Jesus is coming back again that all.... As a Christian I can't debate in such topic bcz is fairly clear n strength forward I won't be shift in believing that the lord is coming again.. Siyabonga babe dlamini.. Amen
He's not bias, he simply couldn't hide his convictions.The second coming of Christ is undeniably a core belief for most Christians. For Christians who believe in "futurism" as theologians put it, professing that Jesus Christ is not coming back is as detrimental as bluntly denying that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Let us consider this settled: that no one who has made progress in the school of Christ who does not joyfully await the day of death and final resurrection… Let us not hesitate to await the Lord’s coming, not only with longing, but also with groaning and sighs, as the happiest thing of all. He will come to us as Redeemer.
““Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.” So shall it be! Amen. “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”” Revelation 1:7-8 NIV To the ones who says Jesus is not coming the second time
In His coming the “last day”’ to which the Old Testament looked forward arrived, but they have not yet run their course; the Christian church is still living in this eschaton. Jesus’ first coming inaugurated it; His second coming will consummate it. The coming of Jesus was, therefore, the beginning of the end.
Brothers and sisters, the coming of Christ is near. The ultimate epiphany is just around the corner. If we think otherwise, we tragically impoverish our souls. Most Christians think little of Christ’s return, or if they do think about the day they will see Christ, they associate it with the day of their death. This is a proper hope, but death is not a pleasant thing, and thus the expectation of seeing Christ is mixed with a certain fear of the dark veil. But it is not so with His Second Coming. It is all joy! And that singular joy is meant to be a boon to our souls.
Great broadcast Ps Dlamini but I feel Ps Gobhozi was interrupted when trying to link scriptures. However it was great great session we enjoyed it thank you very much. 🙏
Very disappointing from bab uDlamini, even if you requesting te verse, there is a context that has to be established for an expression, but we still impressed and love the power hour. The wisdom and articulation from bab uShezi is exceptional
Jesus told Christians to pray for God's Kingdom to come and for His will to be done on earth as it is in heaven. God's Kingdom is a heavenly government ruled by Jesus Christ as King. Soon Jesus will make sure that God's Will is done on earth as it is in heaven. These are the last day's of man's rulership over man, Daniel 2:44. Jesus said that this good news of the Kingdom would be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come, Matthew 24:14. We must worship the Father with spirit and truth, John 4:22-24; John 17:3; Isaiah 42:8.
All we could ever imagine, could ever hope for, He is… He is the Prince of Peace whose first coming has already transformed society but whose second coming will forever establish justice and righteousness. All this, and infinitely more, alive in an impoverished baby in a barn. That is what Christmas means - to find in a place where you would least expect to find anything you want, everything you could ever want.
The center of Christianity is the coming of the Son of God into the world as a real man to destroy the works of the devil and create a new people for His own glory. The very heart of our faith is that He did this by obeying the law of God, dying for the sins of His people, rising victorious over death, ascending to God’s right hand with all His enemies under his feet. The second coming of Christ is the completion of His saving work. If you take it away, the whole fabric of His saving work unravels.
Even if we differ on certain aspects of the debate. BUT lets not let our differences send a wrong messages to the saints and unbelievers. The Facilitator must try to be neutral at all times and not be sensational.
Interesting topic, that I suggest to be discussed, base on what was highlighted by Mr Goboza "WHO ARE THE REAL ISRAELITES OR JEWS ) Mr Goboza mentioned on the first episode or second episode, were he said those Jews in Jerusalem are not real Jews
Between the two comings of Jesus, believers experience what is often called the tension between the already and the not yet. Jesus’ followers can look back and see that D-day, the decisive strike, has already occurred and now guarantees thorough defeat of the enemy. Nevertheless, the time after the first coming and before the second coming involves ongoing warfare with the spiritual forces of darkness and their terrestrial supporters. V-day has not yet arrived, and so the potential for setbacks and defeats still exists. All too often, God’s people succumb to temptation and score a victory for the enemies of God. Still, the decisive strike at the first coming of Jesus guarantees ultimate victory at the second, and Jesus’ followers fight the good fight with assurance that God who has begun a good work at the first coming of Jesus will bring it to completion at the second.
