Are We Justified by "Faith Alone"? 

Yes!

If you have faith, do work.

But also remember that our love for Jesus flows from his love. For us I think some people get this backwards

Faith generates works. Read not just eph 2:8-9 but also verse 10. We dont DO our works. We do works given to us.

Actually Jesus says “If you love me, you WILL keep my commandments. John 14:15 ESV Meaning that if we love Jesus (the root), keeping His commands will be the fruit. Truly loving Christ will cause us to naturally obey what he commands through the Holy Spirt. That doesn’t mean we won't sin still, because we will. But our desires truly change.

same story 🙌🏼

Same here, Greg! God bless you brother

First off, I think we can all agree, Protestant, and Catholic alike, if one professors faith in Christ, and has no evidence to back that up, namely, works or fruits of the spirit, I think that person has bigger problems than trying to classify works. The key to works in James 2 is 2:25. Never stop right at 2:24. Context is everything. James is wrapping up his case that genuine faith in God naturally results in a believer participating in good works. After showing how Abraham's saving faith caused him to act, James cites one more example from the Old Testament: Rahab the prostitute. Rahab's story is told in Joshua chapter 2. She was a citizen of Jericho who had heard the stories of Israel's mighty God and believed them: "The Lord your God, he is God in the heavens above and on the earth beneath" (Joshua 2:11). So when Israel's spies showed up to prepare for the battle against Jericho, Rahab hid them and helped them escape. Because of her actions, God spared Rahab and her family from the destruction to follow. It's important not to read something into the Bible which the author does not actually say. James point is not that Rahab's salvation was accomplished by what she did. The entire context of his discussion has been knowing what kind of faith it is that actually saves. Rahab's actions revealed that her faith in Israel's God was more than simply opinion: it was trusting, genuine faith. It's one thing to claim belief (James 2:14), or to have knowledge (James 2:19), but Rahab demonstrated that she had real saving faith-she "was justified," as James is using the term here-by courageously trusting the God of Israelites. This trust led inevitably to her good deeds. This is in perfect harmony with other New Testament passages such as Hebrews 11:31: "By faith Rahab the prostitute did not perish with those who were disobedient, because she had given a friendly welcome to the spies." Genuine faith in God and good works always go together. Works do not save, but they naturally flow from a legitimate relationship with Christ. Faith Alone Clement of Rome All these, therefore, were highly honoured, and made great, not for their own sake, or for their own works, or for the righteousness which they wrought, but through the operation of His will. And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. John Chrysostom The patriarch Abraham himself before receiving circumcision had been declared righteous on the score of faith alone: before circumcision, the text says, “Abraham believed God, and credit for it brought him to righteousness.” “What is the “law of faith?” It is, being saved by grace. Here he shows God’s power, in that He has not only saved, but has even justified, and led them to boasting, and this too without needing works, but looking for faith only.” To say the early church did not teach Faith alone is a BOLD FACE LIE. It is Rome that radically departed from justification by faith alone over the last 2000 years.

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Bung Scrung you don’t know for sure if you’re fit for heaven until you’re there. To say otherwise would be presumption upon God’s mercy. Regardless, justification can increase once the initial grace of justification has been gifted to us by God. So by practicing the faith we become holier, increase in grace and fall deeper in love with God.

Bassman_007 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. (John 5:25) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. (1 John 5:13) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (Romans 10:9,10) And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. (Acts 16:30,31)

Fellas I retract my previous statements I have become Catholic. God bless.

@@bungscrung3337 huh? what did you say?

Amen 🙏

@@russelbangot8245 There's a difference between believing God exists and believing that God sacrificed himself to save us.

This is a precise and succinct way to explain it for Protestants in general

So you follow a excommunicated Roman Catholicpriest,

how do you know for sure that your works have good motivations?

that is really what it was originally. back when Luther posted the 95 thesis he wasn't saying "here are 95 reasons you are a heretic", but that he had 95 points that he wanted to debate over what they are saying and how they compare to what the bible says.

I think the problem is the attempt by many protestants to try and turn faith and works into one entity. They take having faith, and good works coming from that faith and turn it all into one thing, faith.

I as much as I would like to say we believe in the same things, I can not. He mainly mentions the similarities between us but does not talk about a lot of core doctrine that Catholicism teaches that is very contradictory to what we believe.

@@tomswagger9140 true enough I think but what core doctrines would you be referring to

@@timotheuso9904 first of all just want you to know that every single Catholic is not going to believe the same thing, now they most likely believe their core doctrine although some are not even sure what Catholicism even fully teaches. Now, I don’t know that priest in the video or what he believes so he could believe something very different compared to other Catholics. As a Christian I know that every other Christian is not going to agree with all of my theology but the things we disagree on are second. But, it’s when we start to disagree in the core doctrine like, is Jesus God? How do you get to heaven? And so on, that’s when I have to say “Hold up, we got a problem” because the issue isn’t something like, is drinking a sin or not? The issue is Salvation itself and that’s something that’s a lot more important and not just a problem we can agree to disagree on. Now, I want to make my point very clear. I don’t know all of what this priest believes in, he might be my brother in Christ, but if he agrees with what Catholic doctrine teaches than I unfortunately can not call him my brother in Christ. Now you may think I’m just making assumptions and being biased, but no. I have a few Catholic friends who I’ve talked to and asked what and why they believe what they believe and I’ve gotten different answers from some of them. I also studied what Catholicism teaches just so I could understand their belief more. And if you are a true Catholic who follows the Catholic doctrine, it is more than just an issue we can agree to disagree on. I’m not going to get into the whole doctrine cause this message is long enough but a few things it list is that baptism is necessary for Salvation and you must keep the sacraments for Salvation. Even just those two are contradictory to what the Bible teaches so it is very different from what I believe. And it is very much a works Salvation although many will deny it. If you have any other questions please let me know.

Good fruit of saved person will produce a lot of amazing works.

Ireneus Justin Policarp "Pray as if everything depends on God, work as if everything depends on yourself". For the ability to have Faith in your belief is not acquired by your own merit but a gift from God. While good works also come from God, however, initiative through our will to choose to do works that are good. The "good" means what is done for God's greater glory alone. Thus, it is good works with faith that will save us.

