Are New Cheap Bikes Better Than Vintage Super Bikes? | 2008 Olympic Super Bike Vs 2023 Budget Bike

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It seems like in the past few years mountain bikes have come on leaps and bounds. Improved geometry and design, more refined components, evolved suspension systems - arguably, bikes are better than ever. Rich wanted to see just how far we've come by pitting Oli Beckingsale's 2008 Olympics super bike against a modern budget bike, and see which came out on top after some timed testing!
⏱ Timestamps ⏱
0:00 - Intro
0:55 - 2023 Orbea Onna 10 overview
1:58 - 2007 Scott Spark Limited overview
4:33 - The climbing test
8:23 - The descending test
12:11 - The results!
Special thanks to Oli Beckingsale for entrusting Rich with his Olympic bike!
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@fourutubez7294 Год назад

2008 was only .... oh wait . I'm old !

@canyougetmeto100subwithout4 Год назад

I was born in 2008

@bat_fastard4525 Год назад

The reality sinks in … I feel ya brother

@theymademepickaname1248 Год назад

I get that exact feeling all the time.

@asim9379 Год назад

Scary how the years just tick away 🤯

@jayjohnson6825 Год назад

The days are long, but the years are short!

@wantahertzdonut Год назад

Going by the music, I didn't realize the 80s remained in England till 2008!

@alanbussell7894 Год назад

Interesting to see that despite a triple chainring being seen as well out of date it was appreciated on the uphills 🥵

@puntoycoma47 Год назад

Doubles and triples are out of date because brands said so. Don't get too surprised if they try to sell them back in a few years

@erich7863 Год назад

@@puntoycoma47 Yep couldnt agree more. I'll even take it a step further. I see the whole retro mtb/atb do everything bikes making a comeback.

@davidmaskew Год назад

I think being able to get your cadence just right for you on a longer climb is probably advantageous. When I came back into MTB after not riding for years I found not having those gear options ( on a 1X) tricky. I've never been a great climber but I personally think more gears works better on climbs. That "vintage" bike wasn't old my first MTB was a fully rigid Orange clockwork back in 1993. I eventually put some Pace RC 35 forks on it. I have a Giant ATX 990 in the loft you can use next time 😂

@alastairstedman7840 11 месяцев назад

For those of us in the know. We stuck with our mechs. Shimanos 2X12 modern MTB drives are simply *chefs kiss*

@ryoukokonpaku1575 10 месяцев назад

I feel like a 2x drivetrain similar to current gravel setups might be pretty good imo. Good balance on top speed on straights and available gearing for climbs.

@iancooper3560 Год назад

You've got to do more of these videos! Get the Zaskars, LTS, RTS, Yetis etc compared to the modern ones...

@staggerl Год назад

Retro-Rich brings all the right kinds of energy!!

@flynnstone3580 Год назад

I just got a budget bike last month, the Schwinn Al Comp 27.5 for 298 USD. At 68 I don't go downhill that fast anymore, and seems to be holding up quite well. It's was amazing, it came in a box, the wheels were true, the brakes and derailers need no adjustments, maybe I was just lucky.

@playgroundchooser Год назад

Did you get the Walmart AL Comp? Make sure it's greased in all the right spots. ;-) (missing grease in the bottom bracket / headset is common on those) That's a fun bike for sure!

@mattpike7268 Год назад

Great video, I absolutely love budget hardtails. I would absolutely LOVE a video comparing a bunch of the entry level hardtails. I'd definitely include the giant talon, and specialized rockhopper since those are the most widely available high quality budget hardtails for lots of the US. Thanks for all the good tips and information, but even more importantly, the fun entertainment you guys put out 👍

@bleh8310 10 месяцев назад

I agree. Not only because my budget and entry into the sport limits me to HTs, but because I usually feel like videos comparing HT to FS are apples to oranges. Plus anyone starting a sport but willing to drop $3000 on their first FS bike honestly probably aren't splitting hairs like we do and just buy what fits them and looks cool at the shop

@briw4647 Год назад

I have a 1997 haro mtb, kept the frame, upgraded the rest. Rides great, solid as a tank . 26" wheels but still rides great.

@puntoycoma47 Год назад

i still regret selling a CrMo 2000 Haro Vector. Keep it!

