Are old Citadel paints REALLY better?

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I was granted a box of 30 year old games workshop / citadel paints to paint my warhammer with. So i conducted a fun test to see how the new type vallejo and citadel paints compare to the 30 year old ones - a true oldhammer paint off. Thanks Krister for the paints ( / kryokinesi )
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@SquidmarMiniatures 3 года назад

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@donald7216 3 года назад

I am very excited for the brushes they look great

@richardlynch-wilson9356 3 года назад

The completely round pots are mark ones and they lasted the best . They don't thin well with plain water a drop of thinner works better. But if you want to try any old colours i have draws full of them i am still using.

@scottlock8584 3 года назад

I got given one of these I put a drop of paint thinner in gave it a gd shake then added a drop of lahmium medium in gave that a gd shake and managed to save quite a bit P.S those hexagons were terrible

@wolfbytes8787 3 года назад

did he play space wolves he has alot of sw colors

@timothysatyr6674 3 года назад

I store the paints upside down. Seems to make mixing easier 🤷‍♂️

@GoobertownHobbies 3 года назад

I guess 25 years of living in an attic isn't good for anyone huh? Minis look awesome tho! I really like the hues of those old colors.

@Ainar86 3 года назад

That sweet, neon green...

@jeffjensen8 3 года назад

Hey, I've been in my attic for 24 years and so far everything's been grea--- uh oh.... Gotta go!

@JayAndNightASMR 3 года назад

The best thing was the old paints were they were named better and were more consistent, they're constantly changing the new paints so you end up with 3 very slightly different colours of the same name.

@zhain0 3 года назад

Probably done in smaller batches, most paint is like that. Its why you always match batch numbers.

@captin3149 3 года назад

I still have some of them and they still perform better than their 'replacements'

@JayAndNightASMR 3 года назад

@@captin3149 yeah I have a pot of ink left and works like a charm still

@JayAndNightASMR 3 года назад

@@GPOLICE yeah you see it all the time people thinking they haven't mixed properly no matter how hard they try, when in actual facts it is actually different

@Electricalphil 3 года назад

@@GPOLICE Oh yeah, I have a Tau army that was fucked because they discontinued the line,.

@DMStraylight 3 года назад

The round-bottle paints are actually still available new today, under the Coat d'Arms brand, I believe still made by the same mabufacturer GW contracted for them back in the '80s.

@funoff3207 3 года назад

Not sure how he didn't find this out

@Arbbal 3 года назад

How does this not have more likes? Strangely enough I was just thinking about the old paints GW used to have, and I remembered how much I miss their old Armor Wash. I just checked Coat d'Arms and they still make it. Thank you so much.

@Dextarish Год назад

I had forgotten the name of this brand and I have been looking for them for like a year, thanks dude did me a major solid!

@heasne1738 3 года назад

We all know the best paint is goblin green

@davidmarsh6656 3 года назад

Too true.

@bendd6371 3 года назад

Agreed

@nacholibre4516 3 года назад

I wish I could like this comment more than once

@e55ex36 3 года назад

Facts

@Sonofiron 3 года назад

Big true

@jordivermeulen2519 3 года назад

One thing I will say about these old paints: the seals on the pots were much better. When I got back into painting a while back, I had a bunch of pots from different eras. The only ones that were still usable were some of the hexagonal ones, which are the oldest paints I own. All the newer pots had simply turned into a big dry lump. That said, I still wish Citadel paints came in dropper bottles. I recently transfered all my paints to droppers and I don't think I'll ever want to go back.

@tristanellis-mascoll1171 3 года назад

Well the nice part about the citadel paints is that you can use some directly from the pot. As for the 3rd and up generation of paints, I regret throwing them away. I could have ground the up into pigments (and either use them for basing or to improve cheaper colours).

@cptncutleg 3 года назад

@@tristanellis-mascoll1171 that's a great idea actually, I'll keep that in mind ^_^

@cptncutleg 3 года назад

The hexagonal bottles were fantastic. I still have a lot of Black Ink, which I use a dropper to mix and create my own wash every now and again

@OrionTheAussie 3 года назад

Buy dropper bottles my dude. That's what I do. I always transfer my citadel paints to dropper aside from the dry brush ones.

@razaz03 3 года назад

Yeah I've done the transfer and don't buy citadel paints any more unfortunately for that reason alone, even when I wish to support gw.

