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Had one troop come in, recognize one of the SNCOs from his section sitting on the board ( I was running the board) and give him a quick “Hey Steve what’s up?” . I told him to return to his section and report to his 1Sgt for further instructions. “Steve” looks at me after the troop leaves and says “ I will talk to him later”. Yeah, good idea.
Once you do a few boards it becomes easier, basically just dont get distracted in your mind keep telling yourself dont say um or Uh, and just answer the question to the best of your ability, they human too yk, and most of them do be tired and just want you out of their room so that they can go home anyways. (Lol), Good luck Airman.
The supervisor involvement is hilarious lol. My Supervisors did help me with boards when I was a younger troop. Great video, it brings back so many memories.
They’re so hard is core, I hesitated watching this three times, after finally braving up, I still have current and re-occurring day, night and daydreaming nightmares...
Bringing back memories of the day to day intimidation abuse and nonsense I endured during my four years service. The constant nonsense was the most difficult part of the experience. This was one of the two reasons I left as soon as I could do so. The other reason was how all too many officers treated enlisted people as something messy they had stepped in. Somehow I achieved the rate I worked hard for and avoided being disrated by these petty abusive superiors.
I always found it odd that officers have a file that goes to a centralized board, yet enlisted have to do essentially an in person interview, on top of building a board file for a panel... :D
@@supreme5998 thats kinda the whole point. Discipline and professionalism to the point of being a machine when necessary: adult children and goofballs during anything else 😂
My 1st board, as a cadet, was a breeze. My last 3 boards (LVMPD recruit, NHP recruit, and NDOC recruit) were not too bad...too bad I had charges still under 10yrs on my record; did not believe charges carried so much weight; I can only imagine what convicts go through.
This means they are untrainable and they will destroy the whole society. I’ve seen too many of them and they all destroyed everything they have been taken in… Its something parents need to give and cannot be taught if parent havent. Basic poop-poop Training…
You can be confident (while maintaining your bearing), right or wrong, and respectful. Guess which two get you the promotion. Seriously, bearing and confidence beat knowledge more often than not. And there are good reasons for that.
I was selected as a Senior Airman below the zone. I went in front of the board, and i had to know alot of military and current events! This was in 1980, so the board was a way for an A1C to be promoted.
Honor guard helps and hurts this stuff. It helps because you train your bearing and get practice with boards but totally screws you when it comes to marching.
I'm proud to say I was promoted early by successfully competing through the Below the Zone program. That was back in 1979. I made (E-5) Staff Sergeant in about 3.5 years. Seeing this video reminds me of the stress I was feeling at the time. I'm glad I did it and I'm glad it's behind me. I remember studying the Air Force manual in preparation and trying memorize every bit of trivia I could find. A big one was chain of command all the way to the President (Commander in Chief).
I went before the base airman of the quarter at Ellsworth AFB SD in July of 1979. My First Sergeant was a great mentor. I was selected but it was an all enlisted board and did not address them as sir. Things must be different from then
You failed to comment on management level evaluation boards. Throughout the Air Force officer records are exposed to commanders and a small number of officers who essentially select the ones who are promoted in advance of the formal board. A list is sent to the board president. See SASC Report 102-482. The latter reveals the undercutting of federal statutes by the former Air Force Personnel Chief and subordinate personnel officers who allowed promotion rigging, preventing the competition officers expected and producing the racial and gender disparities that were generated. In Walter D. Small v. U.S. the courts decided to abuse its discretion by permitting the flaws process, condemned by the SASC and lawyers in the record correction business, to prevail.
The AF used Boards prior to 1968 for promotion. They found that there was cultural bias in these Boards to in comes the WAPS (testing). I remember this one Chief who used to take care of me saying that WAPS was the best thing to come along. He said he was a 15 year E-5 when his wife found out the AF was moving in a new direction. He said she encouraged him(big smile) to start studying. Ten years later he was a Chief Master Sergeant.
I sat before the board and answered a lieutenant's hypothetical question. He said I was wrong. Thinking this may be a trick question to observe my reaction under stress, I gave 3 specifics on why I was right. He couldn't address my responses. He just repeated I was wrong. I began losing my patience and told him I wasn't wrong and if confronted with this situation, I would do it my way instead of what he recommended. He started screaming at me & I said this interview was over and walked out. I saw that Lt months later. He acted like I was his best friend, and I ignored him. The following year, I got the promotion. Been promoted 3 times since.
