Are the Spikes a Buff or a Nerf? - PUMA VJTF in War Thunder

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The PUMA VJTF in War Thunder is a German IFV that we all know and have loved or hated. This version comes with 4 Spike Missiles that as usual... fall a little short of the mark. Sometimes literally!
The PUMA IFV is no stranger to the game now. From the BONK BONK BONK of old where it pretty much ran a train on the matchmaker, to the point where it got put to a battle rating where it was a bit more balanced... it's still a solid IFV when compared to the Swedish over-tiered versions.
The PUMA this time around got Spike ATGM's that are fire and forget. The problem is, for some reason they don't really behave very well compared to the Namer. This makes you play in a way where you're not relying on the Spikes so effectively we have a 10.0 PUMA at 10.7 with 4 near useless missiles.
I still really enjoy the PUMA despite not enjoying IFV's in general, so it was at least a little bit fun to play! :)
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@OddBawZ 23 часа назад

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@crangonV 22 часа назад

Colors in the video look extremely contrasty and washed out, almost like watching an HDR video on normal display without proper mapping or what not. Is this intended as in some pro level visibility trick or what's happening? I have noticed this on your last few videos, but here it is even more extreme.

@Mellenius 20 часов назад

@@crangonV Spookston said something being Glitchy about Nvidia and knowing OddBawz uses a 4090 it is possible there is some recording bug dealing with HDR. Likely his display he uses is HDR and the recording software whether OBS or whatever is getting the wrong color/brightness signals.

@OmegaEnchilada 12 часов назад

French VB.10-02 video please?

@michaelbarnard8529 22 часа назад

“This is pretty chaotic right now” as you wade through half a dozen enemies like a raid boss.

@raizencore 23 часа назад

Spikes seem to work much better against aircraft than ground vehicles.

@michaelbarnard8529 22 часа назад

I thought spikes were AA weapons.

@raizencore 22 часа назад

@@michaelbarnard8529 honestly, I don't blame you. lol

@boat5138441 20 часов назад

The most fun you can have is sitting in a cap and yeeting spikes at helos

@SexyClaus 20 часов назад

Yeah they only really work good againt helis

@yungyork5425 20 часов назад

@boat5138441 I hate it so much because I don't have spikes in any of my TT and they get me from kms away as soon as I spawn 😂

@TheCodMineMan 18 часов назад

I PUMA pants. Odd will single-handedly raise the Pumas BR to 11.0

@Enderkiller_295 4 часа назад

Yooo I love your video man ❤

@darwinism8181 21 час назад

Watching the damage model at 15:27 is crazy - the track eats so many rounds that look like they should be going above or below it and the spalling from the track being hit is just eaten by the fuel tank, over and over

@liladoodle 23 часа назад

Anything NATO: *Exists.* Gaijin: "You get nerfed, you get nerfed, you get nerfed! Everything NATO geta nerfed!".

@R4FSAN 22 часа назад

Same with USSR tbh. Especially the 2s38. It really fell off :(

@pigeon5520 22 часа назад

@@R4FSAN thankfully

@R4FSAN 22 часа назад

@@pigeon5520 well those yankee mains and ex-Naz- i mean german mains are still crying about 2s38 being op :(

@gravitatemortuus1080 22 часа назад

@@R4FSAN Its more about its still pretty good for its tier level. Considering the closest thing to it for the USA is over 11.

@R4FSAN 22 часа назад

@@gravitatemortuus1080 It's more about it's still worse than the certain thing in every way. Even more so considering it got a ridiculous buff recently without getting a BR increase while 2s38 didn't receive a BR decrease for being nerfed into oblivion

@wingknutt1130 22 часа назад

I've had several matches where I went back and rearmed my drone TWICE and ended up with 5 out of 6 kills. Never underestimate the agility of the drone to dodge and dive for the deck. Kill power, roll, and dive.

