Are Revolvers Dead with Navy SEALs "Coch" and Dorr 

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I’m a revolver fan. Revolvers have a character that most autos just don’t have. And more fun to shoot. Thanks for an informative and informative prospective.

I'm always amazed at how much gear Coch still has from his time as a SEAL, especially stuff from early in his career. It's really neat to see how gear has evolved throughout the years.

Paul Harrell (and others) have done some testing with .357 magnum vs. 9MM in different barrel lengths. .357 no matter how you look at it is more powerful than 9MM. In fact, Jeff Cooper designed the 10 MM to be comparable to .357 Magnum. Enjoy your content. I'm a retired LEO. I carried a J Frame in my support side front pocket as a back up when I was working. One reason was if my strong hand was disabled or occupied I could draw it, and another was if I was fighting for my primary pistol I could use it to stop the assailants attempt to disarm me.

Coch and Dorr make the absolutely best YT tactical channel team. Operational experience from across 4 decades between them both. I'm a major now so my team time is behind me. Staff dudes primary weapons are Microsoft outlook and PowerPoint, but it's so good to reminisce on the good old days and hear their stories.

It does my heart good to see someone like Coch carry an S&W 351C. It's my favorite quick and easy pocket gun when going for a run or quick errand. A lot of people scoff at the .22 Magnum round, but I strongly doubt that any of those people have ever been shot by one.

I appreciate the honest discussion of the revolver. While I have .357sig, .40, 9mm and .380 semi autos, half of my handguns (and all of my carry guns) are revolvers. I appreciate the simplicity, the virtual reliability, the weight and the knowledge that 5, 6 or 7 cartridges should really be enough.

Coch, Dorr... I was in BUD/S in late 1970, and got to ST1 in mid-Feb 1971. We'd used COLT 1911ACP and S&W 9mm handguns in BUD/S. But when I got to ST1, I was given a choice of semi-auto pistols and I chose the 1911 because of my familiarity with the weapon. I was issued a revolver as well, and there was only the one choice at that point; it was the S&W K-38 Combat Masterpiece . The model I was handed was stainless, and had a cold weather warfare trigger guard that could be pivoted forward, under the barrel and out of the way for when using the weapon while wearing bulky cold weather gloves or mittens (the kind with the trigger finger separate from the rest of the fingers). The K-38 issue was .38 only... not yet the later-issue .38/.357, and I never ended up using it anywhere but on the range. At that point in time we weren't carrying our own weapons when we attended training hosted by sister service branches at distant locations, like when we attended WINTER MOVEMENT TRAINING at the US Army's Fort Greely, Alaska. We went there to engage in training evolutions involved basic mountaineering/skiing training in the Black Rapids, 'Galloping Glacier' training grounds. When required, we were issued standard M16 service rifles by the Army. In fact that only happened a couple of times. Most of our time at that training location involved training in navigating/traversing through, and surviving for extended periods in a winter/snow environment. You'll find that weapon, although without the pivoting trigger guard, listed (with illustration) on page XII-7 of the original U.S. NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE TRAINING HANDBOOK NAVEDTRA 38013 which was first issued in 1974 (over 3 years after I'd gotten to ST1). Up until that time we apparently didn't NEED an official training manuals! That may or may not have been linked to the level of secrecy about the unit during the last years of the Vietnam conflict. The public was aware of the UDTs, but even the existence of the SEAL Teams was known to relatively few at that point in time; and we certainly didn't advertise our unit to anyone off-base. There were even men serving in the Navy who were aware of UDTs, but who weren't aware of the SEAL Teams (1&2) until NSW recruiters showed up on their ship or duty station to present a movie (Men With Green Faces) and conduct a Physical Screen Test for potential enrollees.

The expression on the younger guys face regarding the 686 with speedloaders....priceless

Rumor has it that when @Dorr stares off blankly into the distance, he is scanning the horizon for war.

My grandfather after Vietnam in the early ‘70s after leaving SF went to LAPD and carried a S&W Model 15 up until the early ‘90s then a Beretta 92FS up until the mid 90s and then after the famous ‘97 Hollywood shootout, a S&W 4506 .45. He was a big fan of the S&W 3rd gens.

Anytime I start thinking about something Coch posts a video related to it. I spent hours yesterday researching snub nose revolvers (and the 9mm LCR in particular) and then this popped up. Thank you and keep up the good work.