@bigkahoonaburger7303 3 года назад

Nostalgia makes me say A is the best, i miss the vibrancy of the old models and that glowing green goblin made me smile 😃

@L3ttuc3 3 года назад

Agreed. It just looked like it belonged on a game board, where the other looked like a display piece. Both good, but A was the one that made me want to play a game for some reason

@MentoliptusBanko 3 года назад

The most amazing thing about those old paints is that they are still usable after more than 20 years in the pot :O

@artsyork3915 3 года назад

thats why they changed them. No money in paints that last soo long. Ive had paints that didnt even last a year nowadays.

@MrZauberelefant 3 года назад

@@artsyork3915 Got a mega paint set from 2009 or 2010 and after 10 years, almost all colours were still good.

@michaelwade6086 3 года назад

@@artsyork3915 Actually, they changed them because they used leaded pigments in paint back then.... the same time the minis switched from lead to Pewter. IIRC, both the first gen (the tapered round bottles) and the second gen (the octagonal bottles) were produced before the change.

@artsyork3915 3 года назад

@@michaelwade6086 well that i get then. They did seem to last longer but then again with our habbits of painting on thumbs and licking brushes that may have not been so great.

@michaelwade6086 3 года назад

@@artsyork3915 I probably have some residual brain damage from doing just that.

@porcu12345 3 года назад

Oh man. The original Tin Bitz. I used to paint my "Space Orkz" armour with that back in the day. I still have so many of these old school paints and they are still fully functional after all those years being opened. Only a couple of them dried up.

@andrewpackham8236 3 года назад

Tin bitz was a truly Orky colour indeed

@digitaldeviltry 3 года назад

I miss Tin Bitz and Graveyard Earth the most.

@padanfain7466 3 года назад

Tinny tin from Valejo is a perfect substitute

@jorey4565 3 года назад

New Citadel paints have huge problem for light colors especially with kind of sedimentation creating lumps..you have to filter them to have a nice fluid paint for brush & airbrush..i have all brands complete paints of them,Vallejo model and game,AK interactive 3gen,Citadel LAyer and Base,Kimera,and some scale 75 ,etc..there are not a brand most better than a another,each have their wickness and strengh. But i must admit Citadel,then well diluted with airbrush thinner for airbrush or water/airbrush thinner for brush are my best paints to used. I'm 50years old,winning 3 golden demon in France,and start painting in years 1985.

@OrionTheAussie 3 года назад

I've found only some citadel are okay to thin and airbrush. Vellejo is a better option for airbrush imo. I do think citadel made airbrush paints but probably expensive

@cartouchator 3 года назад

@@OrionTheAussie their air range is terrible and doesn't match the non air colour paint of the same name :( citadel paints are very fine used in airbrush the only problem is transfering the paint into the airbrush cup is annoying due to their bottle design. Other than that never had an issue. That's being said I agree with some of their whites and yellows being not very good. Ceramite white for instance is the worst I've ever seen, brand new pot straight from the shop already had lumps in it and was so thick it was more like a paste, and adding water to it just made the pigments separate... Awful.

@jorey4565 3 года назад

@@OrionTheAussie Hi,i have not buy the Citadel airbrush color,but this afternnon i save two bottles of Dorn Yellow,horrible to see,even the paints was receive "factory new",huge lumps and sedimentation,i was ready to put them to the garbage,but i finally save them ,this is the formula; -add to the bottle directly a metallic agitator ball,20 drops of Vallejo airbrush flow improver,20 drops of Vallejo airbrush thinner and 10 drops of Liquitex airbrush thinner/medium !!and shake like hell !!! and that's it..i have not a special formula for airbrush,used all brands and mixing them together according to my utilisation..hope it helps..

@ericsmith1508 3 года назад

I started by painting my Heroquest set with Testor's enamel model paints. I had a basic set with red, black, blue, yellow, and white. No green. No purple. No flesh. My dad (who was a professional artist and sign painter most of his life) taught me how to mix blue and red for purple, blue and yellow for green, red and yellow for orange, and red and black to get brown, then how to mix that with various amounts of white to get all my different flesh tones. I was fortunate that my father was a professional artist because I got a head start on color mixing for those various tones and colors.

@michaelpurvis7324 3 года назад

I had almost the exact same experience but my father has never supported my ''little plastic men'' hobby😕

@justanotherdayinthelife9841 3 года назад

I love the vivid green of the old school goblin skin over all others 100%.

