Too bad I dont want to repair aircraft I want to fly them, but I already purchased a huge Stanley set with 1/4 and 3/8 ratchet and sockets... ONLY THEY'RE ALL 12 POINT!! And my scooters are all 6 point bolts
76, 73 guy also did TBMs and GA. A good set of 1/4 and 3/8 are a must. 1/2 you can cheap out on a bit. Keep em flying boys! Even the stick shakers need heros.
Titanium aircraft fasteners are 12 point, usually 1/4" heads and in a space where you need 1/4" drive; most of my ARP fasteners are 12 point accessible with 3/8" drive. Harley uses 12 point engine fasteners requiring 1/2" breaker bars then a 1/2" torque wrench for re-installation.
I was working on an old outboard motor once and the bolts holding the actual motor to the rest of the thing were 1/4” 12 point heads. Luckily I had a 1/4” 12 point socket. It surprised me though, 12 point sockets are definitely good to have around.
Head bolts on a lot of Diesel engines like 19,23 liter Cummins, 30 liter Cummins, 50 liter Cummins have a lot of 12 point bolts . Starter bolts on Caterpillar, Cummins, Detroits, 12 points are all over these big diesel engines, and the equipment they power. 12 point bolts are used on a lot of automotive stuff as well . Drive shafts on 992 caterpillars, Cat uses 12 point all over, Kawasaki loaders do also, and so much more.
I'm embarassed to say it wasn't all that long ago it finally dawned on me that 12 point sockets were really a detriment when working on hex fasteners. God only knows how many bolt heads and nuts I rounded off with 12 point sockets (and box end wrenches) before it dawned on me that....hey...this never happens when I'm using those danged 6 point sockets and wrenches I never want to pick up. So I still have a ton of 12 point stuff that I'm trying as best I can to replace with decent 6 points as budget permits. Uggh.
drive shaft bolts for semis are 12 point. I have a set of axle sockets that are 8 point, on trailers socket size goes from 3 1/4" to 4 7/8" and they are 3/4" drive.
driveline bolts, head bolts, front wheel hub to knuckle bolts, starter bolts on some vehicles, axle nuts, flex plate bolts...that's about it lol.If I was on a 12 point socket fix, 3/8dr shallow/deep and 1/2dr deep.I would encourage anyone, to invest in 6 points first.
You need them for when you round off a bolt or nut using cheap tools. Find the closest 12 point that doesn't fit and pound it on with a large hammer an remove.
If you work on cars and don't need a 12point socket set then that really explains what level you're on as an Auto Technician. Head Bolts, flywheels, Main bearing caps, Rod bearing caps, Axle nuts, Driveshafts, Pressure plates, and the list goes on!
I found them on some aftermarket performance con rods I bought and they were super high torque so you might want to add on get a tool truck brand as well. I did use a craftsman china 12 point I had laying around but if I was torquing on the reg it would be a snappy. Since then I bought and recommend for everyone that builds motors to get 10-14mm in a snappy atleast in 3/8. Imo it is the little things that hang you up the most when it counts. You can always run out to the hardware store for a large specialty socket in 12 point. Oh and before I saw the end get them in deep as well chromies are the way to go.
For my 2007 R6, the swingarm calls for a 42mm ring/castle nut socket. I was thinking of getting a 42mm or 1-5/8 socket and cutting it. Do you think it matters much whether the socket i'll be cutting up is a 12-point or 6-point? Yamaha's official tool is only a 3-pin socket, even though the swingarm's ring nut has 6 slots in it. However, Motion Pro's version is a 6-pin socket. Do you think I should do 3 or 6? Torque is 68ft/lb.
Need them for driveline applications and for some axle nuts too.I only had to buy one for the Toyota axle nuts,a 12 point 30mm deepwell impact socket.Tried a 12 point 1 3/16,a very sloppy fit.The smallest 12 point fastner I have seen was a 1/4 for Harley Davidson rocker box bolts on their evolution engines
Justin remember the conversation with snap-on 12point sockets,you already bought those back then, if you don't have them today, your loss after paying 1000 bucks for the 4 sets.
FORD driveshafts 12mm 12pt. MINI cooper spark plugs 14mm 12pt. I bought all GEARWRENCH 12pt sets DEEP and SHALLOW in a set. cheap at 50% off have 1/4”. 3/8”. 1/2” 12pt cost me $400 with ratchets and extensions 👍 for that cost I don’t care if I hardly use them.
It was mentioned already, but 12 points are meant for 12 point fasteners period. I have 1 set chrome deepwell 3/8 drive and 12 point short 1/2 inch impacts.
We took the Head off a D4 one time it was old took the pony moter off rebuild that broke 2 snapon breaker bars on the Head had a cheater bar on it with 300++++ lbs of Norman pushing it with wally and me and Finley got it thanks to Norman was going to get the 4wd and use a chain but luckily it broke free but 15 years in the woods in Maine beat the crap out of it so I know what you're saying.
