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sorry if it came off as a bit of a roast, it's a sweet movie and the costumes weren't actually bad
hii karolina i was hoping if you would do a video on what was appropriate to wear when in one of your videos you said that there were some rules about which fabrics were "allowed" for an opera gown or when you could show shoulders and neck etc
@@balaynganiyebe it's a strange period in time somewhere between the 17th century and 20th century that encompasses all yet none of the traits from this period of roughly 4 differening centuries.
Every movie with a corset they have to show how "painful" it was putting it on. 100 years from now when they do a period piece movie of 2020 there will be scenes of someone struggling to tighten their bra, in pain buttoning their pants and nearly in tears tying their shoes😂
@@Nataliejn LOL! I totally had that same thought right after I posted my comment. So ok maybe that's a little more accurate than the corset perception🤣
they'll be filming something in an "ambiguous 2000's era" and have someone dressed like 80's Madonna, Kurt Cobain, The Spice Girls, The Matrix leather and Billie Eilish
Women were often laced so tightly their breathing was restricted leading to faintness. Compressing the abdominal organs could cause poor digestion and over time the back muscles could atrophy. In fact, long term tight lacing led to the rib cage becoming deformed
I also mentioned this in my comment on modern gurlz' video but it's literally a plot hole that her costume is so inaccurate. The whole point of her dressing up like that is to be in disguise, so dressing so scandalously and out of the norm would have been a _terrible_ disguise. She should've been caught immediately.
ppl don't have a concept of what did and didn't count as Sexy in 1890 or whatever but that dress needed to come across to the audience as Sexy so i think it was a reasonable sacrifice 🤷 def could have been worse
karolina, a professional: some of them look 1830s, some of them look 1870, it’s really hard to see what they’re going for me, illiterate, mouth full of pizza in bed at 4 in the afternoon: yeah what a rookie mistake
If you look into the Reform Act or Women's suffrage in England you just get even more confused 🤣 40 years apart and they happen at the same time in the movie
sometimes when a 1990s movie does something painfully 90's i like to scream DATED and i need to make a habit of doing it for 18th and 19th century movies lmao
As an Enola Holmes book reader, she wears her corset loose on purpose to stuff all her belongings in it and to be able to move more comfortably, aka it’s done on purpose :)
Yeah that's what I thought. And like her mother is clearly a feminist, she taught her daughter things at the time that were "meant for boys" so she was always kind of dressed slightly less feminine. she also doesn't see much other people besides her mother
I thought it was pretty while I watched the film. I couldn't pinpoint what was off about that dress until Karolina mentioned the bodice looking 18th century and the skirt, well, not. I still think it's pretty even if it's a weird mishmash. I did sit there while she wandered through the warehouse district in that and wondered what happened to hats, shawls, outerwear of any kind.
@UCSnBZ2XxR7_ekpmbC0CeaSw Off brand Karolina! Bernadette! Thou must be one who lives in sea (Sorry Posidon) to insult such an amazing and graceful person! Who might I say is a joy to this world and a friend of Karolina's!
Lol imagine in a couple hundred years there’s a movie set in the 2020s and a fashion historian saying things like “No, moustaches and galaxy print is mid 2010s, you can’t mix it up with low rise jeans from the early 2000s what is this madness!”
I’m honestly okay with older characters wearing older fashions. I’ve seen so many older ladies wearing things that would belong in the 50s/60s. Not to mention the cost of keeping up with the changing styles. This means that poorer people would also be behind the times, fashion wise. Everyone in a movie wearing the same year’s fashion doesn’t check out for me. Granted, when has that ever happened? But I totally agree about when styles go “into the future”. Pick a date, don’t go past that!
OMG, I know some women like my Dad's ex girlfriend who has had the same hair cut and style since the 80s! I wonder who she even goes to that can do that feathering technique. Her layers go to the top of her head. She got breast cancer and lost all her hair to chemo and then as soon as it grew back enough got it layered the same way again..
Absolutely! When I did period costuming for theatre at uni that was rule number 1 for us. Younger characters are able to be PRESENT in their fashion sense, but never in the future. Also taking into account social movements and fashion that went along with that, and what those trends meant. Karolina mentioned Aestheticism and Art Nouveau and those are great examples! Older characters especially middle age and above might be dressed in older fashions, especially if it fits with their character - a stodgy older woman who's used to older styles might absolutely wear outdated clothes.
Here you had older conservative people wearing fashion of the future while some young and wealthy city dwellers were behind the rural folk. That is pretty much opposite to "wearing clothes appropriate to persons age and standing"
I liked how they did this with Maggie Smith's character in Downton. She seemed to veer more towards an older style of dress. People often like what they grew up with, and I felt that was a nice detail.
In the books, Enola wore out of date clothing quite often. In addition, in the scene where she acquires the corset and red dress, she is in a used clothing shop so it makes sense that her clothing is out of date rather dramatically.
But out of date doesn’t excuse wrong time of day- that neckline isn’t a daytime neckline. It just seems as though the director was like “ah, just throw together a bunch of vaguely late Victorian stuff, no one will know the difference”. Except we do know the difference. And it stands out as being wrong.
YES THANK YOU Also she's been living in the countryside with an eccentric mother and has no idea what fashion is. All the clothes she wears when she's on the run and second hand and not made for her, which is why they look odd on her
Miss Violet Nightchild I feel like you’d know what is deemed inappropriate or appropriate at the very least, just by sheer common sense. Like today, you’d know a cocktail dress isn’t for like, going to the office...
Ines Furtado me too. I tried telling people that the myths about corsets are false and they got mad at me. One lady said a closet made her fat, which is funny cause a corset movers your fat to the back. So it was just her own fat lol
Me: not knowing absolutely nothing about historical fashion Also me: ahhh yes 20 minutes of Karolina explaining the difference between 1890 and 1880 fashion
Yeah that's the part that threw me off the most watching the movie. Right off the bat I was like, "Okay, she's 16, so we're in 1900 now!" and then literally everything else we saw contradicted that.
I love how in the beginning of the movie mycrosoft asks enola where are her gloves, because a lady must wear them, and then through the whole movie I haven't seen any woman wear a glove once
May I point out the NSFW-scene-if-you're-a-victorian-being: She brings the young man to her room. Alone. Without a chaperone. And they sit on THE SAME BED. THE INDECENCY. Edit: Yeah, she might not know how to behave, BUT THE BLOKE MOST CERTAINLY DOES BECAUSE HE IS AN EDUCATED INDIVIDUAL
I was wondering how she snuck him up there even. And then they were discussing SHARING the room? Like that's not okay then and if adults are around it's not okay today.