Really liking these videos. Thanks for what ya'll do.

The Tyler T-grip is a great revolver grip enhancement. I'm surprised it isn't more popular. You guys rock. 👍

Hell yeah brother. Never giving up my model 29. Awesome video. Thanks Dorr & Coch!

Very nice review of the guns that are getting less attention nowadays. These videos by veteran warriors are very informative. I have one revolver in my collection. It's S&W 686+ and it has a phenomenal trigger. Great to shoot and can be used for home defense instead of my semiautomatic.

Just got my first center fire revolver the other day after shooting for a little over 50 years and I'm hooked by the simplicity and reliability. What you said about guns (all equipment ) being "tools", I first witnessed this perspective at the SIG Academy during a shotgun (pistol secondary) instructor class about 10 years ago where there was a SF guy in addition to all the Cops and me the ex-Navy CIV. The SF guy shot range guns while I and most of the Cops used our own guns. I got to know him a little and realized he only cared just about the weapons working when needed and almost nothing about how much glitter they had. While I still appreciate a nice looking gun, It changed my perspective.

Back in the day when I was a State Trooper for Maryland I was sent to the US Secret Service Academy for an intense two weeks course of Firearms Instructor training. Soon after graduation MSP transitioned from Colt O.P. 6” revolvers shooting 158 grain ball ammunition to S&W Mdl 13 .357 magnum 4” revolvers shooting the controlled expansion 115 grain Treasury round. I had a couple of my Troopers that had a problem with qualifying with the new revolvers. I purchased a S&W Mdl 18 with 4” barrel and two speed loaders. The Mdl 18 is chambered in .22 long rifle. I had my problem children shoot our qualifying course several times with the model 18. Once they became proficient with the model 18 I would switch guns and make them shoot the course at least three times to qualify. My plan worked and I’ve been plinking with that model 18 for the last 40+ years. My point is anticipating a shot is one of the worst habits a shooter can have.

Long live wheel guns

The older I get the more I like revolvers

The small 5 shot .38s are perfect for pocket carry in a pocket holster. Practice with a steel J frame (Mod. 640 or 60) & carry aluminum or polymer (642, 442, LCR). The aluminum in particular aren’t fun to shoot but are easy to carry. The steel frame are easy to shoot but you’ll feel the heavier weight if carried. P.S. I’m a CCWSAFE member. I did the math. It’s the best deal for me.

I love my J frames. Carried a model 15 on duty in LA County and a model 49 as my secondary and off duty weapon.

I still carry a Smith 340 PD in Scandium revolver and love it. Light, powerful and reliable. Three things that never become obsolete.

Great video guys.

Thanks for sharing a great video. Still have my first issued Model 10. You guys have a great channel.

Sorry but the soldier with the mask doesn’t carry a 686 but a 66 Combat Magnum

Revolvers will always be what comes to mind first when I hear the word gun. Learned to shoot on a S&W Model 15. I carried a 4" 686 stainless for years, great gun and the 125gr semi-jacketed hp is a fantastic way to make bad guys stop. The 180gr hard cast is good on animals too. Versatility. The Taurus 85 was the only Taurus I ever trusted. Cool review. (Your carry revolver with the secret grip compartment, DUDE!!!

My fav YT duo. Love how they bounce off each other!

Yup.. very very good historical informative video Guys ..even for people that are convinced that the seal teams had 1911 only at the beginning ... and very very good strong real point of view .. Liked it .. Hi from Italy

Words of wisdom, especially at the end! Great content!

I carried a Ruger SP101 .357 magnum for trail defense in bear country for several years. For CCW I personally carry a 13 shot 15oz fully loaded Ruger LCP max that comes with great factory night sights. You should try one out if you can get them in California @Coch, I think you'd be very pleased with it. I can definitely see how a stainless steel .357 magnum revolver would be great for frog menz.

Great video, guys! ☺️

Good info and fun to watch!

Outstanding Content on Revolvers Guys. Revolvers will be around for another 100 years and right now there hotter than ever in gun sales. Thanks for doing that. 👊👍👍

I started on a wheelgun in the AF then in LE. Even after going to pistols, I continued to carry a revolver as a bug. As I prepare to retire after 30 years, I’m still relying on a revolver. It’s cool to see that it wasn’t only pilots and security police that carried revolvers. I hadn’t heard that SEALS used revolvers. The 686 wasn’t introduced until around 1980, so it wouldn’t have been the gun issued in the origins of the SEAL Teams. The photo shown at 6:04 is not a 686. It has a smaller under lug. It could have been a model 66 which came out in about 1970. Prior to 1970, it would have been the model 19 or the larger model 27.

