Are Clones Troopers SUPERIOR to Stormtroopers on the Battlefield? 

The Clones were designed to fight a war,the Stormtroopers were more of a galaxy wide police force. I like both but Clones were far superior in battle.

Seeing Stormtroopers literally everywhere except Mimban really detracts from the "elite" aspect for me. Not to mention theyre treated like cannon fodder.

Gregor, “They’re not as skilled, but they’re limitless in numbers.” Hunter, “Numbers aren’t everything.”

It's kind of obvious who is superior. The Clones fought in one of the biggest wars in history against deadly battle droids, numerous bounty hunters, all kinds of dangerous monsters and even Sith and Dark Jedi. Stormtroopers mostly dealt simply with uprisings from civilians on different planets and a semi disorganized resistance.

I think I finally realized why I like the Phase 1 helmets so much. I’ve always had a fondness for medieval knights, and the shape of the Phase 1 helmets look very similar to those kind of helmets, at least to me. I can’t believe I never noticed this before! It took me twenty years to realize this!

I mean the Clone Army was designed to kill the Jedi, what it accomplished on the battlefield was a secondary concern. The Stormtrooper Corps didn't need to be as lethal on an individual basis because they didn't have to kill ninja space wizards.

A year ago, Geetsly's done a video comparing the Republic troopers during the Great Galactic War to Clone troopers. Now, Generation Tech did a video that compare Stormtroopers to the Clone troopers. So who will be the next one to do a video to compare the Stormtroopers to the Republic troopers of the Old Republic during the Great Galactic War?

The GAR Clones were a utilitarian military force because they were designed for direct combat in mind. While the Imperial Stormtrooper Corps was more of a light infantry force intended as part of a glorified peacekeeping unit for what was basically an occupational authority for a strict police state that wasn't expecting to fight organized forms of resistance since they figured that not many would be willing to stand against the Empire as much as the Rebellion did. So, yeah it's pretty obvious which of the two is more superior.

I'm curious about one thing about the clones. Has anyone tried to reverse the accelerated aging? Is it even possible?

If Jango was alive he would be so proud of how Boba grew heads and shoulders above the rest.

Thoughts from a actual US ARMY Infantryman I was in Iraq when the movie revenge of the sith came out I served in a US Army Infantry company 11Bravo we did our regular patrols and route clearance Cordon searches and my favorite night time dismounted patrols and setting up Anti IED emplacement ambushes. We got a copy of Star wars revenge of the sith from the haji Mart a boot leg seller of movies and other trinkets we could could buy from sellers on the FOB I remember pulling tower guard one night with a buddy of mine and we got into a discussion of what would happen if we were all of a sudden attacked by a waive of clone troopers. It really boiled down to weather or not they we were up against Hollywood actors in costumes or actual real life clone troopers whether or not we could take them out. if they were actual clone Troopers Not a Chance as our main weapon was a M240 Bravo machine gun and a 203 40 mm grenade launcher

The main reason for the switch from clones to stormtroopers was palpy wanted high intelligence dangerous assassins for jedi murder, a gang in a city doesn't need hyper lethal squads just throw meat into the grinder. Also, paying the cloners enough to buy a galaxy occupying army would make them too powerful, and they'd probably put in another subliminal order to kill empire assets if that payment ever stopped. Then the real leaders would be the cloners not Palpatine and he wasn't that stupid.

Clones and stormtroopers served different purposes. One was a warfighter and the other was an armored peacekeeper. I’d say they could have kept the clone special forces division going since it was still one of the best units they could want in peace or war time, they could just reduce the class sizes to a few dozen every year 5 to ten years instead of every year and use natural born folks to supplement the mission requirements to share the mission load. Clones were still better. As always. More credits, bigger bang.

