Are Older Berettas Better? 

Spot on 👌that's why I shoot an old mk 38 mirocu indistructable 👍

Spot on, unfortunately over unders are quite expensive to make, so you can really see and feel the difference between 70/80s era to todays offerings, as sporting took off demand grew they all cut corners and did what they could to save build time/costs. New guns besides top end hand built units are cold and no passion, i will take a 70/80s gun anyday of week over new, compare a bc miroku to a new miroku it is night and day

I disagree with the comparison, in terms of clay shooting, which demands a high level of shells, therefore stress on the action. Old cars are lovely to look at and drive....for shortish distances, on a sunny Sunday. But, for day to day, hard use, a modern car is what we all use, with far more confidence. Why is the comparison not quite right? Well, because a 30 year old Beretta, as an item, is way more durable than any car built at that time. Just my opinion.

I have a s57e, but I'm having a lot of trouble finding parts for it. I was told that model 680 parts would work. Could you help me?

I have them both 🐎

Thats exactly what henry Ford said when his son wanted to mechanise large amounts of tasks in his car factories. "The machines never need to take a break, never get tired, never go sick and they'll never buy a car either". As horrible as he was, on this occassion he was right.

@Rabbi Shekelberg He was a thug, and a murderer... look in history . Fuck Ford & Henry

But are older wives better?

True,I`ve got a 686E and I don`t like the machined`clay`decoration much at all,workhorse of a gun though.

This is the exact comparison I’m debating on purchasing.

Which one do you think better

Quite rare as well!

@@tgsoutdoors how rare if you dont mind me asking please.

Almost new to me.

It’s spelt Miroku

OK if you like a gas pipe screwed to an old chair leg

And mim'ed parts too (metal injection moulded).

I’d be inclined to disagree with this. Newer 92 series like the 92a1, M9a1, and M9a3 are superb quality with a tighter fit and finish than the older milspec 92s that could be described as loose/sloppy in my opinion. Oh and the plastic guide rod is an upgrade over the old metal ones they replaced.

One word should end this argument. Non-adjustable and pitiful sights. Okay five words but you get the point. The old ones are certainly worth every penny they sell for however and are way greater value, but simply not ultimately worth as much as newer guns. Also remember when it comes to old guns all the lemons have typically been sorted or tossed in a garage to rust away already whereas the newer guns haven’t all had a chance to be done with their lemons.

John-Paul Silke I’d have to disagree again. 92a1 has dove tailed front and rear sights to be able to switch to an after market sight set. I put a Dawson precision front sight on mine and just blacked out the rear. Wilson makes awesome rear sights in various heights to change the point of impact.

Dad and Daughter’s Adventures maybe I’ve been looking at too many Italian police turn ins.

We may do a Part 2...

We are waiting for part 2

I dont think it is a step backwards in quality, more of a step sideways.

@@tgsoutdoors I think you are correct in saying that. I love the SP mostly because it fits me way better than the old Beretta ever did. Not only that the SP hardly recoils compared to my last shot gun.

When i have both to hand - not a problem

I've had both, the 75 was a d still is a cracking rifle silky smooth and deadly accurate. I gave it to my son when he started job as a keeper as he didn't have the money to buy one. In retrospect I should have bought him the 85 I have now as he doesn't look after anything, I couldn't bear to even look at my 75 now but if he cant kill it no one can. I will bet hes put 2k plus rounds thru it never missed a beat in extreme weather. I like my 85 set trigger is ace now I've got used to it, cant fault either of them both in 243 cal.

@@tgsoutdoors Can't wait!

@@peterbalac1915 Thanks! I'm on a market for used one so I wanted to know what was the difference apart from magazine catch. Especially material and quality-wise.

@@DrBreezeAir I've got a stainless, laminate stock heavy barrel 85 to be fair I haven't used it as much as the 75. The 75 was a deluxe mod personally in my opinion the build edge's the 85 if I could have found a new 75 at the time I would have been just as happy even tho it never had a detachable mag or set trigger. I've read some people had trouble with the 85 jaming cycling bullets but mine has been faultless! Good luck hope its been a little help regards Pete.

I can answer this at least for the US market... Browning will sell to any dealer at just about any volume. Plus you can get them at a Distributor if you can't order less than a handful of guns per year. Beretta recently (5-10 years ago?) changed to favor big box stores & high volume dealers. They axed their local reps and focused on much larger territories so you probably don't even know your reps name. Their lowest tier became around 10 times what Browning is, and if you truly want to make money and get extra discounts you need to multiply that by another 2 to 4 times. You can't buy anything but the lower end Beretta's from a distributor. If you want anything that isn't a 686 grade 1, you can't get it from a distributor. This caused a massive favoritism toward Browning & Benelli in the US market. That's not to say there are different reasons elsewhere in the world. However, any of the spoken of companies make fantastic firearms though.

@@Morroes100 Morroes, thanks for the reply and insider explanation - really very interesting, makes sense and this can be related to other manufacturers like Apple, Samsung and DJI etc. in different industries I guess, where they start up with local dealers working really hard to promote the products in their own small individual capacities, only to be dropped when the 'big players' show an interest and take over the majority of that countries distribution completely? 😒👍✔ - cruel and disrespectful to the initial independant pioneer distributors, but all to common these days I'm afraid!

recently 2 of my club mates bought brownings and they have both had problems one had the gun changed. make of that what you will

Think of it as an investment?

Good guns

@@tgsoutdoors selling value on them second hand

£550-£1000

You have two options if you want a truly hand engraved beretta First is to buy an SO series gun, they start used at £3000. Second - buy a plain action 680 series (686 onyx or 682) and send it away for annealing, engraving and hardening. Probably be in for £4-10k by the time you are finished. However, the EELL is hand finished engraving, so is a good compromise.

will it make shoot better? better spending your money getting fitted to you