow (Except for trick shots). at least 20 plus because i agree with video, i was about to make a video on this, but u beat me to the punch, good job.
What is the backstop made of? Your instructionals are spot on mate and thank you so very much for taking the time to teach. I know personally I have learned a ton from you already and am looking forward to getting my back healed enough to launch a few long slender pointy things toward a target.
Hey mate been watching few of your vids good tips picking up a lot teaching myself obviously lol. Had a question have a cheapy recurve bow currently (no sight) my groupings are getting a lot better at 10 meters but I noticed in the video how you talk about aiming down lining your arrow tip lower which I was doing to start with but there is a place on my bow that steps out which I have been using to gauge my height which is working more consistently was wandering if it’s a bad habit to get into and I should focus more on the arrow head for height
@@thearchersparadox3292 calling them as I see them 🤷🏼♂️ at that distance chucking that many down range at one aiming point, should be stacking them and busting arrows.
@@BradleyJohnHunt agreed... Any idea what instinctive archers are shooting for score on standard nfaa blue face targets at 20 yards? I shoot 260's without Gap or string walking.... Just curious how others are doing....
When I see randomers that come to the club and look at me shoot and are excited by shoots that I consider terrible I realize how it looks from the outside, but it doesn't make me the best archer in the world unlike what they may thing at the time. The problem is the archers that think that "Well someone that doesn't understand anything about it said I'm good so I must be amazing!"
Yes, it is disgustingly out of tune. Not unintentional - even with things not matched and calibrated, this sort of accuracy is not impressive. A quarter-inch up the string might change that grouping into the X ring.
@@NUSensei I thought there was something dodgy going on, I had similar issues with my longbow when i used way too weak spine arrows, they were hitting the bow itself so hard some of them broke. Thanks for the reply though
Also - and this is knowledge I've only heard on other youtube videos - when you're hunting, you want to kill the animal as quickly as possible. The further away, the greater the chance you cause unnecessary suffering as penetrating power decreases.
Yes the penetrating power decreases, but this decrease is not to problematic (depending on the animal). The bigger problem is the aiming, you don't want to just hit the animal, you want to archive a lethal hit, preferably at the vital organs. I think that is also a reason most of those prepers (a few shown in the video) shoot at small distances, because they don't aim for getting high precision on distance, but they are trying to get trained in hitting the target at small ranges every time. And when they hunt (or need to hunt), they will try to get close to the animal and get a lethal hit from short ranges, rather then a penetrated limb at 30m
A couple things: For some reason, as a new archer, I was pleased to see in this video that you didn't shoot your bow with it perfectly vertical. I don't know why I was pleased to see this, but I seem to shoot better when I tilt the bow to the right a fair amount. The other thing is, that with gap shooting, the eye basically is the rear sight, and the arrow tip is the front sight, if I'm not mistaken. Assuming that one's eye is not capable of moving outside one's head, then arrow length would have a very substantial effect on where the arrow strikes the target. Presumably, in gap shooting using the same aiming point, a longer arrow would cause the arrow to strike relatively lower on a target than a shorter arrow, and therefore it would be best to absolutely standardize on one arrow length, n'est-ce pas? Many thanks. Oh, and one more thing, and I've noticed this in Survival Lilly's vids, you can really see in your slow-mo shot how the arrow jumps off your shelf after release and actually flies for awhile tilted downwards. Maybe someone has done a careful vid on how arrows fly off the bowshelf immediately after release as a function of nocking point, etc. I'd like to see that.
A great video. One other Archer I enjoy following is Gary Chynne. He breaks down hitting the target in a very similar manner. He describes the gap method as well. The two of you, do a great job making it understandable for an old guy like me. I shoot rifles and pistols. In order to hit effectively, you have to understand the ballistics of what it is you are shooting. You can't simply put the "cross hair" on the center of you target and expect to hit the target. Thanks again Justin
I'm new to archery but I saw Lars split an arrow in half by shooting a razor blade. Yea that's impressive to me as an newbie, is there an illusion to that as well?
Are you referring to the shot in "A New Level of Archery" where he splits an arrow against a tanto blade in the ground? If so, there is something of an illusion: he didn't successfully split the arrow. The stunt comes from Arab Archery, as stated: "You then make fore yourself full-bodied arrows with tips thicker than their steles and leave them without arrowheads. Their ends, where normally the arrowheads are fixed, should be cut straight and even without being pointed. You next take soft bow free of recurvature, fitted with a fairly thick string, and stand facing the edge of the sword squarely. If your shot be accurate, the arrow will be *split in twain* by the edge of the planted sword. " The video doesn't show what kind of arrow he used or exactly where he was standing, but one thing is certain: he did not split his arrow in two. His shot grazed the edge, which shaved off some of the shaft. Which in turn looks impressive, but at that distance and with enough takes, anyone can hit that with enough attempts. The spirit of the stunt is that an archer can be skilled enough to hit something as narrow as a sword's edge from the front, and hit it squarely so that the arrow is split in half. It's not an exceptionally hard shot to pull off, but the text amps up the challenge by stating that it can also be done on horseback at the gallop.
@@timc4765 I wouldn't go that far. Lars is legitimately skilled and can pull off amazing stunts. What undermines the wow factor is that he doesn't do tricks on demand, so some difficult shots may have taken multiple attempts. The lack of transparency makes it less impressive to the trained eye. The bigger issue with Lars is that he embellishes particular skills as being practical or combat-related, when in fact they were either purely done for exhibition or used in very niche circumstances. He does have a tendency to blur the narrative, so I suppose there are similarities, but I don't hold Lars in that much disdain to compare him to Bilzerian. The man's done his hard work and training. It's more than what he can do doesn't substantiate what he claims.
When you can knock a quarter off the top of the target at 30 yards with a traditional long bow or recurve every time let me know...I used to do it all the time as a kid when I was shooting almost every day
