I'm half-Jamaican. I love your dreads. As a PoC, I recognize the discrimination against black people for wearing dreads, braids and other natural hair styles. It's not cultural appropriation. Instead of getting angry at white people for wearing dreads or braids, we need to be mad at the racists who deny blacks the right to do the same.
White people with dreads can have trubles finding jobs too. And can also be judged to be poor dirty or potheads. It says more about the judging then the one with dreads.🙏
@@TrailerParkPolak 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 and people who want to take locs away from non-black people who love, respect and appreciate their locs are not better than the colonizaters who forced black people to shave their heads, not better than the people who fire/insult ppl when they get locs
As a black African, whenever I experience that term "cultural appropriation", I am unable to contain an involuntary sigh. It feels like such an ineffectual hill to die on. I guess the forces of woke liberalism are at it again. Without litigating the origins of the culture in question, shouldn't the question be, "Does this mock, belittle, exploit or oppress those who "own" the culture?" If not, should we not celebrate the broader appeal of said culture? Am I missing something? BTW, black culture is a misnomer (I am sure this is common knowledge - forgive my pedantry). But there are probably as many cultures as there are tribes and ethnicities.
The sense I get is that the term "black culture" is a product of US-centric narratives. Since so many black Americans are descended from slaves that were prevented from practicing or passing on their historic cultural identities, a sort of generalized pan-African-with-American-characteristics identity group formed over a period of generations and was then exported to the rest of the world through US dominance of mass media in the 20th century. Sorry if that's all super obvious, I don't mean to -splain.
Most times it's other white people that complain the most about cultural appropriation. It's like having a straight dude trying to explain how it feels to be gay
Thank you Tenman X for hitting the nail on the head! Many people claim that part of the reason dreads on white folks is appropriation is because the media/society finds dreads on white people cool and fashionable but black people with dreads are oppressed for the style (denied jobs, called "dirty", viewed as "druggies", etc). Well as a white person with dreads, I can say that all of those stereotypes are absolutely applied to white people. I have a bachelor's in Social Work but get paid just over minimum wage for a low level position at my job. If I want to move up in the company, I will absolutely be expected to have "polished" hair. However, there are several black managers at my organization with dreads. Why? Because dreads look more polished and acceptable on a person of color (and, possibly, because the company would be afraid of getting sued if they had the audacity to tell a black person to change their hair).
Why is woke only used to vilify the left? Each political culture has it's own version of being woke. Denial culture on the right is the same as woke. I'm sure if we look into anarchism and libertarianism we will find a form of woke culture as well.
@300bpm the use of the word woke is a left thing. The self important, smug, know it all attitude based of of ones belief in an ideology is not solely a left thing. Evey side has their version if being woke. Most people who use work condescendingly are their ideologies version of woke. Woke is being alert to injustice. Most of those who complain about the woke complain about the injustice the woke culture commits against them, their ideology, party, etc. Today no one is willing to admit their own or groups failings only those of others.
Thing about dreads... They're not some kind of fast fashion gimmick. It takes years for them to mature and grow... and you have to expose yourself to all kinds of ridicule from drunks and boomers. They get caught on velcro, take hours to dry and during hot summer days feel like you have a heavy cat sleeping on your head. I believe the amount of commitment to the cause kind of cancels out any appropriation angles. Because it's a hairstyle that cannot be worn without respect and commitment. That and the fact that they are the natural hairstyle of the uncombed human head.
I think no one group of people owns a monopoly on any hairstyle. In fact even the idea of "stealing" culture is strange to me because culture constantly changes and naturally as everyone migrates. I'd even go as far to say that adopting another's culture, granted respectfully and with education, is generally a net good for humanity in increasing perspective awareness and diversity acceptance.
Honestly this “debate” about dreadlocks is one of the most pointless things I’ve seen, and it’s funny to me that people on the left get bent out of shape over it, it’s a hairstyle, not only that, but since your hair NATURALLY grows that way it’s not your fault! I would think that people on the left wouldn’t care since your hair is a part of your body and you should do with it what you please, instead there are some people here that think they should have authority over what you choose to do with your body and that’s pretty damn authoritarian, I’m laughing as I type this because this whole situation is just ridiculous to me, we live in a world dominated by capital, for the first time in human history capitalism is a global system, our planet faces ecological collapse, and the left is still recovering from decades of being practically dead to the world and there are some people arguing over this crap; you keep your hair the way it is, forget about the people that need to get their priorities straight; besides I think it looks great on you!
i would claim those people are not on the left. liberals are not left wing and so on and so forth, culture appropriation is a real thing while this subject is a nothing burger. being able to see the nuances in things is important.
@@benjamin2713 Thats funny you say that, Im Polynesian and blacks told me that im appropriating black culture which I find funny ASF. Last time I checked its not a black thing. Like the guy in the video said people all over the world had em a long time ago.
