Not really. It's getting over hyped. Could happen to any electronics with LM in a vertical orientation. The percentage of failure is low enough that we usually accept it for the convince, function, or other advantages.
i don´t think it is a problem. Ony if u damage the PS5. normaly u can use your PS5 for 10 years without changing anything because of lm, only cleaning the fans and that is easy reachable for everyone.
How long are your game sessions? Is your console in an open space? Is your console in standby mode? Do you keep your room hot? Will the heat the console produces eventually wear out the parts? These questions need to be answered....
@@mrglass7133 I know I try to keep my room cool I gaming for 2 hour and take a 1 hour break then game for a like 3 hour and turn off my ps5 for the night 🌙
@patstar3808 here's the info! Horizontal is 100% the best! My vertical one is newer yet stops working every few months, lol it needs cleaning 😅 as it's vertical it's pulling in dust higher up in the room. With no filter (an air filter with no filter 🤪) , I have not had to clean the horizontal one, + it's a year older. Even if there was no liquid metal involved, horizontal is the best. Hope this helps!
@itzjusttj1188 Don't understand what that has to do with the subject? Also, the face at the end?. If you can clear that up, then I will be more than happy to let you know 👍.
2 of the most common reasons for the Liquid Metal to start leaking off the APU: - Defective console from the factory - The person who brought the PS5 voided the warranty by getting into the guts of the PS5, removed the heat sink then reinstalled it without the proper mounting pressure and then proceeded to put the console vertically.
Yes of Course, because the ps5 didn't have any problems after the Release at all. Only the launch problems The PS5 Randomly Uninstalled Disc Games. PS4 Games Are Unplayable on PS5. Dual Sense Stick Drifting. Overheating. DualSense Controller Not Working. PS5 System Crashing. PS5 Power Issues. Bricking in Rest Mode. And the list goes on and on.
Sony designed it to stand vertically, to begin with, so I don't think there is much to panic about. Also, keep in mind that they are warehoused and transported vertically in their boxes stacked on skids right from the start.
My PS5 is in Vertical position since 2 years now, absolutely no problem. Do not forget PS5 are in vertical position inside their boxes during transport, where there is way more vibrations. So if this problem would happen, it would happen almost immediately when you buy your PS5.
yeah, but the moving lm is mainly while the PS5 is running games (while it is hot). But i think u have to damage the PS5 that the protectors move inside. And as long your PS5 stays safe (not reachable for animals or kids) it should not happen. It is overblown, i think
@@Da-iken yes I agree about temperature effect, but realistacly, this is not modifilying dramaticaly the property of liquid metal, so it really minimal, and this cannot 100% explain a failure.
Also the area outside the APU has a sponge to absorb any stray LM. It would be extremely unlucky for the LM to soak through to the components underneath. I notice in breakdown videos there is also a fair amount of LM on the APU and some spillage onto the sponge. I did see one video of a repair where the LM coverage of the APU left a dry spot on one side so it could definitely be an issue. Owned my PS5 for nearly two years in the vertical position and no issues thus far.
The liquid metal will obviously not spill if the console hasn't been used.. it's been 2 years for you so you won't know it until you've opened it, maybe it's a mess in there and you just haven't noticed it yet. Keep it horizontall unless you want to damage it permamently.
I've had mine vertical for the past few years I've now got it horizontal and will be looking at what happens to it, had no problems so far so no idea on my end 😅 got warranty anyway so I know I'm ok for a while, video helped alot. Thank u! 😎👍
It is mostly designed to be in the vertical position. Even though it might suck in a ton of dust, it's more likely to have it in a well ventilated area and with a decent room and constant room temperature (69°F or 71°F) which is the temp I use and the console remains silent.
I have been using my PS5 Digital in the vertical position since I've had it. I haven't had any issues at all. Now I have it in the horizontal position and I'm hoping for the best.