@user-uz1yf4hk5s Год назад

I still ride a 1999 Litespeed Hard tail with 26in wheelset and Vbrakes!!!

@RunnerTK Год назад

96 Breezer Lightning here, and I still love it!

@reinerkandt3535 Год назад

I built up a 2001 litespeed toccoa frame last year. I put i9 hydra hubs 140mm rock shox fork and nx eagle. I love it. It’s cool to hear someone else ripping on a vintage litespeed.

@joewickie2376 3 месяца назад

87 Mantis X/C R elevated chainstays

@Skysoulpt Год назад

i still spent less then 450 euros getting an specialized fsr xc comp '09 an 26' (did a proper maintenance) still keep up the pace with my frien :)rds with brand new 27,5 29, and i am not afraid of ride hard, still performs and didnt cost me a kidney

@tonyb9735 Год назад

Can't help thinking that a set of wider handlebars would have narrowed the result somewhat. Still, a good article. Personally, since I am not in a race, I'd take the Scott, just so I could appreciate the engineering and build quality. That would give me pleasure every time I used it.

@jonathancraig1738 10 месяцев назад

Agree. I put a shorter stem and 780 bars on my 2010 Stumpjumper FSR and it's a great bike made better. Stock bars were 660mm!!!

@madtho 9 месяцев назад

Exactly, wider bars and shorter stems bring older bikes into the modern age. -and maybe a non-integral seat pole would have helped 😂

@tonyb9735 9 месяцев назад

@@jonathancraig1738 "I put a shorter stem and 780 bars on my 2010 Stumpjumper FSR" Me too! I also have a 2010 Stumpjumper with wider bars on. I also put a set of Mavic Crossmax SL wheels on it (just love eBay), they're absolutely transformational (also run tubeless tyres). It rides XC beautifully, although I do prefer something more modern at a bike park.

@mmolej 10 месяцев назад

I ended my relation with MTB in early 2000' and switched to road bikes. After almost 20 years I bought my wife an budget friendly MTB on 29's (she did not want a gravel bike for gravel roads). I've tried it and I was in shock: the first, immediate impression was, that it almost feel like a downhill bike I remembered (tires+handlebar) which goes fine uphill. Bought similar for myself ;) Back to the roots! (literally and figuratively)

@CLEARRTC Год назад

Great video. Myself and two buddies have that generation Spark (Ranging in years from 2008-2011). The head angle isn't 70, its 69, and slacks to 68 with the supported 120mm fork. We have all opted for wider bars, replaced that "innovative" Scott Nude shock with a FOX RP23 & ProPedal that actually works. Two of the bikes have SRAM XX 2x10 while the 2008 has the same 3x9 XTR you showed here. I have a Dropper in mine, and my buddy is getting his integrated post chopped to have a dropper put in, the mold on the IST is the same diameter as the standard Spark 10. Anyway even after adding wider bars, a dropper, wider tires with modern compounds, the bike still only comes in at 23lbs or 10.4kg with Shimano XT pedals. If you have kept the bike as long as we have, you certainly have made quality of life upgrades.

@przemyslawgawel8501 11 месяцев назад

You can also put Ikon 2.35 front python 2.25 rear with inserts and drop the pressure. Would reduce the difference between 26 and 29 significantly.

@icantgivecredit871 3 месяца назад

Would love to see a video of those!

@moisesserrano4943 21 день назад

Did your friend cutted the integrated seatpost and added a dropper? I have one and I was thinking about doing the same

@N911GT2 Год назад

Budget bike… brings an Orbea. 😅

@erikd6124 Год назад

Haha aren't they sponsored by orbea? Mad it's not even the cheapest orbea onna.

@Will-vz5ne 10 месяцев назад

They get paid to bring the orbea. The whole channel is paid promotion.

@Kingsoupturbo Год назад

Amazing a fixed seat post, way up in the sky, I always cringed at those older XC races with no droppers, terrifying!

@jakubwysocki736 Год назад

When the quality dropped on me to 240p on the Scott climb… that’s when I really felt it.

@myfrequencies1912 Год назад

Authentic!