Don’t forget her chemise and drawers are just out and about in that scene and they hardly even address it except for her getting very slightly embarrassed. Even in the 21 century if a man is coming into my space the first thing I do is hide my bra (assuming I left it out that is)
Pretty sure the point is that Enola has no idea what you’re meant to do in social situations cause her mother never taught her and she lived in isolation.
Melissa Okeke you could be onto something with that, but also in the beginning of the movie remember she is in her chemise and drawers with her brothers and Mycroft tell her like “no you really shouldn’t be doing that” so it’s not as if she’s completely unaware even if it was just her and her mom before. And I’m sure she would have had some concepts of propriety based on the books she read as it mentions her reading a lots. Even if she was completely unaware, Tewksbury definitely wasn’t, and he should have put the kibosh on it right away.
I think what you missed from the quote is that she doesn’t just say “a corset a symbol of oppression” she says “a corset a symbol of oppression for those who are forced to wear it”. To me it’s the “forced to wear it” that changes the meaning, she’s not just dragging on corsets, she’s just dragging on being forced to wear them, she’s aware that when it’s a choice it’s not a problem. 😊
Yep! Plus the scene where the corset comes in handy really just puts in a subtle point of femininity being powerful in it's own way when chosen and desired.
However, back then it wasn't a "forced" idea. It was wearing under clothing no different from a bra is proper attire. There was no alternative, to go without was paramount to being naked. We can't apply modern thinking to day, to the thinking of the past. None of the clothes would have fot properly without a corset.
@@cantankeroushousewife2942 i think it's more that it's "forced" in a way that it's an expectation of women, just as bras are today. There's a lot of people that think not wearing a bra is sloppy, or "slutty," when obviously that's not the case. So while it's not literally forced, I think it's more speaking on the constructs women are expected to follow.
@@cantankeroushousewife2942 The alternative is to not wear a corset under their dress. The fact that that's considered "basically naked" _is_ evidence that it's a bit forced by society and looking "proper". For small-breasted women like myself, there's really no physical need to wear any type of support most of the time -- I can basically only feel the difference when I'm running down stairs. The only reason to wear a bra is because it wouldn't look socially acceptable otherwise... same thing with corsets back then. But yeah, I don't think the corset is a symbol of oppression or anything. What it is, however, is one aspect of how women's worth is greatly assigned based on appearance, which is an issue that is still prevalent to this day.
She also mentions that “dressing vintage” was not a thing at that time. Dressing vintage is a new thing that people have started doing, before it usually meant you were poor or out of touch with fashion. edit: sorry if this sounds mean or critical to the original comment. It wasn’t meant to!
I wanted to say, because it seems like you might have missed the second line after the first thing she says about the corset. I too was dreading an anti-corset message in this movie, but how they end up portraying it isn't actually anti-corset in my opinion. The full quote of what she says in the shop when buying the outfit is "the corset: a symbol of repression to those who are *forced* to wear it. But for me, who *chooses* to wear it, the bust enhancer, and the hip regulators, it will hide the fortune my mother has given me" and she puts it on with a smile, happy with the way it moves and how she can hide money in it. She has no problem with the corset the first time she puts it on, and doesn't seem all too upset about it, even getting excited when it saves her life after being stabbed. Later, when she's in the school, and her choices are taken away, despite the fact that the second corset is likely more comfortable, she struggles and is angry about having to wear it because it's no longer her choice. She isn't struggling later on because she hates the corset, it's because her choice in the matter was taken away when she was sent to the school. In my opinion, the two corset scenes are a commentary on how her choices were removed and not a commentary about how corsets are torture devices.
YEEEES! I, too could hear the sound of Karolina screaming in the distance at the first bit of that line, but the second line, and the way she proceeds to do jiu jitsu while still in the corset, and how the corset is later shown as extremely useful bc it saves her from getting stabbed all made me feel like the actual message is that the corset itself is not opressive, but rather the reasons why you might be forced into one
Thanks for summarizing the answer, now I will be able to contextualize and better understand the video !!! (English is not my native language and I have a hard time understanding it without subtitles, that's why I say it xd)
Henry Cavill is 37, but playing a "younger" Sherlock, so probably closer to 30. We know Sherlock Holmes was born in 1857, so the movie probably should take place in the mid 1880s. The Anglo-Afghan War ends in 1880, putting the Marquess' father's death sometime before 1881 when his uncle would have returned from the war. The reform bill talked about should be either the 1884 Representation of the People Act (this was debated/passed in the late fall/winter) or the 1885 Redistribution of Seats Act (passed in early summer, so probably the more likely candidate). The issue comes with the suffragettes, who would not begin violent protests in the real world until the late aughts, though they were around in the 1880s.
@@zhoradaiyu5184 if that's true, the remark on the Afghan war implies the Marquess is only 3 or 4 when his father dies. The book series has Sherlock 20 years older than Enola, so she should be born around 1877, placing the year as 1893 and Sherlock as 36, which would be the age of Cavill. In conclusion, the movie took extreme liberties with timelines either way. Haha
the movie is indeed in 1884, when sherlock read a newspaper in the begging of the movie it shows the date and is 1884 (maybe its 1885, I don't recall exactly)
I noticed that the "corsets are opression" comments almost always come from well-off/upper class women. For people who do physically demanding labour, a well fitting corset is actually a godsend and helps a lot to alleviate back pain.
actually my sister struggles with back issues and she's been using a custom -made corset when at home because it trains your back to it's natural posture. It doesn't necessarily take away the problem but she says it really benefits her and helps her relax
I've actually watched a video today about why and how corsets "were killed". The author mentions two things that can be referred to both comments above: 1) as long as you had lots of long/heavy skirts, you kinda needed a corset because it put all that weight on a bigger surface of your waist and (I suppose) hips. Also before the bras era it was pretty much the only bust support kind of "device". Due to invention of bras, less/lighter skirts involved and some other factors (like WWI, apparently) corsets became less and less popular but never disappeared completely. 2) Corsets didn't really "die" and probably never will, apart from people who choose to wear them for many reasons, like aestethics, or them being attributed to feminity (somebody mentioned in the comment to that video that apparently many trans people wear it because it helps them achieve more feminine silhouette), there's e.g. medical "corsets" that take on lots of functional ideas of original corsets (my mom wore a medical one too, after back operation and she loved it and said it did help her get back in shape). So again, I guess corsets weren't that bad altogether.
