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0:00 - Intro
0:46 - Latency with Bluetooth Devices
3:06 - Testing Bluetooth Controllers
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@Taetro Год назад

After watching this video, would you trust using Bluetooth MIDI controllers? Thanks again to Distrokid for sponsoring the video! Get 7% off your first year of music distribution at distrokid.com/vip/taetro

@kivancco 6 месяцев назад

The latency problem in Bluetooth speakers is not only due to the size of the transmitted data but also stems from the conversion process from digital to analog that occurs in the speaker. The sound is transmitted as data via Bluetooth, and the speaker needs to convert it into an analog signal and then amplify it, which unfortunately takes time.

@magiceye4656 6 месяцев назад

💯 agree with this

@bontea5545 5 месяцев назад

There is no difference in time between DA converter and amplifier in Bluetooth speaker and DA converter in audio interface and amplifier in wired speaker. The biggest delay happens in transmission of data before DA converter in Bluetooth speaker

@foljs5858 5 месяцев назад

Not true. If that was the problem, it would also be a problem for any DAC - including any digital audio interface or the built-in audio output on a laptop. The time to convert in the DAC is negligible. It's the polling time and transmission time (and sync) for larger audio streams under BT that is where the latency is introduced.

@foljs5858 5 месяцев назад

@@magiceye4656 Don't agree, as it's wrong...

@olhoTron 3 месяца назад

Converting audio from digital to analog and amplifying it is, for all intents and purposes, instantaneous What takes time in bluetooth audio is converting the raw PCM samples to the SBC codec and back to PCM on the receiver, I'm by no means an expert, but I noticed there seems to be a efficiency vs latency tradeoff in audio codecs, and since SBC was designed to be very easy to decode they had to have large frame sizes for it to have acceptable quality at a low enough bitrate Also theres probably a lot of buffering on the receiver side to mitigate the effects of packet loss

@musicmoonshine 7 месяцев назад

So I own a korg nanokontrol studio, and while the bluetooth latency is roughly imperceptable while you keep playing it, if you pause for a second or two the first note is delayed, like it wakes up and then sends, you can get around this by tweaking the knobs the whole time. I wish I could bypass this

@musichette. Год назад

thank for what you doing, really helpful! i still prefering wires in my liveset

@CJMarsicanoPA Год назад

I picked up the MWAVE a few weeks ago and have been using it to do demo versions of my tracks on my iPad. It’s come in handy for when I don’t feel like going upstairs to deal with my iMac and my Launchkey 48 ;)

@mirotation 5 месяцев назад

Do you have any delays ? And what app are you using ? :)

@CJMarsicanoPA 5 месяцев назад

@@mirotation I haven’t noticed any delays at all. On the iPad I’m using Logic Pro For iPad, since on the iMac in my home studio I run Logic Pro. I’ve also been using the MWAVE via USB to play some things into the DAW when I don’t want to use a full-size keyboard.

@mirotation 5 месяцев назад

@@CJMarsicanoPA did you try out bluetooth in logic on iPad ? :)

@hatempire Год назад

Thank you for the great informations here. Also, the all black M-Vave, damn!! 😍 I guess I just chose my first midi controller ever!

@CameronWinters 7 месяцев назад

I picked up the black MVave a few months ago and it’s been rock solid.

@keithlutman5611 6 месяцев назад

Excellent video, really informative. Many thanks.

@PRKR_Music Год назад

Hey Taetro, I've recently become a big fan of your channel! I was wondering what your opinion on Native Instruments tools such as Maschine or Komplete is?

@gracetelegadis9789 8 месяцев назад

Hey I'm having problems with this exact midi, It's not connecting or working and i'm confused how to connect it to my iphone.

@wolfgang8872 Год назад

I‘m with you loving Bluetooth MIDI, having the Yamaha MD-BT01 and the CME WIDI Uhost to get DIN and USB MIDI Devices connected wirelessly. But you actually caught me with the JBL Flip, saying the Aux In has no delay. Because all my different brand Bluetooth speakers are having latency on their analogue inputs, probably because they A/D the audio and process it digitally, before airing it.

@lundsweden 2 месяца назад

MIDI over Bluetooth is okay, because we are talking just a few kb transmitted, whereas even Mp3/AAC is 250-300 kb/s and CD quality over 1mb/s.

@EricOwusuAnkomah Год назад

Thanks man, one thing you haven't done is how you connect by Bluetooth. My Pc can't connect though.

@the_glove 8 месяцев назад

My question is if you can, idk, plug like three of these over BT and jam out with my buds?

@ViewportPlaythrough 9 месяцев назад

hi, how is this m-vave smk-25 compared to the akai mpk 25? the price difference between them is huge(more than 50% on my end of the world), so hows your impression of m-vave smk-25 compared to its price? (would really help a lot, thankyou in advance.. i might be able to join beatober if ever....)