@plokmko0 Год назад

would love to see a vintage xxl 26'er restomodded to a 29/26 = 69er large reach with a 120mm air fork and shock ... 1500 pound budget for old and new bikes

@alfonshasel1995 Год назад

I dont get the 1x trend. I feel like 2x was the sweet spot, sad that this isnt a think anymore

@erich7863 Год назад

Got my first mtb as a kid in 1984. Bars have gone from "bull moose" wide curved bars, to super narrow, to where we are now. Marketing has always told us that the newest was always the best; ie narrow bars made the bike more maneuverable and better for going through tight trails. No we are back to wide bars are best.

@hjwang4477 9 месяцев назад

That’s how they keep you spending money on new gears

@chrisnelson6991 Год назад

I'm old school (or just old) but I prefer a triple chainring. Running out of gear on a undulating decent is just maddening. A 7 mile fire road climb, "say hello to my little friend" the granny ring has been my savior untold times. You took the one part on a MTB that rarely broke or wore out and got rid of it? 3x8 m900 XTR is one of the best drive trains ever made.

@sankaplays3098 3 месяца назад

Agreed, I also do love a 3x9. No idea why they got rid of it just to save 400 grams of metal. Not to mention, how much longer those three sprockets will last compared to having one big one in the front.

@madmax2069 2 месяца назад

Love a 3x setup in the gear ratios it offers, while I don't really care for a front derailleur, I learn to deal with it. I won't go less than a 3x setup, pretty much gives you a ratio for most occasions. Mine is a 3x8 22/32/42 11-34.

@madmax2069 2 месяца назад

@@sankaplays3098yeah I constantly see people saying changing to a 1x saving weight, but really you don't really notice that weight taken off from the drivetrain, not as much as you would by shaving that same amount of weight off from the wheels.

@Team81MTB Год назад

The wheel size and handlebar width was the difference maker.

@jalapenohotcakes Год назад

Fun video. Good work on that. Kept it super simple and didn't take it to serious 🤙😂🤘

@liamleech4748 Год назад

That Scott is absolutely amazing. Love my 02 cannondale Jekyll with the lefty for anything xc. But weird how much bikes have changed in regards to going downhill

@squidsleap Год назад

My last bike was an 02 jekyll with the lefty, in cream color. I love that bike! The 2008 Scott doesn't even seem vintage haha. Should have been a trek Y bike in carbon fiber, if there are any survivors to test, most cracked on a side impact though.

@lysanatt 10 месяцев назад

This. You couldn't get me to take the new bike if the Scott was an option either. Still ride my 2008 Cannondale F2 Caffeine, see no reason to swap it for something else. It's a beautiful little bike that handles well.

@kona0197 Год назад

I'll stick to my old school 26" bikes. 29ers weigh way too much.

@Desertbiker617 9 месяцев назад

My 29er FS weighs 22lbs.

@firecrackerg60 8 месяцев назад

@@Desertbiker617you're missing the point, same in 26" is what?

@limeyjoe1632 Год назад

You get used to that slightly twitchy feel the older bike has. I think if you rode the Scott for a month then did the test again it would be a different story on the downhill.

@petedog9581 Год назад

Put at least 740mm bars on the Spark for more stable handling. Still a predictable test. The only riders who prefer old geos and small wheels are still on them due familiarity, not performance. Old bikes just aren't comfortable nor faster. Also, look at the crap tires on the Orbea. If it had better tires, it would have won every challenge,

@-IE_it_yourself Год назад

i remember when we wanted twitchy bikes.

@jimmy8x541 Год назад

you just refuse to accept the truth

@limeyjoe1632 Год назад

@@jimmy8x541 Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the geometry on modern bikes is better than the older ones. However it's a comparison between a lighter weight, full suspension bike against a pretty standard hardtail. The modern bike is just going to feel more familiar to Rich, which I suspect makes quite a big difference to his speed on the downhill. Maybe Rich will prove me wrong at a later date?

@TimCupery 10 месяцев назад

yeah, that's totally right. You will be faster on technical stuff when you are used to the handling of the bike you are riding. Doesn't mean this twitchy geo is better, but humans have a lot of ability to adjust to different steering geometry.

@przemyslawgawel8501 11 месяцев назад

Brilliant! Now we are waiting for a carbon Giant NRS with wider bars and a dropper vs a budget bike!

@JohnDoe_x0 Год назад

that's a nice comparison, thanks for the video

@GeoResident Год назад

Bro the 70’s soundtracks are fire 🔥 😁 like for just that.