@@ljkoh20052000able are you quoting St. Padre Pio?

Ireneus Justin Policarp St. Ignatius of Loyola.

Ireneus Justin Policarp My belief is different: *FAITH ALONE JUSTIFIES A PERSON; BUT JUSTIFICATION IS NOT THE COMPLETENESS OF SALVATION.*

salvation through faith and not by good works is the initial justification..... this is the unmerited Grace and a Free Gift of God that he gave us in Baptism and Faith... Example is Infant Baptism... The baby did not do anything...His Baptism is a free Grace and Gift of God that justifies him through the Faith of his parents, which is also a Free Gift for Faith is also a Free Gift of God to his parents... Ultimately, our initial Justification is by Grace Alone... Now we must work out our Salvation with fear and trembling and remain in the state of grace until the end as scripture says.... "( Philippians 2:12 ) Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling," and "(Romans 11: 21-22) For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off."

Marjorie Thomas Do you? So, friend why you believe what you believe?

@@mrs.redeemed3600 , faith is a gift , but it is not the only gift. Love is greater than faith (1 Cor. 13:13). The devils believe, but they don't love. So real belief in Jesus includes love, as the Church has always taught. (1 Cor. 13:2). True faith is an act of charity.

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@Detective Orion Fernandes good dont be like the Catholics

@@basecardcollector1698 you mean Jesus’ true church?

Amen!

@Callum Bazley Same here

That’s a pipe dream It will never happen

Amen. It is God's will for the flock to be One just as the Son and the Holy Spirit are one with the Father.

Reject fat king Henry's heresy.

Thankyou Fr Casey for this Information.

I am happy to hear that brother. I hope that someday, everyone will be in communion with Christ in one church. God bless!

@@alfonsovaldez2838 Amen, and triumphant.

Welcome home

God bless you.

Thanks! Glad it was helpful!

@@BreakingInTheHabit We are saved by grace alone. James says faith without works is useless. James is correct but the works do not get us into heaven, faith, and grace.

@@bcalvert321 That's Catholic theology my friend

@@crusaderACR And it is wrong.

@@MrKev1664 I don't agree with Catholicism

@@MrKev1664 I already have come to christ. I'm a protestant. He is with me. God bless you too.

@@MrKev1664 this is your opinion. I'm with Christ and love him. Stop dragging me away from the truth, God bless you I hope you find peace like I have.

@@MrKev1664 already called Catholic priests countless times contacted me I'm not a false believer stop being so stubborn goodnight

@@MrKev1664 I just looked up the passage you quoted, and as a student of the word the passage is not simply about obedience but an assurity of whom you are obeying. There is also a misstatement the passage is directly about the church. The passage in context is simply about obeying and honoring God. Now Matthew 16:17-19 is where some disagreement come into play. Catholics tend to use this as a justification for the office of pope yet many Protestants see it as the indication upon the testimony more than the person. As a former protestant bishop I do care enough to set some form of clarity and I hope you take better care to remain in Gods word(The Bible) and regular prayer.

Oversimplification of protestant doctorine. Only very certain calvinists believe there is no free will. Not all protestants.

@@steliosmitr8245 So did Martin Luther. He didnt believe in free will. He believed in predestination as Calvin. Their separate ideals were with the Pope and the Bishops. When you really study protestant beliefs, you get a sense they have deconstructed all that Christ set up.

@@steliosmitr8245 Re your "oversimplification ... Not all Protestants believe ..." Not all Protestants?! How many sects and denominations are there? I've seen the figure 40,000 on the Web --- but actually almost every Protestant has a particular belief system. So very very obviously, if we give detailed differences between RCs and non-RCs it's going to take a month of Sundays! Not very likely in the comments section of a YT vid. Meaning what you term as "over-simplification" can hardly be faulted in the given circumstance, especially the question of "FREE WILL".

@@hiltonchapman4844 Thank you.

@@rodneyroyal3089 We Catholics believe only a Catholic Priest can absolve one of sins. A minister wasn't given that authority to forgive sins.

this deserves more love

"May the force be with you" And also with you.

May the Force (Father) and His Eternal Heart (Son) and Spirit (Holy Spirit) be with you😇

@@dickymartinus1753 I believe that Rothschild is a Sith lord. He knows the satanic ways of the dark side.

If you call poop the grace God poop, yikes man. Brace yourself.

poop covered in snow - "You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean." Matthew 23:27 snow sprayed with poop - "All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags" Isaiah 64:6

@@theTavis01 Yeah basically that😂

@@irsshill4502 Naw, sin is the poop. God cleans it off of us

You could extend a hand to a few here and there but Lutherans among many other protestants have grown up with rumors, speculation and lies about Catholicism.

We have been extending a hand for decades watering down the faith to be more protestant and thats why we are losing people. Vatican 2 is borderline apostasy and filled with sacrelige

@@kodingkrusader2765 So true! However, in my opinion, you are being too nice with "borderline". Brother Casey, quite brilliant in philosophy and theology, still is a typical product of Vatican II. In a video he posted on the subject of Transubstantiation and "Why Protestants can't receive Holy Communion", often times he uses the word "Table" and never "Sacrifice": very telling. He is also in favour of receiving Communion "in the hand" and of the congregation drinking from the Cup. I understand he's walking on egg shells, but Catholicism has practically become Lutheranism with Vatican II. At the same time in the US Protestantism has further distanced it self from Lutheranism and even Calvinism with all the bizzarre myriads of "Christian" denominations that sprung from the "New awakening" movements of the 19th century. Therefore we've been chasing a very fast Hydra. Pathetic. I believe that a Catholic, even as recently as from the 18th century, would recognise and find himself more familiar with an Orthodox Divine Liturgy than with the modern "Mass" or whatever it is that it has become. I can not disagree with the Orthodox that call us Heresiarchs since, through our sins and arrogance, all kind of heresies have spread with the Reformation. I have great respect for the Orthodox Church that has not changed ever (Ecumenism = Anathema) but they do quarrel a lot over legalistic issues: see the recent reciprocal excommunication between the Patriarch Cyril of Moscow and His Holiness Bartholomew the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople New Roma over his granting Autocephaly to The Ukraine! It was a Mistake, but I feel sorry for the Patriarch of Constantinople bullied and ridiculed by Cyril. I also think the Orthodox were correct in arguing that Rome was wrong to add the "que" (Filioque) to the Nicene Creed (Changing a sigle word = Anathema). But that was done by the Pope at the time to combat Arianism which was rampant at the time in the West, and reinforce thus the Divinity of Christ. However, there were more underlining political reasons to the Great Schism (Freedom from a distant Emperor in Constantinople etc.) The funny thing is that I am an Italian Traditional Catholic, but also an atheist! :)) Nevertheless I am appalled to see what Catholicism has become. It basically abdicated and signed it's own death sentence. I find it sad that 2.000 years of tradition had to end this way.