Also corset its not too good, it can be good for some types of bacj pain but it is bad for the organs and your bone, some ppl cant even breath well with that
@@oof5740 That’s a myth, actually. Tightlacing was the damaging one, however it was also very rare, and the only reason why people today mistake tightlacing for proper corsetry was because back in the day people made such a big deal about it because they thought woman who did tightlacing were absolutely crazy, so there was a heap of documentation surrounding it. However you can also easily find proper reliable sources that debunk the myths surrounding corsetry with a little bit of research. Everyday woman wore corsets while horse riding, fencing, playing tennis, even hiking and so many other things. Corsets were designed to be well fitted to provide proper support so that woman could COMFORTABLY go about their everyday lives, corsets weren’t made to be very constrictive, and ESPECIALLY weren’t made to the point that it would cause a change to body shape. Obviously there was a lot of strict expectations surrounding what women should wear, and corsets definitely were part of it, but they were never supposed to be physically damaging like what you’ve stated.
Hearing about fashion from the time is really interesting, but it makes me glad I don't know all this stuff myself. Instead I can watch a period piece movie and live in ignorant bliss thinking "wow that's a pretty dress" and that is all
I can't watch any medical tv shows because of the constant inaccuracies. And those similar to The 100.... Scientifically so inaccurate 😂 can't watch without getting infuriated and yelling at those shows😂
@@morganeharvey332 I can't take movies seriously anymore that have any of those fake corsets are bad scenes. I wear one everyday at work and the only thing about pain is that I don't have lower back pain anymore.
@@TemariNaraannaschatz I'm really curious about wearing corset to inrpove posture/decrease lower back pain. Could you please elaborate on that, like what kind of corsets you wear etc?
@@hareema4442 I started off with a really cheap one with plastic boning from amazon as an accessory and after I noticed how much better my back felt I invested in some of better qualitly and switched to stronger boning. I'd reccoment getting something softer at first that breaks in faster. At first don't wear it for the whole day, just an hour to see what it feels like and then wear it more until it's broken in (aka it fits your body, like breaking in shoes). My personal most worn corset is also from amazon which I got last summer because I wanted one I was able to wear even when it's really hot. And it has some netting inbetween the boning which makes it airier. But that's just a personal preference. I would say get a cotton corset, linen is good too, but costs way more. Just get a breathable material and wear something underneath. I generally wear my normal cotton undershirts so nothing gets sweaty. And I only have to wash my corset once a week. In general for a first corset I'd suggest something out of a natural material with soft plastic boning (steel boning or hard plastic boning is good, but if you're not used to wearing corsets it's too much) and make sure whereever you buy it has a good measuring scale. Ignore anything that says S/M/L/Xl etc. Look for your body measures and go for that. And don't buy waist-trainers, they aren't made for back support but for waist stinging which is nothing you want to do. Most corsets come pre-laced and at the start I'd just leave it in, even when washing, just adjust to the measures to your body. (I'm someone which a wider hip and small chest, so I always get one that's fitting on the waist and then get it really tight to fit my chest and more loose on the bottom for my hips.) I'd also say that you shouldn't make it too tight at first. The practical thing about corsets is that you can ajust them, so if you eat something you can make them wider, but also if you notice they are loose you can just tighten them. And price isn't everything. I have some really cheap corsets that fit me super well and I can wear for hours and I have a couple of expensive onse that I rarely wear due to the fit. Your body is what you have to take into consideration on this. And for the medical part of corsets: Corsets stop you from being in bad ways. You can't really hunch over or get your back complelty hollowed out (I mean you can do both but it gets uncomftbable really fast and you stop it. So streching works just fine.) so you don't stay in bad positions for long. That way your back remains straighter and that reduced the pain, mostly in the middle to lower back (but I mostly wear underbust corsets due to my small chest, I don't know how well full bust corsets work on the upper back due to experience, but I know that they distribute the weight of the chest evenly so it will definitly help quiet a lot.) You can still do everything in a corset. I work in a labor job the whole week and I can carry everything, bend over etc. just fine. I can run in them and all. If properly worn you won't notice that you're wearing a corset at all. And after a while you stop bening in shapes you shouldn't bend your back because it's bad for you on your own without your corset reminding you not to do it. Which is a nice side effect. I hope that helped, if you want to know anything else, let me know =)
@@nickelpickled who do you think were forced to wear corsets? Historically corsets were just underwear that makes you look good, who wouldn't want to wear it on that period of time?
Millie Bobbie Brown was the producer. There will probably be a follow-up film, so you should absolutely reach out to her, and offer your consulting services for the next Enola Holmes!! 🙂
Historybounders: wHaT about ThE cOsTuMeS?! aRe ThEy AcCuRaTe? Dress Historians: no... but yes? But no. Me: why is no one talking about the plastic shotgun shells?
as for the timeline - sherlock tells enola that she had a pincone on a string that she called dash, after queen victoria's dog, dash, when she was a little girl. enola is too young to remember this, so she was maybe 3 or 4? the real dash died in 1840. enola is 16 years old in the movie, so at the most you can add 13 years to 1840, arriving at 1856. BUT THEN: i googled it and google says it takes place in 1884. AND autombiles were not introduced in england until 8 years LATER. wow. it really was all over the place. lol. but i still enjoyed the movie.
There's no reason Enola couldn't have named her pinecone after the dog Queen V had in the past, no matter how long ago that was. Victoria was still the queen and Enola might well have been interested in what the queen's life was like as a young girl.
@@Luanna801 i agree with you. after listening to the clothing descriptions being so much later and seeing that the car was not introduced until almost the end of the century, i figured this must be the case. i am sure lots of little girls were interested in what QV must have been like as a young girl and queen. i know i am and its more than 200 years later and i'm, by far, no longer a young gir. lol
I can't wait til we're so far in the future that when a movie is set in the 90s, they're gonna be wearing poodle skirts, crochet halter tops, feathered hair, and yeezys.
I mean a lot of shows right now sometimes do like a mix of eras. Sabrina does like a mixture of 60s and modern clothes, a lot of shows have been doing a 2020s take on the 90s on some characters with more normal 2020 clothes on background characters. I mean 30 years ago was the 90s. Do you still wear some of the same clothes? We still wear jeans though the style depends on what you have in your closet (I probably have more bootcut jeans than some people as I bought a ton in the early 2000s and only buy a new pair like every 2-3 years), chokers are back in style, some people are still doing leggings and long tops or boho skirts or have been doing flannel for like 15 years. Not everyone is always wearing the newest most fashionable thing
I know, right? :) Especially after she had earlier described them as some sort of bondage to woman, only for it to end up being the very thing that saved her life, later. Corsets are such a gorgeous part of Victorian fashion, and as someone who owns a corset, they're not half as restricting as actors so often try to make them out to be! :)
In the books, her corset becomes an integral part of her wardrobe for the rest of the series! It also goes into detail how she uses the space for padding to hide extra disguise pieces and make herself look older (than 14, her book age).
