Are VivTech LED UV Bulbs Safe for your Reptile?

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We discuss the Vivtech UV LED bulbs, the spectrum they produce and if they are safe for your reptile.
Ryan and Erica McVeigh are the founders of the newly launched reptile brand, VivTech. In this episode, Ryan discusses why they decided to start VivTech as well as some of the issues with large corporate reptile brands. Ryan also talks about the importance of supporting both USARK and conservation initiatives and explains how he has folded that into the brand's mission. Of course, we talk about the current VivTech products available including the UV LED bulbs, and the future tech Ryan plans on bringing to herpetoculture within the next few years.
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0:00 Coming Up
1:12 Guest Introduction
4:43 Housekeeping
5:05 Welcome Ryan/ Why start VivTech?
12:52 The Problem with Huge Corporate Brands
24:20 Launching VivTech
30:47 Raising funds for USARK/Conservation
36:00 The Problem with USARK
48:52 What Species should be regulated?
51:50 Run-thru of VivTech Products
1:01:20 Why start with lighting? Why LEDs?
1:13:25 Spectrometer Readings
1:22:55 Lack of UVA/ Testing bulbs
1:43:18 Creating full-length strip lights
1:47:05 Educating new keepers?
1:54:37 The Future of VivTech
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@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Thank you for watching the episode! Don't forget to check out the show notes: www.animalsathomenetwork.com/113-vivtech/

@reptilemafia2738 2 года назад

It would be cool if the entire exotic animal community came together instead of separating ourselves into different communities instead of having a bird and fish and herp community separated we could use eachother to help get our voices out only all of us can stand up against peta and these radical people that think we shouldn’t be keeping animals we would have so much more power if it wasn’t only the herp community asking others to support USARK if only it was everyone in the exotic animal community USASK would be way more successful and have a lot more support because if we’re not careful our grandkids maybe won’t be able to keep amazing animals one day and that would be tragic

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Very good point!

@rickcroney1286 2 года назад

Very, very interesting episode. Ryan is a wealth of information: USARK, large reptile companies and most importantly what they are doing at Vivtech. The UVB LED has been controversial but he seems to have a good product, which needs a little bit more tweaking (which they are working on). Time will tell...hopefully good things are coming! Looking forward to being able to get these products here.

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Thank you for listening, Rick! Yeah I was really happy we went down the "USARK tangent", it was totally unplanned but I think will be very valuable for people to hear. I will be very interested to watch the LED space evolve!

@xxMichelleUnicornxx 2 года назад

I didn't realize how much I took aquarium tech for granted until I came into the reptile hobby and so much just wasn't (and still isn't) there. Ventilation and air circulation is a huge gripe for me. So many stock enclosures have too little ventilation or no good way to circulate the air. I've just started modding computer fans onto most of mine. I also agree with a lack of enclosure variety. Aquariums you have so many choices: bowfronts, diamonds, hexes etc. Vivariums are starting to get there but it's still mostly just boxes. I heartily agree with the discussion on regulation. The hobby has taken the anti-regulation to such an extreme that we're cutting off our nose to spite our face. The reality is we will be regulated whether we want it or not and it would be much better to be proactive rather than reactive. Reptile hobbyists also need to be better about policing our own. We already keep animals that most people hate and if we don't get it together we will be brought to heel.

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Yes ventilation is a huge one! And adding fans/extra ventilation really isn’t overly complicated, so hopefully we start seeing them incorporated into more set ups.

@nature4you734 2 года назад

@@AnimalsatHomePodcast using room fans is so important inside herp rooms for the ventilation ports to function effectively. By running air past an enclosure you create a lower pressure within the enclosure, as the pressure equalises it removes stagnant air out of the enclosure, forcing air exchange.

@seaamundsen4687 2 года назад

We only have a single ball python right now, but I did notice a big difference in airflow in his enclosure (a 20 gallon long currently) once we started leaving the room fan on in his room. We are working on a bioactive 5x2x2 enclosure for him right now, but will definitely be continuing to leave the fan on even after he transitions into it because it just seems to help a lot.

