Arches vs. Legion-Surprising Watercolor Paper Showdown

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@Bindismom Год назад

Yup, never knew I was saying Arches wrong, but I LIKE how we say it so it will always be “ plural” to me. I’m an arches girl through and through and will probably always be. I find these tests of products very helpful Kristy, thank you for doing them.

@KristyRice Год назад

Love that! And you’re welcome!!

@Bindismom Год назад

@@KristyRice I just want to tell you one more thing. I am trying a new technique for painting flowers. So I had to draw the flower and I said to myself…” just do it the Kristy Rice way”…so I did! I started with ovals and circles and they are the best I’ve ever done! I’ve learned so much from you. I really can’t say I’m self trained anymore as I’ve gotten so much help from you and a couple others I love. 💖👍👍

@brendadudley6474 Год назад

It’s another one in your corner, Kristy. Right now for me even your “mistakes“ are spot-on, because you’re teaching me something. Our power may not be back on until midnight due to storms and heavy rain so I am sitting with my iPhone and an Led lantern, watching you one video after another. 17:41 😂

@Blick_Art Год назад

Wonderful! We know watercolorists have used Stonehenge printmaking paper as a hot-pressed alternative for years, and while the performance is different, it's always been a worthy, high-quality choice for many media. This was a terrific comparison that showed so well the strengths of both types of paper. Thanks for posting this!

@zenfulkatoria Год назад

As a beginner, I just always assume if somethings not going right, it’s me never occurred to me that I should take the paper in consideration as well😂

@KristyRice Год назад

It’s never always you. Good lesson to learn

@miriammillam101 Год назад

Thank you for this!! As a late in life watercolor try-er I appreciate your honesty as a professional. Sometimes when you are still finding your watercolor self it is hard when you either don't have the right paints or paper. But it is all part of the journey. My main goal is to get good enough to paint something spectacular for my grand babies so they have a piece of my heart forever. Thank you for your part in my journey. ❤

@KristyRice Год назад

I love your goal. So much.

@brendadudley6474 Год назад

Bless your heart. Me too. 😊

@kimjaime Год назад

Thank you! I am new to watercolor, but am spending a small fortune trying to get a good paper to torture. This was very helpful.

@Christine-ik6sf Год назад

I say arches too. I love trying new papers and would love to see more 100% cotton paper reviews!

@KristyRice Год назад

Coming for sure!!

@DavZell Год назад

Some tiny constructive feedback: changing the camera angle so much made the comparison "awkward/confusing" for my visual processing. For me, keeping it consistent would have been better, and my choice would have been from above. The one section where is was kind of diagonal with both sides shown at once was particularly hard to process. IMHO, comparison and review videos really benefit from a lack of artistic filming approaches. Thank you for the comparison and for reading my thoughts.

@KristyRice Год назад

Thanks for the feedback :)

@laurarios1911 Год назад

I pronounced it "Arches" when I was first introduced to it but honestly, I studied French for 7 years and should have realized that it really should be pronounced "Arsch". I now say it correctly but it's been a struggle! 😂 I will say that people in the US rarely say French words correctly so no one can fault those who don't give it a proper French pronunciation.

@teufel75 Год назад

Interesting way to explain how to pronounce Arches. Look up what the German word Arsch means in English

@MrsBarnabas Год назад

@@teufel75 Yes... 😄I've avoided that by saying "Arsh" as in "Harsh" (but just double-checked that for any other meaning... )

@kayaj3802 Год назад

@@teufel75 Genau. That's the reason I pronounce it 'Arches' and not 'Arsch'. The German in me just can't say it out loud 🤣

@laurarios1911 Год назад

@@teufel75 Oh well - most words mean something else in another language! I spelled it that way only to provide a guide to pronunciation. You are welcome to keep mispronouncing it, if you wish!

@annettepurnell2785 Год назад

Over 40 years I have only heard it pronounced like you do!

@KristyRice Год назад

Ha really!

@freewoman4434 Год назад

I've never tried Arches paper because it's sized with gelatine. My absolute favourite watercolour paper is Canson heritage paper - 100% cotton, no animal products, and boy, it's just wonderful. Sometimes I feel like it's doing the work for me, haha. It also takes a battering and stays intact - I like to use scrubbing techniques, and at the early stages of every painting I use a LOT of water, which it copes with no bother. I always use the blocks, as stretching paper is a scunner that I can't be doing with. Nice video, thanks.

@violettahaven3706 Год назад

We pronounce the word in the language we're using. So Arches (as multiple of arch) should be the way to pronounce it in English. If you're speaking French, you would pronounce it as Arsch.

@KristyRice Год назад

Well THAT makes me feel better lol!!