In 19BBY, Jango Fett Clones made up 99% of the Republic and later Imperial military with the only outliers being admirals and commanding officers as well as Jedi, the Senate Guard, and Planetary Militias. By 0BBY l, Jango Fett Clones were already mostly replaced in the Storm Trooper Core as well as the Imperial Navy only making up about 10% of the Imperial military at the time, only a small fraction of their former glory as Imperial recruits soon outnumbered them in most low level and high level positions, leaving the remaining 10% mostly being the last generation of Clones who were babies in the Bad Batch season 1 moved to other facilities to be raised as well as veterans of the Clone Wars being a minority of officers with some remaining in the Storm Trooper core, but by then most had either died or had been retired, Clones were a minority in the military they once dominated. By 3 ABY only 2% of the Imperial military was made up of Jango Fett clones, most of which were officers as the vast majority of the remaining ones in the Storm Trooper core that were the last batch aged out of service in between episode 4 and 6 as well as many dying in the first and then second Death Star as well as in massive fleet battles against the rebels. Forced retirement was enforced on many as they were seen as too old and a massive recruitment campaign began around the time shortly after episode 4 where the Empire was aware of the growing rebel threat and mass defections so they began to recruit even more non clones than before. The Battle of Jakku was the final straw in which most of the remaining Imperial Clones either defected or died in the horrors of the battle.

Interesting detail that the Imperial leadership saw how individual and humane the Clones became when they were SUPPOSED to just be numbers who followed orders, and specifically trained the Stormtroopers not to fraternize with each other like comrades to avoid such things. They couldn't easily brain chip the stormtroopers...or could they? And honestly I wonder if Palpatine ever tried to implant such chips in recruits

I sometimes wonder if Sidious said to himself "You know, maybe I shouldn't have gotten rid of those clones." xD Sure they were a pain in the ass to create and expensive, but they were world's above stormtroopers in terms of combat and accuracy.

Very good points raised. Clone Troopers and Stormtroopers are both good, but I do favor the Clones. As Alan said the Stormtrooper Corp was a Police Force not properly prepared for front line fighting. The Clone Trooper Corp were trained for front line battle using combined arms tactics. Thus was the superior military force.

We need a show/movie “preferably movie” that shows us stormtroopers being gruesome. It would really expand the Star Wars universe

Another good reason why a clone army is better than regular human armies. The one fielding a clone army doesn't have to pay them, or worry about offering retention incentives - let alone consider about comfort for these troopers. Clones are the ideal expendable fighting force

Do a video comparing Old Republic troops and clone troopers. Old Republic commandos were absolute units!!!

Funnily enough, one of my settings has a minimum training period of... 1 year. Combat training isn't the longest part of the training either (the standard course could be done in _three months_ at most, though specialists like medics, vehicle crews, and the like require at least one month of extra training), but other things including _memetic_ training, i.e. the various courses to train soldiers to be at _least_ resistant to memetic weapons (this takes _four_ months at the minimum). To give you an idea on how powerful these weapons are, they can turn people traitor, cause blue-on-blue incidents, cause desertion, among other significant problems for a military, and this training is designed to minimize their effectiveness...

I'm loving the unspoken support in the background of all of your latest videos. 🌾🌻

You forgot to mention in legends those who are the most takented and loyal to the cause would be trained to become Imperial Royal Guards.

Haven't watched the rest of the video yet. But I did want to make a comment, after watching the intro. Correct me, if I am wrong, but I thought the Stormtrooper corps was more so a specialized reactive force? I thought the main occupation force and infantry component of the Empire was the Imperial Army? I am excited to see the rest of this comparison though!

People usually underestimate Storm Troopers, remember that the stormtroopers were just as trained as clones. They fought alongside the most powerful character in Star Wars Darth Vader and fought battles as often as clones. I think Storm Troopers fought more brutal battles in more brutal conditions, Battle of Mustafar in the Vader comics and Battle of Hoth just to name a few.

Stormtroopers are mainly the villains battling against a small number of characters with plot armor. They weren't allowed competent . The Clones were the "good" guys for most of their screen time. So they were allowed to be as capable in ways stormtroopers can't be.

By the time the First Order was running wild, apparently some stormtroopers were cleaning toilets. I don't recall any healthy but disillusioned Clone Troopers being assigned to janitorial duties. Hell, 99 was malformed and not actually counted among the clone troopers during his life. I'd still pick him in a fight over Finn though.