@Robert-tj3jq 2 года назад

The problem with policing our own is that it doesn't work. We don't allow drivers to police themselves. We have the police because we need an organization that can actually enforce the rules.

@caitwn8548 2 года назад

I enjoyed so many things about this, but I have to take a second and just shout 'THANK YOU' to Ryan for developing the Rock Lair hides while he was with Zilla. It doesn't matter whether it's my tiny Anthill Python or my adult Jungle Carpet Python - every single one of my snakes LOVES these hides.

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Thanks for watching the episode, glad to hear that hides are a huge hit with your animals!

@josepheyre7761 2 года назад

As someone who has kept aquariums for years and starting to get into reptiles the only people I know using aquarium controllers are reefers who have massive systems that run like an ecosystem and are over $10k for the system and then quite possibly another $10k in livestock. Even on my discus tank I don't run a controller but I have a herpastat2 controlling my heat mat and basking light on my KSB. Some of the features of aquarium lighting like thunderstorms and moon lights are there for people trying to cause spawning events. The lightning flashes makes the fish freak out freak out. With that said I could see how a moon light could be useful for nocturnal reptiles as night in the wild isn't absolutely dark. Night hiking in the desert on a full moon a flashlight isn't necessary in my experience.

@apss5736 2 года назад

Yeah I'm a freshwater guy so a lot of this equipment is for reefers

@leekestner1554 Год назад

I am always amazed at your show. I can listen to you and it runs a long time but your wrapping up and I haven't been bored or impatient or any of the other ADHD tics. You are amazing. Always rich information.

@AnimalsatHomePodcast Год назад

I really appreciate the kind words! So happy to hear you are enjoying the podcast!

@KaiahAurora 2 года назад

The one part I disagree with is the idea of adding stickers and confetti and such to shipped animals or goods. I agree that we want the bag to be safer and more sanitary for the animal, but I would much rather focus on reducing unnecessary waste than getting a business card or sticker out of it

@AlexsAgamids 2 года назад

So happy you finally got Ryan on! I'm so happy to see the myths of LED's shut down with real proof (especially on a live podcast and spectrometer reading! :D) VivTech is honestly gonna be the next big thing for the reptile industry!

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Thanks for watching the episode! Yes, it was great to see that there is no UVC present in the bulbs. As I said in the episode, I still plan on waiting for further development of the bulbs, I would really like to wait until the full UVA spectrum can be provided. Like Ryan said, he's working on it!

@THEGEEK-wo5lb Год назад

What a fantastic podcast episode this is the future of reptile keeping

@AnimalsatHomePodcast Год назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@joetrimberger1129 2 года назад

Just came across this video and channel and was captivated by all the information you had to share. Can't wait to see new Vivtech products pop up.

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Thanks, Joe! Glad you found the channel. I hope you eventually have a chance to work your way through the past episodes as well!

@mikeyben6144 2 года назад

It's hard for me to spend the time for podcasts. But you hit it out of the park everytime. Great episode.

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Thank you! I appreciate that!

@ericzeddies4471 2 года назад

I know I'm late to this channel, but I am happy that I found it. This video was super informative and I was happy to hear someone finally mention how much money is involved with reptile products. I have lost count of how many times I hear people say "Why do they still sell heat rocks?" Because people buy them. And like it was mentioned near the end, you can't expect people to be an instant expert or know better when they first start. Also, definitely joining US ARK after seeing this. Didn't realize it was one guy and he's basically superman for reptiles as far as I'm concerned.

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Glad you found the channel! Thank you for watching the episode 😁

@MalcolmCrabbe 2 года назад

Fantastic episode. Around the 11 minute mark Ryan talks about why products are not keeping pace with the aquarium hobby. One reason is legislation. Here in the UK (and EU) products need to be CE marked. In order for someone or a company to CE mark their products it has to be tested under recognised standards by approved labs. This is often so costly that small companies or individuals can't afford those tests, or the outlay will be far more than the profit forecast would make. For example, 10 years ago I developed a controller that was basically four independent PID pulse proportional thermostats, each with programmable night time drops, and individual hi and low alarms. I've continued development and now have 8 channels so can control 8 vivariums form one unit. I had a lot of interest so looked at making it as a small commercial project - but that's when I ran into the CE marking issue, and it would have cost me £30,000 in order to be able to stand up in a court of law and state that my product is safe and meets current electrical standards. The product would not have enough interest to recoup that amount, let alone make me some money.