@@panda31415 That's really cool! I actually haven't read the books, but ought to! I actually hadn't heard of them, before Netflix announced the movie, but now I'm quite curious about the books! :)
but weirdly they pulled the trope again with the lord. I was like "ahhhh it would have made sense if he was there to see the corset trick, or she told him about it!" but now its just pulling the same trick twice.
I feel like in a lot of period movies, they'll give certain characters pants/boy clothes in a way to make them more forward thinking, or "not-like-other-girls." As if being feminine and wearing skirts is somehow not forward thinking. Like, Tina in Fantastic Beats, for example.
I really appreciated the moments in this film when they combined femininity with power. Helena Bonham Carter's character exclusively wore dresses and was feminine and had typically "feminine" pursuits like painting tiny flowers and having tea with her ladies. At the same time she was powerful, in control, leading the group, and managing her estate. Enola didn't put on trousers and a cap to do physically demanding things and be strong, she did those things in dresses and wore men's clothing as a disguise. Obviously that's not the case in every film, but I appreciated it in this one.
I don't blame then honestly, they just do what the public wants. On one side you have people who aprecciate femininity and on another you have woman who don't want any of it, it's just a lot o mixed signals.
Yeah but to be fair- the first time she dresses as a boy to look like a boy as a disguise, like that’s the point- same with the second two times- she knows people are looking for a girl- because she’s a girl- so she dresses as a boy to divert attention, it’s not really anything to do with sexism. She’s literally just disguising herself
Dominic Sidaway my big issue with that is that in the books she makes a point of saying she’ll never dress as a boy. She dresses as a beggar woman and all sorts of convincing female disguises, but never a boy. So here the writers directly go against her written personality when they just as easily could have put her in a female disguise.
I totally get that the outfits are not historically accurate, but I think some of the era shifts in fashion reflect what the movie is trying to say about the characters. Eudoria’s costumes show how against the grain of typical society she was. Edith’s costumes are more modern, reflecting her characters progressive, ahead of her time beliefs. The old fashioned costumes of the dowager reflect her characters zealotry for preserving the legacies of the past. Makes for very inconsistent fashion timeline, but consistent characterization!
I was thinking this same thing while Karolina gave dates for each of their costumes! Rather than a critique of the costumer, it seems like a clever concept that they snuck in!
100% agree! I was about to comment this when I saw your comment. And when she was talking about the scene where the women were in a meeting and how they all looked like different time period I felt like it made sense as an artistic choice: the older ladies had an older style (~1830 I think she said?) and the younger looking ones had a style closer to 1870s). Seems logical since some people may not always follow the trends and instead just keep a rather similar fashion over the years. Idk 🤔😊
For once it's not a total disaster....wish the next movie if this franchise keep it up or even better not fall into the few mistakes they did in this movie
it was pretty confusing thinking the costumes were decent but then again i had dropped my bar way low after trying and failing to find something worth watching
It seems to me that most of the actual costumes were pretty good, it was just that there was no uniform era, even within a single dress. And the corset "opPResiOn," of course.
At the beginning of the movie when she’s introducing herself they show her as a baby with “Me at age 0” and “1884” written on the screen. So if she was born in 1884 and Sherlock says she is sixteen, then it’s somehow supposed to be 1900, which makes zero sense with the costuming choices they made...
i remember during the fight scenes thinking like “at least she’s not acting like she’s suffocated by her corset”; it was nice to not have that hammered in like every other movie featuring them
@@kadibookalways There IS a series (a trilogy) of books with a Very similar idea, called "Mapmakers" (The 1st one is "The Glass Sentence"), in which time broke across different eras and maping out time across the world becomes a profession!
I think it makes perfect sense that the hair on the ladies in the meeting scene are all over the place. Some of the ladies are quite a bit older, and it would make sense they are sticking with the hairstyles that were 'in' when they were younger. I don't see much older ladies rocking the newest hairstyles, why would it be different in 1880. Another thing is the dated outfit of Holmes home maid. Considering the state of the house, it would be quite suitable for the maid and the charactets there to be in outdated clothes. Even if they had newer outfits available, they probably wouldn't wear them daily, but would keep them for special occasions...? Just makes some sense to me for that bit of the costumes to be all over the place.
same as the boy clothing.. Sherlocks is not necessarly accurate but the servant boy is. his clothes are most likely from an older brother or father so it would be an old fashioned style.
Actually the hair is what drove me most crazy. In that it was almost always showing with all women of all stations. Wrong, wrong, wrong. This film had a noticable lack of hats and gloves. Hats and gloves were manditory attire for middle and upper class women through the 1950s for Sunday church attire. They also need to really decide if Enola is a young girl, hair down, or a young woman, hair up.
@@wildcrocus The story of the books (the movie is really inaccurate to them by the way) is that Enola starts as a sort of wild young girl, probably keeps her hair down, and ruins her white dresses(not full length). She turns 14 at the start of the book. Her brothers force her to dress like a young lady, and then she just keeps doing that, to help her disguise herself. So she starts as a young girl, and becomes a young lady to hide from her brothers. In one of the later books (the second? I cant remember.) she says "... When I was 13 going on 10 instead of 14 going 30", so that implies that she had to grow up fast. Also in the books she REALLY does not want to dress up like a boy, because 1. its too obvious and 2. she's not comfortable wearing pants. So why is that the FIRST thing she does in the movie????? That wasnt really relevant but who cares.
It confused me when she like had to justify a corset as part of her disguise. I think that would be like if a contemporary character justified wearing a bra as part of her disguise.
Because she's proto feminist. Most people wouldn't relate to their fights if they didn't know the context well, which they aren't going to explain in a fun movie. So they throw speak points from other past feminists, namely the second wave, to reminisce of an old but relatable feminism. Burn all the bras!!! It was her first time wearing it. If a 16 year old was wearing a bra for the first time, she would definitely comment on it.
lets ficks yeah, as a 16 year old it would be more accurate to wear a corded corset but since she’s dressing to look older, it’s not necessarily wrong. And they use it as a plot device which wouldn’t have worked with a corded or lighter corset.
excuse me, free the nipples is very serious business to me, if you ever catch me in a bra, you better bet that I have a good reason at the ready.... Oh no, wait, big tiddies, back pain, bras are actually good and helpful oops
@@AmeenaF19 Your muscles can handle the weight itself, but it still hurts. Human backs are a biological mess and hurt from only standing up. Having weights growing onto your front makes the back pain way worse and can lead to hunching over. which leads to more back pain. Bras and Corsets help to support the weight and stops giggling if you're doing sports, because having two meatbags juggling around by every other step hurts really bad. And well for aesthetic reasons you can wear a bra, if you like your chest to look a certain way.