Would Generation Tech like to make a video about Imperial task force vs. reactivated Separatist holdout?

Thanks for making that distinction between Clone Troopers and the Storm Troopers. I always thought they were the same except that the Clone Troopers were copies of one person.

Of course clones were superior because some of them had plot amour so nobody could ever kill them while storm troopers I don’t think I need to explain it.

I'd even argue that a single fresh out the pod clone soldier could take on 100 storm troopers in a combat scenario.

I've enjoyed Star Wars ever since the first couple seasons of SWTCW after that I watched all the movies, Though it's pretty disappointing that as time goes on the Stormtroopers seem to have less sentience than Battle Droids. We know Clone Troopers have to be objectively superior but it would be nice to see how the Stormtroopers compare themselves to Clones in a Live-Action or Animated adaptation hopefully we'll see it in the Bad Batch.

Well one group tended to hit their targets while the other tended to make noise and miss by a mile.

Basically the clones were almost an army of special forces

So I know a few people did version of what if Earth was in the Star wars. But I would think it be cool if someone did what if our troops were in the clone wars but was using the Gear in Star wars.

A million clone troopers is nothing compared to billions of regular soldiers. Quantity is a quality in it of itself.

Well in current lore they have defiently shown that clones are far superior. Not only better trained, but better equipped. Frankly the fact the clones were trained from birth and designed to take orders makes the army more consistent and lones la k outside problems like families their entire existence is devoted to military. Always loyal. They may be more expensive but the results speak for themselves. Average storm trooper gets their ass handed to them by every random smuggler who fights them. One was built for war, intimatemidation/terror. Frankly in a head to head I'd say clones army is more then a match for the empire s war machine in most battles.

Love to see you compare the republic & Sith military from the Swtor era to the military of the Galactic Republic & Galactic empire.

Thank you

I need some help from the community. Given the fact that during the clone wars both sides were ultimately controlled by the same guy, as how "accurate" can we judge the performance of the GRA? I don't have a good grasp to what level palpatine had control over everything. Was it more like the general, broad direction of the war or was he micromanaging and playing chess with himself?

Clones have Arc Troopers, Commandos, and other Specialists for specific roles, do Stormtroopers too?

Yet again we can see how shallow Tarkin's vision for the Empire was. We even see during Bad Batch that Tarkin was quick to replace the Clones with regular humans and within 10 years the entire army has phased the Clones out, with the Stormtroopers in their OT armor and not the prototype armor seen in Bad Batch. You even see durring the show they burned away any chance to reconsider by destroying the entire Kamino Cloning Facilitie's.

Which of these is superior? Clone Troopers, or Third Generation Dark Troopers (from The Mandalorian if you haven't heard of these or seen the series).

Another difference is their training. The clones were better trained while the stormtroopers didn’t have the time to be trained to similar standards because Empires needed boots on the ground in every part of the empire. At the end of the day the stormtroopers were over glorified police force which may have been intentional since it would make any attempt by high ranking imperials to overthrow the emperor difficult as it would require mass cooperation which would have only had multiple leaks. The worse part of this plan is that police make horrible soldiers and soldiers horrible police.

You have to remember that the "elite" stormtrooper Corp are primarily conditioned to serve Palpatine absolutely and nothing else. Clones are expensive, but turning out an army of unquestionably loyal soldiers takes just about as much money and labor. You have constant ideology testing, regular brainwashing services, selection processes, transportation (because they are not coming out of one planet), ISB monitoring services, the monitoring service that monitors the monitors, and the list might just go on further. My point is that stormtroopers are not even worth the pound for pound to a clone, and I believe that they cost just as much due to the above maintenance costs. Stormtroopers are trained at nothing but being loyal to Palpatine and by extension the empire, combat ability was not a factor because if it came to that the tarkin doctrine takes over and orbital bombardment begins as it usually does.

Clone troopers= quality Stormtroopers= quantity

The only differences clones troopers have vs storm troopers is 1) Clones had accelerated growth and aging 2) Training from a young age 3) Better training 4) Better equipment 5) More loyal This does not mean a storm trooper could not beat/kill a clone trooper.