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Thanks for listening, Malcolm! And yes, great point! Sam Perrett (HerpHQ) was just explaining this to me last week. He is in a very similar situation to you, tons of interest in his controller but the barrier of entry to turn it into a products is far to steep!

@joyrenenardozzi6226 2 года назад

This was a really conversation to listen to. Hope you two get together again. Thank you for the content!

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it, thank you for listening!

@samf8894 2 года назад

Really impressed with the passion here. And especially the way Ryan thinks about psychological health as well as physical health. Great stuff and an interesting listen

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Thank you for listening to the episode, Sam! I’m glad to hear you enjoyed it.

@jonathanyoungblood8676 2 года назад

Wow talk about an overload of information and thank both. This was definitely by far a good video to watch. Helped me drive from Seattle to Yakima. Love it vivteck is what I'm investing in 👍👍💯💯🤘

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Thank you for listening to the episode! Glad you enjoyed it

@LetsTalkHerps 2 года назад

Looking forward to this one.

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Enjoy!

@jader669 2 года назад

I'm so glad someone is working on this stuff! When I think about syncing with daily weather changes some of the things I wonder about would be additional drainage with storms and rainfall, microclimates (like you mentioned with leopard geckos) Google might not have the data for inside a cave or a burrow, and also that living in the opposite hemisphere it might be harder to maintain opposite seasons. I wonder if maybe being able to customize averages and variations within seasons could be an option? Like could I set it to my ball pythons wet season for 5 months? Or my boa's "winter"? Again super glad someone is marketing better items!

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Thank you for watching the episode, Jade!

@jader669 2 года назад

@@AnimalsatHomePodcast thanks for making them!

@lukemrwylie 2 года назад

This one was awesome! I am defintely going to try out these bulbs! I loved the talk on US Ark as well. THis one i listened to the podacast AND watched the RU-vid

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching and listening to the episode! :)

@jeannel2515 2 года назад

Ryan and his wife are fellow Wisconsinites! I will be able to shop local for my reptile setups going forward. I'm really excited about the legislation that Ryan is working on proposing as well. Furthermore, as an altruistic person, I'm so impressed that Ryan and Erica (and you) donate a portion of your sales to good causes. Dylan as I'm watching this episode, the time is just flying by. I never knew that most of the pet product companies in the US were owned by a handful of huge corporations. As always thank you for the work you put into making such high quality videos.

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Thank you so much for watching the episode, Jeanne! Glad you enjoyed it 😁

@reptalienexotics3568 2 года назад

This is an AWESOME episode.

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Thank you for watching episode!

@SamGlife 2 года назад

another brilliant episode!

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@nature4you734 2 года назад

Great episode and very interesting discussion

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Thanks for listening guys!

@CJoefarhat 2 года назад

Great discussion compelling topics, also glad that ARK was brought up.

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Thank you for listening, Joe!

@Ascensionadventures 2 года назад

This dude and I could sit down and mad science some amazing things together 💪

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Thanks for watching, Sam!

@erickperez8770 Год назад

I use the fluval aquasky 2 with the sunrise/sunset automation for my corn snake. Is using this light system that was originally meant for aquariums ok to use in terrariums? I feel like its better since it has so much customization. Dusk/dawn automation, and it even has a pro mode for you to customize the amount of blue/red/green light emitted at specific times of the day that you choose.

@AnimalsatHomePodcast Год назад

I know quite a few people who do this, I think it’s fine to do!