What was the pocket holster for S&W 351c with the bullet carrier? That was very practical!

Great video. I’m new to the channel and began shooting last week. Subscribed!

My first EDC was a Taurus Model 85. All the micro 9s make it hard to justify these days, though. I do carry a snubnose in a jacket pocket on occasion bc a good hammerless can cycle while being fired in a pocket. But revolvers for me are to use for hunting or wild animal defense. Five powerful cartridges hanging on your hip or chest is really nice.

Nice hearing from you what I practice, some of the same tools too. Thank you!

I’ve carried an LCR in .38 as a backup and off duty for 13 years. Off duty, I pretty much exclusively carry in a pocket holster, with a couple speed strips. I even carry a micro 9 in a pocket holster and it works great. Pocket carry is the sh!t. Always comfortable, always there, never have to worry about your shirt riding up and accidentally exposing your gun or retaining it during open hand techniques. It also means I’m armed from the moment I put on my pants, even just doing chores around the property. Only compromise, really, is draw speed, but you factor that into your decisions and accept it. Glad to see Coch repping revolvers and pocket carry. ❤

Really awesome video guys. My mother has wanted to get a firearm and she is adamant that she gets a revolver. Going to show her this video and great information.

The Air Force was using Revolvers all through the 80's. The Marine Corps still had 38 revolvers at the embassy's in the 90's. The small revolver is a great backup gun to have on you. Once again the fastest reload is drawing another gun. I've seen them in handcuff case. The jam that kills the revolver is a raised primer. I had that happen to me once. Also the S&W revolvers you can get the smoothest trigger than any pistol. Also if you want a hand cannon or mounting a scope for hunting the revolver is the way to go. Great Video!!!

I still have love for revolvers. Have a handful of ‘em. Sometimes I like to carry the Colt King Cobra with the 3 inch barrel.

You guys are great I very much look forward to your videos.

Good job as always

Great video,thx, thx for your service. Semper Fi.

I have been shooting Revolvers over 50 Years, Never shot a semi-auto Until I joined the Marines in 1966. After that I bought a Model 10 Smith , Then started to get a lot of Smith and Wesson Models 586 ,686 ,and a model19, and then some model 36"s. I did not get into Semi-autos untill the Mid Eightys..Mostly 9mm and 45 ACP..1911 etc..To this day my most Carried gun is a snub nose in 38spl..On colder days I carry a full size 1911 and a Smith 5906 Gen Three....Great Video..Semper Fi

Thanks! Excellent review of revolvers, ive subscribed.. Also, the 4-on-the-floor grip was a pleasant surprise.

Great fun, love my revolvers! I really enjoy your videos!

Really enjoyed watching this video. I was aware SEALs had used revolvers but had never seen a tactical holster for one. Liked seeing the Tyler grip adapters and and the Hip Grips. Grew up reading and hearing about them all the time in the 80s and early 90s but don't hear much about them now.

Great video! Moonclips to fire acp is not a great idea in my experience. I had trouble keeping them from bending or warping when removing the spent case and new replacements are not cheap. Yes, I bought a tool to unload them and it helped a little. Loading a bent clip into a revolver increases the likely hood the pistol will will not cycle or fire properly is my experience.Thanks for sharing guys. I enjoyed this.

Love me my wheel guns (just like I love my lever guns and manual transmissions). They might not be first choice go to, but they’re still tools that can do the job if that’s what you got when it’s needed. I love that tactical 686 holster and wish I could get one for my TRR8 (and that they made real speed loaders to go with it).

Wow, that's surprisingly cool about the 686. Had no idea about it's military "lore" but I wanted one for a while in 7". Mostly from a video game that died called Fallen Earth. There was a faction called 'The Travelers' and they wore black trench coats, wide brimmed black hats, and rocked twin 686s. It looked so cool seeing them run and gun around the map.

Coch reminiscing about 686 while Door laughs lol

nice video guys !!!

I'm curious what the grips on the pitbull are? I had just picked mine up from the gun store came home turned on RU-vid and there's Coch with one in his hand. Made my day to know he also has excellent taste.

Great video! Made me reconsider getting the LCR in 9mm. A S&W 351C would be cool too.