@bluemootang3239 28 дней назад

I ride an 04' marin hawk hill. Stock it was high stack, coil marzoochi fork and it rode okay. It was just a bike. I lowered the stack to one big spacer, uncut raceface atlas bars and raceface stem w 6° angle in 90mm, also put on a rockshox recon silver (air) and maxxis ardents (same ones on the scott lol) and omg, now it feels really, really good. I also have 185mm mechanical avid discs. Plenty of power to stop, plenty of handling, and not to mention it is SOOOOOO plush now. Its a completely different bike and owns the streets of downtown Nashville and surrounding trails thruought the state.

@pooterbilbo8132 Год назад

Do you mean to tell me the lighter, taller bike was better on the climbs and worse on descents?!! Shocked! Absolutely shocked

@drewcain 4 дня назад

The thing you can't compare though is that those of us that raced all that early kit also knew how to ride those bikes to their limits. If you've only ridden 29'ers with wide bars, 1x gearing and a less suicidal head angle, you're just not going to ride the old bikes the way they were meant to be ridden. I'm 50 now and am still riding an early 2000's Yeti ARC (full XTR, fox float 32, cross maxes and V-brakes -- weighing in sub 20lbs btw). The dozen or so guys I ride with regularly are all a decade or more younger and all ride modern XC bikes, some hardtail, some not, and I'm never last to the bottom, and often I'm first. Knowing how to ride what you've got has a lot to do with how you finish when the clock's ticking.

@floatplanebox Год назад

I’ve got that Scott in my garage still. It has a child seat strapped to it. Still rides great

@deedontworry 11 месяцев назад

More of these videos! 🤘

@anitalandkroon Год назад

Great video with a great presenter 😃

@arturstomsons3985 11 месяцев назад

I like how the budget hardtail is an Orbea that's priced around 1k 😅 For most people it's not considered budget 😅 I built my Merida Big Seven from an unloved past for around 350 euros 😄

@cd0130 11 месяцев назад

building from frame can be cheap if you know how to buy

@Thesomersetgimp 10 месяцев назад

I kinda agree, £300-500 is a minimum/if your lucky for a usable 2nd hand xc/trail bike. That’s ok if you want to just pedal about. But if you want to go really fast and leave the ground, you need £1000-1500 used and £2k+ for new.

@Optichin 10 месяцев назад

You're poor

@kanenasithaki4669 9 месяцев назад

it's not budget but hey, they are selling stuff here😂

@mfnd502 9 месяцев назад

That orbea is a lot of bike for $1k. If someone saved their money, and invested in that for a first bike, they would be happy for a long time. I agree it's expensive, but a good investment.

@karlbyrne6021 11 месяцев назад

I just bought a kona abra cadabra. The one with the magic link. 9x3 scandium alloy. It's a crazy ride on the DH. 12 YEARS old & still a thing of beauty.

@MikeTheYokel 11 месяцев назад

Until last autumn, i was still riding a 2001 Santa Cruz chameleon. Loved it. Did upgrade the front forks/wheel/brake in 2011 though. Finally got a full sums machine (Santa Cruz 5010).but didn’t have the space to keep both.

@S4Detroit Год назад

I have a 2011 Specialized Epic Marathon carbon 26". It dont see many trails anymore but I still put some miles on it. Last year Strava said I did 900 miles. Slacking this year and maybe done a bit over 100 miles. I'm going to keep riding my classic until something finally gives out. Do want to grab a gravel bike to cruise the streets with.

@yengsabio5315 Год назад

I have not yet decided to replace my 2x9 Shimano Deore transmission system with a 1x. The 2x9 system has become a 2nd nature to me as far as my use of it is concerned. Lots of love, cheers, & mabuhay, from my end--the Philippines! #RideOn #KeepBiking

@johndef5075 Год назад

2x is best. Nobody will admit it.

@jason200912 Год назад

A 2x or 3x is a requirement if you want to use it on the road.

@myfrequencies1912 Год назад

The fewer you have on the front the more you should have at the back to preserve the gear range. 1x12 gives as much range as a typical 3x set up (depending on one's chainring & cassette choices of course!) Not sure what 1x anything less than 12 would feel like. Big steps between gears I imagine & often not able to find the correct cadence! 2x11 for me & it's the perfect compromise.