@andrewsorchidbalcony7311 20 дней назад

Make a law that any company selling bulbs in the USA need to have a calibrated spectrometer to measure their products

@joshuacresswell7673 Год назад

I know that this is a year out, but does VivTech distribute to Europe yet? If not is there a way we can get them here as many strange cheap lights that are quite dangerous constantly slip through here. I know I could just message them but I want it to be public here on this great podcast's comment roll.

@ryanmcveigh4906 Год назад

Hey Joshua! We are looking to get into Europe as soon as possible. The popularity of our brand in the US has made it hard to catch up here, but once we can get supply around the world we will be working with vendors to do that. Right now we're in the UK, but that's it. Hopefully more to come this year. Just keep an eye on our social media this year as we will be loudly and proudly announcing any new countries we become available in.

@jess-sweetheartt8820 2 года назад

Great episode, very inspiring also :) Is there a link for the study 'they regulate uvb independant of heat'. Really would be great to have a read. Thanks for awesome work as always :)

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Thanks for watching, Jess! Good question, I’ll see if I can find the study

@jess-sweetheartt8820 2 года назад

@@AnimalsatHomePodcast thx, really would be amazinf if u could as be SUPER interesting read am certain :)

@dantan1249 2 года назад

i've noticed an interesting thing with my snake. I had a light on another enclosure next to her's and she comes out and explores more when the lighting is coming from the side. i think it mimics sunset and rise maybe

@guy8646 2 года назад

Is it possible that the light simply lets her see what’s in the other enclosure and she is trying to see what’s inside it? My snakes are very curious that way.

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Very interesting!

@Shastasnow Год назад

I want the reptile community to become more public. It is good the ads are including them. Too many people I have met only see the bad in the hobby. It really can limit on where you can even live. It is getting bad. The Florida fiasco and the many bad breeders of all kinds. They leave bad marks on the hobby. Even for the fish community. People letting their phobias rule how they treat reptile owners. My mom has a phobia of snakes but she kept opened minded and let me do my thing. She can now identify a snake, to see if it is dangerous and pick it up of it is safe to move it out of her house. I am proud as to how far she goes for me and herself. Not everyone is like this and they may never get to this level but I feel companies need to understand that there is this issue as well. I felt so alone in working with reptiles because the community is so quiet.

@apss5736 2 года назад

Good afternoon from the UK

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Hola 👋🏼. Enjoy the episode!

@KaiahAurora 2 года назад

I wish that specialty small animal pet stores were more commonplace. I've kept small mammals for much of my life and I always buy things from the bird, reptile, and aquarium sections because the items work for everyone. I'm sure that other small animal keepers have done the same. I just want some decent animal care products!

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Yes, I agree!!

@alexanderbrown5425 2 года назад

Great points, very interesting take! Regarding proposed permits, shouldn't individuals be required to prove that they are able to care for large or dangerous species aside from crocodilians? Large monitors, giant snakes, venomous snakes, etc. can be dangerous if they are cared for by the wrong individual. Though I suspect that the total number of injuries or deaths caused by these species is very low, I think that we might have to make a compromise here. I worry that when we ignore some of the obviously dangerous animals, the opposing organization may not take our points seriously.

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Yes, I very much agree! I’d also be willing to bet that the large species tend to have some of the worst husbandry… Having some kind of barrier of entry to ownership for those species would not be a bad thing

@wildcardreptiles5326 2 года назад

I agree with the venomous permits but I don’t understand how someone would go about getting their hours. Besides working with someone who already has their permit and hours. The problem with that is the 1 guy or group could be on the whole other side of the state.

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Yeah it’s a definitely not a straight forward policy to attempt to implement

@ericroscoe8654 2 года назад

We also need to think a little more on American alligators such that they are still attainable in some way for legitimate educational or research purposes. From that standpoint, they are really the best choice for an educational crocodilian that is not psychotic. A simple blanket permit would be sufficient.