Amen bro

So glad!

@@BreakingInTheHabit If you dont do sufficient works...will you go to Heaven anyway?

@@shihyuchu6753 The work of Christ is the only work sufficient for salvation. Anyone who attempts to be saved by anything other than the work of Christ will perish.

@@shihyuchu6753 As long as God gives you life, you should strive to become holier every day. There is no such thing as "enough". You have to keep going, and the only requirement is that you kept going all the way until the end. Basically: The day it is enough is when you die.

So true

How do you mean friend? It seems that Christ is saying he needs actions to be saved - I may have missed your point

@@rodgermilner7800 you are correct, I think that is what he means. Jesus instructs the Rich man that he has to "do" his part

Lol no

@@rayazsoman9893 if one were able to truly keep every single minutia of the law they would be saved, but no one is able to except for christ. that is what Jesus was teaching the man. he did not truly keep the commandments as he placed his wealth above God and thus broke the first commandment.

You know, I do agree with you, but that got me wondering why we haven't seen many similar explanations prior. It isn't like Brother Casey opened any secret book - this was all public, Church material. I'm guessing that people gravitate toward the bumper stickers (me included) because, well, they're bumper stickers - you don't have to work too hard with them.

@@paulmiller3469 I couldn't agree more with you! The amount of people that is not interested in truth (or at least in the whole truth) is dangerously high (me included). May we learn from Brother Casey that to live by the truth is to pursuit it with seriousness.

@@daviresende5059 Because it’s coming from a Catholic. If a Protestant says this (which 95% of them do) they are a heretic. I’ve been having a 5 day conversation with Catholics trying to convince them that we are saved by faith in Christ. They hate my guts.

Protestants reject at least half of Jesus's teachings. That's why outside the Church there is no salvation.

@@GeorgePenton-np9rh Yes they do, and they tried to eliminate many books of the NT too.. sad. And their tradition has got them, they are too stubborn to listen. They think Catholics are not even Christians. So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe-and shudder. Do you want to be shown, you senseless person, that faith apart from works is barren? Was not our ancestor Abraham justified by works when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was brought to completion by the works. Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness,” and he was called the friend of God. You see that a person is justified by works and *not by faith alone.* James 2:17‭-‬24 NRSV See? These verses alone destroys a huge traditional teaching of Protestants/Baptists. I think those that do not know, or didn't get the chance to know, will understand Jesus and Bible's teachings, and get saved... Lord bless you brother.

It's history, Jan Hus and Martin Luther both criticized the Church when there were priests selling forgiveness, the former was killed the latter started the Reformation and split the Church, something that had never actually been his intention. It's somewhat akin to Pandora's box. the thing is in Germany for example you can still see the split between Reformation and Counterreformation if you look at voting patterns etc. Luther's ideas came into an oppressed society. And people took his ideas further than he wanted to. Within 150 years, there were multiple wars, areas were split according to religion. If you lived in a Catholic city you had to be Catholic or move and vice versa. There were very few towns that allowed both confessions in the beginning. And the thing with correcting something wrong, there was another split form the Catholic Church in the 19th century when the pope was declared infallible - since then there are Altkatholiken (old Catholics) in Germany. Getting people to agree on one version of Christianity might be like trying to herd cats

@@monikabullmer8202 the church does need renewal throughout history as it is hunan nature to drift away from the truth and we need to be constantly brought to the essence of the Gospel. There are errors in many ways in all forns of Christianity. The solution is solid traditional teaching brought with a modern understanding of how that looks in our time, combined with holiness. Hokiness is the presence of God alive in a person - encountering Jesus' s life alive in another is profound. It is love alive. But truth without love builds rebellion. If you preach but don't live the life of Christ by not having a living prayer-life you can alienate people from the Gospel. Peace Sister 🙏

I don't believe ALL protestants teach OSAS.

Lol someone has never been in an (orthodox) calvinist church

As another former Protestant, some do, yes. The High Anglicans, High Lutheran’s and some Calvinist Presbyterians would be more in line with the Protestant opinion in this video. But the majority don’t teach that anymore. (Maybe you more traditionalist Protestants should come back home!)

Wes, you are referring to 'free grace theology' that is taught by groups such as Independent Baptists. It is not representative of historic Protestantism.

SomeoneVeryClever - literally every protestant church aside from the High church Anglican has taught these (back when I was protestant)

That reward will be in heaven. It has nothing to do with salvation.

@@bcalvert321 if it have nothing to do with salvation how will that person reach heaven ?

@@allanlawrence6444 Faith that Jesus is Lord and Savior. Works should come with that faith but it has nothing to do with Salvation itself. This is leftover penance the Catholics had for centuries.