A Philosopher may not necessarily be a Christian but can exceptionally articulate and exposite the bible because he reads sources beyond the bible, THAT IS WHAT I AM OBSERVING IN THIS DEBATE. We cannot ignore the fact that the bible itself was modified several times by the Bishops in coucils such as the first council of Nicaea in 325 where they came with the Nicene Creed which affirms the christian belief in the trinity because Arianism was seen as a threat and spreading rapidly which turned out that all those who were followers of Arian were killed and books burned to deter the opposition. And that is history which is not in the bible. So to say one must be confined only in the bible and ignore how concepts were incorporated into the bible by making inferences is narrowmindedness. Gobhozi is a scholar hence most of what he say is offensive to others but I believe he is not making up theories. And the host must not be emotional, and stop prejudising the guest imply because what is said is a taboo to him, otherwise what is the point of inviting someone to the show unless you want to humiliate them. We the audience must judge what to accept as truth and what to reject. He must facilitate the debate and not participate in it.
Siba you being unfair to Given the bible have said a lot of times that some of the things are not in the bible you find them in other books why is that an issue if Given is not quoting the bible because the bible does point things outside bible
As abazalwane we need to respect ,but also follow the argument. It is very difficult to change the belief based on the scripture. Generally the lie sounds truthful if it is repeated many times. Ngempela ngempela we need to check the original text. Before anyone argues on the issue, one must do his homework. One of the panelist is still saying what is not in the bible, there is no rapture in the bible, there is no second coming. Check the timeline, follow the argument…Mathew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13.. If I was the adjudicator in the debate I would give them 30%, 75%, 85% respectively.
The whole truth is not found in the scriptures but on the Holy Spirit, be His friend and He will reveal everything. Don't forget to watch The Narrow Gate channel with Sister Musandiwa uzofunda okuningi mayelana nobungcwele nokunye okuningi.
Sibalkhulu ubungamnika ithuba uGobhozi alande ngankolelo yakhe. Ubungamnika ithuba amise i-argument yakhe kuqala before ubuze i-verse. Akukho i-verse elikhuluma about the Trinity but we believe in the Trinity. So your question ngokwami ayinawo umumo nikeza uGobhozi ithuba with argument. I do believe in the second coming by the way. It's a teaching esiyitholayo ezwini ayiphikeki. But It would've been worthwhile kuthina ukuthi simuzwe iGobhozi.
I wonder how Mr Shezi differentiate Matthew 24 and Revelation, and how many comings of Christ does the scripture talks about in the New Covenant since he admits that Christ came to judge the Jews according to Matthew 24? 🤔
SEQUENCE OF EVENTS: 1. Rapture, 2. Tribulation, 3. Judgment, etc. It's not entirely true that the saints will miss tribulation. Please take time to read Daniel's vision with particular attention to passages around "As I watched, this horn was waging war against the saints and *prevailing* against them" [Daniel 7:21]. This informs us that this all-seeing and arrogant horn spoke against the saints and was more powerful and imposing. Not only that, but also that it had an upper hand that forced the saints to obey, or else! This went on until The Ancient of Days INTERVENED to rule in favour of us [saints]. Therefore, the saints do get a bit of imihuzuko from tribulation, but escape narrowly.
Preach the word in season or out of season. Inamandla lento , however Dlamini as a host should try to be neutral. His bias is too evident even when their defence is questionable
I think this conversation is above Bishop Mkhize, he cant rightly divided the word... I think next week we should have appstle shezi and pastor Gobhozi, they are building us...
Lithi izwi "then the Son of Man will appear in heaven..." Matthew 24 :30- lokho akukenzeki, "... and then ALL THE TRIBES OF EARTH WILL MOURN..." lokho futhi akukenzeki lapho ALL THE TRIBES OF EARTH bekhala khona ngoba sebebona leli qiniso, liqhuba lithi... 'they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.' nalokho akukenzeki futhi. Again we cannot say that was metaphoric because abafundi baka Jesu bambona ekhuphuka ngamafu lapha ku Acts 1: 10 bese ithi ingelosi ku verse 11 njengoba nimbona ekhuphuka ngamafu nokubuya kwakhe kuyobanjalo, meaning uzobuya ngamafu exactly as Matthew 24 said. Now angeke umfundisi uGobhozi athi babebona e metaphoric thing abafundi baka Jesu. Again lithi Bible akekho no one knows the Day or Hour, manje akakwazi ubaba uGobhozi yena yedwa azi ukuthi sekwenzekule lokho. Liphinde lithi Bible umhlaba nezulu kuzodlula, manje mabethi abafundisi sekwenzeka lokho kungani silokhu silapha emhlabeni nah? Cha mfundisi Gobhozi ngikuhlinipha kakhulu kodwa kulokhu cha awusho zona mfundisi wami, ukhumbule lithi izwi mhla ebuya kuyoba njenge lightning, wonke amehlo ayokumbona akekho oyotshela omunye njengonyazi olukhanya empumalanga kushaye entshonalanga. Manje akakwazi ukubonwa abantu abambalwa bese sithi usebuyile AMEN.
