Why you're NOT actually at full draw

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Let's clear up one of the most confusing parts of recurve technique.
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Many people are not sure how to move between drawing the bow and expanding through the clicker. There's a lot of contradicting advice!
Once you get to full draw you have to reach what we call "Real Full Draw" before you expand. This stage is best thought of as a change in direction. Doing this consistently will ensure you can expand smoothly and consistently on each shot. It will improve your release massively too.
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@OnlineArcheryAcademy Год назад

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@Kenko1 2 года назад

I learned from Kisik Lee's book that this slowing down is called the transfer phase, you transfer energy from pulling to wrapping elbow around.

@sancrey4730 4 года назад

This is the exact thing I was missing the ehole time. Thanks!

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 4 года назад

Awesome! Happy to help!

@valentineyau1746 2 года назад

This is a brilliant explanation. Wow, I learn something new every time I visit this channel.

@achmadyazir1039 4 года назад

Thanks! Learn something new every time I watch your videos!

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 4 года назад

Thanks!

@jonny2254 Месяц назад

Great description it’s really helped 👍

@vesasavolainen5605 3 года назад

Valuable advices! Thank you very much!

@fishhunter348 2 года назад

Really good video and you explain things very clearly, thanks!

@peterbartley9777 2 года назад

Interesting explanation. For a long time I have not really understood the division between 'Anchor' and 'Full draw'. Thanks.

@Maina-wm4ze 2 года назад

sir your knowledge are touching the i was confused about. thanks a lot. this will help us a Lot now

@Kingwilmetalhead Год назад

I've been shooting for about 6 months, just bought my own bow after using the club beginner's equipment and drastically improved. Then saw this video and tried your technique and tried it and wow I've found my form and improved even more!

@gihanilangakoon 2 месяца назад

Vitally important tip. Will work on it.

@lebondave4377 4 года назад

Excellent video, thank you!

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 4 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@namibfox67 4 года назад

Excellent explanation, thank you

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 4 года назад

Thank you! Glad you liked it!

@MrCusco19 4 года назад

Very useful explanation...Thanks a lot!

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 4 года назад

Thank you! :)

@MONKLJ 3 года назад

I like the feeling of squeezing the inside of the elbow concept, to bring everything into straight alignment with the arrow.

@dumilegugushe7523 7 месяцев назад

So helpful. Thank you.

@HephyOnYT 4 года назад

Super Usefull for a beginner and an intermidiate archer I found this really interesting Keep it up dude 👍

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 4 года назад

Thanks so much :) I'm really happy it helps out! Will do!

@maralshuriqi 4 года назад

Nicely explained!

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 4 года назад

Thank you :)

@thomascoleman7396 3 года назад

great video as always, thanks Ashe

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 3 года назад

No worries! Thanks for watching Thomas!

@gordonallison1055 3 года назад

really well explained

@joelgamez712 4 года назад

Real good information thank you awesome channel

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 4 года назад

Thanks so much - I appreciate it :)

@robertopasquini9776 Месяц назад

you are good my friend!

@micheldewijs6054 4 года назад

Good explanation thanks a lot

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 4 года назад

You're welcome :) Glad it could help :)

@robertopasquini9776 Месяц назад

You are good my friend

@uncleremus5046 4 года назад

To me it’s the feeling of getting into my back @ anchor. Then committing if all good & going into my final expansion till shot breaks.

@RogueArcheryTV 4 года назад

Love it mate 👍

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 4 года назад

Thanks man :)

@ianbarnes1406 2 года назад

I think I just discovered this today after shooting for 20 years. I was experimenting with Co.ing through my clicker but continuing to the point where I felt I was at max extension. Added about half an inch to my draw length. I really struggle with my bow shoulder collapsing and getting fatigued before the end of a 6 dozen round, so I'm hoping this will help with my shoulder issues.

@Doorbear77 4 года назад

A while ago I was trying to explain this elbow movement to a young lady on a beginners course and she said "Oh, you mean like trying to chin someone who's standing behind you?" It seemed to work for her! Great video, as always - many thanks.

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 4 года назад

Haha! That's a good way of thinking about it too! :) Thanks for watching!

@goodyKoeln 4 года назад

Just wondering, were you standing behind her when she asked that? 🤔

@philipsturtivant9385 3 года назад

Some lady!!

@lucydad100 2 года назад

lost me... chin someone standing behind?? huh?