@idk-yl7fn 3 года назад

I think we all wanna know one thing. Which one tastes the best?

@Amadan78 3 года назад

I disliked the taste of skull white.

@ThatWildcard 3 года назад

Modern khorne red make your tongue tingle while a fresh pot of Blood for the bloodgod smells like cheap cherry candy

@thejellyranger7679 3 года назад

As a devout brush-licker, I can say Leadbelcher burns the tongue. Nurgle’s Rot is delicious, change my mind.

@thejellyranger7679 3 года назад

Waystone Glow tastes exactly like it smells: delicious.

@arczersky 3 года назад

@@thejellyranger7679 i kinda like leadbelcher... i hate taste of incubi darkness

@WillSpengler 3 года назад

The old round and hex bottle paints were manufactured in the UK by a company called HMG. They also manufacture Coat d'Arms and P3 :)

@YeAuldGrump 3 года назад

The Coat d'Arms paints are the old Citadel colors rebranded.

@nicholassinnett2958 3 года назад

Also the same manufacturer behind the Foundry paint line. P3 and Foundry were both designed by veteran GW staff members (Mike McVey for P3, Brian Ansell for Foundry), so they use the same basic formula as these old GW paints. P3 at least seems to have stronger pigments on average though.

@pentacosttb2565 3 года назад

@@YeAuldGrump yeah, I was hoping this would show a comparison with Coat D'Arms paints too. Would be interesting to see how accurate they are, and how they hold up compared to modern paints.

@TheGameCraftDragon 3 года назад

I think the issue had more to do with the actual age, rather than the quality of the actual paints. I'd suggest you try Coat d'Arms - they were the original manufacturer of the citadel pots before they brought the manufacturing in house. Trying new Coat d'Arms vs New Citadel might be a better experience.

@drewthornley6863 3 года назад

Having used coat d'arms for years before moving to a mix of GW and Vallejo I can say they really weren't as good, just so inconsistent

@MasterShake9000 3 года назад

Coat D’Arms aren’t the original maker. HMG Paints is the original supplier for the round and hex bottle ranges for GW seen in this video. When GW changed suppliers with the bolter shell pots, Coat D’Arms licensed HMG to continue producing the GW range under the Coat D’Arms brand. Blackhat Minis later bought the brand, and expanded it with a historicals range of colors (the original GW range is labeled as the Fantasy range). Mike McVey, whom GW tasked with redesigning their range from the original round pots to the hex pots, was later hired by Privateer Press to design their P3 range. P3 is also produced by HMG paints, and if you compare it to either Coat D’Arms or the GW hex bottle range, they’re virtually identical (not counting the more recent paints and inks that P3 has added to its range). The only change is that P3 paints are made using liquid pigments, rather than the solid fine ground pigments that the rest use. Additionally, Warcolours Paints has a “Nostagia 88” range that replicates the original GW set, although I believe it’s made by Warcolours themselves and was reverse-engineered, so the exact formulas may not match the originals. HMG also makes the Foundry paint range as well.

@excerpt1978 3 года назад

last time i was this early, the emperor was still alive

@daniel.likes.sharks 3 года назад

HERESY

@sirdragon6860 3 года назад

Which one ?

@Mad.player 3 года назад

He is still alive. Brother Hans, get ze prometheumverfer.

@custodianguard749 3 года назад

@@Mad.player well, i mean he's called the corpse emperor for a reason.

@Hepabytes 3 года назад

Too soon

@NordiskBlod 3 года назад

Oh my sweet summerchild. Starting with Citadel paints. I remember starting out with old as hell, toxic, stinking and impossibly difficult Humbrol Enamel paints that my dad gave me. I can tell yor today, that you should NOT lick a brush loaded with enamel paint. Tasted bad, and felt even worse. But i was just an idiotic 12 year old dane. What did i know about toxic paints? Buying my first Citadel set was like switching from sandpaper to 4 ply toiletpaper. Smoooooooth and niiiiice. Anyways, keep doing your thing. You rock. Well.. for a swede. Hilsen fra Danmark.

@cluelesscraftsman 3 года назад

Nordisk Blod same here. Humbrol enamels. On airfix model aircraft at first, then miniatures when I got into AD&D. And then citadel paints were released and everything changed. I actually still have most of my original pots somewhere.