Also, this is a “Netflix original” only because it was released on Netflix as opposed to the original plan to release it in movie theaters. Netflix acquired the rights later because that release was canceled due to ye old plague. They did not make the movie, which is a good thing in this case.
Tbh having watched the movie on Netflix it was a sweet movie, but at the end of the day it felt that it was a made for TV movie anyway. I definitely would not have paid cinema prices to see it!
@@sofia_rms I agree; I was very surprised to find it wasn't made by Netflix, it has strong A Series of Unfortunate Events vibes with the styles of filming and storytelling!
I think the costumes department just raided the studio's costumes storage, took whatever moderately resembled 18th-19th century and mixed and matched a lot.
The Noobest Girl: I thought the exact same thing. This is not the movie a studio would want to invest in a lot of newly made period appropriate garments.
me, a lesbian, utterly uninterested in man's clothes unless a woman is wearing them: the whose clothes? na but seriously male fashion is actually really interesting
hannah H-M I would have loved that line way more if she hadn’t spent a lot of the movie saying “And I’m the only one who does everyone else is just forced to” Still loved loved loved the movie but those bits were a little annoying
@@pollyflores418 ... did she? I saw it just a few days ago, and I don't remember anything like that. The only time I remember her even implying that corsets are a problem is when she's in the school, and that's pretty obviously not about the corsets but about the fact that she literally does not have a choice, she's just as negative about the rest of her weird black and white school outfit.
I watched Enola Holmes yesterday and I was thinking "I wonder if Karolina will make a video about the costumes?" and the fact that you did just made me so happy
now i just want someone to have fun unpicking the bizarre journey of enola holmes accomplishing nothing, really, normally i'd just have fun watching someone else have fun hating on something, but i tried to have fun lovingly hating on something all by myself and my in-brain editing just aint cutting it
Kinda wanna know about what you think of the costumes in "Anne with an E". I really love the clothing in the series, but I dont know if its even accurate.
The corset scenes are to reflect how she feels in society. 1st corset scene: assumptions about females in society, feels oppressed 2nd corset scene: realizes that corsets themselves are not oppressive, rather it's WHY we choose to wear them. She didn't feel oppressed because she wore it for her and realized that other women do the same. Thus busting her assumption. 3rd corset scene: Is being forced to wear a corset, so the scene is painful to show how something so beautiful (and useful) can become a chain when used improperly. Final dress scene: she is, presumingly, wearing a corset again, but is free, dressing for herself rather than others. Thus the light colored fabric and undone hair.
Yes. And I’m with you. What I can’t figure is how she got into the first corset - unless the shop lady laced it and she just stayed in it, (was it the same day when she got stabbed?) but she can’t seem to figure how to lace the softer one.
@@lynn858 I think we can think about it like a tantrum. You can make a sandwich, but when you're angry/sad/depressed all of a sudden you are unable to open a bag of bread. Enola was very distraught in the scene, thus the corset was impossible to put on.
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I really don’t think people watching it and believing corsets are torture devices will take the time to analyze it like that 😭
To be fair, the whole quote is, "A corset, a sign of oppression for those _forced_ to wear it. For me, a good place to hide my mother's fortune." and the context is Enola is being forced into traditional female roles she wasn't interested in. In the end, though, she wears corsets while protecting herself and realizes their practicality.
Karolina Żebrowska True that school scene was... questionable, I choose to ignore it for my mental health. Love to self care🥰✨If someone asks I’ll deny it ever happened
@ the thing is though, aren't they explicitly saying that she HAS to lose a particular amount of inches around her waist when they first measure her at home? Maybe they are making her lace herself too tightly and that is why she is struggling? Or is that impossible with a corded corset? Just thinking out loud here
The issue with the Enola Holmes books is that we are never told exactly when the series takes place. We know that it takes place after Watson moves out of 221B to live with his wife. Which they supposedly (Doyle never gave us a real date) got married in 1887. We also can assume the story takes place before "The Final Problem" as Enola and others make no mention of Sherlock faking his death which happened in 1891. It also has to be before 1894 as that is when Mary is supposed to have died, allowing Watson to move back in with Sherlock. (Since in one book Enola meets Mrs. Watson) Which could be the reason for the confused costuming. Or I am thinking too much into it. haha Also to be noted is that the reason why in the BOOKS Enola hates corsets at first (and later comes to love) is because her first encounter with one is at the age of 14 (her age in the books) and was tight-laced by her nasty headmistress. When she runs away she takes her mother's old widow clothes as her disguise instead of a boy's clothes. She thought dressing as a boy was too obvious.
At the very beginning of the film, the scrapbook montage shows Enola was born in 1884, and she turns 16 at the beginning of the film. For this adaptation, at the least, the action is set in the summer of 1900.
I'm one of the girls you mention in the film and we did so many shots that day looking at different items from the dress shop. The crinoline in the shop is probably the set designer's fault not a costume designer fault. There were up to 200 extras on set that day and a lot of them were in crinoline, some had bustles... Appreciate they don't all match up in the shot or time wise but it's probably hard to find that many matching costumes out there. :)
Could the headmistress look like that because she was VERY conservative and thought the modern corset's curves be too promiscuous? That's the vibe i got from her while watching
Similarly, I am wondering if some of the strange choices in costume were to convey individual characteristics to modern audiences who largely don't have the historical context for the choices to be strange. Like the headmistress, her look is more severe and rigid and is older fashioned than many of the other characters while were she 'real' as a woman of means and social standing at the time, she would be keeping up appearances and striving to be up to date. Instead this vibe tells audiences who she is as a character and establishes her role in the story. Where as the women of the reform movement are hyper modern for the time? Or maybe it's just not cohesively made and I'm reading to much into it.
@@ScribblerILM that is the same conclusion I've made!! Cause they definitely made at least *some* research, and as an animation student, I can't help but see the story-telling side of the costumes as well, shapes are essential to establishing a character's personality to an audience, and I am amazed at how they were able to do so with historic clothing!!
That’s the impression I got. I think a lot of the costumes are a mismatch of time periods, but for the headmistress in particular I think the choice makes sense - making her costume straight & stiff looking is something we’d do in theatre too lol
Hi @Clara. No, there's a part in the movie where the headmistress is taking Enolas measurements, finding them not "curvy" enough, but specifically says they are going to fix her with padding. So looking curvy, feminine and attractive was part of the curriculum.