@Doorbear77 2 года назад

@@lucydad100 British slang meaning to strike someone in the face using one's elbow - particularly effective when good shoulder rotation is employed ...

@habibfaddoul4764 3 года назад

Thank you for this video I am looking for information about how i can hit a target very low high Because i have hard time to do it Thank for all your help in your videos

@philipsturtivant9385 3 года назад

Really helpful. Thanks. I've just got to the point after a lockdown's worth of autodidact backyard Agincourt, where I'm confident enough to start experimenting with a 70"/34lb bow (instead of 68"/34lb). That additional 6lbs makes a substantial difference. Or, to put it another way, 28lbs is very, very forgiving. Every time I have taken up the bigger bow, it has punished my errors mercilessly. Right now (but maybe not next Spring) I can shoot it and emerge un-bruised, but my 'full draw' experience does not correspond at all closely with your very clear explanation, so that's food for thought over the long winter nights - Cheers!!

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 3 года назад

No worries, happy it helps :) Take it easy with the poundage increase, 6lbs is quite a lot in one go! When I'm going up in poundage I normally do 0.5lb increments or 1lb at the most :)

@philipsturtivant9385 3 года назад

@@OnlineArcheryAcademy . . . . . and then I watched Jake Kaminsky on posture (cold, wet, rainy - what else is there to do?). Added 'chest down' (among other things) into the mix with the idea of 'inside the bow'. Got outside today, briefly, 24 to 36 arrows shot between online meetings, warming up on the 28lb, moving to the 34lb at dusk. Noticeable improvement - could be my last arrows this side of Easter: let's hope I don't let too much of this learning slip away between times. I shall study your scapula movement next (not an everyday expression, I think, somehow)

@Jasmine-by1dl 4 месяца назад

Can you make a video on how to improve release plz

@heisem1912 4 года назад

Great Video, I wish I saw this three years before.

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 4 года назад

Thanks a lot Heiko :) I'm glad it helped out :)

@alanchelnick8148 2 года назад

I'm a 71yearold novice learning correct mechanics so I don't injure myself. Well I have been working on the full draw from the getgo . It's working center hits come from full draw and good release which comes from a good draw. I was a welder and machinist for 40 years. I was never afraid of work.

@briansmith9523 3 года назад

Hi Asha yes another good video I had this problem with my head jerking back and what I've now fitted is a kisser button which I pull back to the corner of my mouth my drawer is 26 and a half and it feels really comfortable and I do it with one knocking clip so I slide the arrow up to the knocking clip and then just release which is brought it up 100% as you've shown , a few people in the club have noticed the grouping of mine is getting tighter and I told them the different way I'm doing it but they still use the 2 over one under but I find the 3 under sliding the arrow up to the nocking point keeps everything tight and just as smooth releas l will show the lads in the club so keep your videos going absolutely 100% all the best Brian and keep safe if

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 3 года назад

Thanks so much Brian! Sounds like you're doing great - keep working on it and enjoying shooting :) I'll keep making videos :)

@dmouse522 4 года назад

For me thinking about placing my draw elbow into my opposite back pants pocket gets me there.

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 4 года назад

Haha! Love it!

@juniorwales6286 4 года назад

You can do whatever you're comfortable with, at least you're doing your form right 👍 I'm just a beginner and just love watching this bro's video makes me interesting about doing my form and stuff right 🙂🙂🙂 anyways thanks again brother for all your coaching videos really appreciate it 👏👏👏

@owenreynolds9318 2 года назад

Hey Ashe, great video. Real full draw concept makes sense. It's seems more achievable when anchoring under the chin though. Finding it difficult moving to full draw when anchoring at corner of mouth. Any advice much appreciated.

@jarchdm Год назад

I have the same issue I can get to full draw but my hand ends up next to my cheek and on release the string as often as not tries to take a bit of my cheek with it..... It's gotten to the point where I've started shooting thumb draw instead. No more flinching in fear of having my skin torn off

@MickyMouseLimited 4 года назад

In my case I know that I am at full draw when I feel that the bow is giving in a bit at the back wall on the string stop. This is on a compound bow. If I made a shot this way 90 % of the time it will be accurate and also it feels like the arrow is also flying faster. I mean that the time of the noise of the arrow lunch and arrow noise on impact gets shorter. I do use the rubber band for practice and warm up . There is something that I would like to ask. I use to keep the bow not a full draw weight and I did notice that at that time I was shooting less accurate I believe that the lack of resistance once allowing me to execute poor shot simply because I was able to do it with out a proper Technic. Also I don't use the hand guard this helped me to quickly learn about 45 % and elbow rotation because every time I made a mistake the bow string was slapping me hard in the hand after few bruises I became very aware about my hand position. I believe that people need to practice with maximum weight that they can handle because this simply will force them to improve on Technic because the bow can be drawn and hold only when you execute the move correctly.