@senint 3 года назад

Nordisk Blod LoL! I learned to paint with Humbrol’s Enamel paints under strict guidance from my dad... I was somewhere under 10yo when I started... 😂 ...sweet 90s memories... 😭

@uriance88 3 года назад

Here in Canada it was all about the 'fine, high quality' testors enamels . . .with the arrival of the Tamiya acrylics/lacquers like a gift from the heavens (back in the 80's and 90s, GW was extremely niche and other than holdover citadel blister packs in most gaming stores, not much to be found. Coming back to painting a couple of years ago has been so much easier

@cptncutleg 3 года назад

I "basecoated" my first model with yellow enamel paint... and not thinly.

@Sangramore 3 года назад

Trying to paint plastic german tanks with crap brushes and Humbrol paints. The memories, mostly the smell. Hey Emil! That's a challenge for you. Get some Humbrol oil paints and see how you like them.

@willthorson4543 3 года назад

Bolt gun metal is awesome. I still use it. Great for weld seams and tank road wheels and track edges.

@djwoody1649 3 года назад

The black lidded ones in the glass pots still work for me, I've had em since I was very young, they even survived a trip across the world to New Zealand.

@simonphelon7221 3 года назад

Hey, I've moved to NZ too, I got rid of all my stuff years before I moved though so have spent more on postage than on the minis building up a new collection.

@djwoody1649 3 года назад

@@simonphelon7221 Hard luck mate, I forgot about mine for years before I got back into it. Then forgot again and, lo and behold, here I am again. That's why I don't think I could bring myself to sell them. Gotta love NZ, beautiful country, shite government and individual rights protection but that's just like home.

@Shypa 3 года назад

I started with this paints. nice time travel here

@borisketou3177 3 года назад

Humbrol, Heller, Testors, Tamiya... back in second part of 70's.

@patrickmcelveen387 3 года назад

Emil, thanks for continuing the nostalgia theme. Brings me back to old days when I had time to paint and play regularly.

@TGBloke 3 года назад

I'm not certain this was a fair comparison as these paints were 30 years old. If you want a modern comparison, try the Coat of Arms (Cote d'Arms) paints instead. Those are as close as you can get to those original round bottle paints (including the actual colors) - they're my favorite paints for them (except metallic paints - those you can get better elsewhere - Vallejo and P3 in particular).

@victorjl 3 года назад

I think Coat d'Arms still manufactured the P3 bottles, at least until recently AFAIK.

@TGBloke 3 года назад

@@victorjl I believe they still do, yes. Though admittedly it's been a while since I bought anything from them.

@sylthaya7571 3 года назад

All the comparisons I’ve seen coat d arms aren’t as vibrant

@Artaxerxes1986 3 года назад

I painted space wolves when their new codex and models came out in 3rd edition. I distinctly remember the trouble I had painting the yellow shoulder pads. I think the paint I was using was Sunburst Yellow. I tried painting it on space wolf grey, then white, then grey and not a single coat would go on without being uneven and blotchy. I recently had to paint a yellow shoulder pad for an Imperial Fist Deathwatch marine and I was dreading it. I used Averland Sunset and was amazed at how easy it went on, no unevenness, no blotchiness, very smooth with great coverage. I also used to paint Blood Angels back in the day and remember how difficult it was to cover mistakes on the red armour. Any mistake with black or darker paint never got fully covered up. The modern paints are so much better!

@Gunnlaugr11 3 года назад

At least those pots were more user friendly than when I started in 99/2000, where you just had a hexagonal screw-top. Those things dried up so quickly.

@LexandroX 3 года назад

Thanks for this video Squidmar! You are confirming what I ran into a lot when opening my old bottles from 90th after 20 years. At first I thought I'm doing something wrong. Many of the paints seem not to be made for wet pallet. Anyway, I still paint with them today just trying to use them outside my wet pallet. Can't bring myself to replace them. Too much nostalgia! :)

@azbarbarian1602 3 года назад

I would recommend a porcelain or plastic palette for those older paints. They are hydrophilic and will absorb more water from a wet palette than you may be used to. I still have some of these and moved them into dropper bottles within the last year.

@BuzZzpH7 3 года назад

I painted back in the 90s and remember the lids breaking off all the time. Love the paint jobs on both but have to say the new paints look much better. Nice work

@johnsmith7580 3 года назад

Amazing video Emil!