@madmax2069 2 месяца назад

@@jason200912 yup, I have a 3x setup, pretty much gives you a gear ratio for most occasions. If you need to climb, change it into the small chain ring and let it eat, if you need speed, change it into the largest chain ring. If you don't need to climb or speed the center chain ring will do. If I remember correctly my 3x chain ring is 22/32/42 and my rear is 11-34.

@RyanRKJ 10 месяцев назад

Fun video. My last MTB was a Giant Anthem Advanced with 26” wheels and really narrow bars. If I were to buy a new MTB anytime soon, it would have to be on the budget side.

@maxgrass8134 Год назад

I had exactly that Scott Spark!! Was an amazing bike!

@madmax2069 2 месяца назад

3:59 pretty similar head tube and seat tube angles as my bicycle (71° headtube, 73° seat tube), but my top tube is even shorter @ 534mm vs 610mm. I absolutely love the 3x chain ring, i refuse to use anything less, even though i hate the front derailleurs because they're so archaic and often temperamental but they do their job. A 3x gives you access to a gear ratio for most types of riding.

@coldforgedcowboy Год назад

@GMBN... So if you were to put some modern higher volume fast rolling tires on the 2008 Superbike what do you think would happen???

@miseriadocao Год назад

Some wider bars too.

@przemyslawgawel8501 11 месяцев назад

And a dropper

@arturstomsons3985 11 месяцев назад

I would say that the components on the older bikes are very good, the main difference is in the wheel size - i built a good 26er a while back and rode it, I loved it, but I jumped to 27.5 and felt it straight away

@4everascending511 3 месяца назад

Very nice video. I like seeing these comparisons. I'm a smaller rider and I like better the feeling on a 26 inch MTB.

@googlepixel9pro Год назад

How about upgrading the whole bike, except the frame, to 2023 spec? If possible. Would be interesting to see

@theymademepickaname1248 Год назад

Then it would not be retro. You could put carbon fiber wheels and an ultraight fork on the budget bike, but then it would not be budget.

@noelbrown6771 Год назад

I think that if they were to change just the front end of the Scott to a 27.5 inch wheel and suspension fork combination it would improve its abilities against the modern bike. I've been adding those changes to my own retros with very nice results. Such as: Better rollover and slacker head angle. A sort of resto-mod, I suppose 😊

@erikd6124 Год назад

The tiered should have been fresh for a fair comparison

@hansjongenburger Год назад

Now do retro super trail bike vs modern cheap trail please

@erikd6124 Год назад

What year would that retro trail bike be from? I wonder if I saw a similar video before

@hansjongenburger Год назад

@@erikd6124 not sure? I guess a similar age to the one on this video, maybe I should of used a different word instead of retro hahaha

@erikd6124 Год назад

@@hansjongenburger the time span of retro is geting larger and larger,which is fine but I think we need to mentioned time span in the future too.

@MartinAtanasu 8 месяцев назад

Vintage is the 88 Stumpjumper I first bought, friction,rigid,skill. Love what riders are accomplishing today, but vintage isn't 15 years old, I am.

@XeviSi Год назад

Finally a bike i actually own, the Onna obviously. I use it as a trail with 2x drive, dropper, short stem and riser bars, lots of fun.

@stefanschmal8984 9 месяцев назад

Nice! I also own the Onna. Which stem (length) and rise bar do you use? Did you remove the spacers or did you simply replace the handlebars? Thank you! 😊

@XeviSi 9 месяцев назад

@@stefanschmal8984 I use a 35mm stem i had laying around and a 70mm ergotec riser bar (i have back problems and i need to be a little more upright than usual)

@stefanschmal8984 9 месяцев назад

@@XeviSi great, thank you! 😊

@M1keBLR Год назад

I have the same Spark LTD since 2008 ! ;) This Spark was sub 10kg in stock. With this fork and on the carbon wheels (1by) mine is sub 9kg.

@qwerrrz202 10 месяцев назад

I've had an old Cannondale beast of the east (don't know how old exactly, between 8x and 9x purple frame) which I thought was really good. Didn't come with disc brakes, but had adjustable forks and was veeeery light too. I really enjoyed riding that.