The problem only really seems to occur in consoles that have been opened and repaired. The RU-vidr that brought this to people's attention has already stated it's not reoccurring problem
This is not true. My husband's ps5 has not been opened, and his started shutting down. It has been vertical since out of the box, but now we lay it horizontally, and it no longer shuts itself off.
Good to know! I actually don't have a suitable space to store the ps5 vertically, so it sits horizontal for me anyway but it's useful to know these things, like if I move house or something. With regards to airflow, I have about half an inch of space above and below the ps5 to allow some air to pass through, I haven't noticed any heat issues as of yet but my room is always freezing because I'm weird and like it this way lol. I'm sure this helps though, as my pc also rarely gets too hot in this room.
I think you right ps5 been out for 2 year now we hearing about this problem just a click bait thing Now i see all RU-vid about it now in all of them got they ps5 stand up why they not having problem with it they will be the first to tell people
@@BigJugsRule92 the source is a console repair shop. With evidence recently That is not clickbait. You think Sony or any company would admit to the customer that it's a design flaw, rather than just bad luck?? If they admitted issue just once that's a class action from Upton 30 million people they would be guaranteed to lose. We will see over the next year or so (now most are outside warranty how bad it actually is, as more will go to third party for repairs
@@ac1dflare937 yes they would admit it if it was an a actual design flaw, because they would have no choice. Microsoft did it with the 360 red ring of death.
Got my ps5 in March 2021. Used it horizontal for a yr when I first got it and it's been vertical for about a yr. No problems whatsoever. I also have a series x so they both get about equal play. They said the same thing about rest mode. Never had a problem using rest mode. I also have the 2tb sn850 heatsink. I'm not worried lol
I've got myself a PS5 God Of War bundle this weekend. It's the latest model (1200 series), so not sure if this helps at all? The design inside is different than the launch (1000) and 1100 models, and you can tell as its way lighter than my launch model i got. For the record though, mines vertical.
I agree with you I've been using my ps5 horizontally but I decided change my setup and make it vertical then few hours into a game I got an overheating message and I decided to tear the whole thing down and I saw the liquid metal had washed off the ACU
I keep it vertical and the liquid metal applied is a very thin layer and under compression from heat sink so very unlikely it will seep out plus I think it's enclosed on the dye etc maybe if one moves it around like transporting it to other places like friends place might cause issues
Correct. I took mine apart after hearing this. I got mine on launch 2 years ago. It has been in vertical this ENTIRE time. I have NO leaking. And honestly this is not a story worth covering. In my opinion
If its leaking liquid metal then I'd say it's a design flaw because there should be enough contact pressure to avoid that entirely. Also they should have put conformal coating around any adjacent IC's or other sensitive parts to allow for overspill when applying the cooler to the die. When we thermal paste a GPU with liquid metal this is precisely what we do to make it safer. I wouldn't use it anyway personally. I did it once and it basically cold welded the cooler to my CPU IHS and I was damn lucky to get it off without damaging the socket or pins. I run my PS5 horizontal anyway cause my TV cabinet fits it nicely that way.
The failure examples have the LM spilling across half the motherboard. The problem is Sony actually has the chip sitting in a POOL of gallium, they don't bother trying to measure the correct application at all and instead just took the nuclear approach.
@@GameslordXY Differences between Gallium and Water are irrelevant. When the seal failed on the bad PS5 he got a river of liquid metal running across the motherboard.
Thanks for the video,I have my ps5 in a vertical position for over a year now and still works perfectly fine ., but because of this lingering issues that became like a bushfire on the internet, I decided to placed it on a horizontal position,but the problem is the space. I placed it under my tv which is big enough as it was intended for it and accomodated my ps4 and pc printer before,, but because of ps5 shear size, the heat was overwhelming thus I decided to put it back to vertical.