Besides the obvious plot armor the heroes get, it's worth noting that the Empire struggled against the Rebels hit and run tactics. The Rebels weren't superior in training to the Stormtroopers (usually) they just used tactics the Empire couldn't effectively counter. Look at the Vietnam War as a real life example. I feel like the Empire would have fared more successfully against another conventional military. I'd argue the Empire would win over the GAR especially if they didn't have Jedi leading them. Side note I think a really interesting scenario would be the Empire versus the Confederacy at full force. No Sith to hold them back secretly. Just the massive droid army without limits versus the might of the Empire

The crayons bit got me. With my vision I can't serve but I know enough that have to catch that lmfao.

The quality of stormtroopers becomes even sadder when you realize that they were supposed to be the elite soldiers of the Empire

Imagine the Imperial condolences letters it had to be in the millions a month.

501st, 212th, wolf pack.... don't remember any storm trooper legions that we can name. Also love the jab at the Marines needed a laugh today

Be interested to see your take on czerka corporation since we’re covering a lot of companies lately.

Also if Jango Fett was alive he could have been the one to lead every clone trooper including the bad batch and Boba could be a second in command

This shouldn’t even be a question. Clones were trained from literal birth to be combat units, their entire education and rearing from the beginning was about fighting and combat. Enlisted Stormtroopers can’t match that, no matter how hard they try.

Just remember, “an entire legion of [the emperor’s] best troops” was defeated by two dozen rebels and a tribe of teddy bears.

Your wall had me thinkin I had dirt on my screen.

That crayon line is so underrated 🤣

The Clones are and will be one of the greatest fighting forces in all of Star Wars.

TLDR clones were an army designed to fight battles, stormtroopers were internal security forces designed to fight insurgents.

I kept wanting to also see your video clips on the screen with sunflowers. It's weird to me why the Empire/Tarkin agreed to switch from clones, especially programmable, to troopers. For what? Just for the expense? It seems like the Emperor would have wanted the clones over storms.

Before going into battle I would only insist that the AT-TE armor be updated and equivalent to AT-AT armor. It wouldn't just be a victory or a slaughter it would be a route. The Clones wouldn't miss and the AT-TE' s would outmaneuver flank the AT-AT's and well obliterate them. Always thought that the Empire should have not only kept the AT TE's but should have integrated them with the AT AT's and AT- ST's In concert with good air cover they would have been unstoppable the AT-AT's would be protected and would provide cover for their shorter squatter un trippable protectors.

Didn’t commander Cody say he’d trade a battalion of stormtroopers for one clone?

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I see it this way. The clone were made for war but had nothing of value in the world even themselves, but the storm troopers had a lot more to lose since they had family and a home to defend.

The clones were raised and bred for war where as the stormtroopers were trained to be more like a multipurpose military police force with swat capabilities. Stormtroopers Policing the galaxy one planet at a time.

Please do a video about Dengar

I never thought the Kaminoans looked like dolphins.

I remembered reading a book in elementary school of this or a section of a Star Wars book and ofc that book agrees that the Clones are the superior force.

clone troopers are superior but i feel like stormtroopers get a lot of flak and are weaker in disney canon

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Clone Pros: Are copies of the most dangerous bounty hunter in the galaxy. Can be quickly grown from baby to adult to meet war demands. Are trained from birth to be soldiers. Come in near infinite numbers if you have the resources, time, and enough cloning tanks to produce them. Highly loyal. Clone Cons: The highly skilled and most experienced Clones do not stick around for long due to their accelerated aging. Are crazy expensive to produce. Their loyalty can be taken away in a second if their chips are activated. Storm Trooper Pros: Come in near infinite numbers. Do not need to start from scratch like the Clones. You can just recruit from local populations. An instant army. Only a few months of training are needed as opposed to 10 years of growth for a Clone. Storm Trooper Cons: Are not as trained as Clones. They only spend a few months in an academy while Clones spend their entire lives preparing. Can easily be enemy spies infiltrating the ranks pretending to be a loyal citizen to the Empire. Weapons and armor are cheaper than what the Clones used so that soldiers can be produced even faster. Far more defections than most realize as many are disgusted by the Empire's evil deeds. These are the pros and cons off the top of my head. I still go with Clones however. they've proven themselves highly capable time and time again.

