If I was a new born Christian listening to Ps Ghoboza, to be honest I would be lost with no point of return! His theory makes our hope in salvation null & void... Indirectly he is saying our salvation is based on false prophecy... Because salvation came for the purpose of re-uniting man to God..
His theories are border line yams teachings of the Hebrew Isralite movement..they are invested in the Law and little bit of the new Testament...the dont embrace salvation at all. Do not be deceived. I pray he is not.
But bazalwane did we notice that the brother is really based on scripture, just that we are not used to accepting something new especially if our so beloved pastor have no clue of. You infact this teaching of Gobhozi in this subject takes me to the Jews, priests, pharisees be reject uKristu just because their imagination and interpretation of the law and prophets was incorrect.
@@tnroyalu that is true what you are saying but it not about that it about the information that you give to people. All the visions and warnings that the holy spirit gives about the coming of Jesus are a lie. he said "Matthew c16v27-28" that thing happened to the next chapter 17 verse 1. Asifundeni bafwethu sibuze yena uNkulunkulu uyena ozosho fundani and yekakuphi. Yazi kunabantu abangaboni at all but the holy spirit teaches them all these things including the coming of Christ. Ngo 2016 God wayiveza lento yokuthi usazobuya nathi we had the same problem but uNkulunkulu washo ukuthi noo these will happen. 2chronicles20v1 the whole chapter that is how we do it if udidekile go to him he will let you know and some of the things requires a prayer of a church not one man. Even Job did that he complained from c31 and God talked to him c38.
This proves that we Christians we don't study the word , we relied on the things we were told by people who themselves did not fully understand what they were talking about
I have listened to this episode many times. It took me 8 months to understand Royal Given. Royal Given is correct. We need to follow the argument and be sober. The key is the nature of the Christ's coming and the time line of the prophesy.
Wow.... Pastor Gobhozi thank you for enlightenment, I'm am provoked to study... I've always wondered why some things were not adding up as I studied bit now I believe I will have good understanding
Wow Pastor Fino you are very CLEAR AND STRAIGHT FORWARD and I hear your explanation based on the Word not with other philosophers who had their misleading interpretation . I am sad about child PASTOR Gobhozi he started right in his younger years as he said he received Christ at the age 7 but I think along the way growing he was deceived . He needs to RECEIVE CHRIST ONCE AGAIN and STOP being so ARGUMENTATIVE it doesn't help anyone . Saints let's PRAY for these SCHOLARS who seem to know even more than an ANSW3R ( BIBLE ) . He was robbed somewhere because of being inquisitive . I hate when all referrence goes to historians who has said this and that uninspired information NO HOLY SPIRIT in their teachings . May our Father in his unending mercy draw these scholars back to Christ again .Am worried because they continue teaching this CONFUSION to others . Wow what ground is shaken Pastor Gobhozi oh my God you are so much about yourself and your corrupt belief and your spirit cannot wait for others to explain themselves always INTERFERING UMOYA WABAPROFETHI UYATHOBELANA . The Word says WE NEED NOT ADD nor SUBTRACT from the Word . GOD DIED FOR SUCH IGNORANCE . Pastor Fino I like your spirit of submission and order STAY STRONG my brother
How i would love it if Ps Given would be succinct and concise in his answers. It’s one thing he can improve on, making his points. This has been an interesting topic but not done justice. Thanks to Ps Fino for trying to keep the conversation going
Its an interesting conversation, i am thinking maybe, just maybe Mfundisi Gobhozi if you use the Feasts of the Lord interpretation both Hebrew and Greek will point you to the expected 2nd coming of the Lord. When you ride on the meta-principles of scripture there is no way church history can overshadow the inspired word through different dispensations. Jesus is coming very soon, saints lets be ready , do not allow theologians to confuse you. Holy Spirit the greatest teacher!
The book of Revelation was written about 90-96 AD [most scholars agree] and the Destruction of the temple happened in 70 AD [most scholars agree]. Jesus clearly says in Revelation that, "I am coming soon". And Pst G. says Jesus 2nd coming was 70 AD. Someone help understand his point because I'm not getting it???
Akaze ngiybone iconversation econfuser kanje, neconfuser uMr Siba kanje, hhay shame cha Jesu andizi, ngizothatha as if akaze ngimlalele uMr Given ke la to be safe, hhay cha bakit Jesus.
They are not finishing their points without interrupting each other our host could have done better. bengifisa aphendule uPs Fino ngeZwi uthini uMat16. I am on his side by the way but PS Given goes further deep in the Word I have learnt a lot. Sbonge Cbalkool🙏🏽
When pastor Gobhozi speaks about the timeline, he actually means these words "... Where is the promise of his coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation." - 2 Peter 3:4-. Timeline means iskhathi okumele ngabe ubuye ngaso siphelile. But the Bible does speak about this timeline and Bible calls it SLACKNESS." The Lord is not slack concerning His promise as some count SLACKNESS (expired time-line), but is long-suffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 2:9.