@tomc7874 3 года назад

Those paints are so nostalgic! Brings back lots of memories

@Lodorn 3 года назад

Great Video, as always! My first Citadel Paints were those with the screw-on tops.

@leaningtoweravenger 3 года назад

For metal miniatures, with no plastic parts, acetone works very well and fast. As for the colours, boltgun metal was really super cool and I miss it a lot, it looked like some mix of a aluminium and a black wash

@OrakelofDeath 3 года назад

I really love this old paints. The first thing I looked for were my old paints from the 90ies, the pre'98 and the post'98 bottles. The post'98-Range hat to leave for good in the next trashbin. But the pre'98 had a lot of survivors. So, this are back in use again at the moment side by side with vallejo and a few coat d'arms pots. (There are a few original-colors from the old times I don't want to miss and coat d'arms seems to be the revamped old formula by the guys, which deliveres the paints to gw in the first place.)

@NoProcrastinationMiniatures 3 года назад

What I love most about the old paints (before the screw tops and clear hex pots) is that there's more chance of opening it today and it being fine than a paint you bought last year being fine!

@Ynffy 3 года назад

Målade med de gamla "rundlocken". Helt okej för sin tid och de överlever länge. Hexagonerna är av en senare tillverkare och är skräp. De gamla rundlocksfärgerna säljs visst fortfarande av Coat D'arms under eget namn.

@justanothercaptain6566 3 года назад

Nice video! 👍. I started using Testors 20 yrs ago. They were metallic car colours for model cars. It was all i could get and used them for painting Napoleonic soldiers. 😀

@animatedlemur686 3 года назад

I love your sculptures!!!!

@lactatinglobstr 3 года назад

Yup the boltgun style pot was what I grew up with as well! Haha fun video that's for the upload!

@GirlPainting 3 года назад

BTW, those round pots are the best in the market to keep your paints from drying out (this video is literaly the proof of that). you can get those pots from the warcolour website. i refilled all of my paints to them ^^ love em to bits

@GirlPainting 3 года назад

@theboldbear for those who know my channel, i hate dropper bottles with passion.

@GirlPainting 3 года назад

@theboldbear lets just say i had some....accidents...with dropper bottles in the past and leave it there ;-)

@Drashia08 3 года назад

the struggle of opening those bottles. Omg memories

@cyagen9782 3 года назад

I used the Ral Partha paints, they were still usable when I threw them away when I moved some years ago. I like A better, but I like the cartoony vibrant color scheme of the 90s a lot. Would be interesting to compare them to the actual Coat of Arm, to see if they evolved and solve some of the problems. And by the way, the Army painter washes are up there with the Citadelle one, they are better than the Vallejos ones. And why are you talking them down? They are Danish, so half Swedish ;)

@x31omega 3 года назад

Nostalgia: what you remember as a kid with emotion attached is never actually as good in reality as you remember.

@TebosBrushandColour 3 года назад

Thx for this video, I become young again. And I remembered my warhammer start in the 2nd edition.

@tomaveryta 3 года назад

My first were those big hexagonal paints, still have a bunch... 20 yrs old and still work, rather than the new ones which dry within a year without use! Great vid as always dude!

@Afrotoffee 3 года назад

I love your style man, I need to get me some tops like yours!

@RedRob52 3 года назад

Hi Emil. Thanks for a great channel. I rwally enjoy these videoes. As i am an older guy i startrd painting with the old round bottles from citadel in 1989. I used drybrushing as described in the old manuals from GW a lot.... I started up again one year ago and have bought all new paints. I still have all my old paints and painting manuals though.

@RedRob52 3 года назад

In addition i can trll you that i am currentli painting all my 2nd edition Blood Bowl star player minis. Lokking forward to some newer models soon. I am getting tired of metal minis...

@L3GHO5T 3 года назад

The finished product green on the goblin from the old paints looks so nice

@andrewpackham8236 3 года назад

The black lid hexagon bottles had an air hole in the hinge, almost as if they were designed to slowly dry out

@SonsOfLorgar 3 года назад

And the clear hexagon screw lids that came just before them was even worse.

@weekendheroes6822 3 года назад

I grew up with the old round pots which are still produced today. The company is called Coat d'arms, based here in the UK & they made the range for citadel back in the 80's & still use the same round pots today as they did back then. I just recently bought an entire set of paints from them as an urge to return to the brushes was too strong & the need to paint minis after 30 years away was something that was needed to fill covid down time & all my old citadel paints from way back then were just about pooped so had to invest in some new ones.