@michaelbonade4667 9 месяцев назад

I have 3 road bikes....2 Cannondales ...early 90s 3.0 Criterium Frames, and a early/ mid 2000sFuji Team SL....all aluminum.... My single mountain bike is a 2001Specialixed Stumpjumper Pro....it is never leaving my possession....Made in the USA...fairly light and fast as all frig, I rode it for two seasons while I was getting my Fuji back in shape....the Stumpjumper was so fast on my usual loop in Brooklyn (Prospect Park) that I wasn’t in such a rush🤷🏻‍♂️....the Fuji’s drive side crank arm (carbon FSA) had pedal threads that I destroyed with my MASSIVELY POWERFUL legs😂😂...and a long cage rear derailleur that I wanted to swap for the correct short cage....Campy Chorus 10 speed.....I’m not so obsessed or enamoured with the current shift in overall upgrades across the board that I’m thinking about buying in

@bobschrank473 Год назад

I'm going to guess that the Scott could have been lighter with a set of carbon tubulars rather than the wheelset in the video. Of course, they make them for 29'ers today, you just need to find them. They're wonderful.

@zq3yp Год назад

GMBN tries to relate to its viewers mission impossible

@jamble7k Год назад

gmbn are a marketing channel owned by discovery, it's no surprise they shoehorn in orbea or whatever every video 🤣

@bigslacker666 Год назад

I would think the results would be even more pronounced with FS trail bikes. Suspension and geo has come a LONG way.

@r0j0d0j0 Год назад

I still use my '07 Rockhopper for XC and it's great, was first person in my club running a 1x10 setup on a HT back in '13 and thing is still a mountain goat! Honestly think it's a coin flip between my '16 S-Works Stumpy and '09 Enduro Elite as the best bike I've ever run. I buy and build up older frames to my personal preference and only ever bought one new bike, a '15 roadie from Ribble that still gets all my road miles. Nothing wrong with saving money using older tech!

@przemyslawgawel8501 11 месяцев назад

That’s the point! XC MTBs wear out like hell in general compared to road bikes. Drivetrain suspension wheels etc it’s all consumable when you actually do some training!

@graememoore7466 Год назад

Just a fun fun video 😁👍

@mtbers Год назад

The rider makes the bike.

@ravennexusmh Год назад

custom hope carbon levers hahaha, dude those were just an option on the 07 mono mini lever, you can still buy them as spares. i have some on the mono m4's on the trek in the garage. recenty had to buy new brass barrels for them as the carbon wears the brass into an oval

@derpapito1391 Год назад

I own a 1999 Univega RAM full sus, which was pretty much top notch for your regular, average John Doe back then. It's in almost new condition, even the pads on the Magura Julie are still the first ones. While in no means comparable to the featured Scott, I prefer riding it over any midrange new bike anytime. It's my own little timecapsule that takes me back to when I first started riding, but couldn't afford more than a Marin hardtail

@chevystuffs5971 9 месяцев назад

In the 90's we didn't have wide open, flowing, groomed trails. It was tight, technical, obstacle strewn SINGLE track. Narrow bars were narrow for a reason. You had to fit in a narrow trail. Granny gears were low for a reason."Twitchy" was necessary to navigate trails with ruts, roots, ROCKS, and actual difficult terrain. That magic carpet you get to ride will of course favor a long, low and slack modern bike.

@maxbodifee3263 10 месяцев назад

Omg those welds on the Orbea are something else 🐛

@JosephMBoyer 9 месяцев назад

great music choice

@Matthew-jr5kd 3 месяца назад

I've got a scott scale xc rc aged really well there's not much difference in my bike and the one in the video can 100% say that the nude shock is on another level with remote lock out you get 3 settings never had any issues old but gold

@mattyfrommacc1554 Год назад

I would like you see and do it on a proper old bike, an early 90s super MTB, fully rigid or some early hardtails, Tomacs Yeti and other classics

@Roland26778 9 месяцев назад

thinking about getting on Onna 50 or 40 on sale.They come with either 2x8 or 2x9.I have a spare XT rd m772 so I could use that and maybe convert my old triple Stylo chainset to double and bring some weight down off factory specs.Even if 29 wheels look huge they are the way to go over bumpy stuff and provide more grip on slippy climbs also better for mileage

@charlesholland6851 Год назад

I have two modern mtbs. Yesterday I ran my 2001 Jekyll with busted headshoknand still broke pr's

@Advcrazy 11 месяцев назад

I instantly regretted changing to 1x for 2x. My XT 8000 2x shifted perfectly and never dropped the chain (ok it happened once). My eagle XX1 drops the chain pretty rarely, but it’s not any better than the 2x was. Sure the 1x is a little lighter but the lower gears and higher gears on the 2x makes it faster for XC type riding.