I was also thinking when she said about the woman with the teacup in the beginning that it was a way older style, wouldn't that be because she is way older than the other ones and those woman don't have the finances to change style often or just feel like the modern styles aren't right or something? I mean I'm no expert ofcourse, not even a novice but the age difference and accompanied style difference seems logical to me
The steam car they steal - that takes at least an hour to get ready. It’s steam. Fire heats water... But that’s very action-movie kind of logic. All vehicles will always be ready for escape, no matter how complex the start up procedure.
But the owner of the vehicle was just encountered in the foyer shortly before, and while it's not specified that she had just arrived back from a trip it's a plausible explanation for both why the owner was *there* unexpectedly, why the car was conveniently sitting in the open drive rather than stored under shelter elsewhere, and why the vehicle was warm and ready to go.
I think they were actually sending a bit of a message with some of the clothes. A lot of the older people are wearing older fashions, being more traditional and stuck in the past- whereas a lot of the younger women who were fighting for their vote are wearing the later era clothes- looking to the future, stepping away from the previous eras.
I think you're exactly right, especially with the woman of colour who is a café owner wearing "future" clothes. If the corset scene is as big as it sounds, it makes sense that clothing would be used to say something thematically as opposed to historical accuracy, which is way more forgivable than giving in to the "modern sensibilities" thing.
The reason why everything with the crinoline's was so ACTIVELY frustrating to me, is that they show that the creators didn't even pay much attention to what they were adapting. The second-to-last book is called "the Cryptic Crinoline" And part of the reason why its so cryptic is that its something that its otherwise fashion obsessed owner would have thrown out DECADES ago. Enola even comments such. So while independently it wouldn't bother me, they're actively ignoring very key parts to later books that add context in this series. That and a few other things, like how Enola makes a point to never disguise herself as a boy both because she finds it cliche, and because she was taught by her mother to feel empowered by her womanhood, the fact that the closes thing we get to a love interest is in the subtext between her and a Duke's daughter, she was never trained in fighting but rather made use of her brains combined with more feminine practices to solve her puzzles, including one where she saves Sherlock, and how bikes (Specifically "dwarf" bikes) which were such a profound early tool for women's independence, played key role in Enola's escape and uncovering what happened to her mother. This and all of the smaller details like her dog, her employees that become a second family, living in women scholars boarding house, her love for caricature drawing, the enola onscreen feels like a totally different character, which would be fine except that this one undermines many of the points about feminism and a woman's right to freedom of movement that was so important to her book counter-part.
Jujitsu was not part of the suffrigette movement until a good 20 years later but I think they wanted to include it so Enola could do some hand to hand combat. Overall I sort of like the inclusion of her knowing a martial art because jujitsu later became an empowering part of the suffrigette movement.
I totally agree with everything here - the other part that I just keep thinking about bothering me in comparing book and movie Enola was when she just stood there to get caught and sent to the school. She got herself into so many bad situations in the books because she was so desperate to not get caught. And there was such a missed opportunity to focus on historical dress with the parts where she was commenting on her mother's odd wardrobe choices and figuring out what clothes were missing (and the Mrs. Tupper part in the later book).
I find this really interesting as from what I've read millie loved the books and has wanted to make this movie for ages, this disloyalty to the book maybe unintentional at least I hope so
mist dragon I feel like there were sporadic moments that she nails absolutely spot on and really showcase her love of the books. Some parts I understand potentially why they changed, like switching out the mother running away to the Romani for the suffragists. But the books had such attenion to detail on Enola’s personal relationship to the way she dressed and expressed her femininity when she disguised herself, as well as her growth and learning from the mistakes she makes due to her naivete and emotional motivations for wanting affection from her family. It all seemed to be replaced with more bland, cliche plot points so she could make ’noise’ and change the world.
When I saw the promotional pictures, I always wondered why she dressed up as a boy when she explicitly said that she would never dress up as one. The closest thing we get to see her dress up as a guy was when she borrowed a cab driver's coat and hat to drive his cab around the East End. Also the thing I like best about her is the fact that she can craft the most convincing disguises that even Lestrade is fooled and everyone around her is convinced that she's a lady or a beggar or a nun, depending on the situation. The movie was good and there were points where she nails it as Enola but bookEnola would never wear that red dress. I really liked what they did to Tewksbury's character though.
I'm still hoping you check out the Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries series. It's 1920's costumer were praised in many places even won an award for costume design.
Meglivorn They put every cent of the budget on the screen- & it shows... I was so in love with the show- & ‘A Place to Call Home’... I wish we could do more such decent scripted dramas.
I loved the sports clothes from the episode about tennis players, I'm frequently wondering if they are accurate or not and would love to know for sure.
jealousharibo The tennis episode was very dear to the designer, I believe- she’d been wanting to do an episode that incorporated it for a while, apparently- so I think we can safely say it was... I cannot imagine being that enamoured of an idea- & then flubbing it super-badly... But, I’m not an expert- I mean, I _still_ love ‘Diane’ & ‘Young Elizabeth’, from the ‘50’s- even though I **know** the costuming is patently wrong. Edit: word
I'm no expert and correct me if I'm wrong but although I am not well versed in fashion, I know a bit about martial arts: Edith in the film is most likely based on Edith Garrud, the first female martial arts instructor in the west. She was trained in Bartitsu (a british style of Jujitsu that is only still remembered and is famous because of Sherlock Holmes) and she was the one that taught suffragettes to defend themselves when they were protesting so they wouldn't get taken down by police. However this fudges with the timeline of the film even more as Edith only started learning jujitsu in like 1899 and didn't teach until ~1910ish. This is real and theres a really good segment of Drunk History about it if you want. Also also, I was very confused by the jujitsu uniforms in the movie because martial arts uniforms, called dogis or just gis, are based on japanese formal dress, the kimono, but were only really popularised with Judo. So the concept of wearing gis for jujitsu in this movie would have been Brand New in the late 1800s/early 1900s or not really adopted yet. Also the belt system you see in pretty much every martial art didn't show up until the 20s (again with Judo as it was the first SPORT martial art) because the founder of Judo thought it was really cool how master swimmers had a black arm band to signify rank and he copied that. Glad the sporting outfits were somewhat accurate though! (Also if you read this far down into my ramblings, thank you but also why?)
You made an interesting and informative comment, is why. Most people wouldn't know historical details if martial arts, let alone the name of the first Western female practitioner.
Thank you! So I guess whoever wrote the story, threw together the most badass facts of the century, wich kind of screws with the timeline. Even as someone who doesn't know a lot of history, I got really confused by some styles.