Marcus, hi ☺️ and I'm more interested in another question. I noticed on your PS5 a panel with holes on the sides. Tell me about them. Are they good and cool the console as needed? I bought the same ones, but it seems to me that the air comes out of these holes and does not cool what is heated below. Thanks for the reply. You're the best ❤️
I’m using it vertically because I really don’t like it placed horizontally and furthermore it would occupy too much space. If the company is serious it should replace failed ps5 if they fail for the Liquid Metal issue even out of warranty (I’ve got my MacBook Pro screen replaced for free after 4 years because there was a known issue to the film layer above the display). Btw, let’s hope it will work fine vertically, maybe the people who experienced the problems used them without proper ventilation or for much more hours than me and triggered the problem.. who knows.
I heard by a repair guy. Standing it up isn't a problem @ all. He said just don't knock it over while in use. That would be the only issue. & keep good air flow for system
I guess just to be safe you can put it horizontally, as Sony has confirmed we can put our PS5 horizontally too, But if your PS5 have less ventilation space when put horizontally i guess then just keep it vertically because this is a super rare issue where as cramped PS5 getting overheating is a well known and confirmed one
I have been using my PS5 for over a year now without any overheating issues in the vertical position. But I'll probably switch to horizontal position just as a pre caution. It will be interesting to hear if Sony will make a statement on this. I haven't opened my PS5 yet to see if the liquid metal has leaked out but I'm definitely thinking about checking it.
@@waterboy4081 it’s not debunked my dude. It’s literally an issues. However it might not be as big of an issue that everyone is making it seem to be. It’s nice to be aware of things that can potentially happen.
@@robertswartz6113 it actually kind of is. It’s very rare to happen. You literally have to drop your ps5 or use blunt force to crack the seal. If it does leak, the sponge sucks it all up.
i kinda hit my ps5 but not with blunt force lol it just moved to the side n was kinda worried but its still running fine no problems yet was kinda tripping tho cuz i got mad n lashed out lol.
@@locuscuztheyfocuse4581 yeah, there is absolutely nothing to worry about. The only way it would leak is if you opened up the internals of your ps5 and damaged the seal. Opening the ps5 covers don’t count as opening up the ps5 so you should be fine.
So far I had it stand for couple months don’t use it much now it’s horizontal and I use it here and there and we’ll no issues tbh but I’m keeping it horizontal never know something so expensive to just break up not cool have a great Saturday everyone 😌✌🏼
The point is that not everyone could be able to afford buying a new PS5, and from what I know the warranty is limited and won't cover such an issue. Horizontal position to be on the safe side.
Had my PS5 vertically for about a year - that's the intended design as fas as I know. I don't think that we have to worry about the PS5 "slowly" dying. Either the seal is broken or not. Of course this could happen during shipping but then your PS5 will be dead on arrival since liquid metal would short the motherboard instantly. If your PS5 worked after you picked it up and you didn't throw it around, I wouldn't worry honestly. I am not an expert though, just my two cents on the topic... Keep up the great work, love your channel!
Thats a nice idea but not based unfortunately in reality. The red ring of death is a perfect comparison the issue occurred over time due to heat expansion and shrinking during cooling. A liny leak would can take months if not years to leak enough to cause damage but it will happen. Will it affect every PS5 at some point hopefully (and likely) not. Will more come out now there are more outside warranty repair, highly likely. The question is how many and if it's a tolerance issue of manufacture (random cockup) or a design flaw which could lead to a class action lawsuit.
@@ac1dflare937 While I agree to some extent (especially the last bit), I wouldn’t exactly compare the Red Ring of Death with this issue. RROD was caused by tiny tiny solder balls between the GPU and the interposer expanding and shrinking. First of all, these solder balls are exposed to much higher temperature differences. Secondly, they have way lower tolerances than a liquid metal seal. Either way, let’s hope that this problem is only affecting a few consoles and will not become a widespread issue.
Side note: You have the perfect accent to say “liquid metal” a bunch of times. When you said cooler I had a legit flashback to Batman and Robin’s “you are not sending me to the cooler”.