Why there must be a Second Coming: 1. Jesus must return because the promise of God demands it. 2. The claims of Christ Himself demand it. 3. The testimony of the Holy Spirit demands it. 4. The future of the church demands it. 5. The corruption of the world demands it. 6. Jesus must come because the covenant He made with Israel demands it. 7. The vindication of Christ Himself demands His return. 8. The judgment of Satan demands His coming. 9. The hope of believers demands it. 10 The groaning of the whole creation demands it.
I host yethu isiyaphambuka yenza singasayi enjoyi this debates stop being biased sir gobhozi I quoting from the scripture if ucikwa umlando u wontt get relavant unswer NOTHING BUT THE BIBLE.NOT IMCABANGO YETHU
Now I remember Pastor Given Mgobhozi on Facebook sharing a theory I had a problem with. Good arguments [scriptural] were made by various participants, but of note, were shouts [from followers, probably] calling out on anyone challenging their pastor's sermon. I recall someone binding the 'Unteachable Spirit' if the comment goes against their pulpit. Sad story.
The Second Coming of Jesus Christ is a cardinal doctrine of the Christian faith. It is not minor, it is not unimportant, it is not secondary or tertiary, it is critical. It is a substantial reality in our faith. In fact, in some ways the Second Coming of Jesus Christ is the most important of events because it’s the end of the story, because the Second Coming consummates everything, everything. To minimize the Second Coming is to minimize everything else because this is the finale, the culmination. His return consummates the history of the world and the history of redemption and the fulfillment of all God’s pledges and promises and covenants and threats and warnings. All blessing and all judgment in its final disposition is connected with the coming of Jesus Christ. World history seems sometimes to be careening sort of helter-skelter, pell-mell into blackness, sort of uncontrolled. But that is not the case. While men’s behavior becomes less and less controlled, the very movement of history is under the sovereign control of God, who is moving it inexorably, exactly to the point which He has predetermined, and that is the return of Jesus Christ.
I might not agree with everything but Ps Given was not allowed time to finish any point yet I was learning a lot I wish he was allowed to be a guest like others and the host to host without investing his feelings this much☹️ cishe yamosheka lento
Dlamini had to do what he did, I believe ordinary Christians are asking the same question, whether it is metaphors or what, the question is, has it happened that Jesus came with a cloud, if this is a metaphor, still can give scriptures of which events recorded in the bible were metaphorically referred to, which verse supports that. Ps Gobhozi does not have scriptural support but historical.
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ijGdYSPe9hU.html i watched enyi video(link attached) and yangibekela kwacaca ukuthi yini eyenzekalayo kule episode nokuthi each Pastor ukholelwa kuyiphi theology, however mina i believe in Pre-millennium
Its true the Bible is not the true words of the apostle...firstly its the romans that named the son of God...secondly the spirit of god can only testify in truth..so if the son of God name is not Jesus how can the spirit release truth of power of God...man you have a lot to learn.
I think uDlamini is being childish uma ethi ufuna ivesa la kuvela khona uJesu ebuya ngamafu. Even in the future uma engabuya I don't think kuyoba khona ivesi fromm the same Bible that we read. That event will only be recorded in History
There are verses that proves the second coming of Christ but there are not verses that proves that Jesus has come back but I hear Baba Gobhozi trying to interpret scriptures without showing the verses that are straight forward with what he believes…I think Mr Gobhozi is trying to share his opinions as facts which is wrong because they have no evidence and proof.I think he needs to go and do more research and come back back with a solid evidence.🙏
Ps Dlamini is really victimising u Ps Gobhozi it’s really shameful. Ps Dlamini you are a bully. I personally don’t agree with Gobhozi’s conclusion but even I can’t tolerate the bullying
And again ukhiye wayo yonke lento usencwadini yeSambulo 20 and 21. You can never draw a conclusion without explaining those two chapters. And fortunately the book of Revelation provides timelines.
Jesus is coming back again that all.... As a Christian I can't debate in such topic bcz is fairly clear n strength forward I won't be shift in believing that the lord is coming again.. Siyabonga babe dlamini.. Amen