Luther is stupid; you can not be righteous and a sinner at the same time, once you are justified that's it , totally cleared as though you never committed a sin. The Catholic guy is just as stupid, he says that after you are totally cleared of all sin guilt and charges, justified by the blood of Christ's Cross, that you need to be sanctified , which he equates with the removal of the root of sin. What do both positions do with the fact that Jesus "took away" the sin of the world John 1:29 We are saved by the grace of Christ through the faith of Christ AND THIS NOT OF YOURSELVES it is a gift of God. This guy is still talking about sin , which Jesus took away and justified us by His grace . Jesus doesn't need the faith you have in him , which he gave you anyway. He justified all men by His grace and His faith and when you realize this it will be because of the measure of faith he gives to each man Romans 12:3 All things rely on God's grace " A man can receive nothing unless it is given him from heaven " John 3:27 " faith rests on grace " Romans 4:16 " Jesus is the savior of all mankind, especially of those that believe " 1Timothy 4:10 " As in Adam all die, even so in Christ all will be made alive " 1Corinthians 15:22 Guy doesn't even know what sanctified means : it does not mean to remove sin " then what about the One whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world " John 10:36 did Jesus have some root of sin he needed removing? Numbers 7:1 records the tabernacle and its furnishings being sanctified , did inanimate objects have some root of sin to be removed ? No, the word means " to set apart " for a sacred service, God set Jesus apart for a service as He did the tabernacle and its objects of service. God set mankind apart for sacred service BEFORE he justified them; if He did not set them apart for salvation, how are they to be saved , lost walking blindly with no hope.

@@nevbillett7554 , you say: "you can not be righteous and a sinner at the same time, once you are justified that's it , totally cleared as though you never committed a sin." Is God a lier? We are clean from our past sins , but we still sin. That is why believers have to confess their sins to be washed away from mortal sins. God is truth and there is not any justification without sanctification. That is why the Catholic guy says that we all need to be sanctified. The blood of Christ justifies us and sanctifies us. Salvation (Justification and sanctification) is an on-going process. Salvation is NOT a past event as Luther thought. You are right when you say that saved ones were set apart for a sacred service. Protestantism misses the point at ignoring that "Love, (charity, agape) is the fulfilling of the law". Rom. 13:8-10. All we have to do is to receive Him ( receive HIs gifts, His works- no one is good except God alone , not rejecting them). Not rejecting Him. A man can receive nothing unless it is given him from heaven. The key is : God wants all men to be saved. Are we willing to receive His gifts? Are we willing to receive Him? "He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name" John 1:11-12 Some believe for a while . Are those totally cleared as though they never commited a sin? Jesus was very clear: "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." Mat.24:13 Shall be saved is future tense. Shall be saved is not past tense. Blessings

@@nevbillett7554 , you misunderstood the catholic guy. The Catholic guy said that believers are totally cleared of all sin guilt and charges. You seem to ignore believers keep sinning. the phrase “those who are sanctified” can be translated “those who are being sanctified” (as it is in the ESV translation). The present participle suggests that there is an ongoing application of the merits of Christ’s single offering, unlike the Old Testament sacrifices, which needed to be constantly repeated. Hebrews 10:10.14 can’t mean all future sins are automatically forgiven because the Bible elsewhere teaches that there are conditions for having our future sins forgiven. Consider, for example, Jesus’ teaching in the Our Father: “Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors” (Matt. 6:12). Jesus then gives us commentary: For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses (vv.14-15). According to Jesus, a condition for having our sins forgiven is that we forgive others. But by making reception of the forgiveness of sins conditional, it can’t possibly be true that our future sins are forgiven. What if we don’t forgive others in the future? Jesus seems to imply that it’s possible for a Christian to choose not to forgive his debtors and thus not be forgiven himself. If our future sins were already forgiven, then such hypotheticals would be unintelligible. Scripture tells it is possible to believe for a while. We must persevere believing Jesus. Blessings

@@Alfredo8059Jesus words are recorded before his cross. "Behold the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world " John 1: 29 Do you think the guy who wrote "As He is so are we in this world" was in a sinless state ?

@@Alfredo8059 God sent Jesus to save sinners/everyone , that was his mission. If he didn't save everyone Jesus would be a failure and the Father would be too as He would have failed to do His will 'that all men be saved' 1Timothy2:4 and He would be a liar because He repeatedly claims He will accomplish all that He wills Isaiah 46:10 Daniel 4:35 Ephesians 1:11 etc. Jesus is God (John 1:1) God is love (1John 4:8) Love NEVER fails 1Corinthians 13:8

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing ( good work) by the word of God. Rom 10:17. Protestants should realize: 1- that charity is neccesary for faith to justify ( 1 Cor. 13:2). 2- Protestants should not conflate our own works ( Eph. 2:9) and good works (Eph. 2:10). No one is good but God alone. Blessings

Would be curious to know if you agree with the statement that Protestants believe we are snow covered poop. I don’t know ANY protestant who thinks that way.

Who started the issue? I think it is wonderful that the Catholic church is always reaching out towards those who have started the Schisms. We are responsible of bringing back everybody into the ONE Fold which Jesus said is God's people.

For insaybtonyou faith without works is dead. Just like a body without soul is dead. Seems pretty clear to me thats the bible right there

@treno guerrero theyve been doing that for 2000 years now.

@@ilonkastille2993 the problem is catholocism is getting protestantized to bring them back. That is wrong. We need to not change the faith for others for the truth leads all souls

@@MrKev1664 another video i see you on. God bless you brother

So, as a former Baptist [first Independent Baptist, then Southern Baptist Convention] become Catholic, I learned there are a number of areas of difference between Baptist and Catholic theology. Your description of your understanding of 'salvation' is very typical of the Baptist's I was originally converted into and was baptized by: salvation is seen as a once for all occurrence which occurs at the moment of personal faith in the Christian Gospel - once 'salvation' has occurred, you slide over into the category of 'sanctification' where works follows from salvation. In the Catholic understanding of salvation, salvation is an umbrella term which includes God's whole plan that began at the creation of the universe; the sending of Christ into the world and his complete work of redemption: Christ's becoming man in the Incarnation, his sinless life on our behalf, his passion and death, his resurrection from the dead, and his ascension into heaven on our behalf; as well as, the descent of the Holy Spirit into the Church at Pentecost, and the Church as the 'body of Christ' on earth until the consummation of all things at the end of time. "Salvation" then, is our creation by God, our redemption in Christ, and our sanctification in the Holy Spirit through, with, and in the Church until the end of time. "Salvation" includes our regeneration / being 'born from above'; the forgiveness of our sins; our justification; AND our sanctification. Consequently 'salvation' isn't simply our subjective, personal participation in faith seen as a one time occurrence restricted only to our own personal appropriation of faith, but is God's plan of creating all things in love, redeeming them in Christ, and sanctifying them in the Holy Spirit: a PROCESS that includes not merely my own personal participation in salvation, but all of humanity's call to the same, and participation in becoming one with God in faith, hope, and love. Sanctification is that aspect of our salvation of becoming more and more progressively like God in our thoughts, in our words, and in our action; in bringing all things into conformity with the fulness of Christ.