@katel9378 Год назад

I call it Arches, just like you do. I've never tried Stonehenge. I use Arches, Indigo spiral bound books, and Fabriano the most. I think the Fabriano I use is student grade. I used it mostly for color swatching scraps (to see if I've mixed the right shade I want for my painting). The Indigo paper is a whole other animal! I really can't explain how it acts. It's weird and definitely has a learning curve. I only use it so I don't have paintings all over my house. Not everything is a masterpiece and I can turn the page.

@KristyRice Год назад

I'm not familiar with Indigo!!

@katel9378 Год назад

@@KristyRice It's called Indigo Artpaper Art Journal. It is handmade paper from India 140 lb. It's thick, but will buckle. If you let it dry a bit, it will calm down. I clip it down with a binder clip. It has deckled edges, which I love the look of. I get mine from Cheap Joes. It's a VERY thirsty paper. I have to wet it a few times before I start painting. This is what I can't explain...it's almost like the paint floats on the paper and then all of a sudden it gets sucks in. You have to do it yourself to see what I'm talking about. With that said, I don't think the paint dries as light as it does on other papers. Again, something you'd probably need to see your yourself. It takes getting used to, but I really do like the paper.

@karendirmish2696 Год назад

I was very lucky that my classes started with Arches! So that’s my go to, I was given a gift of another paper and it was a terrible disappointment! It taught me to stay what is working best! Thanks for your videos!Karen Dirmish who learns so much from you!

@KristyRice Год назад

That is awesome!

@dorisschmeichel2949 Год назад

Yup, I say Arches the same way as you! It’s too hard to change my brain. I agree, the paint on the Arches looks more vivid.

@KristyRice Год назад

It’s too hard indeed! Lol!

@michaelpeters8615 9 месяцев назад

Great video, love comparing different products. Thanks for sharing.😅

@KristyRice 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for watching!

@cristinahutchins1902 Год назад

Yes! I call it Arch-es, two syllables. That's because that's how some of my instructors at PNCA pronounced it, as well as the store where I bought art supplies! We speak American English, so we pronounce with an American English accent. If you were in France, and wanted to buy some Arches paper, then go ahead and ask for you paper using the French pronunciation!

@gailliguori3037 Год назад

I love this comparison, Kristy! Very helpful and I love your channel!

@KristyRice Год назад

Thank you so much!

@urban.gallivanter Год назад

I can confirm Stonehenge doesn’t glaze well. I have not used Arches yet, but I’m loving Academy over Stonehenge.

@KristyRice Год назад

Okay I'm relieved it wasn't just me lol! And Academy is excellent for glazing indeed!

@EPMunzert Год назад

I appreciated this so much. I've been considering taking the plunge into more expensive - better - paper. You answered questions I have about the differences.

@KristyRice Год назад

Glad it was helpful!

@paubap1 Год назад

I love to watch you and have learned so much from you. I am an ultra beginner with no training but love to paint with watercolor and you are a STAR teacher. On top of it all you are lovely! Thank you. As for the paper, I've been using a 180 gram, cotton paper, (Inarte) available in Portugal where I live. Keep up your amazing work.

@illisagaellen6740 Год назад

How about Arshays? Archays? LOL anyway you say it, it's what I use. Wow! The muddiness on the Stonehenge! If that was my first painting, I would have been so disappointed. I would have thought it was my paint, or technique and not even considered the paper!

@KristyRice Год назад

Yup it’s not always the user lol!!

@deborahruth5072 Год назад

I have always pronounced Arches exactly like you. This has been very helpful. I have several pads of the Arches and a small box of samplers of the Legion. For practice I have been using Bee Paper but I may switch to the Legion for practice and play and see if I like it better. I use to use my Arches for everything but that is not really in my budget anymore. Thanks for another great video Kristy.

@KristyRice Год назад

Yes I use Stonehenge a lot but just not for layers much :)

@theresaanderson4081 Год назад

Watching this demonstration just reinforces my total love of Arches (Arsh) paper. I don't want to take the time to "re-learn" how I need to paint, when I like the way the Arches paper feels and does what I want it to. I just watch for good sales on it and then buy a bunch. (Sometimes I might get a bit carried away, but then I don't have to buy it often that way.)🙂

@KristyRice Год назад

Agree!!

@sharihofmann674 Год назад

I say Arches the way you say Arches. I have pronounced it that way for 20 years. I ain't gonna change now. 😉

@1122wife Год назад

Yep, "arch-is" for me. No fancy schmancy for me. Love to see the Stonehenge in use. Will look for it soon just to try out myself.