In the Clone Cadets episode of season 2 of Clone Wars, we learn that the first rule clones are taught is to never leave one of their brothers behind and always be united on the battlefront. Compare that to the show Rebels where stormtrooper recruits are encouraged to cheat and betray their fellow soldiers to get to the next step. That is why clones will always beat stormtroopers.

Going by just what we see in the movies its obvious who is superiour: On one hand we have an army thats only tactic is to blindly charge the enemy and at best achieve costly draws and is uncapable of hitting main characters and on the other we have a force that utilize cover, curbstomp nameless mooks and occasionally pierce plot armour. I mean the main characters live but the fact that Stormtroopers are such good shots that they occasionally manage to bypass plot armour is a clear indicator of their superiority.

If you forgot there's not that there were not that many clouds in the storm should precur within the face 3 stone trip robber and 11 blast or rightful was introduced Phase 3 storm trooper armor And the E11 blaster rifle

In a History context; its a lot like the British Army in the Late 1800's - a policing force for the empire, where as the Armies of 1939 and 1917 were Armies meant for fighting a near peer threat.

What is the splatter on the wall?

Question what happened to republic vs earth Series?????

you would think the Cloners would have be smart enough to have accelerated growth rate for a certain amount of time then have it dropped back down to normal so they have a fighting force in Battle readiness shape for a longer

We don’t even need to question this. Atleast clones have aim

What I don't understand is if the Kaminoans were such good genetic-engineers why didn't the clone-troopers genes that accelerated the ageing process turn-oof once they reached maturity so they aged normally?

Generations tech is that a question or not you've seen clone troopers they're Superior Stormtroopers and first order Troopers because they were trained since birth

You also have to take the helmet tech into acount.

Yes

Interesting video for me.

Is this really a debate??

I always considered the Stormtrooper Corps to be the Star Wars equivalent of the US Marine Corps. Considering the Stormtrooper Corps was stationed to be the first into battle, either ship to ship or ship to land, etc, they are the perfect Marines.

my thoughts on this subject are that clones are good for the mental effects of war and are good at shooting droids blindly marching into them and also having secret orders in them while the stormtroopers are far superior at garrison dutys and dealing with gorilla warfare and can think more creatively with certain situations and dont cost so much and take 10 years to be ready

ignoring plot armor and repetitive Stormtrooper jokes, Stormtroopers are steps are far Superior to regular soldiers but clones are literally created to be the perfect soldiers. The only imperial troopers close to there level are the troopers from the True Sith Empire.

To put it in the words of my old guitar teacher, "no matter how good you are, there will always be a Asian kid better than you" meaning someone who started practice from a young age will always be better than someone starting at a older age

Bring back the Orville content!!

Seriously look at the clone trooper armor, looks more durable than the plastic look we see for stormtroopers

Well for one are we basing this around legends lore or movie/show lore? Because legends storm troopers were far more dangerous than the movie/show storm troopers. Two is it squad versus squad or army versus army? The clone troopers were all similar in training and physical qualities while the stormtroopers were far more unique due to the fact that they were not clones(one storm trooper squad might be a bunch of dumbasses who barely met requirements while another storm trooper squad might be a well oiled machine capable of easily holding their own). The storm trooper corps was also far larger than the clone army so even if a clone trooper could beat a storm trooper they might still ultimately lose due to being massively outnumbered. From an economic standpoint you didn't have to pay clone troopers nor would you have to worry about them retiring! From a practicality standpoint the storm trooper army could be far larger and there would be no protesters complaining about the immorality of having a slave army!

The Halo clip in this video made my day

Yes they were made from Jango Fett and had better training.

Yes, yes they are. by virtue of their training, mind-set and above all their ability to hit what they aim at. ^~^

Surely someone else thought the black spotted wall that the TV's on was bits of stuff on your phone screen and tried to wipe them off ? 😂 Or just me maby 😅

Yes, next question?

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Alan speaks facts at the end