Charity or love is the natural outcome of faith. Faith is a free gift from God. We are saved FIRST as Christ died for us while were sinners. Charity is to make this message of salvation known to others.

Yeah, but even Catholics know that God prefers to hear our confessions of sin, rather than hear us brag about our virtues.

Two errors to be avoided: (1) thinking that faith will save us without us doing good works and (2) thinking that faith isn't important, only conduct. The first error is the error of Protestants. The second error is the error of liberal Christians who have little or no faith, and/or who think Jesus is not that important. The true Catholic teaching is that BOTH faith AND good works are necessary for salvation. Faith without works is dead. Works without faith is also dead.

@@mcspankey4810 where in the Bible are good works described as "filthy rags". Our good works are a result of grace working within us with our cooperation, your view of a harsh God is not the merciful, tender and loving God of Catholic Christian theology.

Beautiful Spirit my bad, I didn’t mean to express our Lord in that manner.

@Yes No I agree.

Varying stages of grace sounds very Catholic. Catholics believe we are saved after receiving the sanctifying grace, that is not faith alone ( 1 Cor. 13:2). As to "Sola Scriptura" , every sola scriptura adherent claims perspicuity /clarity. Every sola scripture adherent claims that scripture is what his/her theology hinges on but there are some problems: "1-An ecclesiological problem with clarity is that it promotes a radical individualism that facilitates the splintering of the Christian community. If I believe that Scripture clearly teaches X, and the particular denomination, church, or theological system of which I call myself a member disagrees with X, I’ve got a problem. I can certainly try to persuade all the other members of the congregation that they are wrong and I’m right. Or I can find a different denomination, church, or theology that better aligns with my interpretation . . . or just establish my own! And that, as scholar Brad S. Gregory argues in his excellent book The Unintended Reformation, is exactly what happens. 2-Sociologically, perspicuity demands we think the worst of others and the best of ourselves. Anyone who disagrees over what the Bible plainly teaches must have a pretty serious problem, which is why Protestants since Luther and Calvin have accused their interpretive opponents of being sinners, deceived by the devil, or just downright stupid. Scripture is supposed to be clear, remember? Alternatively, perspicuity leads us to think ourselves righteous and wise, uniquely gifted by the Holy Spirit to declare what the Bible really and truly means. 3-There are also historical problems. It didn’t take long once Luther publicly rejected the Catholic Church for other European Christians to do the same, often in ways Luther found repellent and heretical. Thus began five centuries of Protestant debates over Scripture’s clear meaning, over not only what is necessary for salvation, but also just about everything else. Of self-identifying Protestants today, a minority hold to Luther’s teachings on salvation, let alone the rest of his theological system. Even within Calvinism there is intense debate over the essentials." (The problem with Interpreting your own Bible, by Casey Chalk , former Protestant)

@The Man With No Name he also said “let he who is without sin cast the first stone” and “take the beam out of your own eye so you will see well enough to take the speck out of your brother's eye”. “Therefore be ye perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect” is aspirational. Jesus knew man's sinfulness well

@The Man With No Name Jesus lived a very difficult life and death. He spent 40 days in the desert wrestling with the devil. If we can share in that suffering, even in the small way of wearing comfortable clothes, then that is a good thing. And it signals to the world that a holy person is here, someone who has devoted their whole life to God, someone you can approach for a shoulder to cry on, for council, to facilitate forgiveness by ensuring you are truly penitent. You boiling all that down into a Disney costume is unbelievably disrespectful. What is wrong with you being so hostile ? We are all believers here. Don’t get bent out of shape over some differences we have

@cuinn837 It is hard for Lutherans. Their belief system is engrained in them so deeply, it's like taking a rag from a dog with clinched teeth.

Intercession is like a letter of recommendation. You ask the saints to pray for you. You ask our Lady to pray for you. When one goes to college, how many go around asking their teachers for a letter of recommendation? Interceed for me is what they are asking. Same difference with the saints and Our Lady. We glorify God when we go to them. They did His will.

@ that's exactly what this video said Lutherans dO NOT believe in.

@Star Art You are a true Protestant. I love you! When you fill out a job application or you want to get into college, don't you ask for recommendations? Same with Mary and the saints. Think about it. It is sad that Martin Luther deprived you of the Truth of Christ. God bless you!

@Star Art Okay. Look at it this way; without the mother, you would not have been given the Son of God. Remember, Gabriel came to Mary and said, " Hail, full of grace." God sent the angel to say what He wanted to say to her. "Hail Mary, full of grace!". Don't ever worry about Mary overshadowing Jesus. Our Lady always brings you to Jesus. What happened at the wedding at Cana? Did Mary over shadow Jesus? No, she interceded for them. She told Jesus, "They have no wine." She said, "Do as He says." Does she utter any words of "me"? This is an example of intercession. Isn't it beautiful how God works?

Unfortunately, Luther was excommunicated before the council of Trent was actually held. He did desire for a council to be gathered on the issue, but was thrown out before having a say in it.

Would it be right to say that sanctification comes AFTER salvation? Like we further cement our being saved, after the fact, by continuing in the process of sanctification? (I'm trying to wrap my head around this)

@@ABB14-11 , Protestants are told that we are justified/"saved" by faith alone and then we are sanctified. That is un biblical. For the early Church fathers Scripture teaches that any justification/salvation that is not woven together with sanctification is not justification at all: "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" Titus 3:5. Washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost is sanctification. There is not any justification/ salvation before sanctification.