@@benjamin2713 I absolutely do get dreads naturally. When I have long hair I have to comb out WEEKLY the dreads that have formed at the back of my head. So please stop spreading misinformation, not all white people have straight hair
I think intent is a lot more important than spiraling into a dubious historical defense. The basic formula of "people from several groups have done X, so X isn't associated with any particular group" just doesn't hold true to the way the social psychology operates. For example, there have been slaves of pretty much every race at some point throughout human history, but claiming that in contemporary America there is no racial association with slavery would be absurd. Obviously that's an extreme example, but the formula holds pretty much the same. Digging up scattered historical counter-examples doesn't really negate the way something reads to the general populace around you today. Of course, even if we say it is appropriation, whether or not innocently-intended, individual acts of appropriation are even a real problem is a something I don't feel I'm in a position to say. TL;DR I'm not really sure I have a point here, but the framing of the argument bothered me.
The fact that true facts bother you is sad in its self. I don't know why this would bother anyone. His locks look good let him ware them with pride. There is so many narrow minded people who really want segregation again just look at this CRT bollocks being pushed up on the kids today. This kids are just gonna grow up to hate. Not love. I say peace and love to each and everyone in this world 🌎 bless up
The biggest problem I have with this issue is when other white people are trying to play the judges in what is cultural appropriation or offensive to other people and cultures. Also treating people and cultures as monoliths isn't the best way to think things. Typically one person or even a group cannot represent the whole culture or group they live in.
If people stop playing culture police and mind there own damn business, the problem would be solved. White people along with everyone else can do whatever they want.
It seems to me americans (and maybe other countries in the so-called developed world) have an utmost desire to highlight the culture they belong to. Which ends up being a very distorted and over-exaggerated identity surrounding your appereance. Weirdly enough, for these woke americans, cultures are reduced to being white, black, latino, etc. And it is funny because for us outside the US, it is weird af. I feel most of us (latin americans, africans, etc) see the US and say "wtf we don't do that". I believe cultural appropiation exists when these big pharmaceutical companies visit indigenous tribes and steal their traditional medicin and knowledge without even giving them any credit. That's abusive capitalism. But dreads? C'mon.
I don't think people know what cultural appropriation is, or how unimportant individual appropriation it is. An individual doing appropriation is not likely to be a threat or 'theft' of something, it's more likely to be of benefit to the original culture, usually born of deep love of that culture. Cultural appropriation is bad on an industrial scale--on a scale that is a direct circumstance of capitalism's need to market a culture's aspects to those outside its culture and remove any context from said culture. Basically, individual action never matters.
As a white Canadian with dreadlock myself, I think it's still worth addressing it when someone call for cultural appropriation, at least when it's coming from a position of oppression. Not that we should stop having dreads, but to question everything at least a bit can help put in perspective one own privilege. Like having privilege does not mean the right solution is to avoid benefiting from that privilege. The term cultural exchange, not that dread is necessarily that, is worth thinking about. There is also a nuance to give between blackface and dreads and another nuance to have in the reason itself one have dreads, like is it for Capital of some sort only or is it personal, given that we can not always know.
Cultural appropiatian, as it was explained to me by non-white leftists, only truelly matters if it is on a systemic level, to not just "steal" an aesthetic, but to actually steal economical bases of communities, making their survival and lifes harder. And THAT is definitely something to consider. So from that point ongoing, you're not making anyones lifes harder by choosing an aesthetic you like. I mean, as an anarchist, the idea of contricting an individuals freedom in aesthetic choices based on group identities is kinda abhorrent. I certainly wouldn't want to be forced to walk around in traditional bavarian clothing, just because I was born there. Fuck, I hate that. But that sounds like the consequence in many cultural appropiation discussions on social media. To only wear the aesthetic "your" culture came up with, to not appropiate another one. And that's in the end right-wing traditionalist thinking.
"Cultural appropriation", is, like so many things, a systemic issue more than an individual one. And even then, I think the main issue there is the cultural _suppression_ end of it.
So the thing about Cultural Appropriation is the hegemonic culture or a culture with more power appropriating parts of a culture with less power in such a way that it controls those aspects of said culture. Dreadlocks is such an example, black people all over the world in white countries have had dreadlocks(and other forms of distinctly African styled hair demonized and seen as disgusting, dirty, unprofessional, ect. So that style of hair being used as a fashion choice by others and sweeps a lot of that under the rug as white people can "rock" the dreadlocks style while black culture is still seen as dirty. A way to solve that is to validate and fight discrimination against those types of hair when it comes to black people. Cultural Appropriation is not you doing something from another culture or even from your own culture, it is contextual on the dynamics of the society you take part in and how cultures within it can exploit and harm others. I can find sources on this historical problems if you are interested in it.
Except for the fact that no white person with dreads is saying they rock theirs better than blacks, infact they admire black hair texture because it works well with dreads. People grow dreads to grow dreads, it's literally a natural hairstyle.
K like so much of what you said is really just reaching at best. I'm sorry but I have never heard a cogent argument for dreads being cultural appropriation. "(and other forms of distinctly African styled hair demonized and seen as disgusting, dirty, unprofessional, ect." Where are these people who think this? Like literally the only "black" hairstyle I ever knew of that people thought was dirty or gross was the curl from the 80s, because when people with that style leaned their heads on anything it left a really oily mess behind. I have never heard anyone call a black person with dreads dirty. White people, especially white girls, yes, absolutely. But I lived in the deep south from the 70s- early 90s, and until I dreaded my hair and started having to listen to this cultural appropriation nonsense, I had not once ever heard anyone bad mouth a black person's dreads at all, in anyway. I was always under the impression that black people with dreads, especially black women, were seen as neater and more put together. Which in itself is racist but yeah...