Thanks for another video...wonder if they would make a "come back" if they could shoot capacitors type tazer charges. That would be interesting if physically possible.

Great again. Thank you Coch. Can you give us more informations on this grips with extra rounds in it? Thx and be safe

Great vid. I've been thinking about getting one, but currently my low-pro gun of choice is a P-32.

In 1977-81, I got to know a Navy LT/LCDR who was a SEAL during the Vietnam War. He said his primary mission was intelligence gathering north of the DMZ. His weapons were for self-defense only-- thus the reliable revolver. Check out the film "BAT 21" for other SEAL activities. The use of the SEALS was evolving in the 1960's and 1970's.

In the seal teams the armory had a few revolvers that no one used, it was for diving. Good video

Badass video boys!

I really enjoy the Coch and Dorr videos. this subject was a nice surprise

Those Ruger LCRs have a great trigger pull.

Don't forget, the revolver can shoot from inside a jacket, bag or backpack. They can be fired in direct contact. They can't be limp wristed, can fire from any angle, easy manual of arms under stress or with a less experienced shooter. I carry 2 6 shot snubs, same model. 3in on hip, 2in cross draw (can be drawn by support hand). Speedloaders are the same, extra speed strips (using NeoMag add on). I do not feel under gunned. If needed, I add one on the ankle. I think revolvers are still a viable option for concealed carry, extreme close quarters (inside a car), deep cover (when high firepower is needed) and for shield work... Not so much for duty or combat. Thanks for the video.

1:09 lol Three Amigos joke sooo good

One can’t mention revolvers with father jerry….the man makes em go just as fast as autos ands amazing…I’ve been a m29 .44 fan my whole life and was my first pistol…nickel 8 3/8s still stays under bed..

You two together are just awsome!

1st comment…woohoo 🙌🏻. If hiking/camping outdoors always have either a 6” or 3” .357 w/ 125 SJHPs for almost all size critters. Love you content and channel.

Having carried revolvers over rugged areas daily for a while, I will attest that they are mostly reliable though they still require operator cleaning and maintenance just like any semi despite stories to the contrary.

When I first got out the Regular Army the first time I really didn't shoot handguns very much until I got my first civilian job as an armored car guy. In my company we were armed with S&W Model 10s or 15s in .38 SPL. I knew how to shoot a revolver because my Dad owned a S&W Model 15. After 2 weeks of orientation on the job I had to qualify and I chose the Model 15. We had a police sergeant who taught us and qualified us. This guys Sgt. Kim was an amazing instructor I learned quickly how to load and fire during that 8 hour mandatory instruction. We had 60 rounds of practice then 30 rounds on qualification. Practice and qualification was an 8 inch NRA target at 25 yards with no time limit but we were encouraged to reload and fire quickly and we shot in single action to get the best accuracy and qualify. We had 15 guys in our class from Loomis Armored Car and my company Security Armored Car. Only 5 guys qualified the first time which I was one of them. The rest of the guys took at least twice to qualify which one of them was my supervisor. My supervisor asked me to stay and shoot right next to him on his 2nd qual to coach him for confidence. He finally qualified shooting even better because I had talked to him and coached him as we shot together. I got even a better score the 2nd time. Those were some of my best memories.

My father is a Vietnam vet 3rd marine division 2 tours. He carried the 1911. He told me when I was getting my first pistol to get a revolver. It could be my first and last gun.

Yes on revolvers and yes on CCW safe. good content

Great info. Enjoyed the side comedy.

Variety is the spice of life. I never got one, but growing up I always wanted a 41 mag. Probably couldn't get ammo for one now anyways. Great video, I always learn something.

I never stop loving revolvers and still own, carry and shoot many of them. Back when I started over 40 years ago you were a 1911 .45, Browning Hi-Power and or a S&W/Colt revolver guy. That still holds true today even though I later added high capacity DA/SA wonder 9s and a bit later polymer framed striker fired pistols. I still won't give any of them up as it is part of my journey and history. These days they come out with a polymer striker fired 9mm almost every week so it seems. People lose their minds over it. I'm like "meh...whatever" because of all the classics in my arsenal. These new pistols are boring and just copies of the copies to me anymore. Now a 1973 Colt Detective Special, 1977 S&W Model 49 Bodyguard, 1977 S&W Model 10-8, S&W Model 66, S&W Model 686, S&W Model 36, S&W Model 60, S&W Model 638 Air Weight Bodyguard, S&W Model 29 etc etc....those aren't "boring". Likewise for 1911 .45s, Browning Hi-Powers, Sig Sauer P-220s, P-226/Mk25s, P-228/M11 A1s, P-229s, CZ-75Bs, HK P7 PSP/ HK P7 M8/M13s etc etc.