@cornfieldexpress 11 месяцев назад

MIDI is D to D while Audio needs A to D and D to A for monitoring which needs processing twice and hence the the RTL.

@pepedecoatza 7 месяцев назад

You mean analog to digital and vice versa? Actually is only digital to analog when you connect to a speaker. Tge source is already digital. Is not double, and ADC And DAC has not the same conversion speeds

@ShoppingBored 5 месяцев назад

I got an M-WAve week and had to return it the next day due to an unresponsive. These chinese products lack quality control and it's a gamble to get one perfectly working. But the build quality feels pretty solid for the price.

@frankielee713 7 месяцев назад

This has cleared up a lot of my questions. I want to make midi controllers but only want them to be bluetooth. Thanks for the video!

@pepedecoatza 7 месяцев назад

Im new to your channel, i really like Ble, i even built my owns ble controller for guitar and a whammy bar shape. I just wanted to point out that the jbe speaker can induced some latency even when connected by 3.5mm cable. That is because of the internal dsp that it uses to "colorize" the music. I would use a Flat response speaker instead

@Taetro 7 месяцев назад

no issues with a wired connection!

@Pato-gw8it 2 месяца назад

Do you know if the m-vave controller is good for fl studio?

@dendrobium1 6 месяцев назад

Thank you so much for this video. I’m curious, have you ever tried the microKEY air? If so, how does it compare with these other Bluetooth midi keyboards?

@andesneko 6 месяцев назад

I don't know about the Air, but I have the nanoKEY Studio and it works perfectly.

@dendrobium1 6 месяцев назад

@@andesneko thank you so much. I ended up going with the M -wave in this video, and I am actually extremely happy with it.

@shutupandgo8025 3 месяца назад

My smk II is not connecting via Bluetooth?

@pleabargain 10 месяцев назад

M Vave: keyboard feel? What are you impressions of same?

@Taetro 10 месяцев назад

Nothing to write home about, pretty standard mini Keybed

@Michael-xr3oj 7 месяцев назад

I just got my m vave 2 and i cant get it to bluetooth connect to my laptop and my pne says i need an app do you know what app i need and is yhe app the problem with my laptop

@WarrenPostma Год назад

I bought one of these M-VAVE ones and they're pretty cool. TL;DR; Midi signals are tiny (a few bytes, not a stream of several hundred kilobytes per second of data) and the latency to send 3 bytes through MIDI is (while nonzero, and slower than wired midi) pretty much a non issue.

@iposhi2Videos 8 месяцев назад

How are the M-VAVES controller now? do you think they're good for long term?

@sunbozhiy 10 месяцев назад

My wireless midi controller doesn't work with windows 11. It connects through Bluetooth for a second and disconnects immediately and then nothing - windows 11 sees it but doesn't not connect.

@melihefe123 10 месяцев назад

Did you find any solution for that?

@sunbozhiy 10 месяцев назад

@@melihefe123 no. Connecting through usb.

@sunbozhiy 10 месяцев назад

on my win11 doesn't work even wireless headphones

@GiangMJ 8 месяцев назад

@@melihefe123 I had same problem on Windows 10, solved by googling and installing this BLE driver from KORG KorgBleMidiSetup112r4 AND Even after you install this driver and pair the midi keyboard, bluetooth led still blinking UNTIL YOU OPEN softwares or plug-ins that use midi inputs I guess because it is in low-power-mode or something

@keemzero4151 2 месяца назад

just got mine today, and man, i cant tell you how happy i am with the purchase. its cheap but built like the best in the market. and yeah the latency is almost non existent

@ElEcodelTren 6 месяцев назад

has anybody used it with FL? can not connect!!...

@nelswebs 3 месяца назад

5:47 you clearly hit the button late lol

@eddij6050 8 месяцев назад

Can M-Vave also be used wired too?

@Taetro 8 месяцев назад

yes

@GangerPlayz 3 месяца назад

How you connected the smk-25 by Bluethoot? Man i tried a lot but i can't

@arylixas Год назад

yo taetro can i make an edit of you? if your comfortable with that and im pretty good lol

@MediaWest 10 дней назад

even high quality on stage in ear monitors have latency. i prefer all my stuff with wires. even 8bit midi streams have issues when you play polyphonically and use controllers. use a the usb midi, much better.

@christopherlyons7613 6 месяцев назад

Question. I have an Arturia Keystep 37 and would like to connect to my Android Tablet & phone via BT (as well as my Win laptop). Using Arturia's Analog DAW on Windows and FL Studio Mobile on Android. Since the 37 has traditional MIDI IN/OUT connectors, I'm guessing I could use something like a WIDI device to allow MIDI transmission via BT. M-Wave has a cheaper alternative called the MS1 that appears to work similarly to the WIDI. Is doing something like this possible? Anyone actually do it with a 37 or other Arturia controller? Thanks.