@@whitetransgirlwithdreads lol 8had dreads, well kept dreads at that, and every one I ran into called my hair dirty and disgusting despite me washing my hair legit twice a week just so people wouldn't say that, I have gotten sent home from school because of my hair, have gotten fired from jobs because of my hair, all because it was "gross" and "nasty", while in my thrid year highschool, a white guy at my school got praised for his dreads, and his were nicer than mine because his apparently "his hair was well kept" even though he admitted he only washes his twice year, so yes honey it happens.
@@khickenmoney107 okay, consider this... Racists are assholes and hypocrites. So even though I've never seen this, it is possible that since white people who have dreads are, in my experience, seen as dirty, the racists you've encountered are just latching on to that to justify their hate. And if that's the case, then it ain't "cultural appropriation" that's the problem, it's the racist sacks of shit you've had to deal with. And on behalf of decent white folks everywhere, sorry 'bout that. We've got folks working on it everywhere, but all of us have that asshole uncle we're ashamed of and nothing we say can penetrate his fox "news" armor.
I keep hearing comments like "people wear this while blacks get fired for it" or like when that Jenner chick caught hell for cornrows... NOT wearing those styles will not automatically make corporations more tolerant so you're barking up the wrong tree. I'm a white girl with curly hair, trust me, been told plenty of times that my hair was unprofessional, lol. Oops.
Some of us just do it for spiritual purposes and they have been all around the world so my take is, wear them with respect and look and appreciate it's history
@@jjseaworld71 Most of us actually think dreads look better on "white" people, we just don't say that out loud much... but okay... keep shaming and being racist towards white people... Ignorance is bliss they say. Hopefully you learn more than just your view point on the world... sad sad sad...
@@pampelmouse yes they did, it was very common in middle ages for people to have dreads actually since taking care of your hair was not really a thing back then for majority, really doesnt matter if your hair is straight if you stop combing it it will turn into dreads pretty fast
@@dinamo.slavonija the vikings combed their hair regularly and there are no sources to suggest the celts wore locks, these myths were created in order to make white people feel comfortable wearing them
So from what I could gather by researching online, dreads weren't really a thing in Europe north of the Alps or at the very least they were uncommon. Celtic warriors of the early records would bleach their hair with quicklime and style it to look like spikes but in the later records, especially in Gaul, it was more common to wear the hair long and loose. Germanic people around the same time on the other hand did what was called a Suebian Knot which is basically a manbun on the side of the head. Generally when we find archeological evidence like bog bodies the hair is braided or plaited. Dreads seem to have been more of a Mediterranean thing especially among the Greeks and possibly Iberians and Celtiberians. In late Antiquity and the Early Middle Ages the Norse in Scandinavia seemed to favour what I can best describe as a reverse mullet: short at the back, long at the front. The Gaels in Ireland seemed to have a similar hairstyle but it looked a bit more like a bowl cut and that style lasted longer into the Late Middle Ages. The point I'm trying to make is that dreads would most likely have been pretty rare in Ancient and Medieval Europe although that doesn't rule out the possibility that some individuals might have worn them. Generally dreads outside of Subsaharan Africa seem to have been associated with specific social classes like sadhus in India, Spartan hoplites and certain classes of priests among Indigenous Mexicans. As you mentioned in the video curly hair turns into dreads way more quickly so its no surprise that they were more common in Subsaharan Africa. That being said I personally wouldn't think that "white" people wearing dreads is necessarily cultural appropriation simply because, as you mentioned, it's a style that can be found in multiple cultures. But then again I'm not a POC and I don't have dreads so what do I know
@b- dubz Hence the term artistic expression, I wanted to leave a distinction there on purpose. I apologize I should have mentioned that distinction as a secondary sentence. This is the only records, however logically speaking we can infer it most likely was very common in other places. To also touch base the term Dread most likely came from Upper East African warrior tribes being described as such. I wanted to touch-based as it seems you know your stuff and looks like we can have an interesting conversation. Are you referring to the modern sensibility of "western Civilization" or strictly speaking from a historical POV that it began in early Hellenistic origins? I am not trying to be Pedantic, as the modern one is predominately Rome or Romanization of Europa/Christendom.
@b- dubz How did I miss that!?!? You're absolutely right, I completely forgot the Minoans. To jump off on what Jarred Emanuel was saying, calling them "Western" though is a bit of a stretch. They had more in common with other cultures of the Eastern Mediterranean like the Levant and Egypt.
@b- dubz That is possibilty. I think in general many people have lost their ability to understand nuance. Thanks for the information, Yea over all people nowadays need to truely understand back then Race wasnt what it was now. So they didnt really define things as we do.