Thanks for that 😁 I am trying my very best but because 99,99% of my videos are free speech (not scripted) , sometimes I am messing up my English. I had times where a 10 minute video took me 2 hours to record because of pronunciation mistakes. I don't care anymore about this but learning from my video when I am watching it and I am just thinking what the hell I just said? 😁
I have heard that using it horizontal will chew the edges of disk up if you leave them in for extended periods of time… I used to have mine horizontally because I actually like the looks of it but I had to go vertical when I got a bigger tv.
Here’s my take on this… so I bought my 2022 model in December and I’ve been playing it for hours nearly every day running it and keep on checking on how the heat is managing compared to my ps4 pro I traded in for a PS5 disc model at Eb Games (Aus) and huge difference so far is cooling, graphics, ect your basic stuff and so far running it a lot of the time I would’ve had the problem and there would’ve been a recall if it was an entirely huge problem as why would it come around in 2023 unless the 2020 models have been flawed and they’ve been improving on the design of the current model to well improve it as the same with the duel sense as I heard that the 2020 model ones were subjective to issues like stick drift and terrible battery life, ect but companies over time improve their models without us knowing unless we check the model serial numbers, i can understand the liquid metal but it shouldn’t be leaking through when it would be so tight within its chamber to keep it compressed and tight to eliminate the potential on possible issues, I’m no tech geek or anything but I’ve been around enough to know but if the marketing gives you the option to not only put it Vertical or Horizontal especially the years of it being under development with constant testing makes it look like a fear monger or could even be that some of the consoles in the factory would’ve had a small amount of units like 1000 maybe more or less but like I said over time like the 2022 and beyond models will have factory improvements without us really looking into it unless we’re a tech channel who does deep dives into this. I may sound stupid to some or most people but that’s my opinion.
100% agree, I believe it is just click bait RU-vidrs trying to make money. Content creators are getting more and more dishonest these days trying to get clicks to increase their revenue and running dodgy as adverts.
Well I just bought the CFI 1215 Ragnarok Bundle. I am not worried about keeping my system vertical because I bet this only applies to a small amount of launch model PS5 consoles.
I usually put a cover on my ps5 cos I’m scared of dust (even tho I clean it often) One time i forgot to take it off while I was playing Gow and by the time I realized the system was pretty hot so maybe I’m lucky or this might not be as widespread as some people are making it out to be but just to be safe I’m gonna go horizontal until I know for sure
Logically the physics on the Liquid Metal benefit from being horizontal, I thought this when it came out and just put it horizontally. Liquids drain downwards, when it’s vertical that means over the board downwards, when horizontal it means it stays in place simple as.
I just got my ps5 maybe 4 months ago been using it vertically, i guess I’m switching to horizontal for now. I don’t really have a preference I got enough room to go horizontal so it’s not that big of a deal for me, let’s just hope it’s not already too late.
I read the headlines about this issues and 2 days later my PS5 shut off abruptly. I had it sitting vertical since the first month of its release and it's now having to be repaired.
I used to have it horizontal then changed my tv stand so now it's vertical. Iv fitted darkplates 2.0 and have additional cooling fans in the cabinet. I'm hoping that should help.
Or you can bring it to the authorised service to check things and deal with the problem IF it exists and continue enjoying your PS5 in vertical position.
@@XiLock_Alotx Exactly. But Sony was experimenting for 2 years to find safest way to contain liquid metal. Off course it is possible to overlook something,but I doubt that happened. I have seen a video recently where dude decided to compared 2 PS5s,1 with LM and the other with him applying Thermal Paste. That place where LM is stored...I have difficulties to imagine HOW that could possibly leak without heavily abusing the console.
A few months back they were saying horizontally was a problem, now it’s vertical 😂😂 I’ve had it since Day 1 November 12th 2020 vertically and no problems!!!