@baz3184 11 месяцев назад

99.9% of archers don't understand full full draw where the rear hand is actually fully extended. In the advanced archery community we call this butterfly form. My draw is 67 inch at true full draw

@markmckelvie679 2 года назад

My draw length is 28 by simple 2.5 method, but full draw with elbow aligned and back tension feeling right is more like 30. This feels too far from a 28 anchor at corner of mouth to 30 full draw. Maybe I need my anchor further back.

@davidcarpenter9232 3 года назад

Great video ... D

@srishtijaiswal4679 4 года назад

I use to feel the expansion by imaging that my tri-seps are moving backward.....

@seanpicasso 2 года назад

What if my elbow is behind the draw line at the anchor? Shall I shorten the draw length to align with the draw line? Thanks!

@lucydad100 2 года назад

My coach has me working expansion. So far I just do not have the feeling. I wonder if I am holding draw arm elbow too high defeating the elbow around motion? Coach said today that expansion form improvement will really pay dividends long term. Anchor first, then full draw is correct? But how to keep aim, or only final focus and aim and release after full draw? I am only 3 months into shooting a recurve, no clicker, no sights.

@qiaodantian6661 3 года назад

does the body geometry actually effect the draw elbow position , is it possible that a person could get the shoulder alignment but not exactly draw elbow behind the arrow line( or maybe i misunderstood elbow(elbow tip, the bone) inline with the arrow)? Great vid ,thank you very much

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 3 года назад

Great point - it is possible that it might vary due to body proportions, particularly with the ratio of upper/lower arm length. But even with these variations about 95% of archers can technically achieve the position, and it's just a case of skill learning, flexibility, and anchor/head position which is actually the cause of not having the elbow far around enough.

@normangwynn1104 3 года назад

I had been taught (insisted upon, actually) that you could either do the 'move your elbow around your body' like you explained, or you could either also move your elbow up or down in order to achieve your full draw and release. Moving the elbow either up or down never made much sense: I mean, you maintain a great posture throughout the shot cycle, only to in the end disarrange it all. I do however have some trouble going "all the way through" with moving my elbow round my body.

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 3 года назад

Sometimes moving the elbow slightly up as well as around can help, but I'd definitely advise against moving the elbow down :)

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 4 года назад

Let us know your favourite analogy for reaching full draw in the comments below!

@mortenjacobsen5673 4 года назад

transfer into holding

@borismilosevic3186 4 года назад

Transfer, but I do not hold after the transfer, I immediately enter the expansion, very slowly.

@gilbertojohnson6981 4 года назад

Like I'm trying to bring my shoulder blades together while letting my fore arm "float" with a relaxed wrist.

@asplodec 3 года назад

I feel a little guilty to get so many valuable points for free. They helped me a lot and I think you should open a Patreon account to get back what you're giving out. Thank you again fot this huge amount of REALLY useful information.

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 3 года назад

Thanks so much, I really appreciate it :) Quite a lot of people have reached out and said I should do something like that too, I will look into it :) Thanks for the kind words

@user-hc7mi7ft9x 3 года назад

would this mean the string should be closer to the body? maybe touching my chest guard? cause i do have a problem with a jerky motion after clicker clicks. maybe i am not fully at full draw which makes expansion not that smooth all the time. i am also doing your clicker drill to fix this.

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 3 года назад

Getting into better alignment, and reaching real full draw does often mean that the string is closer to the chest guard :) The key is making sure your posture is good so it doesn't interfere too much, easier said than done I know, but worth the effort :)

@robertbellett7673 4 года назад

First of all, I have to make sure I have no tension from the wrist to the scapula. From the ‘set’ position, I focus on the scapula and feel for the elbow being at the furthest point behind my head. I see people using tension which brings into play the shoulder muscles thus denying the ability to get into true full draw.

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 4 года назад

That sounds good! You're absolutely right, if there is lots of tension in the wrist and it is kinked inwards, it makes it extremely hard to draw properly and get to real full draw!

@windyblower1211 4 года назад

When is the part 2 of the rising draw shouldee video coming out?