@b- dubz no I meant its a stretch to call the Minoans 'western' as we understand the term 'western' nowadays. Nowadays we generally associate 'western' with a specific set of criteria that revolve around race and a racialised understanding of culture and religion. My point was that the modern understanding of the term 'western' doesn't fit the minoans since they were in a very different historical context. I wasn't saying that its a stretch to say they had dreads. I completely agree with you that dreads were widespread in their culture. Sorry if i didn't make my point clear enough :)
@@batavica4135 All cultures around the world seem to have had some sort of dreads...no culture owns it... But upper Egypt,north Sudan and Ethiopia may have been the earliest along with India... No one owns a hairstyle
I've been super torn on this in the past, going back and forth on the issue for years. I'm almost 100% white-passing and for a while I had a kind of "half dreadlocks, half down" hairstyle because that's just what my hair does. It's very thick, somewhat curly, and naturally wants to clump together, so I just encouraged it a bit and let it turn into dreads. Year or so later I shaved all my hair off (not particularly because of the dreadlocks) and soon found myself pretty convinced by the "dreads are cultural appropriation" argument. I still find myself tempted to side with people who say non-black people shouldn't have dreadlocks just because it's the easier opinion to have in leftist circles, but I just can't fully agree with it. This video pretty much sums up why I've thought it's okay in the past but I just don't know man.
It's fine, it's not appropriation, it's just hair. I feel like you're overthinking it. Also, I think you should think how YOU want and not be influenced by anyone else... saying "it's the easier opinion to have on the side I choose to associate with" is not a good way to go about life.
Do you understand that some of the worst atrocities in history were allowed to continue by the mindset of "well it's easier to go along with everyone else". The cultural appropriation like most things, started as a noble cause and was adopted by separatists who wanna divide people. When i see elements of my culture being adopted and used by other people in new ways it makes me excited because it's to me proof that we're all able to coexist and appreciate each other's backgrounds and cultures. If you "stick to your lanes" then you have less to relate with and therefore you're less likely to diversify.
I’m going to be getting synthetic dreads that are double ended and I’m going to be 41 this year. 🥰 They will be my birthday present and I’ve been wanting them for so many years. I’m so excited but at the same time I wonder if I’m going to stumble upon someone that doesn’t agree with it. I hope not cause I feel like we should be this open minded about it. This is sort of a bucket list for me though because I’ve always found myself admiring them no matter who wore them. They’re just beautiful and my oldest son will be getting them for me. He has seen me have such crazy hair styles but I can’t help it, that’s how I’ve always been and will most likely always be. I hope that one day we learn to love each other no matter what someone looks like. We all deserve to be happy! 💖 much love and respect to all!! 🙏
I would also add that it's harmful to shame people for their choice of hairstyle because it reinforces the idea that racism can be solved by addressing the behavior of individuals. Pushing for broad systemic reform is difficult and frustrating. Progress is marginal at best and can easily be undone by demagogues. It's crucial to differentiate between justice and the intoxication of revenge for perceived slights.
I think that a lot of people don't have such a big problem with the appropriaton personally but the fact that the hair texture of the non white people is very differrent from the white people's curl pattern and hairstyles created by and mostly for the pattern of that group can damage white people's hair if done unprofessionally or if the hairstyle is not suitable for their hair type. I'm talking in general, I personally knew about the information he presented in the video and have no issue with his dreadlocks whatsoever.
i had locks for about 15 years and never once had an issue raised about them from "leftists".. as other commenters have suggested.. the couple times anyone raised the issue they were center-right types.. (liberals) who tend to run with shit they half understand rather than make a comprehensive examination of the issue (as you have in your video) the few times it did happen, i would use it as a jumping off point in attempt to drag the liberals a little bit leftward.. "you wanna talk about racism? white supremacy? the necessity to crush those tendencies? Great! me too. lets." ..and i would also point out that my hair represented something i did NOT do to it, rather than something i did to it.. 'don't call it a hair-do, its a hair-don't.'
Personally I don’t really care what people do, but I don’t think it’s the place of the person being accused of appropriating the culture to say whether or not it’s cultural appropriation 😂
Short answer: No. slightly longer answer: Even though less popular in most cultures, there have always been people with dreds (under various names) across cultures worldwide and it simply isn't exclusive to anyone any more than than what is now called a "Mohawk hair do."
My first round of dreads I did the top of my head like urs. I loved em but did regret not doing my whole head. Which brings me to round 2 now.. Yours look good man keep spreading the word about dreads cause people think they understand but don't.
Thank you For throwing away racism for this, it is not a Black thing, Dreadlocks is an Original man thing , and that means all man. stay locked and stay strong.
Hell no it doesn't even look good on white people y'all white people aren't even really dread heads just stretching for a reason that you can use stuff that is used by black people the most
Dreadlocks are European. Oldest known depictions of dreadlocks comes from the Minoan civilization 3000 BC to 4500 BC which represents the first advanced civilization in Europe, leaving behind massive building complexes, tools, artwork, writing systems, and a massive network of trade. Just an interesting part of history most have probably never heard of.
My friend is half Grenadian, he has dreads. His white Ex wife has dreads, their son has dreads. I've always wondered how white or black you have to be for it to become cultural appropriation?
i dont wash mine, why pay to put synthetic chemicals into my hair and make morally devoid corperations rich in the process?i guess maybe you were raised by idol worshipping capitolistic pigs, so maybe you just dont know better.... idk just a thought...YOU SHOULD TRY IT SOMETIME!!!!