@KristyRice Год назад

It really is absolutely worth trying :)

@Tammykaye Год назад

I’ve been using Stonehenge for months now, because of affordability but yes, it does rip... I’ve seen Jenna Rainey, after making an initial opening just separated it with her hand from the block! It actually works a lot better. I find Stonehenge to be too soft for me, and Arches to be too rough! I like the Academy paper you use now.

@vikkigherzi6046 Год назад

I have both and sometimes I just like the whiter look of Legion over Arsh. French pronunciation for me. Yes, more deft Kristy-like layering on Arches.

@KristyRice Год назад

I honestly love Stonehenge. It’s powerful for juicy, modern single layers, and the surface is quite unique!!

@sheilanewell50 Год назад

It’s a video of the comparison of the two papers and the artwork was great to live. I like what you did with the pictures. Good video thank you.

@KristyRice Год назад

Thank you so much!

@colorjunkie Год назад

I don't like Arches because of the texture. I don't like Stonehenge because it's sooo very soft. I have torn my painting in getting it off the block. It also doesn't like masking fluid very much. My go-to cotton papers are Baohong and Fabriano Artistico.

@reneecailloux2573 Год назад

I'm always having fun watching and listening ;-) to you! Content, explanation and style

@KristyRice Год назад

Glad you enjoy it!

@reneecailloux2573 Год назад

@@KristyRice Absolutely! Love your style!

@debrabroido997 Год назад

Ive tried so many papers and have found nothing better than Arches

@gardengal9478 Год назад

Always have called it Arches as you! My favorite ❤

@KristyRice Год назад

Love that!

@trinaloucks3932 Год назад

Great comparison! I've tried them both and feel the same. I mount my watercolour paintings onto wood panels, and when I tried it with paintings on Stongehenge, the paper tore when I was trimming it on more than one occasion. I've never had that problem with Arches.

@KristyRice Год назад

Thanks for sharing!

@haleymcfarlane930 Год назад

Love your videos. I prefer Arches! Always! And my next fav is Fabriano Artistico. All others I will use for studies and or mixed media. Love your attitude to being relaxed and let creativity flow. I’m a tight watercolour painter and paint tiny details and many layers and glazes. Arches works best for me. Thank you!

@rathernotsay5629 Год назад

Super helpful!

@KristyRice Год назад

What have you discovered when using Arches vs. Stonehenge? A few more thoughts as I continue to process this experiment: - Recently a few viewers mentioned their struggle with Arches and how it just "sucks up" water. Indeed it does,that for me is the beauty of the paper. But here is the key, I think to enjoying this feature instead of struggling with it: Use a lot of water. As you lay down the first layers have water almost dropping off your brush. Get that paper worked on with water and it will then pay you back for a long while remaining damp and incredible! - Use a palette knife to "cut" paper off the Stonehenge block, anything thicker will tear your paper! And if you're needing to know more about Arches paper watch this video too! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jUCHIdIV_6o.html

@geckonia Год назад

Stonehenge tears when I pull the tape off it otherwise it's pretty good stuff.

@KristyRice Год назад

Yes not surprising at all. It's very soft.

@MysticalMisty_1 Год назад

Thanks for sharing!

@KristyRice Год назад

You bet!

@deewampler1004 Год назад

Yep I say it the way you do

@virginiabusch139 Год назад

My favorite everyday paper is still Baohong. I received Saunders Waterford made in the St. Cuthberts Mill in England for Christmas. What are your thoughts? I haven't heard much about it. And have not done any work on it. It is lovely to touch! Your videos and teaching still remain my favorite!

@KristyRice Год назад

I’m just starting a big review of 100% cotton papers and Saunders is on my list!

@purplestarkatz Год назад

Wanted to make sure if you tested it before I said anything. Stonehenge is kinda notorious for being unable to tape the edges. I only have the tiny pads (which I still love) but I've tried all the tricks, all the tape, nothing works. Arches I can slap on some masking tape, leave it for months, and it'll still come off perfectly lol. And yeah, I pronounce arches like the architecture thing as an american lol. That wasn't a word I learned in my public school french classes.

@KristyRice Год назад

Makes sense as the surface of Stonehenge is quite soft or tender even would be a good word!

@DavZell Год назад

Thanks for the comparison. It looked like the water and pigment maybe sat on top of the page too much on the Stonehenge, leading to the mingling you called muddiness. On the last example, it seemed you had to keep going back and re-applying strokes because earlier ones spread and disappeared. As for Arches, right or wrong, I choose Arch-es. It sounds like it looks in English and doesn't sound pretentious, which "Arsh" does to your common everyday American artist.

@KristyRice Год назад

Great point!

@jessicalynne420 Год назад

Happy painting!

@KristyRice Год назад

Thank you! Cheers!

