If the Extreme model had been available last year then I'd have definitely bought it along with a few SDI/HDMI converters but I'm not about to change my entire workflow now. I had hoped there might be better audio support - (mini) xlr inputs and mix minus routing being top of my wish list.
In terms of a 4 way convertor - the Decimator DMON-4S, although intended for a multiview monitor, can convert 4 x SDI into 4 x HDMI independently. We also use these for 1 x SDI into 2/3/4 x HDMI as there's a something of a lack of multi-HDMI distribution convertors from any manufacturer.
Just seems like a big spend to get four SDI's converted to HDMI. So many things that make me frustrated with the Extreme SDI model. I do love the idea of four ouputs. BUt thqanks for the lead on the convertor. I actualy saw it on sale around Christmas time or just after...
Sign me up for the parallel converter idea. A 4x4 switchable between SDI and HDMI is a killer idea. I'd buy a couple for my flight pack and more than a few for the studio.😁
I appreciate a lot the function of the 2 outputs, 1 for PGM, 1 for Multiview. I FULLY agree that 1 of the outputs should absolutely be HDMI !! (not SDI) and 1 or 2 inputs should be switchable between SDI OR HDMI. I am still waiting until this is available, before acquiring such a mixer.
Grt video thx. Agree about the mix option. I would love a hybrid model with 2 or 4 SDI, and the rest HDMI, then SDI and HDMI out. This could be if really useful if one has both HDMI and SDI cameras. Cool idea about the converters, yes.
Thanks Aaron for suggesting a multi converter - this is what i asked BMD for so long and many times. Don't understand why it's not still there - it would make so much sense in their product line.
A few months ago the extreme iso came up on special offer here at a price so good it made sense to have a second one (will have to check but guessing 500 below retail). Plan was to add 6 Sdi/HDMI converters, and 2 HDMI/Sdi outputs. Since then constellation me2 was launched and got one of those, new plan was to use the pass through on the converters to feed the me2 while recording the iso on the mini. Delighted now as this works out much more convenient and less costly, and when I don’t need to record multi tracks I have 2 separate rigs.
The rack-mounted converters would be nice, but if they just made the converters and micro converters so they could be mounted to the Universal Rack Shelf, that would be awesome. And then release an HDMI splitter in the same footprint as the converters. Like an HDMI version of the SDI Distribution product.
I agree with your comment about the need for a mixture of SDI and HDMI ports. Very strange that there are no HDMI ports, I would have thought most productions would have laptops locally connected for presentation slides, graphics, text overlays, etc.. I'm using the Television Studio HD, SDI inputs for cameras and HDMI inputs for local PCs, it would have been great to see that in the ATEM Mini form factor, with integrated encoder, multichannel recording, auto-scaling inputs, etc.
Blackmagic is clever, we got BiDir converters to use with the Mini Extreme, and now they'll be useful the other way around! Having both options for SDI first or HDMI first workflow is very cool. The "older" HDMI Extreme is still very useful for simple setups with the Studio 4K Cameras : one cable for video and CCU, easy. Once you get into longer cable length, then you get into more complex setups, and then you can chose to either invest in bidir converters or even change switcher entirely.
Yeah if the SuperSource is active on the program feed then it's recorded, but as soon as you switch away you won't have a copy of it. Kind of defeats the purpose of the ISO recording, especially since the SuperSource layout isn't recorded in the Resolve project either, so you'd have to reconstruct it manually from the actual ISO files.
Quite a comprehensive video. I didn't hear you speak on the USB port? Mind sharing if you have used it by directly plugging it into a laptop/desktop and using a software encoder like OBS?
There's no changes to the USB features on the SDI versions compared to the HDMI, so it works just fine into OBS and such. One thing to note though is that the color space is slightly different over USB and the picture ends up looking more contrasty compared to the HDMI/SDI picture. I personally don't really mind it but it bothers some people.
6:31 Decimator Design makes converters with a bunch of I/O. They are more common when you get up in the high-end broadcasts. Not as sexy looking as the Blackmagic but much more durable, flexible, and last waaaaay longer.
@@aaronpk that would be great. I do livestreaming and the latency is important, like every frame counts. The video signal will pass the switcher and introduces delays. But I didn't find any info in the spec regarding the delay. What is the best solution doing livestreaming source 260Hz > switcher in > switcher out > Monitor 260Hz. That refresh rate should be still available after mirror / switch device. Do you have any advice how to achieve this setup? Is there a pass-through mode?
I won't spend the money for the iso. Not a feature I will ever use. If I am recording it is at 6k not 1080p. So I would probably just buy a studio atem. I don't like paying for pointless features I won't use.
You mentioned how Supersorce isn't brought over into the DaVinci file, What does this end up looking like if you use it during production and bring it over to DaVinci?
Yeah, I think they missed the mark with these for the reasons you gave about the mix of input types. And why not also revamp the original HDMI versions to have dual HDMI out at the same time (for multiview and programme)? Daft.