I heard folks say you don’t need 12pt and that 6pt is better. I was skeptical and kept my 12pt socket set I had purchased as my first tool set - just in case. Fast forward a few years and working on a rusty BMW, those 12 points saved me numerous times where a 6pt socket could not hold the bolt head due to the enormous amount of rust.
I use 6 point semi deeps and 12 point shallow and deeps in 3/8 and 12 point in 1/2 shallow and 6 point in 1/2 deep and 12 point in 1/4 deep and shallow.
Yes, just about every car has something that is 12 pt. My Toyota fly wheel is 12 pt. My Volvo wheel nut is 12 pt., etc. But I try not to use a 12 pt socket on a hex bolt/nut, unless i don't have that size in 6 pt. Another good video, Justin. Thanks!
I rarely use 12 point for automotive use, but for the examples given I bought 12 point impact sockets. I rarely use them so having them in chrome and impact does not make sense to me. You should try the new high torque Milwaukee impact. It is rated for 1400 ft lbs of torque. It is kind of overkill for automotive use, but when you need it you need it. I live in the rust belt and use the Milwaukee stubby and mid torque about 95 percent of the time, but for the 5 percent of the time the high torque is awesome.
Great topic Justin. My last socket purchase was 12 point deep set in 1/2 drive. I'm more old school, I remember when most all the, especially 1/2 drive we're all twelve point. I don't think I've ever broken a twelve point, more likely to round off the fastener so that's why they came up with the 6 point. I want to get a Carlyle 12 point metric 3/8 drive set next. Most wrenches are still 12 point, I did get myself a 6 point wrench set in sae and metric they do have their place.
I just moved my old 12 point sockets to an overflow tool box, haven't used em in years. As a hobbyist if I were buying tools now i'd skip em and only buy them one as a time when i encounter a 12 point fastner.
Great video thanks brother. They are becoming used more on semi trucks than they were. Keep up the great work see you in the next video thanks again brother
Great video. Made a lot of good points but there is no way the half inch Milwaukee impact isn’t going to take that the bolt off. Which kind did you use and it wouldn’t do it you said you use Milwaukee and snap on? Was it the half inch Milwaukee with 1400 foot pounds torque? I take the rusty lugs off semis those that are torqued to at least 550 ft-lbs. And most of the time guys are putting them on with three-quarter and 1 inch guns you know they’re talking I’m a lot more at least 800 to 1000’ pounds
For automotive, there are certain situations you will need 12 pts. I just keep a cheap set of them around for the once in a blue moon I need them. Otherwise I am pretty much 100% 6 pt.
Was taught for general maintenace department work and basic car repairs to always purchase & use 6 point sockets. I'm a retired sparky that also had to pwrform some mechanical repairs on machinery. In my 50 years working only needed a 12 point socket couple times a year. Needed a 12 point on some electric pallet jack & fork trucks.
These days most brands of 12 pt. sockets use a version of Snap-on's flank drive so there's less chance of rounding off a hex that's in reasonably good condition. I'm not saying you shouldn't use 6 pt. sockets, just that it's not as risky to use a 12 pt. these days.
i promarily wotrk on nothing but pre 75 american autos. I removed all metric gear from my service cart. The only need for metric for me is the occasional VW bugs.
I ran into that situation recently ,I went to the junkyard with my brother which he need a connector from a 2003 Mercedes nothing but 12 points .I like holy fuck I only got 6 points because I was only taking parts for my Honda.Luckily I walk around and found another Mercedes with the connectors out because someone took the sensor and left it hanging .
yes 12 point sockets are great! my newest set set is 3/8 short snap on 12 point impact ones! they are kickass! had to warranty the 1/2 all ready! sorry man but the VT 365 heads those arent that bad try a ISX head! with head bolts we just grab the 3/4 gun and the come right out! cheers man!
If anyone here is considering aircraft mechanics, then the opposite holds true. 12 point sockets are essential to everyday use, while 6 points are almost never used.
It seems to me the question I have weather someone needs to have 12 point sockets or not really depends on who the question is about. For a mechanic, it sounds like having 12 points available is a definite requirement. For an average DIY person, it seems like it may be possible to never encounter a 12-point bolt still. All my Chrome sockets pretty much are 12 point, but, today, I don't think I've ever had to use one on a 12-point bolt yet. That said, clearly if I were to take on more complex automotive projects, I would definitely need them.
You have got the Holy Grail of sockets there, The 10mm over here in the UK you only ever get to use your 10mm socket once and then it disappears into the 10mm black hole lol
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I ran it to that problem on jeep Cherokee break caliber bolts went to takeoff the caliber didn’t have them add to run across the street to AutoZone and pick up a set
I love matco I was driving in the back roads and seen a nice beat up matco tool box so I stopped it had a crap load of matco tools worth over 6k I put adds in the paper but not give it to the cops because they lie and keep them.
