These strings have a very pleasing sound - mid-focused, as you say, but very alive sounding and clear. If they ever come down to a price that a mortal can afford, I will certainly try some.
I used the old Hellborg DR strings. They were… as described? Lots of fundamental, subtle overtones. The thicc [what i called “single-ply”] outer wrap tore me up but it wasn’t terrible. These seem like they’re lower tension than those were, so I’m piqued. This is like a mix of those DRs and some of my favorite TI strings. SOLD!
This sounds similar to the problems Kalium Strings sought to resolve. And they did so amazingly. Especially noticeable if you get particularly large strings, as the size increase exponentially increases the dullness and stiffness problems. Stiffness also causes strings to be knocked out of tune easier, so a more flexible string will be more stable as it gets back in place faster.
It doesn't appear these are sold in the US yet, but I'm definitely going to look into them as soon as they're available. I like low tension strings and am okay with playing lightly.
I used the DR Hellborg strings about 12 years ago and loved the tone. Really excited about these Dogal ones with similar tonal goals, that are also low tension. Would be interested in how they sound/feel for two handed tapping.
@Gregor, have you had a chance to try a fivestring set as well? I’m curious if the B string can hold up to the rest of the set. That’s make or break for me.
you described how the strings are constructed very well. the price is silly, but these are designed for perfect harmonics and that makes them perfect in a studio scenario, and just like studio speakers and audio processing equipment, the price reflects that extreme precision in the engineering of the product necessary for that controlled environment.
Pitch of strings isn't exactly the same as pitch of harmonics because of ftret placement. Fret placement is kind of compromise between pitch and simplicity of fret placement and shape.
That's true when playing double stops and chords but the assertion is that the harmonic series on each individual note is closer to the theoretical 'correct' value, so the tone of those single notes is going to be different with these strings and those double stops and chords could come through more clearly because each note rings clearer. I placed the inverted commas there because a synthesiser is probably the only instrument capable of generating that sort of sound and they are designed to allow you to modulate that waveform into something more musical and the relationship between harmonics and the fundamental of the note is a significant part of what gives each instrument its character.
@@unduloid it is mentioned in the video that those strings overcomes the problem of difference between pitch of harmonics and fretted notes that exist on guitars. As I know, the only way to overcome this issue is to make microtonal or fretless guitar.
@@aleksandarpopovic369 Yeah, that's probably bullshit. I don't think you can compensate for that (except for using different tuning system like just intonation or 31EDO). The only thing that comes to mind is trying to change the diameter (or the shape) of the string in certain places, which would fuck up the tuning of everything else, and add more inharmonics. Also it would be ridiculously hard to make and very impractical. What I think they're actually doing is using some kind of thinner or more flexible core, so the string can vibrate almost like an ideal string would, while having the same or similar density like normal bass string. That means frequencies of the harmonics should be closer to integer multiples of the fundamental frequency and not to 12EDO notes.
I just put the roundwounds on my favorite bass. I'm thrilled. Chords are more in tune. Stronger fundamental. Easier to tune. Easier to hit harmonics. Better tracking for pitch and synth effects. And the tension feels like a short scale bass. Highly recommended
Ein wirklich schöner Sandberg Bass. Das ist eine kleine Firma die wirklich sehr viel liebe und Leidenschaft in ihrer Bässe steckt. Ich arbeite in einem Musikhaus und wir haben Anfang des Jahres einige bekommen. Sie kosten zwar nicht gerade wenig, aber Qualität kostet. Tolle Arbeit, weiter so! Musikalische Grüße aus Dresden🎸✌🏻
on their site its 103 euro for a 5 string set '-', i already find DR pretty expensive as about 50 euro ( and my acidic hand kill string in 1 month) so they better be lasting 6 month at least.
love jonas, “its the pits” is one of the mist impressive slap lines ive ever heard do they make a shortscale version? i mostly play shortscales and would like to buy some
I’ve got them installed on one of my basses. Different sound. But an interesting one. I really like them. They work especially well with effects. But I’m disappointed DR no longer makes them and they’ve since gone over to an orchestral string maker Dogal. The new string maker has basically tripled their former price. Which is why I’ll probably stop using them once I exhaust my stockpile of DR Hellborg s.
I think that the DR and Dogal have a different concept, the Doga’s core is a multi wire one (as cello or violin) and not a round or an exagonal one. About price if their life is 3 times longer than the DR one the price could be the same.
Just saw this and I, too, would like to know how the strings are holding up. Btw, while they're pricy, the 4 string set is no more expensive than Tomastik Jazz Flats.
So Flatwound enthusiast need to know!!! How are the Hellborgs holding up after a year plus. Do they last, what’s their mellowed tone and does it still have perfect pitch after dying? What’s German for please?
I get the part about the 12th fret harmonics and open strings being out of tune. And lower tension means we can loosen the truss rod. I checked the price and it’s much less than the set of 4ths tuned strings I bought for my NS cello.
They are 80 bucks pre shipping!. Dogal can pound sand. Most people I know are struggling to make ends meet the last thing I'm going to do is spend that kind of money on a set of strings especially when I can get really good set of strings from DR or dunlop for around 20 bucks shipped.
They sound a little noisy and sloppy and I imagine it’s due to the extra wind gap and the super light tension. They’re very vocal, though. How much part the pickups and mix have to do with it is the question. I’d like to see the same lick on the same bass with two different strings.
Ahh, I've noticed the out of tune harmonics! It's the reason I don't like new roundwounds normally, because I hear the slightly out of tune shimmer, particularly on the lower strings. If this seems to fix that then I'm all for it.
I wonder if these would help with the inherent intonation problems on the B string of short-scale 5-strings like the Ibanez EHB1505SMS, or the E string on a Hofner violin bass?