@@Alfredo8059 Oh thank you so much! I am so glad someone answered (after a year no less). It's still not clear to me though because I understand that noone earns salvation but my understanding is sanctification is a kind of "refinement/purification of the soul" so sanctification *after* being saved sort of solves the problem of Christian who accept Jesus but are still learning to walk the "righteous path". So, it's like, sanctification is not something you "do" but how you "respond" to God's grace. Am I making sense? I really need to understand this and would truly appreciate some more clarification. When I watch other videos on salvation it becomes a word salad to me and doesn't help me understand how to walk in the faith or understand my "new relationship" with God.

@@ABB14-11 , thank you for your kind answer. God's people are sanctified because they are set apart for God's special purposes in the world. There is not any justification apart from sanctification. We all Christians agree that sanctification is not something we do. Justification, salvation is not something we do, either. Good works are not our own works ( Eph. 2:10) . Justification/salvation/sanctification is something God alone does and al we must do is receive Him , believe and let God do. All we can do for salvation, justification, sanctification is to receive Him and let Him work . This is all Virgin Mary could do for salvation: "be it unto me according to thy word" Lc. 1:38 2) , receive Him and believe Him. ( see John 1:11-12). We believe salvation is through faith, but we believe that justifying faith consists of more than an individual's personal belief. For faith to be real it has to include the person's whole life. faith is both a gift and a grateful response to God's mercy/love. Justification/sanctification/salvation is a process that includes the person's whole life. Biblical justification is not, as Protestant teachers claim, an "extrinsic", "forensic" act of God's grace in which the "alien righteousness" of Christ is imputed to our souls. Rather, justification is a real, inward, intrinsic change that God works in our souls by His grace. Justification is not, as Protestant teachers claim, a legal fiction in which God merely imputes the grace of Christ to the soul of the one justified. While it is true that God does impute Christ's righteousness to us, His saving grace does far more. It actually accomplishes our regeneration and increase in holiness thereby and that is His work alone. We just let Him do. Neither salvation nor justification is a "one-moment-in-time" event as Protestants are told. We rightly say we have been saved (Eph. 2:8; 2 Tim. 1:9; Tit.3:5) , that we are being saved (1 Peter 1:8-9), and that when we enter into heavenly glory, we will be saved (Rom. 5:9-10;13:11; 1 Cor. 3:15;5:5; Phil.2:12). Salvation is a process that includes the person's whole life . Please, check Abraham's case, if justification was a one-time-event, then Abraham couldn't be or wouldn't be justified after obeying faith the first time ( Heb. 11:8) and he clearly was. Paul taught: "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" Rom. 6:16 Can some one obey as Abraham obeyed before receiving sanctification?

@@Alfredo8059 ok that makes a LOT of sense, thank you! It all fits better now. I guess the next thing I should learn os why does it seem like most Christians are no different than non-believers somehow. We still struggle and fall in the same ways moat of the time (except for the rate ‘conversion’ that is still often fragile). Thank you for the thoughtful response it was very thorough and clearly written.

mslay37 no Christian believed in Faith alone until Martin Lurther showed up. In fact the only place you will find the words Faith alone together in the whole bible is James 2:24 “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.”

George Ibrahim preaching to the choir guy. I said I grown up protestant, not that I still am. Protestantism is of the devil

mslay37 yeah I know I was just elaborating on the point. Now there are over 40000 different Protestant denominations who interpret the bible differently.

One should note that the Roman Pope after the joint declaration began issuing indulgences. He just did not charge cash for the indulgences.

There is still a problem. For Lutherans sanctification is indeed inevitable for a true believer, but salvation is not dependent on sanctification. For Catholics there is not any justification/salvation before sanctification: " because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation THROUGH SANCTIFICATION OF THE SPIRIT and belief of the truth" . Thess 2:13

@@observermoore7016 , indulgences are about love...Cash surely leads to abuse (sin of simony)

I thought Buddhist monks give up everything ?!?

@@jcxkzhgco3050 Although there is a rule to possess no more than seven items (a bowl, robes, a needle, etc), most possess more nowadays. Although there is a rule to possess no more than seven items, we can use what belongs to the community or what belongs to others provided they agree to it. The ideal is not to abandon belongings (that is a means) but to abandon afflictions and negative actions. Regarding ties with others, we are not supposed to be hermits, because we are supposed to depend on the lay community and interact with people. They support us by giving food, medicine, building lodgings, etc, and we uphold our vows (to be exemplar) and give the laity teachings. The ideal is to depend without being a burden, but to be a like a lamp in a dark world. Nowadays, there are monks who are hermits and grow food to be independent, even though it is against the rule. It happens a lot in China. But each predominantly Buddhist country developed its own ways of practicing the Way and emulating the life of the Buddha.

As much as I could understand Luther, it seems that he held an extreme view of faith which not even the early Church Fathers of Christianity taught. No future revelations supported his ideals, and his followers had no miracles to prove they came from God, while the Catholic Church has thousands upon thousands. His life turned very wordly after he left the Church with his newfound "discovery" on "Christ's teachings", and all his revolutionary works are violent, destructive, and his followers more so. Thousands of churches were burned down, thousands of beautiful artworks, pictures, and statues turned to rubble, and many Catholics were persecuted if not executed under the new name of Lutheranism - and we are supposed to look at Luther as a nice historical figure who brought clarity to the scriptures? We are supposed to remember him as being humble? There are few Catholics or Protestants when reading about the Protestant Revolution who are ignorant of the horrible character which Luther became after his so-called "awakening". It's not pretty and I wouldn't consider him as such a hero of God as better saints. His followers 400 years afterwards may be far nicer and more rational, but their beginnings still do not originate from Christ and the man who helped create the 40,000+ denominations today shows no signs of having learned anything from God. He could hardly be called a saint or a role model in his new faith because of his terrible lifestyle. He was fat - years of being a prominent theologian did not lessen his ego, and his new lifestyle did not lessen his animal appetites. He gained wealth, money, power and influence from the protection of wealthy barons who could safely plunder local churches and take the property under the ideas Luther presented where Churches should not have property where he used misquoted scripture to prove his point. He married a nun, breaking his vow of chastity and obedience at the same time. His sons and daughters all died terrible deaths (not a sign of peak health, here) and he had no future offspring afterwards. His leading city which he started his new faith in, Wittenburg (I believe), turned into a cesspool worse than all local cities of Germany; a place which he himself could not control (even when he tried) because of how little restraint (and moral example) he had. He started a revolution against the Catholic Church which he could not control. That does not sound like a man of God to me - not even by today's wordly standards. There is little doubt in my mind that Luther was humble of loving. You would have to have an enormous ego to reject the authority of Peter's successor, the Pope, and still more to claim the successor of Peter is false. I don't think Luther was called to the priesthood, or maybe the reason he joined was that he tried hiding something from his family. Either way, however you look at Luther, his theology and his moral doctrines were very poorly written when it comes to understanding free will, God's purpose of humanity, and Christ's sacrifice. And if you mess those things up, then there is a fine thread between reality and insanity. So if your intention would be to consider Luther as a smart theologian whose helpful witnesses brought thousands to a peaceful and meaningful religion, his personal life tells quite another story, and the persecutions started by him for hundreds of years afterwards speaks volumes for the origin of Luther's false beliefs. His religion is the farthest thing from "humble". His followers, living in peaceful modern America, may think fondly of him, but they don't know who he is. Nor his true legacy.