@lindakuck5981 Год назад

Thank you Kristy! I just upgraded to Arches. But I will definitely try Stonehenge 🙂 especially for the price!

@KristyRice Год назад

Hope you like it!

@kirstynewbery8012 Год назад

Hi Kristy, I've used many types of paper as well, and I keep coming back to Arches. In saying that, I've learned, because I'm stingy, that other papers have characteristics which introduce the need to experiment with different techniques, so it's not wasted, it's edu-ma-cational! (Old Muppet term)

@KristyRice Год назад

Thanks for sharing!!

@love2create62 Год назад

The first time I heard someone say Arches the correct way, I thought they were saying it wrong! 😂 How would you compare Stonehenge to Academy in terms of quality?? That's my go to. I try to always use the backs of my paper, I actually didn't know until recently that it's really not made for doing that.

@KristyRice Год назад

Same!

@love2create62 Год назад

@katrianna ♡ I really don't know the answer to that. The back sides do not work as well, and the back of Canson paper is horrible!

@WendyKomancheck Год назад

I call it Arches like you

@gailliguori3037 Год назад

The way you do!😂

@deewampler1004 Год назад

I would like to know what you would think of BAOHONG Academy Grade Watercolor Block. ( it comes with a nifty little tool that will take it off of the block.). And yes, I am a sucker for cool little gadgets. I have used arches, Saunders Waterford, and a variety of others. I completely agree. Arches, Saunders Waterford are the best. But I also like having paper that I can use for dozens of Christmas cards, Christmas tags, practice without feeling that I “wasted” the paper.

@KristyRice Год назад

Oh goodness I adore Academy!! Talk about it briefly in a few videos but I plan to go more in depth on two upcoming videos specifically!

@andreasdesigns Год назад

I liked the look of the final leaf on Arches more. I wasn't sure if the painting was slightly different because you can't be exact with two paintings. I could see Legion looked more dried out than Arches as you worked on the leaves. I will have to revisit this when I reach the point where I need a better paper.

@KristyRice Год назад

Yes exactly. Stonehenge’s surfaced dulled considerably as I worked and layered and overworked. Arches made it more difficult for the leaf to look overworked

@nickideepwater Год назад

Hi Kristy, I just found your channel about a week or so ago and am really enjoying going through and watching some of your older videos and lives. One thing I did wonder is if your watercolor palette and brushes will ever be available in the UK where I live. Thanks and regards Nicki. x😁😁

@cm_watercolours Год назад

I found this super interesting and informative but as I'm vegan and Arches paper is sized with gelatin, it's going to be Stonehenge for me! It's vegan-friendly. I'd love to see someone do a video comparing the vegan-friendly papers some day!

@KristyRice Год назад

Hmmmmmm💡💡💡💡

@lisamessina5952 Год назад

Have you tried Fabriano or Kilimanjaro?

@cm_watercolours Год назад

@@lisamessina5952 yes, currently using Fabriano. It's pretty good, though I find with layering the paint lifts off easily. I haven't heard of the other brand you mentioned! I'll look it up, thanks!

@MrsBarnabas Год назад

@@KristyRice Arches is sized with gelatin from rabbit bones, Kristy. Note: Here in France, where Arches (Arsh being the correct French pronunciation) is made, rabbit is as usual as chicken or any other meat for eating. 😊

@natemcdonald8853 10 месяцев назад

Please don't eat the paper...😊

@geraldinehomenchuk8655 Год назад

This was just great Kristy! Thanks for doing it. I pronounce Cdn.French Arsch ... and of course, what's NOT to love?!!! I noted within minutes into the video how the texture of the Arches grabbed and held onto the pigment better than the Stonehenge. That said, i have used the Legion and loved it, but yeah, no comparison. I also love Fabriano ... use w/c paper (hot & cold) for both painting w/c & coloured pencil work, so depending on the medium is how i choose my paper. Jenna Rainey is who first introduced me to Legion and you're so right, it's just great for spontaneous work where glazing and layering isn't necessarily your goal. Cannot improve on the Arches. My opinion, but seems to be I'm not alone! LOL. Love your videos bigtime! 🇨🇦😊

@shannonproefrock6511 Год назад

It’s always Arches when I’m serious about my painting…like when it’s a gift. But, Academy cold press is also fantastic, cotton, toothy paper ❤thanks for all of this information!

@KristyRice Год назад

Love that!

@peacockfeathers7409 Год назад

i say it like you do, arches. it sounds pretentious to me when people say it the french way haha! i love both papers, for different things.

@smkdesigns24 Год назад

My husband knows nothing about watercolor and these glorious papers but he does the French well. I simply asked him to these this word and she read it ARSHE.