@mrheisenberg83 3 года назад

nice cinematography!

@nathanbrady5648 3 года назад

Still have some of those paints bought in the late 90s and are not dried out yet and still useable.

@skyhymitch 3 года назад

The first paints I started off with were the acrylics you can still buy at Wal-mart that had the apple (or cherry?) logo. I was 13 and could barely afford collecting pieces for an army so I just used what we already had around the house. Fast-forward to my late 20's after getting back into the hobby and I decided to start using Citadel and oh what a difference! Really a great line of paint but I wish they used dropper bottles. I've been using droppers for a year now and notice I don't have to deal with dry paint the way I used to.

@Multipew 3 года назад

Watching this I remembered how much my thumb used to hurt from opening those pots.

@B4MBI72 3 года назад

I still have some of those old paints, now in dropper bottles though, still good almost 30 years later.

@simonmears4073 3 года назад

Love that retro vibe on the first Goblins skin. I still use about twenty of the round pot paints along with new GW colours.

@Glennw 3 года назад

Watching you opening those old pot lids over and over again is giving my thumbs blisters...

@SonsOfLorgar 3 года назад

I like the latest gen paints, but I'd want them in the old hexagonal white rubber capped bottles or properly sealing dropper bottles, and bottles full to actual capacity at that, not just 30~60%... I also really want the old 90ies inks, some of the old coloured metallics esp glistening green, (the 90ies gold paint was liquid shit though) and some of the washes esp flesh wash. One later paint I really want back is mechrite red.

@timothysatyr6674 3 года назад

So crazy, like a few months ago I dug out my old Warhammer stuff. The 80s paints were still good. Ever since that day I have seen so many posts referring to the OG citadel paints. I had 3 lines of paint. The round and hexagon ones from the 80s and the screw top from the 90s. None of the screw tops survived. However most of the ones from both lines in the 80s survived. I've also got into the OG citadel and muarader chaos dwarves, at that time, and have seen so much stuff popping up regarding the original dwarves! Crazy!

@wlavis 3 года назад

The paints have improved a lot over the years, I like the old paints for nostalgia value but the new offerings from GW are actually really good paints

@candidgamera 3 года назад

My first paints for minis were 1990's era Ral Partha / AD&D paints. It had a light grey with just a hint of a purplish tone that I considered the gold standard for basic stone floors for years..

@javrel420 Год назад

I still have these paints! all paint I got later dried out, these pots from the 90s, still good! using the goblin green right now :)

@andrewwilson6875 3 года назад

I started painting when I was a kid with the citadel colour paints which came in the black topped bottles. They’re were really nice and I still use some of them!

@user-md2bb2vg3h 3 года назад

b was my favorite... i started with Vallejos and have ejoyed their airbrush ready line.... keep up the good work.. i enjoyed the video

@NeillRobinson 3 года назад

That mega paint set at 4.34.. I have that, still! I am getting back into painting and a lot of them now look like that green one you had difficulty rescuing - I have had good success using a thinner mix and a jigsaw with a clamp attached to super shake the paint pots with a small metal ball bearing inside. I could do a short video if anyone is interested - it’s amazing how a paint with the texture of blu tac / old chewing gum can be brought really back to life!!

@TrentRosenbaum 3 года назад

I started with the round paint pots and then I missed the pots that you started with, (black lids). I have just acquired an original 80s Terminator Captain and really cannot wait to paint him up with today's paints. I have my original with the classic Goblin Green base etc. it was fun to remember them through the video.

@Burgala 3 года назад

I like the wolf from B and the goblin from A. You got some awesome colours out of the the old paints on the goblin and it's shield.

@jubble 3 года назад

That was really interesting. I think that the standard of painting has improved massively over the last 30 years in general across the Hobby. What was fascinating was how similar the miniature painted with the old paints looks to the goblin wolf riders I've got from 30 years ago. It's that goblin green/ bilious green combo!

@markpywell3506 3 года назад

such a fascinating video. Seeing how far the technical/chemical aspects of the older paints behave, compared to the huge variety of perfected paints of these days.

@grizzlyblackpowder1960 3 года назад

Gonna make a prediction that they look pretty similar. Most painters can make almost any paint work when they need to. And I believe that motivation and adaptation to new products is truly the key to success when I comes to minis.