Actually the method ppl use to get dreads that's called "neglect" isn't even a very good way to form dreads. It's better to use a special shampoo. Clean hair locks up better.
I got sick and I never brushed or took down my hair because I had no energy, after 5 days I started to feel better and decided to brush my hair, yes! I had a couple of Dreadlocs in my straight hair, I had to cut my hair to bring it back to normal.
One small nitpick, there's no actual evidence that the Vikings ever wore dreadlocks. There are accounts of one guy getting matted hair after forgoing personal hygiene while on a revenge mission, but nothing specific enough to say "yes, this is clearly referring to dreads". In Greece there are statues which seem to very clearly depict dreads, and there's a depiction of a Celt on a coin whose hairstyle may or may not be a type of dreads, but there are no such depictions for the Vikings.
fjrjejd giriejfn you are correct, there are many writings of about the Vikings that describe snake like hair and whether this refers to braids of locks we may never know however I’ve some very good descriptions that indicate it referred to dreadlocks
I am white and I also have an undercut with dreads, very similar to yours. I think this issue is not as simple as just right or wrong. Something like blackface is clearly discrimination and racist as it is a direct parody and mimic of an entire group of an oppressed people played for laughs. Dreads however not worn in the same circumstances. White people with dreads don’t wear them out of parody. They wear them because they appreciate the hairstyle and like it. Wearing dreads is no easy task. Black or white, you will face discrimination for dreads. It is hard to find a job and people will think your trashy and assume the lowest from you. I’m sure black people experience this worse than whites however. I think all dreadheads, black and white and everything in between, need to drop the stigma they have about eachother and fight to break the stereotypes that society has about them. It is truly an example of cultural appreciation i believe.
Imo theres is a difference between appreciation and appropriation. One involves respect and mutual enjoyment of other cultures, the other is about expropriating and profiting off of the culture of others. Cuck philosophy has a video about world music and cultural appropriation. I think its a good video that kinda shows what it really means to culturally appropriate.
Just a minor point, but there's no such thing as a single Black culture, there are and have been a great many Black cultures, once of which of course is Black American culture, which I assume is the once you're referring to here. Otherwise, great video :)
Brother I’m glad you have made this video about real dreadlock history. But my friend everyone needs to remember and understand that there is only one race! The human Race. And other ethnicity’s don’t have a patent on who you are and how you choose to express your self or your heritage. Even if people tie your hair style as being the same as black face. Who cares! Haters are going to hate. You be you brother.
Earliest evidence of dreadlocks & tattoos are from European peoples but every kid today has a tattoo and black people have dreadlocks, so should i feel offended? No, cultural appropriation is stupid and people need to chill and start caring about things that really matter!
The word “Dreadlocks” comes from the British who, during the 19th century when fighting with Kenyan warriors, saw their “locs” and called them dreadful; thus the term Dreadlocs. It wasn’t just the Kenyans with locs, the Nigerians, Fula, Wolofs, Maasai, Kikuyu and even Egyptians had locs as well as the Egyptians having wigs made of locs to style their hair too and the Egyptian and African tribes date back thousands of years. So locs aren’t new to Black people. The term “Dreadlocs” wasn’t used by the Vikings or given to the Vikings by any other culture describing their hair. Nor the Native Americans or the Indians. So, it’s possible their hair may have been braided more tightly. If left alone, most African (and all other Black people across the diaspora outside of Africa) hair texture allows the hair to loc naturally due entirely to the curly textures. Straighter hair takes half a year to a full year to loc while African textures take a month. Locs worn by African Americans have caused students to be excluded from graduations, athletic events and other get togethers. It’s also caused Black women and men to be fired or reprimanded within their employment. This natural style, based on their natural hair has caused the CROWN Act to be created to do away with the aforementioned mistreatment. To the contrary of that are non-Blacks not having a problem wearing what’s done in Black culture obtaining jobs as well as making a trend out of what American society judges Black people for. I believe this is what’s spoken of when referencing cultural appropriation amongst Black people. No one is trying to stop non-Blacks from doing anything but when it comes to how Blacks are treated badly for things of their culture that others can do with no regard, it is worth mentioning and getting squared away or else you’re doing unto them what society is still currently doing.
I think one thing that needs to be acknowledged is the coined name “dreads” that was actually named from black culture. When discussing multi-cultural diversity, probably the more appropriate name is locs. I am learning as much as I can about black history and full history of locs too.
@Bomber Harris yep indeed! They are called braids not dreads ^.^ It's been new to me too but it's honestly fascinating learning about the origins of different types of hair styles.
I say as long as you acknowledge the current hair (hairstyles currently associated with black people) issues and the hardships when having a hairstyle like this (which you did in this vid), then it’s ok. I have 3 white friends who have had dreads for years, since I met them (mid 2000s) and I never thought of it as cultural appropriation. I say do you, your dreads look nice. 👍🏾
I looked everywhere but couldn't find any copyrighs for dreadlocks, so I guess everyone is free to choose his hairstyle in peace, again when people want to rant they will always find an excuse to do so.