@themotions5967 2 года назад

@@ericroscoe8654 maybe a hybrid solution of limiting in person sales while also having permits for reptile rescues, breeders of the species, and Educators that allows them to more freely pick up these animals from any rescue or surrender situation as well as purchasing them more regularly when and if needed. That way the guy who’s never even had a dog down the street isn’t going to just be able to dish out 100$ and get one whenever he wants, but the animal educator with crocodilian husbandry related experience can freely go pick up a surrendered animal, rescue or even simply go to a breeder and purchase a animal.

@ericroscoe8654 2 года назад

@@themotions5967 Yup. Legitimate educators and rescuers, etc. will still need ways of being able to get them, which might need to entail in-person transactions.

@quaqa88 2 года назад

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@timvaneck9240 2 года назад

Ryan is in my opinion the most passionate person in herpetoculture. I look forward to seeing what he does in the future

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Thank you for watching episode, Tim!

@vids595 2 года назад

Dartfrog keepers are already there. Its the rest of you that are lagging. And it is entirely because the cost of aesthetically pleasing, bioactive, sufficiently large enclousres for most reptiles is beyond what most people can/want to afford.

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Yeah, I bring up the dart frog community all the time. And I think you’re right, the size issue/expense makes it very difficult for reptile keepers to maintain high care standards. Definitely doesn’t mean it’s impossible!

@themotions5967 2 года назад

I also think there are a few more reasons aside from cost. In fact I’d also argue that a lot of people that keep smaller tropical and sub tropical species of reptile are right on the dart frog keeper’s rear as resources for properly sized bioactive setups for many of these animals are become more and more readily available I also think you guys advanced so quickly because of the sensitive nature of many dart frogs in a way you guys had the perfect reason to drive husbandry advancements forward quickly. Where a leopard gecko (for example) with even now outdated standard care conditions is still going to live 15-20 years past the wild average. Speaking of which I also think since many of the more standard reptiles we keep are arid and semi arid species, and setting up successful Complex bioactive setups for arid living and desert species can be very difficult for a novice at vivaria that we also run into issues there as well. It took me good time and research to finally develop my own species specific mixes for the arid living animals I keep that actually behave like different soil types from arid environments. For example my leopard gecko mix actually behaves like rocky clay soil. You can pick it up in your hand as a solid piece and when you compress it it falls apart back into loose soil. No standard desert substrate is going to give you those properties Even among available supplies For bioactive vivaria most of what is available is for tropical to sub tropical animals, with arid specific substrate mix recipes, and arid species specialty products being newer in concept. And issues like thy are simply because we have been keeping dart frogs in these types of setups as a standard for longer than most reptiles , and even many amphibians in private care.

@jroyer9996 2 года назад

What nascar is killing babies?!!! 😂😂😂😂

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

😂😂😂

@Robert-tj3jq 2 года назад

I have a more cynical view on this topic. The reason why the hobby doesn't try to innovate is because many people don't want to spend the money and many people don't care. How often do you hear about people limiting their budget on caring for a common or lesser reptile? How many people have done large bioactive enclosures for the often disregarded green anole? Probably next to none because it's "only a green anole and it's so common and boring". When someone says they have 20 dogs, people are concerned about the health of the dogs. When someone says they have 20 cats, people are concerned about the health of the cats and the person. When someone says they have 20 reptiles, people like and subscribe. Watch ball python breeders on youtube talk about how excited they are to hit X,Y,Z combo and how cool it looks and then lock the snake in a rack with no room to move or do anything. They only look at the poor things for a couple minutes a week at most. I've seen people on youtube and in real life keeping burms, retics, and green anacondas in racks or bare cages they can't stretch out in. That even includes the more "respected" people, not just brian barczyk keeping monitors in racks. They aren't treating these reptiles as living creatures, they are treating them like fashion accessories at best. If the reptile hobby tried advancing their care the way the aquarium hobby supposedly does (I don't know anything about it to make a proper statement) people would realize that it's very expensive and they wouldn't be able to keep dozens of reptiles and that would hurt them on social media. They would also realize that things like burms probably shouldn't be kept as pets at all. These people aren't going to cut in to their social media profits for the sake of caring for their fashion accessories and just say "well I'm meeting the minimum care requirements". I love the animals but I hate the hobby. There are a few people out there fighting the good fight but people like you are the tiniest voices online because the algorithms place "LOOK AT MY 75+ REPTILES soyfacethumbnail.png" over "here is a study that shows that snakes with more room to move around are healthier than those that don't." I feel like social media has ruined things or maybe it was always this bad and now I can see everything that I couldn't as a kid. I'm not saying I want the hobby to go away but it desperately needs to change. Sorry for the rant.