Justification is not an on-going process; sanctification is.

@@christopherskipp1525 ah, my bad. I seem to have missed that. Thank you.

Thanks for taking the time to share this thoughtful comment Jón. If you don’t mind me asking, what’s the difference between a confessional Lutheran and other groups of Lutherans?? Peace be with you.

Confessional Lutherans are those who use the Book of Concord as our confession of faith. This includes the 3 creed's, Apostles, Nicene and Athenasian ( if you don't know it it is based on Athanasius defense of the doctrine of the Trinity) The Augsburg Confession which was the Lutheran response when Charles V called his princes to Augsburg to give a written explanation of their beliefs and discuss unity. The RCC adhering princes never produced a written statement but did attend. The result was open war. The Book of Concord also contains the first version of Philip Melanchthon's apology to the Augsburg Confession, the Smallcald Articles, the Formula of Concord, and Luther's Small and Large Catechisms. Most confessional Lutherans have not read most of this but do know 2 of the Creeds (shared with the RCC) and were tought from the Small Catechism before becoming communicate members of their congregations. Other "Lutheran " denominations have deviated from this theology. For example the ELCA teaches that calling homosexuality a sin is itself a sin. The key doctrine of confessional Lutherans regarding the church is that Jesus is the head of the Church not any mere man and that all believers are members.

Slight tangent. Confessional Lutherans classify Christian denominations by their views on the Sacraments. We think that Catholics consider participation in the sacraments a work which earns merit and that there are 7. "Protestants " believe that the two sacraments are symbolic obedience of commands from Christ. Lutherans who do not consider ourselves "Protestant" believe that the 2 sacraments are gifts from God in which God gives us His grace. Confessional Lutherans believe that every word of Scripture is true and the sole authority of what we should believe. We do admit that interpretation is necessary to distinguish literal commands and teachings from figures of speech, parable and poetry. That is "the four corners of the Earth " does not mean that the Earth is flat and square but "This is my body " DOES mean that Christ's body and blood are physically present in the Lord's Supper. Non confessional "Lutherans " do not. An ELCA member told me that literal interpretation of the Bible is poison. Confessional Lutherans also accept that consulting previous opinions on the meaning of Scripture, such as Luther, Augustine and our pastors, is useful. To the degree of requiring agreement for membership in a congregation.

As a Christian can you explain your faith alone theory ?because I believe if you have faith and do nothing with that faith how can you Lead other's to christ ? Going out to tell others about christ is faith in action and action is works,,

May God open your eyes of understanding and may the Holy Spirit guide you to all truth.

If I was given just this video, I would probably go for Catholicism too. Examine more videos. Look into the Bob Wilkin and Grace Evangelical Society or the Free Grace movement. Faith alone is really enough. The importance of works is neither to achieve nor to prove your eternal salvation, but to receive a reward in the Kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 and the parable of the ten minas in Luke 19 are good passages in which believers without works are still saved or spared from the second death but suffer loss.

@@MarkusGhambari You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. James 2:19‭-‬21‭, ‬24 The sheeps and goats are seperated by their works: “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’ “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? Matthew 25:31‭-‬37 NKJV bible.com/bible/114/mat.25.31-37.NKJV You are not righteous because you believe. Even the demons believe. You are righteous because you fear God and to his will. There are many more passages that show this in the Bible. I'm a pentecostal believer, and I think that we can't do whatever we want and than just go to heaven because we "believe". God bless you Muhammad !

@po18guy then I suppose you're not going to heaven. Nice self-own

@Rodrick Evans We agree on the major things

@Rodrick Evans We have the same jesus we have the same new testment the same trinity, i am a catholic and i watch protestant apologestis like frank turek and ravi zackarias and i believe in the same things they believe.

@@juanfilip1899 yes, and ALL CHRISTIANS shall meet in Heaven because of what Christ has done for us. 😊

@@bonniesteinke6624 God bless you ❤️😊

@@juanfilip1899 “let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith” ✝️

Home? Did Christianity start in the 1500s?

@@zeektm1762 No, Lutheranism did. Talk to me again when you have even a faint idea what you’re prattling about.

Faith without works is dead. Just like a body without a soul. The belief (and im a protestant convert this is 100% true you can feel the grace) is that we can be saved by faith like jesus says. But the works is what fills us with grace to have the faith. I think thats the best way to explain it simply without oversimplifying. What i mean is almsgiving out of love grants grace to maintain faith and live a holy life. Same with penance.note you dont have to whip yourself or fast. Any kind of penance. Just like as a kid you did with your parents. Even just a couple extra prayers that night As a kid when i got in trouble id do little extra things to show inwas sorry on my own free will beyond my punishments. Same concept. Its more about how your mindset is. By voluntarily doing works you are opening your heart to grace which fuels your faith and your resistance to sin

Koding Krusader well said. As a life long Catholic, it always seems to me that whenever a Protestant dives deeper into theological issues and questions of the Christian faith and studies it’s origins, history and development they 9 times out of 10 end up converting. That’s not an exact percentage by any means it’s just an observation I’ve always tended to see with respect to Protestants, especially those here in the states. As Cardinal Newman famously wrote “ To live is to change, and to be perfect is to have changed often. To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.”