I'm an old white lady with a septum ring and I occasionally get flack for "cultural appropriation" from my black coworkers who also have nose piercings. It's a strange position to be in as they are my friends and I want to respect them but at the same time, I feel like it's just a mild form of unresolved passive aggression on their part. Sure I can take my ring out, and YES it will make them feel powerful/heard/respected (i guess?) but my nose ring isn't hurting anything, I love the way it looks and what it means to me, and in the end, is possibly pushing the narrative that neither aging nor face jewelry are "bad."
Nimm dein Septum bloß nicht raus !! Das ist total rassistisch 🤮🤬! Es ist doch völlig egal welche Hautfarbe du hast, wo du herkommst, welches Geschlecht. Du darfst mit deinem Körper machen, was du möchtest ! Ich trage dreadlocks und ein Septum und niemals würde ich mir von irgendjemandem sagen lassen, was ich an meinem Körper zu verändern habe !!!
Lmfao!!!! Black people weren't the first ones to have nose piercings. Christ people try so hard to be victims in this day and age!! Put all that effort to something positive.
@@j.j.529 This comment section is English my friend, and I don't think it is racist to say that as a black person, but rather a misunderstanding of culture and its history. Other than that, I agree!
I've had the same things said to me about tattoos, that it's "cultural appropriation" of one form or another. As you said, "Which culture?" I'm British. My English ancestors go back over 1000 years to the Normans, my Welsh ancestors go back further, to the Celts. To the origins of the word "British". From "Briton". From "Britain". From "Prydain". Meaning "painted". "Britain/British" literally means "the painted people". The very word "Brit" literally means "tattooed". So who's culture am I appropriating? It's mine, isn't it? My culture. I'm allowed to appropriate that. That's as much ours as it is any other cultures which ever stuck ink under their skin. But this is what the racists have done to us, in their appropriation of all things Anglo. You know why we don't have white culture, the way other ethnicities do? It's because white racists have stolen "whiteness", they've appropriated it. Nazism is cultural appropriation, it's stealing our history and our heritage and smearing them with hate.
“Painted” because they would run into battle with their bodies painted blue with dye. Tattoo is a version of the word Tatau. From the Polynesian peoples. To the point of celts and Vikings having dreads, The account we have of that is from a Roman saying that they wore their hair like snakes. Most likely plaits or braids. The word dreadlocks is a term made up by white peoples to describe the Africans they came in contact with.
Personally, I don't see dreadlocks as cultural appropriation, but although I'm a POC, I'm not of African descent, so my opinion on this particular topic doesn't mean very much. As for something I can talk about, white ladies, please stop putting chopsticks in your hair and dressing up in Asian costumes (unless it's for cosplay and you're dressing up as a specific character). I don't know if it counts as cultural appropriation, but it looks stupid. Every time I see it, I imagine am Asian woman putting forks in her hair and asking "Does this make me look more white?"
You do know the sticks women put in their hair are not the same as chopsticks right ? + your whole argument is basically what this video is about.. YOU are the exact problem spoken about in this video.
I haven't seen us put chopsticks in our hair. I have seen... Gee, I don't know what to call them, but they're tuning-fork-looking things that, when in hair, might be mistaken for chopsticks. I've also seen a loopy thing that you put a stick through to keep a bun up. I've also been known to put pencils in my hair because it's a convenient place to put it. Or I'll use a pencil to hold up my hair. I've seen sticks that are meant to decorate hair specifically. But if I ever see someone with chopsticks in their hair, I'll ask them if they're planning on having hair in their food.
The Celt/Viking dreadlocks thing is a myth, real historical records show no recorded case of Germanic tribes wearing dreadlocks, they would prominently display the "reverse mullet" or long hair, but the closest to any actual recorded European dreadlocks being worn was the Poles who would grow a long shaft of hair on the back of their head. However, these were not dreadlocks since they did not naturally form in their hair and were a product of many substances being used to clump the hair together. I don't have an issue with other ethnicities wearing dreads but its the literal definition of cultural appropriation to say that European countries had already created dreadlocks, especially when dreadlocks literally cannot form in straight hair naturally without specific tampering/matlocking.
It would be like saying that if a woman wears french braids that shes trying to act like she's french. I'm white and 65 and i wear my locs for religious reasons that are my business. Judging people by their skin color, bank account, or hair style seems rediculas to me. I in no way set out to offend anyone by wearing my locs. Can't wait till mine are as long as yours😊
Weren't the students who were arguing in the hallway doing that because of a social expirement though? I remember hearing at the time that the two were friends and did this as a expirement for the class they were in.
Go back long enough, EEEEEEVERYBODY had dreads. The world wasn't created with hairbrushes. Go back far enough and you see we are all the same . No hate just people being people .
That sounds like something someone who's arrogant that hasn't seen the world would say Obviously you only remember the good times and not the bad times smh
It has been my understanding that the hairstyles amongst germanics, celts, and nords were not dreadlocks. That ancient Celts and Germanic men's hairstyle included a matted style (like, imagining the whole head forming one lock, as opposed to a lot of little ones) and that the Nordic people were more fond of braids. I know the Nords were known for being almost obsessed with the upkeep of their hair, some being found buried with their personal combs. The idea of these groups having locks is new information to me.
