Archery Review: Korean Horn Bow by Freddie Archery 

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딱 바도 사칭 인 걸 뭐하 로 물어 보나요?? 본인 입으로 대위 라고 안하고 오로지 영상 참고 할때만 대위 씁니다. 연출에서요

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@@Jesus-lu5bm 음...사실은 저도 채널 프로필에 아무런 설명이 없어서 사칭이 아닐까 하는 생각이 들긴 했습니다...

이런류의 사칭 극혐. 사칭이면 대놓고 사칭인거 티나게 웃긴짤 같은걸로 올리면서 드립이나 치든가.

맞는 말이고 전통 각궁은 C자로 완전히 굽어있죠. 근데 각궁이라는 말 자체가 뿔각자를 쓴거라 뿔 재질이 들어간거면 각궁이라고 할 수는 있어요. 다만 전통이냐 개량형이냐의 차이겠지요. 영상에 나오는 활의 판매처가 freddie archery라고 평택에 있는 국내 기업인데 거기서 이야기 주신 전통적인 각궁뿐만 아니라 같은 물소뿔이 들어가지만 좀 더 운용하기 편하고 좀 더 싼 개량형 각궁도 판매하는걸로 압니다. 영상에 나온 제품은 태극이고 영문 명으로는 TAEGEUK HORN BOW네요. 그리고 영문 카탈로그에는 전통 각궁도 각궁으로, 개량형도 각궁으로 표기가 되어 있어요.

전통 각궁은 일반인들(특히 저런 해외 거주자분들)이 살만한 유통경로도 없고, 가격도 비쌀 뿐더러 습기에 너무나도 취약해 관리가 정말정말 엄청 까다롭습니다. 구하기도 힘들고 비싼 물건이 조금만 삐끗하면 쓰레기통행이다? 회사 입장에서 이런 물건 팔고 싶지도 않고 소비자 입장에서도 이런 물건은 살 수가 없습니다. 한마디로 전통 각궁은 정말 문화유산으로 남겨야할 우리의 소중한 전통이지만 사람들이 막 사서 쓰고 할 수 있는 물건은 아닙니다

흑소각 이랑 자작나무로 만들어진 궁 이라고 했고요. 처음에 한 말 중에 일반적인 각궁들은 더 극단적으로 꺾여 있다고 이야기했어요. 현 무계가 낮은 궁인가봐요.

Good points. A release aid/thumb ring "should be used" or *can be used? Personally, they irritate my joints more than they help.

It is buffalo horn.

Vilhjalmr Edmundson it should be used to maintain consistency and if you go higher pounds it would be extremely painful to draw after you loose few arrows

@@MiaogisTeas you will literally lose flesh on your thumb after 20 pulls apparently. so probably helps to wear one!

Hi thank you, I know the Korean style is a bit different to what we do. Thank you

True. Back then they have two sets of bow, one for summer and another one for winter

만곡궁 이라더군요 우리 전통각궁은.

맞습니다 각궁....

@@jsk6390 어딜 봐서 저게 각궁인지요? 아무리 봐도 각궁이 아니고 개량 궁인거 같습니다만... 조선각궁은 시위가 없을때는 공처럼 말려요. 그리고 각궁의 모양 자체도 다르구요... 저건 개량궁입니다.

sangyoung oh 그건아는데요 각궁 한번 펴지고 제대로 점화장에서 관리안하면 보통 저런 모습입니다. 개량궁은 저 오금쪽이 시위를 내렸을때 뽈록 튀어나오지 않아요....

@@jsk6390 유럽에서 만든 제품입니다...

takes a few shots, yes

tutorial on how to do it?

@@Jake-dh9qk Just tie it in a regular knot. Works just fine 😁

@@gizmonomono do I just put the arrows thru the knots??

@@Jake-dh9qk You tie it around you like a belt, and slide the arrows between you and the sleeve. Simple, but effective. You can see Armin put the arrows in his belt in some videos. The sleeve is wide so the arrows are held nicely. Thing is, you don't use the sleeve at all, unless you are transporting the bow. So this makes it more useful. And it's way quicker and more practical than a quiver in my opinion. But I would still wait for Armins reply on this, as he might have a better idea on the subject 😀

@@gizmonomono oh I see now, thank you for the expedient response!

@Alex Hakala 30" at 40# and above, would prefer a 32" at least

곡사는 명중을 위한게 아닌데...

자기의 개인적인 취향을 정답처럼 말씀하시면 안됍니다.