@tinathebear Год назад

As someone who speaks both French and English, I don’t think it matters whether you pronounce Arches as you would in English or as you would in French. For two reasons: one, the word has the same meaning in both languages, and two, when English speakers try to pronounce “Arches” the French way, they neglect the fact that in French, you need to roll the “r” in the back of their throat. So, they are technically still mispronouncing the name.

@KristyRice Год назад

I feel seen ❤️❤️

@shellyparker8960 Год назад

This was a great review of both papers. Thank you, Kristy. I use Arches (and yep, I knowingly say it the incorrect way). I had been searching for black 100% cotton watercolor paper for some time and discovered Stonehenge has one, so I bought it. I was pretty impressed with it. I did notice the texture was not as rough as Arches, but it performed well, actually, much better than I expected. Because it is black, I ended up pulling out my gouache for more opaqueness, so it was not an apples-to-apples comparison. It will be great to have on hand for when I want a black paper. I was intrigued enough by it that I think I will buy a small block of white. My thought is maybe the Stonehenge would be a good go-between the Arches cold and hot pressed in that it wouldn't be quite as smooth. I know Blick has micro pads, so perhaps I'll just grab one of those to test. I really appreciated this comparison.

@KristyRice Год назад

Yes yes exactly! It’s def a good go between :)

@shereehoshing9827 Год назад

Much needed info

@KristyRice Год назад

Ahhh that was my breath of relief!! I thought so too! Enjoy! XO

@amymbeauty8765 Год назад

I just bought a Stonehenge block and painting on it is amazing but.... found out it doesn't like masking fluid the very hard way. No matter what, it ripped paper up. I've yet to use arches because well, that ish is expensive, but based off of just the masking factor, I might have to make the switch unfortunately.

@wendyinky3668 Год назад

I couldn’t figure WHAT I was doing wrong with Legion!! I use quality professional paint, quality brushes, and was absolutely scratching my head as to the muddy dull results I was getting from Legion paper. I would rather pay more for Arches and have my efforts shine through vs the dull, lifeless look the Legion paper left behind. I was so disappointed!

@KristyRice Год назад

Keep it for washy single layer stuff and it will shine!!!

@WendyKomancheck Год назад

Yes. I now use Arches...

@heianwoman Год назад

I didn’t know it was French until very recently.

@GekkeSiamees Год назад

While in the hospital for a serious backoperation… your videos really did help me to relax AND learn … So glad I found you on the wide wide RU-vid web…. ❤ greetings from Belgium…

@miriammillam101 Год назад

Good luck with your back. I had major back surgery also and I have found that on the days I can sit I love to paint. It has helped me not to get so frustrated with my body. Many healing thoughts coming your way!! Be nice to yourself!!

@GekkeSiamees Год назад

@@miriammillam101 thank you.. I barely could walk… I had an earlier operation.. they locked 2 vertebrae with 4 screws on the lowest level and now they did the same operation on the higher level.. a so called XLIF then they punched the pleura.. and my long collapsed.. now 46 stapels and 1 suture later I’m home and recovering.. hopeful to sit down and paint and watch all of this videos again… She gives me courage to go on and try… love this channel!!

@miriammillam101 Год назад

@@GekkeSiamees I was in the same boat. Have had the lower part fused and an tests coming up to see if I need more surgery . It is hard when you have been very physically active your whole life (dairy farmer) and then your body seems to turn on you. Just be patient with yourself. It is a very hard recovery. But I'm not in a wheelchair so I am very thankful for that!!! I'm here if you need a shoulder!!❤

@GekkeSiamees Год назад

@@miriammillam101 Thank you… I know what you mean… also thankful for the knowledge there is now.. so they can do this kind of operations…

@KristyRice Год назад

I’m so glad you’re here and hope you’re healing well!

@brian_hibbs Год назад

Saunders Waterford and Arches I use the most. I tried Stonehenges Yupo for inks and it's high quality just like the rest of them.

@pam.the.painter Год назад

Hello, new subscriber here. This is interesting and helpful. I've never tried Legion paper. I like Arches, but my favorite is Artistico. I like a smooth surface, so I use hot press because I draw with ink before using my watercolors. I don't pronounce Arches correctly either. lol

@KristyRice Год назад

Artistico is wonderful too!

@lynneellis2647 Год назад

I thought the way we said Arches was Americanized and not wrong. The soft pronunciation is French. For instance, we say MEX-ico and not ME-hico.