@o5council501 17 часов назад

I think the problem with spikes is that they are meant to be used at ranged that exceed one kilometer, but most war thunder engagements dont occur at that range. its probably why they work so well on helis

@prancer8934 14 часов назад

No they literally just randomize the hit location for balance reasons. They are also supposed to be top attack and you can see they fly very low in WT

@Organic_Chemistry_Junkie 4 часа назад

@@prancer8934 But would they honestly be "unbalanced" given the sort of things CAS does in the same BR range? I really don'r think so.

@micaheiber1419 2 часа назад

@@Organic_Chemistry_Junkie Yeah I wish more systems in war thunder were as lethal as they are IRL, even some of the memed about Russian stuff is underwhelming, then they compensate for it by giving them rounds they never had instead of fixing and putting them at their real BR lol. You can see the same philosophy but even more egregious in naval, Gaijin can't be bothered to model ships' real systems, so everyone is brawling like it's 1870 regardless of the year of their ship.

@Organic_Chemistry_Junkie 2 часа назад

@@micaheiber1419 Note: I don't even play high tiers as its too grindy for my tastes. But seeing stuff like this certainly doesn't make me any more interested to try...

@HotRod-gv4zt 20 часов назад

Just to add onto this information because I've noticed a lot of creators are not mentioning this. You can use the spike misslss on helicopters. Works like a charm. I've gotten a good handful of heli kills with them!

@Kraus- 17 часов назад

I would highly advise using the missiles exclusively for helicopters.

@7ThePrimagen 11 часов назад

@@Kraus- I mean they are pretty good for bitch slapping the smug look off an atgm carrier or mbt who thinks they are safe

@bentonstaffel2471 19 часов назад

God i love odd’s accent “10.000h”😂. “Juust steeer mann, not intuh me tho” so funny.

@TheBeholder666 21 час назад

odd is such a good youtuber that he makes me wanna go back to playing war thunder daily

@TheThoiBoi 23 часа назад

The spikes can be pretty useful for taking out helis in sim

@Kraus- 17 часов назад

Spikes are the closest thing you can get to a guaranteed kill. Helis can't even make them crash into the ground because they move so slowly. It may take more than thirty seconds, but it's going to track perfectly... for helicopters. I've used them on A-10s and SU-25s with good results too.

@lino222 20 часов назад

22:42 not another wolfpack...it was the same, lmao...he even spawned on the other spawn area, but there was no escaping from the hungry Puma!

@Juel92 21 час назад

I saw someone saying that maybe the Namer spikes work better because they're launched more upwards which makes them more reliably hit top-down rather than the cheeks.

@thepunisher236169 6 часов назад

Look upwards before launching them then?

@Juel92 5 часов назад

@@thepunisher236169 Yeah I think that might help. I don't have any playable Spike vehicles so I can't test it myself.

@micaheiber1419 Час назад

@@Juel92 I do it on the funny Italian spike car, it works well. I honestly didn't know other vehicles had angled launchers because I only play ITA.

@anotherherosfall 23 часа назад

Did you change your brightness settings somehow? I‘m excited for the Defyn colab!

@relledk 22 часа назад

I agree. To much

@warthunderclipper 17 часов назад

@@relledkit’s a bug after the update

@WigglyWings 22 часа назад

Colour/brightness of the video seems off. Noticed it since last few videos.

@Person4772 22 часа назад

Contrast seems to be bugged. Spookston mentioned it in their video on the T1E1 (90)

@WigglyWings 21 час назад

@@Person4772 Yeah, I saw that video too.

@KlaweKlapki 22 часа назад

Spikes are really fire and forget Fire and forget about it xD

@zerrierslizer1 20 часов назад

the most New York thing to come to War Thunder.

@lino222 20 часов назад

lmao...true, it's like they never existed !

@StarWarsExpert_ 18 часов назад

nah, they are more like fire and complain about them.

@Insommer 13 часов назад

Been watching your videos for almost a year now, never even played war thunder until last week, you make it look very easy, i've been playing japan tanks doing RB and i think i've got around 4 kills with just under 90 deaths over maybe 20 games

@Larsongathestein 22 часа назад

The stock grind against 10.7 and 11.7 is just unplayable though.