I think there's a difference between you wearing dreadlocks to specifically claim to be Rastafarian or you wearing a hairstyle that imitates the natural state of not giving a shit what your hair look like if you don't wash or take care of it.
I remember in the 1980's I had friends that had dreadlock. I was living in Boulder, CO at the time. It was a fairly progressive city at the time. There was a leftist bookstore and a leftist radio station KGNU. I tried to grow dreads but couldn't. I am part Canadian Aboriginal so that explains my flat hair.
Being against 'cultural appropriation' is doing a kind of racial segregation. I don't see how people can see wearing clothes, jewels or hairstyles from another culture being insulting. It is mostly a compliment, people appreciating the style. Being Native American, I sold Native American jewels and clothes for years to people of any nationalities. If native crafters were to only sell things among natives, we wouldn't be able to live with that, every natives have native jewels and clothes already (okay not everybody, it's a stereotype but still...), but the fact is that it's fun to share our cultural style with others and we should never keep a style for only one race or culture. Beside, what about the mixed people? What Japanese percentage must you be before you get the okay to wear a kimono?
Dreadlocks are not exactly like blackface. Blackface is a specific thing that has only ever been used to mock dark-skinned people and their supposed inferiority. But the point that you acknowledge, that you, wearing dreadlocks, are not treated like a black person wearing dreadlocks, is not invalid because of that fact. "Cultural appropriation" is a somewhat vague term that covers more than one specific thing. The more clear cut version is where someone from outside a culture uses artefacts of that culture for profit, as when white people recreate and sell art in aboriginal styles, especially when they fail to disclose that their art is not created by aboriginal people. The other form is more contentious and is where a person of a privileged group uses (or appropriates) signifiers of a marginalised group. You can wear dreadlocks for as long as you like and accept the stigma that comes along with that because it is associated with a particular marginalised group (black people) while knowing that at any time you can cut your hair and be accepted as part of the privileged group again. Black people don't have that luxury. Whether they choose to wear dreadlocks or not they will always be seen by mainstream, white society as lesser. Your adoption of dreadlocks could be seen as a sign of solidarity, but it is entirely voluntary, so it could also be seen as opportunistic. It's a visible proclamation that you are part of the oppressed group when everyone knows that you're actually not. And even with dreadlocks, you still don't face the same discrimination that actual black people face. And the historical argument is just completely irrelevant. Discrimination is not based on historical fact any more than it's based on scientific or biological fact. A white person with dreadlocks is not read the same way a black person with dreadlocks is, by anyone. What you communicate by wearing your hair that way is not the same thing that a black person communicates by doing the same thing because meaning is created by the audience, not the author. Your intent means nothing if it isn't effectively communicated, and in this case it just isn't. Also, least importantly, your hair just looks terrible. You'd look way better with shorter hair. Cut it off and grow it back out to about shoulder length (or slightly longer) without the dreadlocks and you'll look great. And trim your beard just a little bit to smooth out a bit of that roughness.
@@banessuperbrutalmetalfunti2561 Lol. He just needs to wear oversized clothes, doesn't necessarily have to be Adidas. Jenova Lee is right; the Adidas campaigning was definitely revolutionized as Korn's image.
If truly dreadlocks are what happens when you don't brush your hairs, then vikings certainly didn't wore them. One of the most found items in scandinavian tombs are hair combs and brushes, and also razors and tweezers. I generally don't really take part in that dreadlock debate BUT I tend to ask for more sources when we use history to back our agument and list certain cultures as having worn dreadlocks. Because it often comes from historical misconceptions. Vikings braided their hairs, but braids =/= dreadlocks. Some scandinavian people in the Xth century also wore a style of hair in wich they would shave the back of their heads and keep them long on the front. We have pictural evidence for this. As for celts, we really don't know because the sources are too few and unprecise. I was able to find some information about spartans and they didn't wear dreadlocks, but would rather tie them in a knot over their head, and comb them before battle. That's what I know for european civilisations. Most of those we know didn't wear them. Polish people in the XVIth century did have something that would look like dreadlock, but looking even more dirty and like just a big uniform mound of dirty hairs called "Polish plait". But that's all. I'm refuting this argument about european people having worn dreadlocks so if the debate continues, bad or poor arguments are discarded and better are found by both sides of the argument.
I am on the side that this is just a hairstyle from multiple cultures passed down all over the world. The term “dreadslocks” did come to be until the Rastafari movement. before the term Rastafari people of that culture referred to themselves as “dreads”. It is depicted in the Bible that Sampson have seven locks of hair with gave him is strength. In multiple cultures it is believe that a persons energy leaves from the top of the head to it was thought that having the hair in knots would keep the energy in and give them inhuman strength. There is an account of them originating in India as the followers of Shiva (a deity in Indian culture) has dreads locks as his depiction did. The proof in Egypt can be found in a simple google search of images and articles of mummies who has been recovered with there locks still intact. The only accounts that I know of specifically regarding the celts and that the romans wrote about how they wore their hair like snakes. That seems pretty clear to me that this style has been all over the world in different cultures. And yes of you are trying to make money off of something that another culture struggles with, I would consider that cultural appropriation. But regarding supporting and wearing your hair this way because you want to and you like it, go for it, people have been for thousands of years. Sorry if this is all over the place lol. I hope I got my point across in a respectful way.