First: Karolina is fabulous and I feel like a lot of this is spot on if we look at the costumes only in the context of historical accuracy and don’t try to bring much character or narrative context into it. Someone a few posts down also said this, but the whole corset tightening scene may not have been the result of preconceived notions about corsets and Hollywood-type agendas. It looked to me like they were showing the difference between how a scenario can exist with and without consent. When she chooses to wear the corset, it is a thing of joy and engagement for her. It is empowering. When she is forced to wear a corset, it is something that she (literally) struggles with. I also wondered if it wasn’t the kind of situation where: when I go to put on a bra and I am in a usual headspace, it is an easy task but when I am already stressed out and anxious, the task becomes much more annoying and harder. Also, I don’t know if that quote counts as “an overtly anti-corset quote”. She is the daughter of a militant suffragist, so it is entirely possible that she heard that growing up. And the full quote does say that it is oppression for those who are forced to wear it but for those who choose it it provides opportunities. Again we’re talking about consent and how it is and isn’t a thing for (young) women in society. The society being perfectly accurate in its norms may not best serve the point for its intended demographic.
it's like how for some women wearing bras is extremely helpful and useful, but it is the fact that women are "forced" to wear it by society anyways, or else they would be called sluts, messy, etc.
@@dan.a77 yeah, lots of women don't want to wear bras at all, or they want to wear sports bras but they have to wear underwire bras when they go to work and other public places
@@no_peace Yeah- and Enola was probably free-boobing it under a shift or two when it was just her, her mom and the maid so no wonder it seems like an effort to be expected to wear a corset. I know that quarantine has made the concept of wearing shoes somewhat irritating
So erm... speaking of "corsets are actually really good", I strained my lower back really bad. I was in total agony and had to get pain meds from my doctor. I remembered what Karolina said about corsets helping with back problems. I put on my expensive custom tailored corset and it actually helped the pain!!!!
@@honeybee3317 Yep! If they are well fitted to your body they can do wonders for back pain. I wouldn't just go buying any corset if you suffer from back pain as the wrong one for your body could do more harm than good, but properly fitted and with appropriate medical advice if necessary and it can be a great asset.
Women were often laced so tightly their breathing was restricted leading to faintness. Compressing the abdominal organs could cause poor digestion and over time the back muscles could atrophy. In fact, long term tight lacing led to the rib cage becoming deformed.
@@oof5740 Nope! Not at all true. Corsets only restrict the waist and NOT the ribcage so don't cause restricted breathing enough to cause fainting in the slightest. Fainting was more likely to be due to wearing many layers of warm clothing, but even then, most "fainting" when written about was of ladies at dances. There are etiquette books from the time which teach ladies the polite way to get out of awkward social interactions and one of those ways was to pretend to faint. That would allow the lady's friends to take her aside so she can avoid the conversation (such as some guy she's not interested in asking to marry her or something, it was rude just to say no). You don't get stories of the cleaning maids fainting despite spending all day from the crack of dawn to the end of the night scrubbing and running the household whilst corseted (because they wore corsets too!). Plenty of modern corset wearers choose to tightlace, for example Cathy Jung tightlaces down to 15", yes fifteen inches, and has no ill effects whatsoever. That measurement is way below what Victorian women wore, with the vast majority of corsets falling within the 22"-28" range (with natural waists being on average reduced no more than 2-4", so the range of natural waists being 24" to 32" for the average). Cathy is still able to hold her body up fine without the corset on even though she wears one every single day for 23hrs a day. The one hour out of the corset she spends washing and exercising (she is particularly fond of ocean swimming and she's past her 70s by now I believe so she's not a spring chicken). Victorian women by comparison wore their corsets purely to support their clothing (it was heavy) and breasts and to provide a smooth silhouette during the day and they removed them in the evenings to go to bed. And they were still able to function just fine. And contrary to popular misconceptions, corsets are not rigid structures, especially not ones made to Victorian methods. Most corsets were made of a single layer of fabric, those made of two layers had the second be just a lining. Then the main stiffener was whalebone for a lot of the time and that's actually filters from the mouths of baleen whales which is made of the same stuff as our fingernails. It responds well to body heat and becomes very flexible. Then towards the end of the era they were using steel, but even those bones were a lot more flexible than what you find in modern corsets as we just don't make the steel as high quality any more so it can't be made into as thin strips as it was. They were also narrower than modern steel bones being roughly 3mm to 4mm wide rather than the smallest easily available today is 5mm wide. In off the rack corsets, the bones are 7mm wide. Oh and some corsets just used cording which is lengths of string basically. And other stuff. Only there to provide vertical support so the fabric doesn't just roll down. What else? Ah yes, the rib cage deformity. Now sure the Victorians wore their corsets from their teens, but unless there is something very wrong with your genetics, the bones aren't going to be reshaped by wearing a garment which is only worn snugly over the rib area. You can do some "reshaping" with a corset in that the muscles which hold the ribs in place can allow them to move, however this effect is not permanent and when you take the corset off, the ribs return to their natural position. The real reason there were rib cage deformities found a lot? Well the medical professionals learning more about how bodies worked learned by cutting up corpses. Rich people didn't want that happening, so they used the bodies of the poor. Those who were more likely to have suffered from malnutrition throughout their lives so the deformity was mostly from that - they grew like that. The deformities were actually seen in equal numbers in men and women even though it was only the women who were wearing the corsets for the most part (richer men may have, but it would have been less likely for the poor men to have done so). The medical people also liked to claim that corsets would do things like cut a liver almonst in half if laced too tight. However what they were actually observing there was a phenomenon where the liver develops with lobes. This occurs today too in people who are totally healthy and who have never worn a corset ever. Its just a thing that sometimes happens. Lots of stuff was blamed on corsets. Even tuberculosis was blamed on corsets which we now know was caused by a bacteria. Funnily enough, the bacteria likes to hang out in the very bottom of the lungs and it was actually seen that those wearing corsets (which do change how you breathe - you breath with the top part of your lungs more than the bottom part and they compensate by getting larger further up if you corset from a young age) had fewer cases of infection because it didn't get as far in as it needed to really set up home. So to limit the spread through militrary men, corsets were actually recommended as a means of prevention. Obviously it was a 100% preventative, but it did seem to make a difference. Which pissed off some of the doctors who were trying to prove corsets were evil because they couldn't wrap their heads around why women might like to keep their breasts supported....
If you enjoyed this movie, I would highly recommend the book series. The movie still had plenty of issues and confusing plot holes, that get ironed out when you stretch the narrative over a series of books, rather than a cut down 2 hour movie. Plus, there's none of that weird "will they/won't they" relationship stuff between Enola and Teweksbury, because in the books she's 14 and he's an annoying 12 year old.