@sirbonobo3907 9 часов назад

Gies for every Grind below 7.0

@Juel92 5 часов назад

The air stock grind is so much worse. Been grinding some air lately and it's ridiculous, especially in uptiers.

@jann_0 23 часа назад

Dude i was literally thinking "will odd do a video about puma VJTF"

@antiheldd.3081 16 часов назад

I use the Freccia a lot and i think there is something you can do to make the Spikes hitting better - lock on, pull your turret up and shoot then. This way i get more roof and less front hits on tanks.

@jynger8455 19 часов назад

Yea, the inconsistency on damage in WT is something that really has screwed me mentally, I lately have noticed that when i play some other FPS I slightly pause on rushing because I forget other games do not have that bug, if you hit you hit and do damage as expected not like WT.

@brycecupp9660 19 часов назад

i know i speak for the community... More OddZ is Better OddZ... for the algorithm 🥳

@Solicle 19 часов назад

I watched a vid on your review of the Vilkas a little while back and you mentioned they were horrible but I swear they’ve been going crazy lately. I get like guaranteed 2 kills on long range maps using the spikes.

@Anteritus 23 часа назад

i appreciate you mr odd!

@doc__holiday6022 8 часов назад

Gaijin's BR classifications are becoming increasingly stupid. The previous Puma shoots the same ammunition at 10.0, the Vilkas has the Spike at 10.3, and the new Puma comes because of the Spike at 10.7 where there is nothing else in the German research tree.... You can't get any more stupid than that

@arg1051 22 часа назад

Have you ever driven in Italy? It's a full contact sport, even when you're parked. Absolutely the worst drivers I've ever encountered in my life.

@blackshuck1175 19 часов назад

Have you tried Paris absolute carnage round the arc de triumph round about I also don't understand why they have traffic lights as everyone ignores them 😅

@musicbro8225 11 часов назад

I've ridden a motorcycle in both Italy and Paris but they don't compare to Portugal. Maybe it was just the wrong time of year but they were overtaking me on either side and they weren't using a different lane. Arc de triumph is a free for all though :)

@arg1051 4 часа назад

@@blackshuck1175 Haven't driven in Paris; I have driven in France though. I'll admit though, I was glad that I wasn't driving when I was in Paris, lol.

@arg1051 4 часа назад

@@musicbro8225 haven't been to Portugal yet

@ralffsmith2655 17 часов назад

Sir, your back must be hurting from carrying those German teams. You, sir, have skills

@musicbro8225 11 часов назад

Don't be an angry man Odd. Much love brother!❤ Avenging angel of brutality in this video though. Love it :)

@braedonimpila7739 23 часа назад

American M3 halftrack at 4.0 its a beast. Also haven't done a video for it.

@charlescourtwright2229 15 часов назад

anyone else think the video is a bit brighter than normal?

@jestricariaan 21 час назад

just the way the world works....cracked me up, thank you

@Weather..Report 11 часов назад

i have noticed that the namor spikes, despite being identical, perform better then any other spike launching ground vehicle

@Juel92 5 часов назад

I saw someone say that it's because they're launched more upwards so they do more top-down attack. Don't have the vehicles so I can't test that out though.

@lfotzblitz7436 20 часов назад

Spikes in general are a mess. You can´t aim them, they bounce off of light vehicles and for some reason the downward angle of the top down approach is not modeled and is registered as flat all the time.

@juanpablogimenezdemaria1782 16 часов назад

The ufp is actually 20mm thick as it's overlayed also the extra 10mm on the front are good against HE munitions or atgms as they explode before contact so it's spaced armour ig

@Bidle78 19 часов назад

I’ve played several games with it and really love this one. Spikes are decent but need the right distance and elevation. Hopefully the Snail will fix this. Also the turret gets damaged soooo quick! You need a team mate to fix it,……

@prancer8934 14 часов назад

Spikes this patch are very nerfed from even the previous major patch where you could actually lock people through the ground. And they would sometimes even hit their target.