@MrsBarnabas Год назад

Arch-es or Arsh (as in Harsh): It's only very recently that Australia, the US and North America (probably New Zealand, too? Any NZ's here who can put me right?) have begun to realise that it is "Arsh". I'm not sure when the change began, or why, but the mispronunciation may be because until recently, people haven't paid a great deal of attention to where their supplies come from? Maybe the change came from seeing promos for the paper here on ArtTube? I've spoken French since I first lived here in my early 20's, have always been interested in where and how my supplies are made, and yet it took me to come back to France to live, six years ago, for the penny to drop and for me to realise my 'mistake', simply because in the UK, everyone, even professionals doing workshops and demos said Ar-ches!!! 😄 There are many other mispronunciations - Schmincke, Hahnemühle, Sennelier, to mention only three!

@KristyRice Год назад

True true!! So many words to get right!!

@elanalevin6934 2 месяца назад

Has anyone compares these two brand’s hot press? I love how Kristy does tests btw. The best tester system of all.

@LoriF25403 Год назад

Both work well for me. I also like Fluid 100 cotton paper

@milenamarcocci6320 Год назад

Thanks 😘

@marcialinico7558 Год назад

I pronounce it the way you do 😊

@jwall6006 Год назад

I say Arches wrong too. I had a “lovely” lady correct my error at the art store. I thanked her, walked away and said a prayer for her. Who knows what her life is like. I’ve been using Academy recently. I wonder how that compares to Arches. If you’ve already compared them let me know where?

@KristyRice Год назад

Omg you wouldn’t believe how much I’m corrected for pronunciation on this channel!! And yes many prayers said lol!! I haven’t compared them officially

@KarenDellaLuna Год назад

I’ve only tried arches hot pressed and legion cold pressed. Out of the two I LOVE LOVE LOVE legion paper much more. I’m aware that the comparison is kinda apples to oranges but I’m yet to try arches cold pressed 😊 Thanks for the video Kristy! Much love 🥰🫶🏻

@KristyRice Год назад

Thanks for sharing!!

@morgenmachen2400 Год назад

Any kind of hot pressed is going to be a mega learning curve, TBH. I tried many 100% cotton paper before Arches. I didn't want to take the bullet on the cost. At this point in my learning I must admit, thousands of artists aren't wrong and Arches has never disappointed me.

@KarenDellaLuna Год назад

@@morgenmachen2400 Hi! Yes I completely agree with you about it being a learning curve. I’ve only used arches hot pressed for gouache and legion cold pressed for watercolors. I became very familiar with legion so I’ve been using it a lot. With that said, I’m super excited to give arches cold pressed a try with my watercolors 😁

@morgenmachen2400 Год назад

@@KarenDellaLuna hey Karen! Same here - I mean that I only have use for hot press with specific mediums. Even if I'm painting watercolor botanicals I prefer something other than HP. It's so unforgiving 😩 If you're curious about some of the technical differences between Legion and Arches, look for my other comment on this post (it's pretttttyy long). Of course the words don't mean much until you get the paper under your brush but it may prepare you for some of the differences?

@KarenDellaLuna Год назад

@@morgenmachen2400 hands on learning goes a long way when it comes to art. I will still read your thoughts about it in the other comments. I’m about to start my first watercolor painting on arches cold pressed. Hopefully I’m not setting myself up for only wanting to use this one from now on 😅

@mostlyvoid.partiallystars Год назад

I love how forthcoming and detailed Legion is with sizing info. I tried a Legion block before I ever tried an Arches one and maybe that’s why I prefer it? I need more experience though, I am very much still a very early beginner :)

@KristyRice Год назад

Yes Legion is a phenomenal brand!!

@kathyhackney7950 Год назад

I just learned yesterday that I really love fluid hp. Its so smooth and paint flows just beautifully! Edit: you've been using arches since you were 11?!?!?

@KristyRice Год назад

I started taking art lessons then and my parents were a bit extra about things when they saw how much I loved painting lol!

@leanngoodall7602 5 месяцев назад

Yesterday at my local art store, I compared Arches 300gsm with Fabriano 300gsm. Arches definitely is thicker and the cold press....deeper if you know what I mean. So, Stonehenge is not alone in feeling thinner than Arches.

@KristyRice 5 месяцев назад

Such good info, thank you!!

@darleneiglehart6605 Год назад

If you are a true southerner you can remember Arches rhymes with warsh and that's what we do with our clothes. I was probably in third or fourth grade before I learned the correct pronunciation. 🤣

@KristyRice Год назад

Lol! XO

@robyounce644 Год назад

I always say it like you, I didn't know of another pronunciation but I can say Quinacridone!