@@Crosshill I would say it's more for tweens to teens. Like I said Enola is 14 in the books from what I remember. It's a really great coming-of-age story with a whole lot of mystery and historical drama!
@@Kitten_Maru can lil kids vote in the house of lords if they become lords as children, i have no reason to know of pre-1900 british legislation but now i kinda wanna know
Mar Maru I’m not sure that’s why people were trying to kill him in the books. I can’t remember exactly, but this is how it went down in book one. Enola runs away from home on a bike, gets to London on a train. She doesn’t meet Tewksbury there, but she does run into an old lady who talks about this wonderful petticoat shop. She gets off the train and somehow decides that she’ll go investigate the disappearance of Tewksbury; I think it’s cuz she feels a connection to him? Because he was forced into ‘ridiculous’ clothing for his age, with frills and long hair. Anyways, she shows up to the house dressed as a widow and is able to talk to his mother in depth, cuz enola convinces her that she can understand her woes because she’s a woman too. (Btw, she only mentions her real name to lestrade when she runs into him at the gate I think) Then she climbs the tree and finds out thta the boy wanted to go to the docks and work as a sailor. So he went there, but was kidnapped by vandals. Enola goes to leave but runs into this rlly tall lady who’s saying she’ll solve the case through seeing the future. Enola s like yeah right. Enola gets kidnapped too, meets Tewksbury for the first time in the place they’re being held captive; the inside of a boat. They escape, and Enola heads to the police office with Tewksbury. Sherlock walls right by her, talking about how he’s been looking for his sister (but not noticing she was disguised right there). Enola also tells the cops that the female perditorian who’s been “helping” the grand duchess was actually the guy who kidnapped him. They did so in order to get both ransom money and fees for their future predictions. There was never a plot about him being able to vote (And especially Not a romantic subplot between them- he was a lil kid.) It’s very different from the books, but it’s still a fun movie lol.
Me: Sees Lady Tewksberry’s dress in the train station scene Me: Ha! Look at that natural-form-looking, unfashionable, two-years-behind trollop! My Mom sitting next to me: 👁👄👁
I kinda got the impression that in the corset lacing scene, she was struggling with the situation, not the corset. Like she mentions that corsets are a symbol of repression to those that are forced to wear them. That corset, that situation, was not of her choosing, and so it makes sense that she was struggling with it.
I caught that too. I was confused about why they included two conflicting portrayals of corsets, but you're interpretation makes sense! It could've been just a way of setting the tone of the situation she was in, like inserting context that could be used as a metaphor.
I could see discrepancies in Enola’s dress boiling down to the fact that her mom is a super feminist and probably didn’t force her to wear what was “proper dress.” Because she isn’t taught what she “should” wear, and like Sherlock said she’s not very street smart, I could imagine every shopping trip she goes into a shop and is like “cool this is pretty” but not knowing how to put it on, what it should look like, etc. struggling with the corset is along the same line, she’s not used to doing the things and doing them alone is hard. Her moms clothing I could also see being a hodge podge because she’s all “F- society” and, like other people said, the random assortment of clothes on other people could be because people dress in different decades all the time. I get the inconsistencies Karolina talks about, these are just my thoughts.
I mean I felt like it was made really clear that that's how she felt about those clothes in the context of them being forced upon her. When she chooses to wear them later, she explicitly feels empowered.
@@redfoxonstilts yes, for us, a more forward-thinking generation. But in that time women really didn't think of female fashion as "oppression", it was just fashion to them.
@@thatlemonadeguy6742 maybe for girly girls. But i can see how some tomboyish women might've felt otherwise. Or women who were gay and didn't want to wear those feminine clothes but had no choice. So it is oppresive in a sense as they weren't free to choose.
The problem was the grandmother wore a more fashionable "modern" dress than the mother. So, the exact opposite than what you stated. This movie was all over the place with fashion.
I ranted about the costumes to my spouse and he was like, "And this takes you out of the story?" I was like, YES. I'm kind of vague on 1870s-1880s, but I was definitely looking at things going, "What time is this happening?"
I had the same problem. I was trying to explain to my mom and sister why the commentary on corset was completely insane. They literally used an anti women dog whistle left over from the Victorian era to make her seem feminist in the Victorian era..... It really ruined the movie for me because it’s so out of character, misinformed, and easily googled. Ugh guys if your trying to write historical strong female characters maybe spend 20 minutes researching idk historical women???
i like that after she said the “symbol of oppression “ line she then said to those who are forced to wear it. makes it feel like Enola knows that if a woman wants to wear one it’s ok
I think the costumes being all over the place is actually acceptable on account of how every 15 minutes she offers somebody money to swap clothes with her.
I didn't mind the mixing of decades because I think that an element of the movie was that it takes place in a time of progress with some characters being very progressive and some characters being very conservative. The mix of clothing styles evokes that sense of change and that anything is possible in that universe.
I agree with you. I was a little confused on time but because she was in disguise or buying second hand I chose to gloss over it. And the fact that she didn't seem to care about fashion. She was taking advice from the sales lady who wanted to make a sale. I thought it a cute film and really enjoyed the quality and textures of each outfit.
I'm pretty sure that the reason why the headmistress wasn't given a period accurate hourglass silhouette , but rather a straight and conical look, was to convey the idea of how strict and stiff she is. Instinctively, the curvy hourglass figure is associated with warmth, kindness, etc, especially in our modern mind. As for Enola, we should remember that she basically has no idea of what a Londoner Lady looks like. She's never left her countryside mansion, and her mother didn't seem particularly interested in showing her how to dress and behave, as is shown by the fact that she runs out of her room to see her brothers in her underwear. She picked the red dress because that's what she found was most out of character for her, and she would have little to no idea of what is appropriate for day wear. Same for the fit of the corset. She probably doesn't really know how to adjust it, is explicitly against changing her silhouette with various kinds of padding, and probably doesn't want to tighten it too much because she's not used to wearing one at all !
Ok, this movie had me in unexpected tears when Enola went to see her little lord before he went to vote. It is a very sweet and fun movie, but holy cow were these costumes all over the place. I think what probably happened is the team over the extras probably knew their stuff and researched from pictures of 1880s street crowds, but the team over the main wardrobe probably just cherry picked from a box labelled "Victorian" lol. Also, I would love to see you do an analysis on the costumes for Penny Dreadful. Eva Green wore so many beautiful pieces in that show!
I'm sad I won't live long enough to see what future humans do to our clothing in period pieces. Can you imagine the entire 20th century all mixed up into one show or film?
21st*, but yeah hahahahaha I can imagine this kind of missfit character wearing a My Chemical Romance t-shirt with high-waist jeans, black boots and eyeliner with an emo-style hair half-dyed pink