@Goblins_and_Aliens 3 года назад

Man I love the old pots. I grew up using the second batch of paint's in the octagonal pots. In all fairness the 2nd Goblin my preferred paint job. It just goes to show that our memory is better than reality.

@RagDollRat 3 года назад

tbf he used 30+ year old paint lol, citadel paint now doesnt even last a couple years. also you can buy that same paint new, the company that made it still eixsts www.blackhat.co.uk/

@levelplane8586 3 года назад

Hex bottles and I still have a few on the Shelf! Love your stuff bro! Bless!

@sihy 3 года назад

Taking the skin off your fingers trying to open them? Yep, that's definitely the memory I have of 90's Citadel paints.

@jandssales 3 года назад

I saved almost two/thirds of my large collection of RalPartha paints. I rigged a clamp to a reciprocal saw and mixed them fast. Those paints are over 20 years old. I am happy to have them back. Such memories.

@Mastattak 3 года назад

I dig the short hair 😂 Nice video as always, mate

@phillipchronister7035 3 года назад

Still have some of the old paints I bought in the mid 90s and luckily they still cover well.

@muldivite 3 года назад

I’m sooo jealous of you getting those paints!!, I like the paint colors of the old paints better.

@mattcurr9931 3 года назад

check out Warcolours - Nostalgia 88 paints

@mortisveritas 3 года назад

That bright goblin green on "A" tips it into a winner, even if "B" is better overall ^^

@prophaniti1 3 года назад

The round bottles were the originals going right back to the citadel colour set that I started with in 89.

@Myke... 3 года назад

I remember those paints, like humbrol paints before they arrived in NZ used to put ballbearings in to help mix paint. hated stirring the large lumps.

@MicheleApicella123 3 года назад

The old exagonal pots were eternal, all my exagonals still works

@snakemont 3 года назад

4:34 still have them....30cm away from my knee....but partially dried out. I painted my first Warhammer Darkelves Army with them in 2008.

@CATAHA986 3 года назад

They are still alive, that fact is already amasing!

@giorgosoprano7723 3 года назад

I'm in love with that samurai hoodie.

@jackmendoza5604 3 года назад

Fairly new to the hobby myself. I paint once a week with my friend and we've been doing this for just under a year now. I had bought the Reaper bones paint sets a few years back and those are the paints that we have been using. We are both broke college students, so this is what works for us to have a nice night of painting minis.

@sanguisdominus 3 года назад

If you want the old GW paints, look up Coat D'Arms paints - they're the same thing. Coat D'arms used to make those old GW ones.

@davidpepin3017 2 года назад

I'm used to watching your videos and painting. I've been painting almost every day for the last month now (should finish today!) At least 3/4 of my paint bottles are these old citadel ones hehe Just need to clean up the cover to keep them air tight. Also, I dont have any problem with the paint separating and I sometimes let them sit overnight in my armypainter wet palette. Thank you for the video!

@finkmonkeyful 3 года назад

Interesting video. Well done.

@Warghoul 3 года назад

I have all of those old paints, and they still work

@Trazynn 3 года назад

Warlock purple was such an amazing paint. Such a deep and rich purple.

@leedobson 3 года назад

I have some of these paints that are 30 years old, still perfect

@90brooksy 3 года назад

This is brilliant to prove that paint grades and technologies don't make you a better or worse painter, but they do have a huge impact on the ease of painting and processes needed. Thanks for this one Emil. Great video :D :D :D

@90brooksy 3 года назад

I also started in the 90's with the hard clear plastic Citadel paint pots. Great range, but they always, ALWAYS dried up within 2 years.

@celticwanderer89 Год назад

I still have quite a few of the hexagons from the early 90s when I first started too..some favourites I have are: Lich Purple, Bleached Bone, Bestial Brown, Orc Flesh, Vomit Brown, and Blood Angels Red! Still giving me some smooth painting, however I have noticed that a lot of the bright pigments (Sunburst Yellow and Space Marine Blue to name a couple) have definitely got separation issues!

@superspecky4eyes 3 года назад

Man, I remember those little pots well.

@anotherzingbo 3 года назад

The ones in the round pots were the ones I used in the late '80s and early '90s during my first time with the hobby. Most of them survived the long hiatus until I returned to miniature gaming a couple of years ago, but a few favourites, including Goblin Green and Tin Bitz, didn't survive. :-( The main things I remember about painting back then are that I rarely thinned my paints and that coverage was generally awful! If you think the coverage of yellow paints today is bad then you wouldn't believe how bad they were back then!