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 4 года назад

Hi! I did ask to make sure before I made the video, but unfortunately the archer I made the video about asked me to remove it so I have done that and it isn't public anymore. I will make another video to cover it again soon :)

@windyblower1211 4 года назад

@@OnlineArcheryAcademy thats a shame, i hope the new one comes out soon

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 4 года назад

@@windyblower1211 It will be out in the next couple of weeks so keep an eye out :)

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 4 года назад

It's here :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-E6dHSi_d1Jo.html

@grassblade2 3 года назад

The difference between Full Draw and Back Tension? I thought Back Tension gets you to full Openess and Alignment? Obviously Readiness and Back Tension aren't necessarily the same thing but is that the point I'm missing...Readiness and Full Everything and Back Tension?

@sumahan5859 4 года назад

people said, pro archer have place the arrow point arround 2mm on clicker. can you explain where this thing happen, on anchor or real full draw? thanks a lot

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 4 года назад

Great question! This would be at real full draw. For a world class archer, once they get to the anchor position there would only be a small amount of arrow under the click, perhaps 3mm. Once they have reached real full draw, there would normally be 1mm or even 0.5mm to expand through the clicker during expansion. The worlds best archers have extremely fine control of the arrow length under the clicker - I'll make a video on this specifically in the future :)

@sumahan5859 4 года назад

Thanks a lot. Hope you make another video like this next time. Its just not simple draw, backtension, click. But what we need is that step also anolgy or how to imagine it 😁

@mortenjacobsen5673 4 года назад

@@sumahan5859 draw, anchor ,transfer , align and achieve holding , then contract rhomboid , witch only work if the trapezius is at resting position and not under back tension like many belive

@ManggoMike 4 года назад

Is this for all bows including compound bow?

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 4 года назад

It would be less relevant for compound, but I would have to defer to a compound expert for this...

@johnrichichi2023 4 года назад

Hi Ashe, brilliant explanation as always. Is it imperative to execute all the steps in your shot sequence to be able to achieve real full draw or transfer as some call it. Or can it still be achieved if one or two steps are missed or not performed correctly. For example, if I drill a pilot hole it will be easy to put the screw into a piece of wood. Or is it something like, if I don't drill a pilot hole I could still probably get the screw in but it will be much harder and will probably go off centre. Thanks John

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 4 года назад

Great question John! Technically no, you don't have to do them, think of them instead as increasing the probability of you getting to real full draw and ultimately achieving a good release. On this point, it's actually worth noting that all these steps are actually just 'made up' by humans - they're there to attempt to label and make a structure to the shot and make it easier to learn, but it's not an absolute hard rule. In my structure of the shot that's why I keep it to 6 general steps, to hopefully solidify it into an easy, simple process. As an aside, arguably three of the best archers in the world ever (Kim Woo Jin, Im Dong Hyun, Oh Jin-Hyek) don't really have any setup position, but they found the way that works for them and allows them to get the other parts of the shot consistent :)

@johnrichichi2023 4 года назад

@@OnlineArcheryAcademy Thanks Ashe. I had a temporary lapse and meltdown a couple of weeks ago when I kept forgetting my shot sequence. I binned it and switched to linear korean style which I thought I was getting the hang of it but then that went pear shaped too. I watched some more of your videos and went back to my old style. I now, finally think I'm getting somewhere. Your videos make a huge difference to the archery community, can't thank you enough.

@NPC--666 2 года назад

Don't forget the bow arm!

@osmansalem 3 года назад

What about body weight, weight balance on square stance?

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 3 года назад

I'll cover this more in the future - there's some more detail on this in the Stance and Posture section on the website here: www.onlinearcheryacademy.com/recurve-archery-technique-stance-posture/

@lachezarkrastev7123 2 года назад

This helped me to realise that my full draw is 2 cm back :)))

@jeldatu6285 3 года назад

Hi, Is the string touching your side chest at full draw?

@OnlineArcheryAcademy 3 года назад

It is! It's actually ok to have a little contact, as long as it's not too deep and it doesn't interfere with the string clearance - this is why I've modified my chest guard to make it more smooth :)

@jeldatu6285 3 года назад

@@OnlineArcheryAcademy . Thanks heaps.

@darkangel28179 Год назад

Without wearing a chest guard (not got one) i find that if the string is lightly (i mean very lightly) brushing against my nipple with a deep breath then my position, stance, alignment ,and shot sequence is better and the arrows end up pretty well grouped at 50m having only been shooting once a week for less than a year.