Would these work well on a fretless? I’m worried that perhaps the main point of these (aside from intonation) is to have a better bending ability, so I feel like some of it’s usefulness may be lost on a fretless. Also I wish they made a 4 string set that started at B, I know it’s not standard, but I hate wasting a string with sets this expensive.
A little over $50 USD? I've played some Pyramid gold strings that are even more, and I don't think they sound as good as these do in this video. Definitely wanting to try some!
I hope that this is the future of the strings. Perfect pitch and better intonation are selling point of this strings they need to advertize it this way more. I thing their other strings are better at intonation but barely mentioned on site or in demos. We need more demos of this strings. :)
They do sound completely different, I just can't put my finger on what it is. Hey isn't Frank Itt the guy who said in an interview "I have an intellect. But I'm not governed by it"...? My most favorite quote ever...!
Mr Hunter…you do things- So Flatwound enthusiast need to know!!! How are the Hellborgs holding up after a year plus. Do they last, what’s their mellowed tone and does it still have perfect pitch after dying?
That price isn't too high to at least try out. My question is how difficult will it be to re-acclimate to regular strings if and when I decide to switch back. Does playing on these cause you to lose enough hand strength that you have to rebuild that strength in order to effectively play regular strings again? For someone already fighting off chronic elbow tendonopathy, that kind of loss and attempt to rebuild would be begging for an exacerbation of the condition, if not for the development of new physical trauma.
The question is how do they sound after a year? it takes months before bass strings become useable and lose that horrible metallic high end sheen and start to sound bassy and thumpy :p
If you don't want the sound of metal... why are you using metal? It sounds like these strings might be exactly what you are looking for: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SG7xageOROI.html They are Galli flatwounds with a synthetic core, rather than metal. Not my sound at all, but not "metallic" at all, so you may dig them.
Yeah, perfect pitch is a curse, sinse it shifts with age and one begins to mistake Eb for E. It goes down and elder people with perfect pitch experience pitch hell
I'm sure they are nice but 80 bucks for strings ( dam!!!!!😬) they better come with a reacharound hand job ! Cause that is getting screwed from behind with no lube.
@@GCKelloch Low F# = 185.00 Hz You know like tune your lowest string to a fifth of B ?? You obviously have never tried the Devil Bass tuning then ;-) ?
@@hunter5028 The Open A on a bass is 440 The Open E on a bass is 329.63 The Open B on a Bass is 246.94 So .... The Open F# on a Bass is 185.00 (The low A on the F# string is 220 off course) OK so a fifth lower than the B string, I never even tried to figure out the actual frequency, I just intonated my TRBII so I could play a fifth lower than the B string or what I called low F#. People always tune 6 strings to high C, but it is a Bass Guitar , the lowest open string I could intonate was a low Fifth of the B string. (After that the pickup magnetism was distorting the string and it would not hold a note) Which is 185 Hz. The only strings I could find capable were SR2000 strings, which have no silk winding on the back ball, allowing for perfect intonation on the back saddle, the Dogal strings sound great and I was wondering if they would tune down to a Fifth lower than B , my favourite tuning, a Tuning that is used by the first seat in the Auckland Philharmonic Orchestra, so he can reset key when the second seat 5 string player gets it wrong ;-) If you haven't tried it, I recommend it, having a low A for instance gives you a level of freedom no other tuning will ever give you. You can reset key very easily, and make any guitarist sound out of key if you really want to, Hence "Devil Bass"
@@bloodyorphan The low B on a typical electric bass guitar is 30.87Hz, an F# below that would be 23.12Hz. You have the octaves mixed up or shifted in your mind. 185 Hz is an F# from the third octave. The open low F# on an extended range electric bass guitar is in the zero octave, which is 23.12Hz.
@@hunter5028 You build guitars for a living ??? If you are talking about filter capacitors I'll give it to ya, but no bud, you tune the A string on a bass to 440Hz just like a guitar.
As a devout Irish roman Catholic bassist I would have serious guilt burdened issues with buying these lovely strings, I wonder if they could rename them as heavenborg or at least purgatoryborg , other than that I'll just have to steep them in holy water and Dettol,
We need affordable and good quality bass strings, with all these years and the technology we have now u think things will get a bit cheaper but is the opposite, managed to squeeze more money from us 🤦♀️😖
In my opinion it doesn't really matter if the bass is slightly out of tune. At least It's far less prominent compared to an out of tune guitar. The human ear is a lot more tolerant with low tones.
@Funky Monk I thought the word "slightly" would suggest that I was not talking about a completely out of tune bass. The video was talking about how strings running over a nut or bridge would change in tone because of the bend. This might be true in theory but in reality almost no one cares. It hardly matters how hard you hold a bass string down. The tone is always almost the same, especially compared to a guitar. With a much thinner guitar string every over fretting (is that even a word) detunes the tone. Usually it's also easier to spot out of tune tones when they ring together in a chord compared to single note lines. Nevertheless I think we can both agree on that it is generally advisable to tune your instrument before playing.
And yet at 3:13 he mentions how not many people have perfect pitch, and that it may be a blessing or a curse. That's what was I responding to. So take your head and shove it straight into your asshole, you arrogant cunt.
The fact they require a softer touch negates any value they would have for most players because less tension means it's easier to bend them out of tune.
perfect pitch? come on, stop with the clickbait titles they might be better than the most but they are NOT perfect pitch... if your bass holds tuning with these strings as opposed to some other, that's just the difference between good and bad strings and I know what I'm talking about, I had my bass hold a tuning with a wide range of temperatures and sudden changes, and I've had it detune with "fender" strings while sitting in the same room for a few days... SNAKE OIL