I’d like to know the user case scenario for these console that are having leaking issues. Such as… are they completely stationary and never moved? Are they constantly jostled around and taken to and from location to location? There is a lot of variability here that should be polled and addressed as well.
Especially if you own the disc version I would think the machine would spin the disc with less stress with the system flat than standing up right? At least I always thought this way since the PS2 days as well✌🏼
Is this with the older models or the newer models , I don't use mine very much but I use it vertically with a docking station and a cooling fan when I do. However I really haven't used the fans. I'd love more info because I fwnt just go out wjd buy another ps5 lol.
I have exactly the same space problem with the PS5 in the horizontal position. I've been using the PS5 in the vertical position for 3 years without any problems. Due to the large design and shape, vertical positioning is only possible, but with concerns
I got a digital edition ps5 early january and bought a horizontal cooling stand that charges my controllers and has cooling fans seems like I made the right choice. takes up more room this way but thats ok
had mine since launch its still fine had, it vertical on the stand and I use it frequently now that all of a sudden some design flaw or technical flaw surfaced after two years so now its a big deal. kinda reminds of the red ring ring of death on the 360
Really if they just would have applied a proper amount of LM then it would only saturate the silicon and there would be no excess to spill, I have no idea why Sony decided to go so overboard on the TIM.
Horizontal for 1 year and a half, vertical since 2 months now because of my new S95B 65 inch bigger than my Samsung QLED 49 inch… and I have to say in terms of design it’s much better vertical ! But if it really kills my PS5… 😩 I hope Sony to give us an answer very soon ! 🤞
You should see the seal. Unless the console is heavily abused,or dismanteled and then re-asembled in an amateurish way,then yes sh*t might indeed happen. Those are likely just lying trolls and idiots
@@GameslordXY I really hope you are right ! We will all know the answer sooner or later… but I prefer to think that people like you are right, so thank you 🙏
@@Bibfive5 Well nothing is perfect,but they are transported in trucks across not always perfects roads in not always perfectly driven. Lots of vibrations . Also,turbulance in airplaines. Don't throw it around as if playing American Football with it or using is as a boxing bag and you should be fine.
Just got a ps5..i prefer it horizontal...it has enough space for air flow and i dont play alot really...had my ps3 for a long time now and skipped the ps4 so im not too worried of having any issues and it seems logical to me to have it horizontal...not a fan of the design to begin with...im interested in what newer models will look like...i may decide to trade...
Will continue to use vertically. If it fails it fails. Not convenient for me to use horizontally. Been fine for 2 years so I think the seal is probably ok
my PS5 (day one) was shutting off randomly & i decided to take the plates off.. i cleaned as much as i could really good then switched to horizontal.. it hasn’t turned off since!
So glad I got mine in horizontal position i never liked standing up my PlayStation i got my PS4 in vertical position because i'm not really using it i'm enjoying my PS5
The actual reason that I ended up turning my PS5 horizontal is because you can't even see the cool side of the spiderman plates or DBrand arachnoplates if you have it vertical and one side is facing another console or a shelf
I brought my ps5 on launch day and had it vertical for nearly two years. All of a sudden my ps5 started to turn off for no reason. I assumed that the ps5 was overheating due to dust build up. I cleaned it up and continued to use it vertically. This did not help. I was on the verge of sending it back for repair. I watched a similar video and tried using it in the horizontal position. Voila.. problem solved. Definitely a design issue. I recommend the ps5 being used in the horizontal position. I have been using it problem free. Hope it helps others
My brothers PS5 died after a couple of months. But it could have been literally anything. Had it repaired under warranty and was fine but recently has an HDMI issue. Warranty has expired but he should still be protected under UK consumer laws. Could be the cable or TV. Who knows. If you notice your PS5 is making more noise than usual or is overheating and you clean it regularly I would then start to be concerned. If it is running the same as the day you got it it's probably OK.