@Mirrigold Год назад

As a Brit, I'm an Arshe pronunciation kinda gal and it will always be my "go to" when I want to do a painting I'm going to be keeping, or St Cuthbert's Mill Saunders Waterford for 100% cotton paper, rather than just practising or smushing around paint. Then I'm usually using St Cuthbert's Mill Bockingford pulp paper or Daler Rowney's Langton pulp paper for small works or practise paintings, I use Seawhite watercolour journals for sketching, also have some Arteza which is only any good for practise imho. I'm definitely a St Cuthbert's Mill fan for both cotton and pulp paper though.

@KristyRice Год назад

I'm about to dive into St. Cuthberts as I've been working through a hefty 100% cotton paper review - excited!

@Mirrigold Год назад

@@KristyRice oh you are in for a treat! Everything they produce is just quality

@Meggyp0p Год назад

I have always preferred Legion even though it is much more difficult to procure… definitely not something you can just run out and pick up at Michaels. Now one of the reasons I prefer the Legion over Arches is because I use my paper for multiple mediums: printmaking, colored pencil, illustration with pen and ink, and mixing things up!

@benjamina6915 8 месяцев назад

There are plenty of good contenders and alternatives to Arches, not only Stonehenge. Also, Stonehenge legion is still very expensive, depending on where you live it can be even more expensive than Arches... it's double the price here. Thankfully Fabriano, Hahnemuhle, Baohong, Schut and even Clairefontaine have watercolor papers that are excellent contenders.

@dorotac4594 Год назад

Fun fact, In Poland Legion block isn’t cheaper than Arches.

@ThienKimLam Год назад

Thanks for the comparison. I've never used Arches. Did you share where we can get the travel brush you used in this video?

@KristyRice Год назад

Oh Arches would be a fun indulgence for you!! Travel brush is coming in the Spring :)

@Makachopping Год назад

I say "Arches" like an American LOL. I love stonehenge but DO NOT use washi tape on it!!! No matter what washi tape I use or how long it stays on, it rips the paper and it's TRAGIC. I do like Arches a lot but I feel like I never use enough water for it and end up unhappy with the results. I just need to practice.

@peacockfeathers7409 Год назад

have you tried putting the tape on your shirt first? it works for me

@Ailantan Год назад

I pronaunce it the same way as you.

@twinmomma2011 Год назад

1st! Woohoo! Love all your content!

@KristyRice Год назад

Yay! Thank you!

@romavermeulen5285 Год назад

thank you for the comparison! i cannot always afford Arches

@KristyRice Год назад

Who can!!?

@MarieGiammona Год назад

Are you saying "Engram" watercolor paint? Also after your recent paint comparison, purchased some lovely Jackson's pan colors. Bought both full and half pans. Now I can't find a decent (and pretty!) full pan tin, or even just full pans that have some kind of magnet system that doesn't permanently adhere the pans to the bottom of the tin. Ideas, other than amazon which I've exhausted, of art supply houses that would have the clutch system your tin has that doesn't require magnets? Amazon doesn't have full pans with magnetized adherants for the bottom of tins in full pan size. Did look at tiny magnets on amazon since I believe you said you put in pans with paint (maybe I'm wrong about that?), but turned off by the reviews of magnets coming apart just in general use. Just ordered another K Rice watercolor paint collection. Starting my watercolor journey and loving your paint!

@KristyRice Год назад

M Graham :) Palette styles like my own will hold half or full pans :)

@MarieGiammona Год назад

@@KristyRice Do you sell your tin as an empty? And what is spelling of "Engram" watercolors (that's what I heard anyway) you mentioned in Arches vs Legioiin paper video? thanks

@kayaj3802 Год назад

You can buy empty watercolor tins with the metal brackets online at Dick Blicks Art Store. They might be a bit boring in just black but you can decorate them with some lovely stickers or Acrylic Paint Markers 😁 The second palette Kristy used were from the brand 'M. Graham'.

@gigiartstudiowithartistvir3919 Год назад

I like Stonehenge paper and would buy it again to save some money. It seems like Arches has really gone up in price by quite a bit.

@teresafuller3912 Год назад

Kristy, have you compared Arches to Baohong? I really enjoy the Baohong

@dayoffnow 9 месяцев назад

LOL, everyone I know pronounces it like you do. I've known for years that's technically not correct. But over the past several decades, I've met maybe one artist who said "arsh" - everyone else just says "arches" (like the golden ones). 😆I think some are clueless that's incorrect, some are uncertain what's the correct way, and some (like me) just go with the flow.

@brian_hibbs Год назад

I say is like the two curved structures, Arches.

@mellyn3924 Год назад

I have some legions Stonehenge paper, I mostly like it but i have it in a block and it’s weird because the glue gets built up around the edges so my new painting gets paint from the previous paintings unless I use washi tape, which of course defeats the purpose of a block

@nancycurry26 Год назад

Kristy, is Stonehenge a brighter white than Arches? I’m using Hahnemuhle now because I like the shift to a cooker white. Thank you for this video!