My first handgun was a Taurus snubnose .38. I carried that thing for years. Now I carry a S&W 638 when I carry a revolver. It is a great little gun. I also own a 686+ with a 3” barrel. It is a fantastic gun.

I like a tool that runs solely off my trigger finger. Revolvers are a mechanical device that is NOT dependent on perfect, proper ammo or perfect grip. God bless John Browning and Glock, but I'm a wheelgun guy. I don't recall any deer or elk that hit the ground and then complained there wasn't enough magazine capacity in my handgun.

The point about .357 being kind of a waste out of a short barrel got me thinking about my 4” barreled .44 mag I carry for bear protection in Alaska, definitely has a fireball, makes me glad I’ve never needed to use it.

Long live the snubby! I'll never give up my S&W M&P 340...best and comfiest EDC. Get some S&W rubberized combat grips for the 340. They cover the backside of the frame so it doesn't hammer the hand on the .357 mag, and very conceal friendly.

LOVE your channel guys! I looove revolvers. The wife and I have em in .22, 22WMR, .38, and my favorite - .327 Federal Magnum. My Ruger SP101 carries 6 rounds and it's about like a 125 grain .357 load with less kick. It's become my EDC CC. The best CC gun is the one you carry! Thank you 2 for your service & these videos! WWG1WGA Doc, Hendersonville, N.C.

I carry s 229 but I always have a S&W air weight in my pocket. You can always depend on a S&W revolver. Enjoyed watching 👍👍

A good point highlighted in this video is how rare it is to be in a situation where a snub nose wouldn't save you but a high capacity 9mm with a red dot would. The whole semi automatic vs revolver debate circles around capacity and statistics yet no one ever mentions how rare it is to A.) ever need more than 5 or 6 shots and B.) the odds you wouldn't have time to reload. If you factor those two into all citizen involved shootings, you are talking about a fraction of a percent of instances where a semi auto would save you and a revolver wouldn't

Love 5 shot 442 as backup guns and for home carry. But for ccw outside my home I want at least a glock 19 size 9mm,40, 45 pistol. Preferably full size most days. 6 or even 7 rounds of double action just is too far behind the curve. A 442 airweight in my weak side pocket is an awesome backup when I feel the need.

Great vid again guys. Thanks. Ps. Did Dorr dye his beard? 😆

The smile in his face when he holster'd it 😂 plenty good memories flowing right then

Very relevant especially for close contact situations.

Advantages of a revolver: 1. Unless something catastrophic occurs, they don't jam. 2. Simple to load and unload. 3. Minimal strength required to load or unload 4. Very simple manual of arms. If I had to choose one handgun for the zombie uprising, it would be a .357 Mag revolver

Short barrels don't negate the ballistic advantage of magnums. Though the gain may be less than with longer barrels but it is still significant. There are valid reasons to favor the specials especially in the short barrel guns but lack of ballistic benefits to the magnums is not it. Recoil and blast are the relevant factors.

I knew guys in the revolver days who carried 3. Duty gun, chief special in the back pocket or ankle holster, and another one in a holster under their shirt attached to the bulletproof vest

I have several and will continue to use them

I've got a little Taurus 856 ultralight and in a sticky holster in a pocket I completely forget I've got it on me. Great little gun

I learned to shoot mainly with revolvers and go back to them from time to time to polish up my skills.

Weird. First time I tried watching there was no sound. Had to close RU-vid and reopen it to get sound.

I got the 351c a few months ago just because the price was right and it looked fun. that little gun is the easiest to carry gun I own. it's not perfect but you can 100% find a place for this on you every day when you leave the house without much if any alteration to clothes or discomfort

Great talk as always guys 👍

My first issue handgun as a police officer in the 80’s was a fixed sight 686 with a tritium insert in the front sight, loaded with 38+p.

Fav vid so far with him realizing there’s extra ammo in the grip

😊I like my Browning hi-power, but I will always keep a revolver for six sure shots. Thanks for the videos. Have a good one 👍🇦🇺