Atleast we know that it is through Jesus Christ that we would enter the kingdom of heaven otherwise besizo faila sonke. Lo Bhuti ufunde Kakhulu uzodida abaningi......
Given iSDA iyakuhlupha my Boy..... the Bible said, when he is coming back all eyes shall see him... did jews see him, if they did, why are still denying him as a son of God???
"Work hard so you can present yourself to God and receive his approval. Be a good worker, one who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly explains the word of truth. Avoid worthless, foolish talk that only leads to more godless behavior. This kind of talk spreads like cancer, as in the case of Hymenaeus and Philetus. they have left the path of truth, claiming that the resurrection of the dead have already occurred, in this way, they have turned some people away from the truth" (2 Timothy 2:15-18). Be careful child of God that you are not turned away from the truth. Those who claim that the resurrection of the body have already taken place are in error. They have wandered from or left the way of the truth. If it was important for the apostle Paul to correct and combat this kind of teaching, means it must be essentially important for us as well not to entertain it. We must combat it as the church of God. For it is a serious offence in the Body of Christ as whole. Since it is capable of "spreading like cancer" (v.17) for mainly one purpose: to destroy the faith of many believers by "turning them away from the truth" (v.18). We should not take this false teaching lightly. But it must give us total confidence in preaching the Gospel of soon Coming Lord. For it is one of the sure signs before His Second Coming. Let us neither be surprised nor confused. This is a motivation to us to preach all the more until His blessed Return.
This is a very interesting topic. Please guys you need to tackle each event of the Second coming seperayely if this is to make sense: 1. The appearance of Christ in the sky (Matthew 24:30) 2. First resurrection (Revelation 20:6) 3. Devil is chained for a thousand years (Rev 20:2) 4. Satan is freed (Rev 20:7) 5. Death is no more (Rev 20:14) 6. New things (Rev 21)
Mark 9:1 doesn't speak about the coming of Christ but the Power of the Kindom of God. “And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.” - Mark 9:1 (KJV) “But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.” - Acts 1:8 (KJV) “And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.” - Luke 24:49 (KJV) “And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.” - Acts 2:2 (KJV)
What about this one? 🤔 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Matthew 16:28 KJV bible.com/bible/1/mat.16.28.KJV
@@bandilezungu9988 The power of the kingdom of God Luke 17 (KJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ²⁰ And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: ²¹ Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. “Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.” - John 14:17 (KJV)
@@bandilezungu9988 Apostle John saw Him coming in His Glory in a Vision Revelation 1 (KJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¹ The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: ² Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. ³ Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. John 21 (NKJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ²² Jesus said to him, "If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me." ²³ Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but, "If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?" ²⁴ This is the disciple who testifies of these things, and wrote these things; and we know that his testimony is true. ²⁵ And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.
Pastor Given, must answer this question.... If Christ came again in His glorious second coming, then WHERE ARE THE DEAD? Those who will be resurrected when Christ comes? Baphi ngoku, uYesu sele ebuyile Nkosi yam
I disagree because God had a plan for all people on earth- the temple of God was not build by hands. So the body of Christ (Church) is the complexity of His plan.
Pastor Gobhozi, in his closing remarks he misrepresented the history about the vision. He indicated that Ellen White had a vision about the return of Christ in 1974 and the group were called Millerites. It is untrue, Mr Miller was a Baptist church goer and a farmer who was reading the prophecy of Daniel and he calculated that the cleansing of the sanctuary was in 1844. Pastor Gobhozi must repent and ask the Holy Spirit to guide him, he seems to enjoy not to follow a crowd even if it is not necessary to do so. While this program is good, there is a risk that good debates may convince those who are weak in faith. The host must conclude by presenting the stand instead of leaving with viewers to decide what is right. Jesus is coming back again, the revelations tells us that he will wipe away our tears and there will be no need for light for the Lamb will be our light. Pastor Siba I think you must vet theology of your guests otherwise Satan may hijack your program to deceive millions of views. God bless
Ngilunge nolwazi lwe BIBLE ONLY olwama SCHOLARS NGIYALUBONGA . I so wish abantwana bethu bangayi kulezizikole they will destroy A GOOD FOUNDATION LAID BY PARENTS , SUNDAY SCHOOL TEACHERS AND PASTORS
Gobhozi is too much of a scholar I wonder how he exercises faith, We are not called to do a research on scriptures but to believe them as they are and not apply private interpretation to them. Gobhozi must stop applying research methodological approach on the Word Of God.
Kodwa ke umfundisi Gobhozi Ukhuluma iqiniso, the coming of the Messiah was promised to Israel ( Jews) and there is no such thing as a spiritual Israel. Uwodwa u Israel o physical