While it’s summat to keep on eye on I think it’s alot of bs, I’ve had mine since November 2020 in the vertical position and it’s still fine. It hasn’t leaked in 2 year so is it likely to leak now? I doubt it. I don’t play it all day like most kids do, 2-3 hours a day and I always clean it
I think this is just fear mongering. I read the original article and some Reddit posts. My PS5 still works so I wonder how wide spread this is? If it was a huge issue they'd make a statement and do a recall. Class action lawsuits etc. This doesn't fly with graphics cards and people talking about issues. Like with the 4090 cable issue. It was fairly uncommon but people talked about it and Nvidia addressed it. If this PS5 issue was wide spread enough don't you think Sony would make a statement and address it?
It could well be overblown and a degree of skepticism is likely appropriate. I've had a PS5 for nearly 2 years permanently in the vertical position and have zero issues, other than sleep mode is just plain broken so I don't use it. However, is this the same Sony that got hacked back in 2011, losing tens of millions of users' personal information, and didn't tell anyone for a week until the press got hold of it? I wouldn't count on them making a statement if the issue was more widespread. Likewise, the early Xbox 360s had a near-50% failure rate and no recall was ever issued for that. So, maybe a little more skepticism towards console manufacturers might be healthy as well ;)
@David Murphy haven't had a problem with it being vertical for two years and have never had an issue using rest mode. I think this is mostly clickbait, both issues. I know several people with PS5'S that use rest mode far more than I do, and they've not had any issues either. I also don't understand where getting a PS5 is difficult in the US. I've seen them in stores more than a handful of times, and someone always has stock online that isn't scalping. I honestly have no idea why it's become so popular to start rumors regarding Sony and the PS5.
@@BlueMax109 They wouldn't initially true. But not because it would cost them money,but to do proper investigation. Few YT videos and forum complains are hardly evidence. They would need to shield themselves from trolls and potentialy competition spreading lies.
@@GameslordXY yes true liquid mercury is extremely sensitive to magnetic fields tho so it could be fixed easily with a sine wave current around the processor preferably a torodial shape but turned vertical then it creates a vortex in the middle lf the dougnut shape
got my PS5 ..and worried because of these issue .. BUT.. I got a close friend here who used his PS5 since LAUNCH on a vertical position and no issues until now
This issue has blown out of proportion. These are isolated cases. And everyone should not worry. Just don't open your console. Go to a certified service center if you got a problem. Not a third party who whos.
Launch day PS5 had it vertical since day one two years now, no problems. They even marketed the system vertically so what’s going on here. I did hear this this problem is happening on newer models is that true more, is that true?
I wanna say ive had my ps5 for 2 years now an i just gotta say ive never put it vertically cuz systems being that way scare the shit outta me cuz look at it like this something coukd happen an it just falls over an breaks if u got it horizontal it lessens the chance of it breaking so if it is cuz of it being vertical then im glad that i dont
Always had my consoles so the disc drive is horizontal. It was like this with the PS1 & PS2 , iirc there were meant to be problems with the PS3 disc drives failing ( not massively common) when they were stood vertically. CD , DVD , PC CD/ DVD/Blu-ray drives are all horizontal . . . . Many I'm just old or a sheep 🤣
I've had mine vertical with a cooling stand to cool it down when the system is powered on so I don't know if my ps5 is getting bad but it is still working fine only issue I have with the pa5 is when I'm in a game for too long the pa5 starts to flicker and go black then goes back to my game dose this it is annoying
I got a PS5 in Feb 2021 had it only vertical. In April 2022 after about 4-5 days of not using it I turned it back on and it made a few really loud electrical click clack noises and was completely dead, short circuited. Very sudden and random, I took good care of it, it wasn’t dusty and worked perfectly before this, I never had a longer game session than 5-6 hours, it had plenty of air flow.
Can someone please respond! I just got my ps5 from Best Buy ( new condition ) on Thursday and when it gets overheated it turns off? Is that normal or Best Buy sold me a faulty ps5?