The ATEM SDI Extreme ISO is low key the solution for about 80-90% hotel ballroom show setups. Just add a decimator MD-HX or Blackmagic Mini Converter SDI to split a program out to several screens (two mains, a DSM and the TD's monitor) and use the other outputs for a record, a multiview and DSM notes and its a done deal. If it had real audio outs, it would be a a market killer! Still, I'm sold. Release date?
Have you tried outputing a camera input to any of the multiple SDI outputs on the Constellation series? I'm trying to figure out how to get the audio of that camera to go to that output and not the main mix audio...because your idea of using it as the one of the Atem Mini ISO to be a large recorder would require that, right?
Unfortunately this is the big limit with the ATEMs, there is only one program audio mix. Most of the time I don't actually use the ISO audio from the different inputs anyway, so I don't mind running a few SDI outputs into a separate ATEM SDI to record ISO video feeds, knowing that I will only be recording a single audio mix. If ISO recordings of the audio is important to you, then you'll definitely want to stick with the ATEM Mini ISO series.
I am very interested to know if the Studio Camera Converter for the 4K Studio camera will work with the SDI in/out on these. I want to use the ethernet run for sending and receiving video signals with the Extreme ISO. Doesn't currently work with the HDMI version and I really want my camera ops to have program return via ethernet.
Q: How does the new SDI models do with camera-control for ursa, pocket ect. Have they done some magic again were you can do it one one SDI cable or du you need to use the outputs and only be able to control a few cameras?
So if I'm hearing this right the ATEM SDI has 2 SDI outputs but lacks a multi view? Anyone have any suggestions on signal flow to get a multi view with that unit?
In future I want upgrade from the AMP to Extreme ISO and will then go for the SDI model, also because I believe I will need less converters than when opting for the HDMI model. Still puzzled how to connect everything together. Two HDMI cameras goes to IN3 and IN4 (through converters) and Mac Mini goes to IN1 (because of DIR ?!) or should I connect it to the Hyperdeck plus instead? SDI OUT A and B goes to IN7 and IN8. then I’m planning on using two UltraStudio converters (REC and Monitor).
Hello Blackmagic removed ISO models in Hdmi? ATEM SDI PRO ISO and ATEM Extrem Iso can no longer act as a webcam? the manual says only the SDI mini? can you confirm that one of the USBs can broadcast in Zoom? Thanks
@@aaronpk he made a reading error. the manual implies that the SDI pro and extreme only have the ethernet option to broadcast. ;) thank you for your time and tutorial i wait ultimate12 ;)
Black magic are well known to cripple hammer their own products to make their other product relevant like converters etc. i would love to have one like your wish lists it would be perfect.
A damn shame that XLRs (even mini XLRs) were not incorporated into the new Atems as opposed to continuing with the dreadful mini jacks. Missed opportunity.
There is no alpha channel in the video, but you can overlay video with transparency by using two SDI inputs, known as "key/fill". One input has the video and the other has the alpha channel, and you can use the upstream or downstream key to overlay this onto your main video.
Q: I need to buy ATEM EXTREME as we have more than 4 input. All of our cameras are HDMI & monitors are HDMI. Do you recommend that I get the EXTREME HDMI model for our use, or we are better off getting the EXTREME SDI model ( I will need to buy at least 9 SDI-to -HDMI converters, for all cameras and monitors) for any benefits of the SDI model. Rarely we get into the situation where we need long HDMI cable. Appreciate your advice Thanks
My strongest argument going with HDMI is the automatic video up- and downscaling of the HDMI switcher inputs. The switcher converts all input signals to the program output video signal format. Update: the SDI switcher also converts formats and framerates. Audio Encoding/Decoding: The switcher with SDI input, forces you to input always the same video format e.g. 1080p@30fps. It can be tricky force all sources output that format. Sometimes you need a cross converter. SDI converter This setup adds one more converter to the workflow: source > hdmi > SDI > SDI format converter > video switcher. With the SDI converter scenario, you introduce converters. Every device introduces a point of failure. The possible error in event of device fail, is higher. Regarding Audio: There is SDI Analog and SDI digital. Digital can carry up to 12 cannels of audio at the same time with the Video. Converter can be used to embedded and de-embedded the audio signal. SDI as control signal: SDI digital is great if your camera support that signal. It can steer cameras from remote through the SDI output on the video switcher. In environments which have a video control room with the hardware, and the scene in a different room. The camera can be controlled in the live scene room through ethernet, ipad and an app. My conclusion is, use SDI if you need long distances >30m or need to connect campus buildings with fibre optics. I would say in room size setups, HDMI is a better choice - more flexible reg. video encoding, takes less space (nr. of converter, amount of cable, has smaller error rate and less devices). I wish you a great day. I hope this information will help you making a decision.
Minor correction: the ATEM SDI does also have a frame rate converter on the inputs! So you don't need to match all the sources like the older ATEM switchers. This is also true with the Constellation HD models now too!
Who invented hdmi introduced world of issues expense and problems into the whole video worlds . All electronics should have forever remained only with sdi consumer and pro