@KristyRice Год назад

Maybe a bit but nothing dramatic

@teresawilson9530 Год назад

Has anyone used Blick 100% cotton blocks? I have used them and find they are very similar to Arches, not quite there but really good. And cheaper.

@KristyRice Год назад

adding to my list of things to try!

@kizzykat9120 Год назад

Wouldn't the layering issue on the Stonehenge paper be solved by waiting for layers to dry? (new to watercolor so just curious)

@KristyRice Год назад

Glazing or layering is best when you let each layer dry thoroughly and inlet mien dry in the big leaves about 12 hours in between each layer. The video edited everything together…

@JessicaCardarelli Год назад

I actually thought it was pronounced A r c h e s and so many people pronounce it that way. I found out it was pronounced “arsh” when I heard another RU-vid artist say “arsh”. I googled it thinking it was a different brand ( insert embarrassed emoji here ). These demo/comparison videos are SOOO valuable and helpful. I have Stonehenge but wanted to try Arches. Held off due to the expense and not knowing what the difference would be. So appreciate you taking the time to do that for us. I think I remember you saying that the Arches block paper wasn’t as good as their larger loose sheets. Do you still feel that is true? Thanks again! 🙏

@KristyRice Год назад

If I had my choice I’d always go for the large sheets cut down, then the block, then the pads BUT I often opt for the convenience of the block.

@autistikait Год назад

I’m Canadian and bilingual so Arches naturally sounds like Arsh to me haha.

@patticake5311 Год назад

Have you compared Arches to Fabriano Artistico? Btw, I've always said ArcheS, promouncing the s at the end.

@morgenmachen2400 Год назад

Hi everyone! Sorry, this is a really long comment. Couple things I wanted to mention. First I'll talk about the differences mentioned between brands. Almost every issue Kristy mentions with Stonehenge- the tearing, the issues with layering and glazing , the soft feel of the surface- all of this is a result of sizing. Primarily being that Stonehenge is not surface as well as internally sized, as Arches is. The surface sizing slows the absorption of pigment and water into the layers of the paper. That surface sizing is what really allows watercolor to look so luminous. Also, it protects the integrity of the cotton fibers. Arches is often described very 'thirsty' meaning it can take a lot of water, because of that sizing. It allows one to scrub and lift easily, because the pigment hasn't settled down inbetween the fibers of the cotton; it sits on top. I mean, if you like masking as a technique, then you wouldn't want to work with any papers that aren't surface sized. You will quickly see how fragile these papers are. It's not just being surface sized that lends Arches the many qualities it's adored for, it's the type of sizing (comes from bovine or sheep intestine I believe). There are vegan externally sized papers - Fabriano, for example, for those of you who are vegan (and if you are, you might want to carefully research the ingredients in your paints as well). Fabriano's vegan sizing renders it still more durable than Stonehenge but it's not the same as animal sizing by a LONG SHOT, not even the newest formula. About the price - I would suggest checking eBay. I find fantastic deals, usually one pad or block at a time, sometimes from sellers who don't paint and don't recognize the demand for the product. Another way to cut costs is to purchase sheets and cut or tear to size, or purchase rolls. If you calculate the cost of a square inch for each option you'll find it worth the extra trouble. I do regularly use paper other than Arches - Saunders Waterford, Bao Hong Masters Choice, Hanhamule and have tried many more .When I say Arches has NEVER failed me I mean it. I've ruined a good number of paintings on my own lol, however it's never been an issue of the paper when it comes to them. For that reason I keep coming back to this paper, particularly for paintings that I know will require a lot of time and effort. Edit: correction in comments, sizing for this paper is made from boiled rabbit bones.

@KristyRice Год назад

Ahhh thank you for giving us the reasons!!!! Yesss!!! So grateful!!!

@MrsBarnabas Год назад

Morgan, the gelatin comes from rabbit bones (rabbit being eaten as commonly as chicken etc, here in France where the paper is made)

@morgenmachen2400 Год назад

@@KristyRice you're sweet Kristy. I'm always wondering 'why' - its gotten me into some trouble lol. Hopefully my comment was helpful to someone who also wonders.

@morgenmachen2400 Год назад

@@MrsBarnabas oh, thank you. I believe I might have been thinking of ox gall. I'm going to edit my original comment so I don't misinform anyone. Thank you again.

@MrsBarnabas Год назад

@@morgenmachen2400 Yes, the artist's ox gall comes from oxen - most often, these are castrated males, but they can also be females. A castrated bull is usually called a steer. Anyway, I'm glad that my random bits of information are useful at times!