The world needs a sober understanding of the gospel of Jesus Christ, not even more "optimism" (which is in reality nothing more than hypocrisy)

Well part of the problem with Southern Baptists is they dont take a purely protestant perspective on salvation. They use four words to describe salvation which are Regeneration "or the new birth, is a work of God's grace whereby believers become new creatures in Christ Jesus. It is a change of heart wrought by the Holy Spirit through conviction of sin" Justification "God's gracious and full acquittal upon principles of His righteousness of all sinners who repent and believe in Christ. " Sanctification "the experience, beginning in regeneration, by which the believer is set apart to God's purposes, and is enabled to progress toward moral and spiritual maturity through the presence and power of the Holy Spirit dwelling in him." Glorification "the culmination of salvation and is the final blessed and abiding state of the redeemed." Do you see some overtones of the Catholic perspective that Breaking in the Habit shared even though the group is decidedly protestant?

I do see it. And i saw it then. The problem was ignorance of the Catholic position. I hold that aside from political differences, most honest protestants would be easily Catholic. Its far more compatible with scripture than ANY protestant sect that I have any familiarity with.

The very fact that Protestantism is divided into so many sects, even within each denomination, shows that Protestantism is not of God. When we read the New Testament do we find thousands of squabbling sects and denominations, or do we find one united and visible Church?

@@GeorgePenton-np9rh we actually find people who do things wrong or different in the letters

What does your last paragraph mean?

King James did a hack job on the Bible as well. What's your point? When in doubt, go find out what JESUS had to say on the subject.

God bless and keep you, D K, you are wrapped up in our heart's prayer .. the Holy Ghost shall indeed help you through this tough time, He understands and knows what you need, so do try to let Him lead you safely (that isn't always as easy as it sounds - I know).

May Jesus and Our Blessed mother help you through your tough time, sir! Saint Isaac Jogues pray for us!

funny but true. Germans do seem to have a fondness for scatological references, be it in humour or ,apparently, theology...

True that!

Nikolay Nikolov as protestants we agree an empty profession of faith is vain. James said even the demons believe. We as protestants believe it is truly the ones who do the will of the Father who have a place in heaven as Jesus said. But its not our works that saves us. Its Jesus the finish work of the cross that took away our sin. Its by grace we are saved and not of works. We simply see the function of works differently as they do not justify us or add any merit to our justification. It is the work of Christ that justifies us in which we receive with empty hands of faith. But salvation does more than this it is transformative as the will and desire of the heart has been converted and changed from the new birth. The truly converted lives a life of repentance and obedience as a result of being born again. We believe that u cannot separate justification and sanctification. We are not antinomians.

MrKev1664 i will say that the name once saved always saved can lead people to think that works play no part in salvation. I like the perseverance of the saints a better name for what we believe scripture teaches. Those who are truly saved continue in the faith in good works and repentance till the end. I do indeed believe that true disciples in Christ continue on in His word for Jesus said so. But my performance contributes no merit at all. Im saved by the blood alone. My sins are forever atoned for at the cross past present and future. When He said it was finished it truly was and my sin debt was paid and that is why i believe salvation cannot truly be lost if my Lord paid for it all. I rest on the finish work of the cross. I thank my Lord for that and my response to His love will be my love back to Him. Anyone who on the other hand who says i know Him but does not keep His commandments St. John says is a liar and the truth is not in him. God bless u as well.

Hi guys, as a protestant I think the main issue being misunderstood is thinking that justification is a result of sanctification, whereas I think the bible and particularly Paul's letters say the opposite is true. Romans 3 and 4 says the one who has faith's sins aren't "counted" to us by God but Christ's rightousnes is (4 verses 1-10). then in Romans 6 and 8 Paul talks about the difference being united to Jesus and empowered bybhis spirit will make: 8:1-9. the main problem I think with the Catholic position is that it may cause Catholics to "look down" on people for not being "sanctified enough" to be saved. leading to the kind if hypocrisy in Romans 2.

MrKev1664 your biblical commentary is really good thank you for your comment. I have struggled with this issue for years. In response I would agree that faith and repentance are not "one- off" events but continuous characteristics of the true believer who has been saved. the 1 John 1 passage you mentioned highlights this I think. He s certainly writing to Christians but seems to talk about two groups of people: those who "walk in the light" (I.e. are true transformed belivers): verse 7 & 9. and thsoe "who walk in darkness" and do not have the truth or his word in them: 6, 8 & 10. in love.

I think youre conflating "faith" with "belief". Faith is a matter of trust and fidelity, not a mere intellectual assent.

@@sjw5797 Faith and belief are not something you can see. The word belief in Greek is pistis, which means confidence or trust. In essence, the words are one and the same. When people have faith or a belief, it simply means they are convinced by the facts

@@derrengui I don't think they are the same. When they want to talk about a real faith they use the word 4102. And when James wants to talk about an intellectual belief he uses 4100. It's true they are basically the same but is the same in English. Intellectual belief vs spiritual belief. Faith is a belief.

Sara Molina You said real faith, so intellectual faith is not real? Does that mean a dead faith that James 2 mentioned is not real? If so, why did he compare a dead faith that is fake to a dead body that is real? Also, 4100 was also used for Abraham faith in James 2:23. Is that verse talking about Abraham fake faith and not a his real faith?

@@vtaylor21 I understand faith without works is dead. Meaning it doesn't count. So it's not real in the sense it doesn't matter if you have it or not. A dead body doesn't have spirit so it's worthless. Although you can see it and say it's real, it's just a piece of decaying flesh, is not a real human it's not a complete human. The same with "faith" without works it's not totally real. And you are right about 4100 my mistake.