@salvadoralcarazgarcia8593 9 месяцев назад

Will you try the m-vave SMK-25 II?

@taimaishu99 9 месяцев назад

Where's that? Didn't find it on Amazon

@salvadoralcarazgarcia8593 9 месяцев назад

@@taimaishu99 the video is on the m-vave channel on youtube. It didn’t release yet

@tiffanyanthony Год назад

If I use my M-Vave with my GarageBand on my iPhone, it works perfectly. If I use it with FLStudio on my Lenovo Legion laptop, it has ridiculous latency. I’ve just decided to put it in the closet, and just stick with my wired Arturia controller.

@tracydao763 10 месяцев назад

May i ask when you use the cable is the latency still noticable?

@tiffanyanthony 10 месяцев назад

@@tracydao763 It does still lag, but not nearly as bad.

@morizanova 9 месяцев назад

Gonna try with FL Studio . But in Win 11 with Ableton and Bitwig I dont have so many issues with latency . Yeah it will have latency as stated in options page in ableton or bitwig . But still playable even for fast notes . Did you`ve used/ tried/installing midiberry from microsoft stores? Most my friends who used this M-Wave have problem with latency because they`d tried connecting using default bluetooth connection ( not using midiberry ones) . And one thing make sure in you have BT version 5 in your laptop or machines

@morizanova 9 месяцев назад

@@tracydao763 I can assure you that just fine . Check my another comment above

@gracetelegadis9789 8 месяцев назад

hey how do i connect it to my phone? it won't show up and i have been trying for months lol

@RealDLMusic Год назад

I've been using Distrokid for almost two years now and I had no idea I could collect emails. Thank you for sharing this. I'm okay with hooking up my gear until the technology catches up since my studio setup is still stationary.

@vegaf2011 7 месяцев назад

I’m trying to pick between this device and the korg 😭

@nnnyel 7 месяцев назад

What did you end up getting?

@vegaf2011 7 месяцев назад

@@nnnyel I went with the m-vave I couldn’t pass it as it was on a mega special only paid $60 and well it’s my first midi so fuck it. So far it’s ok I honestly wouldn’t recommend it as when I plugged it into Fl studio you had to do all this extra shit just to get it to work when other devices seem like plug and play even the akai would of been better but oh well I’ll make the best of it

@owizlo Год назад

latency and bluetooth codecs and audio file formats is rough and midi is totally not the same as that. the size of a piece of midi data is so dang tiny. you doing people a favor here

@Dontworryabt_it_nig 6 месяцев назад

How do we charge it 😂

@Fixyou123 4 месяца назад

What program use?

@Taetro 4 месяца назад

ableton live

@MegaTwistD Год назад

The drum pads suck on those m-waves but the Bluetooth is okay,, glitches out every now and again

@MT-on4hn 11 месяцев назад

Should i get panda mini 2 or this m-vave 25 midi?!

@MegaTwistD 11 месяцев назад

@@MT-on4hn you should get what appeals to you the most, sometimes this can be a process, buy one, if you don’t like it just return it and get the other. You can always get a launchkey mini and a widi jack

@zombiethrone3784 8 месяцев назад

Bro we use it for comp gaming 😅it’s fine for music

@Taetro 8 месяцев назад

Sounds like you know a lot!

@quinxx12 6 месяцев назад

I'm not a big fan of your testing methods. I would have ran an audio line into your interface and synced the audio in with the metronome and then compare it to the wireless midi signal.

@Taetro 6 месяцев назад

You should start a channel!

@ctrlartdel 8 месяцев назад

Cme! Almost no latency. I have 10 of them

@CMEPro 7 месяцев назад

❤❤❤

@synthplayer1563 Год назад

Sorry, why not just use a cable? I don't understand why one would use BT for such use cases. A cable is not a problem at all for a midi device, you need a power supply cable anyway.

@RealDLMusic Год назад

I'm guessing for producers that are constantly on the go; makes things a little easier to not have to worry about remember every single cable. Happened to me a few years back when I was on vacation... I picked up the wrong cable and I couldn't make music for a week. BT MIDI and speakers would've helped. LOL

@em_the_bee Год назад

@@RealDLMusic not really, they would've been out of charge after 4 hours LOL

@BreathEmpowerment 10 месяцев назад

@@em_the_beedepends on which you're using, some of them have options for AAA batteries which you can find anywhere. Or plug a power bank into it.

@pTownKyle 10 месяцев назад

iPad Production is the reason I'm looking into. I don't like having to use a dongle, a powered hub, etc...

@morizanova 9 месяцев назад

@@em_the_bee i`ve been doing stress test about this one . And Its working fine for more than two days without need recharging

@manuelgonzales6483 Год назад

🥇🏆🎉❤ I Dream of Wires 🙀

@vasiliszaxaropoulos8726 Год назад

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@nexuzinnovation-com 2 месяца назад

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