@ryanqube9132 22 часа назад

Yeah this Puma needs to be brought down to 5.7

@User00O0 22 часа назад

love your videos keep it up! These missiles blasts the enemy the targeting AI for these spikes needs a fix

@specc_s1452 12 минут назад

I wish the IRCM actually worked like it's supposed to

@lucky_4_jake4 10 часов назад

I think once they refine and tweak how they work it’ll be worth it but as of now the missiles seem to be unpredictable enough to not have too much value in my opinion

@annadelsiena 19 часов назад

Have you tried out the 120S yet? I know you hate slow tanks but I think the funny M1A1 turret on this bobblehead monstrosity would make up for the lacking mobility :D

@blackshuck1175 19 часов назад

I'm surprised that the snail hasn't strapped something similar to the spikes on the 2s38 for RU bias lol 😆

@BeedramWallatusk 6 часов назад

Your colors are more blown out than Spookston after a furry convention.

@greenbeans6850 14 минут назад

How much sat do you want? Odd: Yes

@oliver9160 2 часа назад

I saw you did some good, fun challenges. So i thought you could try to play with the ST-A1 or A2 as stock.

@samadams2203 22 часа назад

Maybe I'm crazy but I feel like the launch angle for the Spikes is important. Puma has them horizontal, Namur was angled upwards?

@Solicle 19 часов назад

Definitely, more pen on less of an angle.

@TabiTheCat 21 час назад

the color is so harsh on the videos now

@AverySadBear 21 час назад

My spikes no longer hit moving vehicles. Or vehicles sitting still. Or anything.

@nicestorm1425 4 часа назад

wish you could use normal tow missiles or something on the puma as a choice as well

@PurpsUK2 21 час назад

Odd angry rant about bad driving. 2 minutes later Odd side swipes a team mate who is repairing. Just had to mention that it had me is stitches.

@bagelmaster2498 23 часа назад

I really feel like they should put it to 10.3 and let it have 6 missiles

@canned__meat 10 часов назад

My only real experience with spikes is with the vilkas and they're much more often a complete miss than a hit. I haven't tried the Namer but it seemed to be much more effective than the German variants for some reason. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️ Could be a skill issue but... "Fire and forget" doesn't leave much room for human error.

@justinwilliam717 22 часа назад

rly wanted to see you take the ids out maybe in a next vid

@MrIlovetogame 9 часов назад

Just steer man = UR STICK IS NOT EVEN TOUCHING THE GROUND MAN Ahhhh Scottish

@bushboi 18 часов назад

Spikes definitely work just fine against me even in a very conservative play style

@wolvetica 4 часа назад

The spikes are great. On tanks like the Vilkas. Getting a flat launch is really really irritating, and it doesn’t benefit combat. I have more success with the Vilkas than i do with the VJTF

@elliswerchan9939 15 часов назад

Object 292 has been weird lately. For a vehicle with weak armor, it has tanked a lot of MBT SABOT's. Lot's of no side pen.

@sirbonobo3907 9 часов назад

The Spikes Work as intended...

@ozelotsoffunT-jz2rt 4 часа назад

I Like That i can just mg the turret and break tthat way

@Chrinik 8 часов назад

I'm wondering if AHEAD rounds fuze setter accounts for doppler shift, and thus the heading of the enemy. Without that, the round would overfly targets that come toward you.

@MikeSnick-ep5kz 22 часа назад

Spike really don't like any sort of movement when firing, and it was pretty frustrating when I started grinding this a couple of days ago

@jordantaylor-ir2rn 19 часов назад

hey @oddbawZ i was wondering if youd do a video on the RU MI24D thats on sale for a few days , im not quite sure how to use these helis yet and itd be nice to see a heli thats not as easy as fire and forget

@Igzilee 12 часов назад

Is it just me or is the 'vibrancy' (saturation, contrast? idk the terms) of the video incredibly high

@l.lehrer7124 12 часов назад

How about just get them to work consistently, yes they detonate midair or hit an optic and that's all you get. Only once in a while can you get decent damage or kill.