@AnimalsatHomePodcast 2 года назад

Thank you for listening to the episode, and also for laying out your thoughts in this post! It’s certainly a tough battle. And I definitely agree with the “expense predicament” you’ve outlined here, it would be almost impossible to convince people to spend more money if they already have giant collections.

@-Liska 2 года назад

Coming from the aquarist side of things I'd say there is an element of a grown culture to it. Even within that hobby you'll find big contrasts depending on where it's practised. When I look up care conditions for certain fish species, the German and English sources will sometimes vary wildly, especially when it comes to acceptable tank sizes. The forums and communities also seem to have more pushback when it comes to meagre keeping conditions and "fish soup" (overloaded tanks / mixing of too many species to meet their individual needs). Some stronger regulations about animal care probably also play into this. Don't get me wrong, you still get bad husbandry and pet shop advice here, but the threshold for bad practices has already changed significantly since I was a kid 20 years ago, and so have the expectation on the level of money / care you have to invest for your animals. Fishkeeping has been a popular and long established hobby here, including old communities of private breeders & associations and I'm sure that plays a role. I'm not saying your pessimism about the state of your hobby is unfounded, I'm just saying the cultures and norms surrounding it are subject to change. Thoughts on minimum care requirements and responsible keeping for fish were so different a few decades ago, and I can only hope the needle can be moved upwards for other hobbies as well.

@themotions5967 2 года назад

I think people generally worry less about number of herps a person has because herps vary so much in the space and care requirements they have. For example with many of the gecko species commonly found in the hobby like leopard geckos, crested geckos, fat tailed geckos, gargoyle geckos, and even some lesser represented species like mourning geckos and banded geckos, you can definitely keep over 20 of these species and do it very easily and very well given the right budget. Heck of you keep nearly any micro geckos, dart frogs, or even something like garter snakes they likely will make up a few animals all existing within one larger setup. And when we see people with a lot of animals (especially the ones who care for them all right) they often keep smaller species except for one or maybe two larger species

@themotions5967 2 года назад

Also to mention a bit of a light at the end of the tunnel it’s important to note that keeping reptiles in bioactive setups is getting cheaper and cheaper to do. I’m seeing gradually more and more products available for people who want to go bioactive and larger and more advanced forms of vivarium are always inching towards being competitive to standard vivariums. The other day my local small pet store had 75 and 120 gallon pvc enclosures for under 200$ and bioactive substrates, specialty uvb and lighting, and more were all commercially available on shelves. That’s major progress considering a normal person would walk into a pet store and have the care supplies available to them to provide care 5 years behind current standards. We are getting better we just need more enforced and self enforced standards like we see in Germany and many Nordic countries.

@rkj7798 Год назад

This dude sold red lights and heat rocks. This is a commercial for his new company that will probably sell red lights and heat rocks.

@AnimalsatHomePodcast Год назад

Sounds like you maybe haven’t listened to the episode yet? We actually discussed “red lights/heat rock” type equipment that was sold via his former brand. Hopefully have a chance to listen at some point!

@rkj7798 Год назад

@@AnimalsatHomePodcast I stopped listening when he said he had to please shareholders and make money regardless. You can't put your standards on hold to rake in cash and then decide you'll start a company with opposite values in terms of reptile care because you now have the cash to do it. I'm really enjoying your content by the way.

@AnimalsatHomePodcast Год назад

Yeah, I certainly see your point. But I can promise you, Ryan’s heart is in the right place. If you were to meet him in person, you would get along with him very well. Glad you’re enjoying the podcast, thank you for listening!