It seems strange to be replying to one of my own comments, but several things have come to light in the past month that make it necessary to rethink a couple of the points I made. The first is to the recognition of the sticker placed on the bow. In checking the many bows that fellow members of our club have, I have found that two bowyers have similar stickers, so I may very well be talking about the wrong bowyer when I talked about one that was going to competitions many years ago. What I said may be true for one bowyer, but is not necessarily and may even be inaccurate/wrong for the other, that bowyer being the one marketing this hybrid hornbow. This brings me to my second point. I had the opportunity this past weekend to see and shoot one of these bows. Actual hands on far outweighs seeing the bow in a video. The background information about this bow may be informative. Another bowyer who is based here in Busan, Korea, brought one to our club. What the relationship is between him and the maker of these bows, I don't know, but he did provide a bit of information about the composition of these bows. They are a two layer laminate of carbon fibre and horn, with the horn of course being on the belly side. Visually, the birch bark covering the back appears real to sight and to touch. I've seen plastic imitation bark and this backing is not anything like that. The red, nock pads are the ones used on standard hornbows.. To the all-important component of the bow, the horn. The colour of the one I saw was a little light, tending towards the rarer white horn occasionally found on bows. The feel of the surface was that of horn. It is not the colour or texture of any carbon fibre I've seen on carbon similarities of hornbows. So, yes, I take back my comment that this is not a hornbow. I'd say this is a hornbow in that it has horn as a major part of its composition. However, for competition purposes here in Korea, it would still be classified as a carbon bow. To end on a lighter note, the bow we had was rated at 46 pounds. With my 30 inch draw, I was likely pulling 50-51 pounds. With my longer draw, it stacked a little towards the end of the draw. The bow I currently use shoots 45 pounds, so using the aim point for my 50 pound bow, I immediately was getting hits. A friend's bow is 55 + pounds. Using his normal aim point, he shot long. In fact, he should have been shooting short of the target. I can't think of any credible explanation for this. However, I can say it is a nice bow to shoot. Whether the bowyer will be able to sell many here in Korea, I don't know. The price is 350 000 won, that being 100 000 won more that a premium carbon bow and 300 000 won less than a standard hornbow. It can't be used in hornbow competitions as it lacks the sinew backing. The bow we had didn't have either the Association-approved carbon bow number sticker or the hornbow sticker. This may only be a case of the bowyer not bothering to put one on. Usually the bowyers put these stickers on at time of sale. Now this reply is far too long so I'll end it. However, I liked this bow after having handled and shot one and I hope anyone with one has an enjoyable, good time using it. Best and many hits.

Can you share with me the name of your Korean Bowyer?

never tried one of their bows, but I guess the price is okay and the quality too. but as said, never had one in my hand

mine too :D and for the hwarang. i was in contact with Thomas and asked for resell prices, as I deal with bows. 15 USD off the normal price is not working, when you have a business like me. So I never got one, butI am sure it is an amazing bow

Ernest Sheffield I also bought one from Thomas. About $400.00 American. Pretty sure mine may be fiberglass as his horn were ranging about $1000.00

if you contact YMG directly, you will get a better deal. Hwarang bow Thomas sells and YMG bow are identical.

I have three from Alibows and I love them!

That's not true - do your fucking research before telling lies on the internet - especially lies that could potentially hurt someone's business. FACT Prof. Duvernay sells a higher quality product than all the others in this price range and lower. He's run a website and forum since longer than you've been alive, probably. My only relationship to him is that I bought one of his bows years ago and beat the shit out of it, and it never failed in any way. You won't read about genuine Hwarang bows failing like YGMs or Freddy's or pretty much all the others. Sorry for the language, Armin.

you can try, never had that with a laminated bow

@@ArminHirmer If I "wiggle" it a bit carefully in the opposite direction it goes back. But after shooting it more it goes off balance again. It's not much, but it's enough to be noticable. I'm nocking the arrow in the right place, but still... I will look into it more. Thank you for the answer.

@@ArminHirmer After just a few shots now the the upper tiller is 1 cm longer than the lower. The lower one IS under more stress, right? But seeing as how you have never had this happen on a laminated bow to you, could it be a manufacturing error? I mean, the bow is still amazing, shoots perfectly, but I'm a bit worried if this happens after only one month of shooting. Should I contact Alibow about it? Sorry if I'm a bit tedious, but I really love this bow 😄

this one not, as it is a mix of old and new materials, but some original made ones have to be heated

Thank you. ^^

Depends

it is horn mixed with modern materials, so it is not needed

Vellikos No you don’ t have to heat the bow before stringing it, they don’t glue an entire slab of horn onto the belly, only thin, even slices, it can flex similar to a thin piece of fibreglass; you only heat it when making the bow, to bend it to a preferred shape and after it cooled it would stay in that shape.

From what I understand, heating is applied if there is inconsistensy in bending of the bow. If one limb bends less than others, then heat is applied to make it more pliable.

for fully natural material made bows, yes. Here is a mix of natural and modern materials

Ah, I understand now! Thank you all for the replies!

I bought that bow. It exploded the first time I strung it. Never even got to draw it. It comes with an explicit disclaimer, so I'm having issues with Freddie. The bowyer says it's my fault. Freddie says he will send me a KTB instead. I'm still waiting. I have had two other Freddie bows, they are great

@@rikcederstrom8525 sorry to hear that, have you researched how to string and exercise a horn bow?

You need to be very knowledgeable to use that bow. It's quite a hassle to string it properly, unless you learned it from a korean master archer and have a proper tools to do it. For me, it's not worth it. Just get a modernized Korean bow.