@johnnydoe66 Год назад

I started mtn biking in 1991 and have been amazed at the changes in geometry and tech. I think the best changes are, wider bars, longer reach, and droppers.

@maxx0r050 Год назад

Not tubeless?

@johnnydoe66 Год назад

@maxx0r050 That also, don't know how I forgot that

@jamble7k Год назад

@@johnnydoe66 decent disc brakes as well

@myfrequencies1912 Год назад

29" (incl. boost hubs)!

@z33tanner Год назад

Those bars are so narrow holy crap haha, I got into MTB around 2010 it's amazing to see how much the bike designs have changed top to bottom

@BirdmanDeuce26 Год назад

makes me curious as to what the design philosophy was back then. narrower bars = more aero? Or had they just not got around yet to experimenting with wider bars for control?

@noelbrown6771 Год назад

Been riding since 1995. My quess is that climbing and sprinting ability controlled bar widths, which allows for more side to side swing while peddling out of the saddle on climbs and sprints. A plus since most riders were turning over 175mm cranks in those times.

@robertsonmw 11 месяцев назад

Been riding mountains bikes since the mid-80s in the South, the narrow bars were required where we rode because the trails where true trails and were usually narrow. There was no grooming or cutting down trees, the actual "trail" a lot of times was only about a foot wide.@@BirdmanDeuce26

@BirdmanDeuce26 11 месяцев назад

@@robertsonmw thank you! That makes a lot of sense

@echambee Год назад

The comparison we want is old DH bike vs modern trail bike.

@mattsgigvids4839 10 месяцев назад

I still have a 2009 Kona Dawg Supreme frame that i cant bring myself to depart with....the thing was an absolute beast on the downs....I now have a Whyte t130 set up 1x but i still miss the 2x 10 double and bash set up of the Kona

@matejbabic7358 Год назад

I would love to have a 2x on my enduro, i do not mind cable mess and more maintenance is so better to go uphill with 3x or 2x, i changed my canyon stoic and my gf avalanche to 2x both and we have more fun uphill. I see 1x good just for e-bikes, wonder how pinion gearbox system works, would love to test that.

@eskimo427 9 месяцев назад

I'd take my 2010 Scott Spark over that Onna any day of the week. Three rings rule :)

@Larry93215 10 месяцев назад

I have a 2004 carbon Trek fuel 100 I love it it climbs great

@yzhang7647 Год назад

I didn't see too many technical upgrading between them. It's a race between 26 full suspension and 29 hardtail.

@marcinprochownik8120 Год назад

Long time ago i have same Scott Spark but it weight 10kg, when i swith to Orbea Oiz with same weight i improve all my dh times, but i never beat any uphill times

@Mrtallguy76 Год назад

That was a bit like me riding my 2008 Rockhopper against my son and his 2022 Commencal Clash…

@TimCupery 10 месяцев назад

I love how retro music is 1980s, even when the bike is from about 2007.

@tubularmonkeymaniac Год назад

Wider bars and a mullet set up would make that Scott 100x more Fun

@Andy-co6pn Год назад

Pretty lucky that the Spark seat was at the correct height for you, or was it ??

@TheArimatheus 9 месяцев назад

I just in March finished a frame-up build on a 2008 Specialized Epic Marathon 26" (very direct competitor to the Spark) for about $1100. I went with Deore 2x10 instead of 1x to save some money, otherwise it's all "second from top" of the line mostly. I much prefer it to my 2021 Stumpjumper Elite HT.

@bubblebobblekd Год назад

I just bought a giant xtc 2022 of ov eBay brand new £710 to say it’s not the best x country I’ve ever ridden is a understatement every bit of power you put in the pedals is paid of in massive quantities, when it comes to buying a bike think b4 you buy trail bikes are great but don’t buy one if all you ride is xc flat canal paths.