@Raxo347 22 часа назад

Day 12 of asking Odd toplay the UDES33

@Craeshen 17 часов назад

with how unreliable spikes are they could double the ammo for them and only moderately increase effectiveness

@The17RJ 21 час назад

Ive had good luck hitting helicopters with the spikes

@Xtariz 22 часа назад

I use these on Heli's... works everytime and they don't seem to get any warming :3

@c_a_p_s 9 часов назад

I remember when I first started WT I saw dollar plays video on PUMA. Shit looked sick as fuck, still think PUMA is the coolest looking in the game. But man, is that not great :(

@DarkSoul1992 21 час назад

Wtf was so hard to just implement it this way: - new modification: Spike - when equipped, tank's br changes to 10.3. 10.7 is complete BS because no line up and a whole ctrl+c ctrl+v vehicle is so unbelievable lame, I can't even find words for.

@cbev1249 18 часов назад

i would rather just have 2 vehicles, that why you can have them both on at the same time. I think both pumas are too high, no spikes should be 9.7 and with spikes should be 10.0--10.3

@Sh4quille0atmeal 21 час назад

10.7 is a little high for this thing. at 10.0 the 30mm already isnt too great but then raising it by 0.7br just to give it some spikes that dont work half the time is just stupid

@logicmaster756 22 часа назад

With bias there is no balance

@thybonheng1485 16 часов назад

Also It full of bug The optical lock for the spike don't work probably unlike the vilkas The APS didn't work The spike get hit and it blow up both track just why The spike lose lock so quick And it sometimes lock but don't fire

@Liam-ei8ps 20 часов назад

am i mad or is the contrast really weird in this, loved the video otherwise but was super bright

@warthunderclipper 17 часов назад

Nerf, their only use is killing helis, and you don’t see many helis after their last nerf

@libor2010 Час назад

what happened to latest videos colours and saturation, did he suddenly switched to HDR ? because it looks terrible.

@steliokorda6712 17 часов назад

Regardless of what my opinion was and if i agreed with him or not about other tanks in the past that Bawz has either bad mouthed or praised i ll admit he always had a point! But now i think after the new puma experience he has lost his mind completely! during this video it was proven multiple times that this tank is worthless and most of the time his expression says it all! Also one thing that i cant get out of my mind is the sound of the gun that sounds like a desperate man banging with a hammer a tin piece of metal.

@Videogamevideos69 22 часа назад

Day five of asking odd to play the strv 101.

@grimmerjxcts2206 21 час назад

Volumetric and it's consequences

@johncmcham 19 часов назад

id rather have these missiles on the bagel 57 at the same BR

@Pyroguide_wiki 23 часа назад

Spikes are both.

@unfairbullet 23 часа назад

Literally both

@CallmeRoth 14 часов назад

"THATS STEER MAN"

@einbaerchen2995 8 часов назад

The Spikes are just shit and the BR the new Puma is at is just stupid too. The only reason to put it where it is is to make it useless. Penning the US or Russian top-dogs with the APDS-FS is possible but very hard due to the ERA from the sides and basically impossible from the front. You might want to use your Spikes on that occasion but they just don't work. The only vehicles I used the Spikes against reliably are helis. Using it against tanks is just like playing the lottery. I even had the missile ricochet on lightly armoured targets, like BMPs because it just came in so shallow... Gaijin really needs to fix the Spikes but they aren't Russian, so who knows when that will happen...

@AusExplorer 11 часов назад

Puma gunna pume.

@cannack 20 часов назад

perhaps it is my rat-ish playstyle, but I seldom, almost never get hit with spikes. Like I can count on one hand the amount of times I have died to spikes in the past year.

@warthunderclipper 17 часов назад

No, spikes suck