You're so smart!

Yes indeed good sir

Not to mention a traditional korean horn bow takes a half hour to string.

@@Jesus-lu5bm 헐 여기서 뵙다니

Ich würde immer einen biocomposite von Grozer nehmen

me too :)

the korean bow version of this bow is also amazing and cheaper(but horn is replaced by carbon)

pretty sure its the same company

always easier when you know someone in that country, but most of us do not :) thanks for watching

Armin Hirmer aren't you in atarn or kta on fb? I'm sure some of them are in korea and willing to help you. If I lived in Korea, I'd help you myself. Once you know how much more expensive freddie archery sells the same product, you may have a whole new stance.

I am not overly interested in Korean bows and Chris the owner of this bow bought this one from Freddie and I understand, when you make a living, you need to charge some money for your service. of course one can get always everything somewhere cheaper and better. Up to everyone. We get now a bow for free from Freddie, so I don't mind :)

not a very kind person as it seems Ivar. I never said it is a real horn bow with sinew and all that shit. Even the owner told you what it is all about. So I don't get your problem now. Freddie did not pay me anything - you got my personal opinion of this bow and it is FULLY up to you to like that or not. But dude, never question me

the owner describes the bow in the beginning and when some people think they get a totally natural made hornbow for 500 bucks....

Green Archer hi

Helo Miko how are you?

Hybrid. Horn stripe like a layer of glass, wood and fibreglass

@@ArminHirmer thank you sir.. when you upload video real hornbow + sinew?

traditional horn bow is over $6000

Of course. Korean warbows had even a different design

I don't think that's true Bak. Koreans used all types of bows and they could definitely make war bows as big as the ones in picture with incredible draw weight.

I don't know if there is a reseller in the US, but you still can order directly from Freddy

Ok

link is in description

편전은 외국 활마니아 사이에선 낮선것이 아닙니다. 거의 같은 무기가 비잔틴 터키 아랍 중국에 우리보다 먼저 등장했습니다.

“Gak-gung”

that explains it... I thought it was an authentic hornbow.

It has, horn ,sinew, glass fibre, wood, carbon, epoxy glue and birch bark. According to the specs from Freddy archery.

Thank you. So it basically has every material except sinew. Interesting.

Just Me , according to the specs it does have sinew. So this bow is a combination of traditional materials and modern materials. But, all that apart. The bow is superb.

we mentioned that in the video a few times. if somebody will give me one, I will do a review. I really don't have the money to buy one :D

Armin Hirmer Actually Im amateur horn bow maker in Korea. I'll give you a support if I can!!!

Why do you think so?

like with expensive cars, sometimes they are not faster but maybe the feel is different

쉽게 사용할 수 있게 만든 개량형인거 같애요. 활시위를 당기는 모습도 장력이 그리 크지 않은 것 같애요

개량궁

We are fully aware of that :)

Really? Did you get the order of hornbow - other bow (carbon?) - all-day-long - half-day out of place? Carbon bows don't need to be tuned,are left strung all-day long with no need to re-tune them. However, strung, Korean hornbows tend to lose their shape if left for any length of time. 보궁 (boh goong(s)) (loops of leather about ten cm long) is/are always placed on the limb(s)/string immediately after tuning and/or finishing a 순 (soon) (a round of five arrows). If the bows are not going to be shot for any length of time, say an hour or more, the 궁 대 (goong dae) (the bow cover/sash/belt-quiver) is wrapped around the upper and lower limbs to help the bow keep its shape. When removed, the bow's shape will be checked and re-tuned, if necessary. That was the case for me last Saturday. I strung and tuned my hornbow at my 종 (jeong/club), shot a couple of practice 순, then wrapped my bow for the drive to another 종 for a competition. After a two-hour drive, I unwrapped my bow and found the lower limb had lost some of its bowing. I had to re-tune the bow.

@@notapplicable531 he was probably referring to traditional authentic gakgung. It's very hard to get it.

Like a laminated bow, just the belly is a thin strip of horn instead of glass

@@ArminHirmer I accept innovation absolutely, but the problem here is that its fairly well acknowledged that a hornbow is a natural, tri-laminate made of at least 3 layers- one in tension, one in compression and one neutral plane- natural materials held together by a collagen glue and animal or plant binding. This basis has been the formula for many composite bows of various ethnicities. Its rather an important item really because it helps the understanding of what makes a bow. For this reason, its all the more vital that lay minds and beginner enthusiasts do not confuse the issues involved. Dont get me wrong, you are doing a great job introducing archery devoid of the technical trappings of today, but a bit of attention to technical detail will improve matters in some quarters. Apropos: Just an offhand observation: I watched you draw this bow with a white background: It seemed as if the syah or parts of the outer limbs, at full draw flexed a little, so perhaps added some "stack". Dont know if this is true.

Yepp sure thing, on the other side no beginner in archery will start most probably with a composite bow and until he is there he will own how to differentiate :) I don’t know anymore about this now, not mode did not shot it since then