I’m a white guy with ElfLocks and that is the term my ancestors used. But it’s a dumb argument in that if you’re an American and you tell another American it’s “cultural appropriation” then you don’t understand the definition of “culture”. Because in America, America is as it turns out your culture 🤯 What’s really cultural appropriation is eating pizza that wasn’t made by an Italian 😂😂😂👍 I need no one’s permission to not comb my hair 🤷♂️
I am nearly full Scottish and Celtic dreads is a thing yes, as Vikings wore their hair like that years and years ago it was there daily wear considering they could not really do much with their hair back in the day. I am and have considered getting dread locks to represent where I come from and it is where I come from. I believe how ever people want to wear there hair is fine as long as it is no offence of anyone else people should be able to express themselves naturally
I believe the dread community should come together and educate people on how they’re not gross or unprofessional. And it sheds light on what white privileged is, when I had my dreads I had some discrimination because of them, I realized that I was just getting a small fraction of what the black community receives and I gained a lot more respect, empathy, and education for the black culture sense then.
I used to have the same issues when I had my ears stretched. That, too, comes from multiple cultures. I'd also like to add, that I used to call your hairstyle "dreadlocks", as well. That is until an angry black man at a protest informed the entire crowd that the word "dread" was added by slave merchants and owners. I'm aware that it's lost that meaning for the most part, but this guy was Pissed. So, I personally try to just say "locks". That's my experience, for what it's worth. EDIT: I personally think the lockhawk looks awesome! 👍
...Do stretched earlobes retract? ...I was just wondering, I see some really stretched lobes with hollow plugs...and I think... "I can see the wall back there through his earlobes..." I understand part of the point of the younger generation's fashion choices is to appall old people like me, so that's gonna happen.
@@grmpEqweer Yes they do. I had mine up to 10mm (00g) and I took them out about 3 weeks ago because I felt like my time with them had passed. Mine lobes are almost back to a normal piercing size now. But I don't mine them being slightly larger than the norm, because I like putting multiple hoops through my lobes. And to clarify, I'm 21, and I didn't do it for any kind of reaction. I did it because I am a Tibetan Buddhist and the Buddha himself is depicted with stretched lobes (from all the heavy gold he wore in his ears before he renounced his status. They symbolise wisdom) and becuase I thought they looked beautiful. The same with my dreadlocks, I just stopped brushing my hair 3 years ago, to let go of vanity and to become more comfortable with myself. Dreadlocks happen naturally when the hair mattes together from lack of combing it, but with caucasain indaviduals (like myself) it can take a bit longer to knot together.
@@grmpEqweer they do if you don't stretch them to fast, and you should use a natural oil like jojoba or grape seed. If you move up in size to soon you could tear the skin and have scare tissue that dosn't shrink. You could also go past the point of no return, like I did. I got to 5/8 (16mm). They shrank a lot, but you can still see light through them.😔
I’ve read that the ‘dread’ in dreadlocks comes from the dread or fear of god. The religious people that had dreadlocks to denounce vanity and focus on god coined the term because of their fear of gods wrath over vanity... 🤷🏻♀️
Thank you!! Moreover, Of the cultures that exist today, Hindu has the oldest records of using them. And they use them as part of a sacred religious vow... Americans are the less suitable ones to claim locks property
I have always wondered about the dreads = cultural appropriation argument. But as a white person with the straightest hair in the world yeah, dreads wouldn't really form naturally on my hair. But I know plenty of white folks with very curly hair who they could/would form naturally on. It seems like there should be a difference between someone with curly ass hair wearing dreads and someone going Full White Rasta Bro. But as straight haired WhiteieMcWhiterson I defer to others on the topic. But I'd be curious to see more in depth explanations as well. With something like an individual hairstyle I also end up wondering about the harm. Like I see plenty of things about native artists encouraging white people etc to engage with their culture through eg purchasing native made jewelry, art, etc, instead of buying the apropriative knockoffs that are exploiting instead of supporting them. (ignoring "ethical consumption" issues for now, there are additional issues with these kinds of knokoffs, eg mass producing things that are supposed to have spiritual significance) But then if wearing signs designated to be from another culture is automatically appropriation, how would one ever wear said native made jewelry? Are you supposed to advertise that you got it from a native artist instead of the mall or something? I feel like I must be missing something. idk i'm rambling.
Far as I see it, the legit criticism is when the "appropriation" is monetized, but it's still kinda iffy to latch onto what inevitably becomes identity politics (in the spectacle mode ofc)
I have a suggestion. Instead of whites feeling the need to defend themselves for having dreads or people calling out whites who do have dreads, instead whites should take on the burden of trying to dismantle the racist oppressive systems and stigmas that disenfranchise black people for having dreads or cornrows or afros or any other hairstyle common to people of color. Maybe I'm speaking from privilege here. But it's a thought.