@redp5203 Год назад

Do it with a 27,5 superbike from like 2010s against a bang for the Buck Modern

@JeffersonLane762 Год назад

would be nicety see an apples-to-apples comparison (fullsus to fullsus)

@JennVanMassenhoven Год назад

Mike's racing bike is a '98 team issue Sasquatch, hardtail; mine is a '96 team issue GT LTS thermoplastic carbon, full suspension (how I got so lucky to have owned not one, but TWO team issue GTs I'll never know. The broken one is a '92 LTS-3. Micro fractures all through the front triangle). At age 50, we still love those bikes. We love the narrower handlebars, the fact that we have to work to ride the bikes, rather than the bikes doing all the riding for us, and my suspension floats over stuff. We don't do hardcore downhill (anymore. Mike used to race road, DH and XC), mostly cross-country with some techy stuff, but we love the ride. We do have a question though, Rich. You're doing a test of XC bikes yet you didn't take them cross-country. Why?

@Persgas Год назад

But why compere a fullsus with a hardtail? Narrow the differenses with two hardtails instead. But great vid!

@battistaverardi1240 Год назад

I would take the 2008 Scott in a heartbeat! These “ modern “ bikes are nothing but a gimmick! I could go on and on about all the specs of each. Plus the cranks and rear derailleur on the scott are masterpieces. Even the suspension on the scott is still top of line. Just change a few components on the scott as it’s a timeless MTB!

@jcorrance Год назад

The same I've found with my '06 Kona CoilAir ....

@heinricholiphant9676 Год назад

Vmy build 3x10... Never got 1x.. Shimono wheelhubs sealed bearings..2010 oakland silverback .. 2x8 system.. Build it later to 3x10 system.. Now im struggling. Cause its a 26er..but its fast.. 11x36 back and front 42t.32t and 22t..😅😅...dont knew if its ridable.. Cause its a big frame

@27lacuna27 9 месяцев назад

I expect the Scott felt very unusual to someone that is used to riding bigger wheels, wider bars and slacker head angle and you aren't going to be able to just jump on set good times. If I look at my old Strava times for when I was regularly riding 26" I don't really see a massive difference to what I'm doing now. Sure, my bikes are more comfortable and stable now but not really faster. A more interesting comparison would be an early 29er compared to something current. My 2011 Scott Scale was fantastic and I only changed it because I wanted a bolt through rear axle

@Xurs.suspicious.smoothie Год назад

Ahhh that Scott is a beauty

@jindevil72 Год назад

What's the song when Rich switch to the Spark for the climbing test? It's good tho 😂

@robertclark5874 Год назад

As a former SSer, I'd argue that the 1x was faster gearing on the climb because it forced you to go harder, where the 3x9 enabled you to be lazy.

@erich7863 Год назад

3x9 enabled you to be lazy...would you like to comment on the ebike boom!!! lol

@maxbodifee3263 10 месяцев назад

You might wanna reconsider using that acronym in this way

@EduardoMusasa 9 месяцев назад

just get a single then and stop being lazy

@Roland26778 9 месяцев назад

It still doesn´t make sense if you can't maintain a smooth cadence.On my triple 9 I bareley used the granny ring now I do and my knees also thank me.

@robertclark5874 9 месяцев назад

@@Roland26778 attacking and grinding a climb is much faster than smooth cadence. You might manage a smooth cadence attacking a road climb, but not off-road.

@madl88p7 Год назад

I went the old superbike option and its not that bad tbh so if your tight on budget i recommend it

@TryboBike Год назад

The Spark with 700c x 38mm wheels and drop bars makes for an absolutely bonkers gravel bike. Had one, rode it until it cracked.

@cd0130 11 месяцев назад

I bet that rocked

@rpiereck74 9 месяцев назад

Imagine that! 3 chain rings being faster on the uphill, who would have thought?? Another reason why I prefer a 2 by over a 1 by drivetrain. 1 by just doesn't have the needed range for steep hills.

@truckinghell1655 Год назад

That orbea is not a budget bike . Raleigh or a bottom budget carrera would have been the test haha . Great video

@ryanmccormack2458 Год назад

For a real budget capable hardtail I'd always say the Vitus Nucleus VR or VRS would be the one to beat.

@andrewince8824 Год назад

Those Hope brakes are still monstrously powerful. I love the fact Hope has always offered immense power with sexy looks.

@Daniel_KS Год назад

Good old bike and add a dropper post (if you can). There you have it! And now there's even parts to slacken the front head angle! But look at the costs, maybe it's best to get a modern proper trail bike.