@richardruddy6341 3 года назад

I found the same. My metals and white didn't survive the 30 year break either and I was also an Ork player.

@Grendelnz 3 года назад

To be fair, tin bitz did not survive more than a few months at the best of times.

@RagDollRat 3 года назад

the company that made the round pot paints still exists btw www.blackhat.co.uk/

@Grendelnz 3 года назад

@@RagDollRat thats cool, thanks for the link.

@anotherzingbo 3 года назад

@@RagDollRat is heard about them due to Midwinter Minis! However their Coat d'Arms paints seen to be based off the 2nd generation Citadel paint range, rather than the first generation that I remember. There is however a company called Warcolours whose Nostalgia paints are apparently a recreation of that first range, though they currently sell only the paints from its first4 paint sets, I think.

@andygourlay8787 3 года назад

Great video man, really enjoying your content. I've only returned to the hobby relatively recently (just under two years). Back in the day (early-mid 90s) I used to use my dad's old air-fix style enamel paints - I remember being horrified at how bad my minis looked compared to my friends who were using citadel... in hindsight, maybe that was simply because they were better painters than me.

@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t 3 года назад

Have to say, my favourite was clearly the litle tease of what looks like the genuine, old school Ruglud's Armoured Orcs. Especially the musician with the xylobone, when men were men, orcs were orcs and bases were edged with Goblin Green.

@THOMSY01 3 года назад

I am still using the old paints (20 years old). And only the other week I had Skull White unopened. Opened it, and it is perfect. I did have a few that had totaly dired up. A couple are thick but still good once you add some water. Most seem to be no change.

@matiasfrosterus447 3 года назад

If you are wondering whether your experience with the paints was due to them being so old or if the recipe itself is to blame, you could test Coat'd'Arms which are made in the same factory using the same recipes as the original Citadel paints (the hexagonal bottles that Mike McVey designed the colours for - the original round bottles also came from the same factory but the colours were different). I still use a lot of the old hexagonal bottles and haven't had the troubles you had but mine have been in constant use for almost 30 years now...

@JakeStaines 3 года назад

I started with the round pots. From what I understood the hexagonal ones were actually the first Citadel paints, the previous round pots were just rebadged paints an industrial paint manufacturer made on contract to GW. I remember them telling us in White Dwarf when the hexagonal bottles with the soft rubberised lids (like the ones in this video) were released that it was the same paint in better bottles, but even as a fifteen or sixteen year old at the time it was pretty clearly not the same stuff. We all assumed they made the jump to the hex bottles not so much because they were improving the paint but because they wanted a bigger cut of the profits! The hard-plastic bottles if anything marked another downgrade in paint quality, for the most part - not to mention smaller quantities and as mentioned, drying out quickly. I think modern Citadel paints have definitely raised the bar in several ways, they're unquestionably better than any of the three or four generations of hexagonal pots, but probably not better per se than that first generation of bought-in round-pot paints; just different. I think I still prefer Vallejo on the whole, though.

@alihaggis78 3 года назад

Back in the day I remember that very few folk liked the hexagonal paints. They dried out quickly and separated. There was much speculation that it was simply a new way for GW to sell more. We all lamented the loss of the round pots.

@tristanellis-mascoll1171 3 года назад

Oh paints of the first generation (the round ones), well they were out of stock before I came into contact with them. But the second generation (hexagonal pots with white top) are pretty durable compared to others citadel made since then. There is a small trick to keep them in better shape for longer period of time: Scratch out the ring of dried colour from the lid! Then it closes better and airtight again (also is easier to open). The colours that seperate are probably thinned to make them useable after mistreated storage (like without removing the dried colour for a long period of time) Since I use my second generation ones even today, and they do not seperate on my wet palette, except those that I thinned (or rescued). The set you showed in the video was the fourth generation of pots, where you could open the lid without removing it. The third had to be removed. To prevent those from drying out you need to put sealing ring into the lid to make it close airtight. (I got to understand this 20 years after wasting my 3rd edition paint set, the big one) Sadly you had none of the skull white and chaos black in mint condition of that time. Especially the white was the most covering white I had ever had. (one layer and it even coverd over black!)