@David Hitchcock NSW used to have a Board before E-2s could earn their Trident, become a SEAL, and be promoted to E-4. Now that’s all gone. Graduate BUDs and finish SQT? Congrats, no Board needed.
Oh buddy 4 years later and it’s gotten worse. The best who deserve it still win it more often than not but more slip through the cracks then I can believe. Good ol’ boys club is stronger than ever in 2022
Yeah after watching this I’m glad most places don’t do this - it isn’t a good indication on how good of a team player or potential good future leader someone would make.
What happened to correct wear of the uniform for all the board members?! Lol. Ribbons not aligned right, female tie tab not in proper regs, uniform port on the particular MSGT, I understand the purpose of the video but if you're going to show this to prepare airman for the board then those participating need to be adhering to the same principles.
Hey I'm not saying I condone it. Only that it happens and I've seen it happen. It wont be anything extreme, usually a chain dangling to the side of their neck hanging partially in view. It is also good practice to see an airman respectfully call that shit out, because we all know, nearly no one is in a perfect uniform by 36-2903 standards.
And what career flds are these airmen in, that allows them and there supervisor to spend all of this time prepping? I say, meet a board that has 50% PFE and 50% of your job. I was asked by my supervisor yearssssssssss ago, if I was interested in doing the SRA BTZ board. I had never heard of it. I asked my supervisor what it was all about and he said that it was a chance for the people that Dont have a real job day in and day out, Dont get dirty, and mostly supply, medical and personnel were the only ones that really had all of this free time. Sad.
Just something I noticed watching the video. In CAP I've always learned to adress someone by their rank if they're not officers, I.e "yes sergeant" or whatever. But I noticed he said "yes ma'am" to a master sergeant. Is that something that's acceptable?
D. Vald I just found out I didn’t make it because the other person had more volunteering on her package. The board went very well though and they asked if I would be interested in helping others before they go before the board.
What were some of your volunteering items? I go up to the board in June 2022 and I’m hesitant to go, but my supervisor suggests I go. I’m currently part of dorm council, PTL, did a few events and volunteered for 2 ceremonies, and now I’m getting asked to volunteer for the Air Force ACE program. How much stuff should an airman volunteer for, because I have no idea what the correct amount is. Honestly there is a lot of bullshit in the Air Force, and this video had a lot of bullshittiness
Enlisted should not be address as sir's or ma'am only officers rate that response. Enlisted should only be addressed by their rank. But when in Rome do as the Roman's do.
This is dumb af. Sure its good to be all formal and knowledgeable but it should be completely based off of how you work and what you have done in my opinion. This is so fake its not even funny.
I think at this point all persons there are more than qualified to go to the board so the rest is up to other intangible traits and military knowledge. May seem cumbersome but the military and its practices are there for a reason and it isn’t for everyone. Those who can’t manage or don’t feel it’s the right fit need not apply
Yea this way of functioning is full on retard. They need to just promote and award by actions. I would want to see some one relaxed and confident if I was them not a robot.
For real, if this was a relaxed interview (still being respectful, no facing movements, sitting normally), and cutting out dumb bullshit questions like what the MSgt mentioned about the Air Force logo, then it would be less fake. I’m glad the introduction goes into personal and work related stuff, but only for a minute and 30 seconds
Oh my gosh... boy do I recall having to go to a LOT of USAF military boards in my career of 21 yrs... Lots! Won several, lost a few as well... All were very fair to all..
Is this video still valid? I am wondering if boards change the way they do things now? I'm conducting a mock board so I'm just trying to make it as realistic as possible.
I went before a board for btz for Senior Airman, and it doesn't matter what your answers are, they already know who will be promoted before you go before them, affirmative action or quotas mean more to them than your answers or your military bearing, and also, we had to stand while being questioned by the board at parade rest!
people were not lying when they said the air force is like a corporation. there is like no military feel in this video except for the presence of uniforms and ranks, i mean like what's up with the atmosphere in that room? and why do the board members look like they never take nor took the time to take care of their bodies, i.e exercise? i feel like ranks in the AF just don't have the same weight and military feel associated with them that ranks in other branches do, idk they felt and sounded like business titles in this video to me. in anycase, this is all just my personal opinion and i'm grateful for all that the branch does but definitely not the branch for me.
BTZ is different. Yes u should go in front of the board because, u are above ur troop... but wait, it's the national guard... I served as an active Airman for almost 10 yrs!!!
Claude Bernard , well you didn’t learn shit...how many times YOU went before the board....your comments don’t do the AF NCOs good....1SG Army retired...
I'm always wondering why US military personnel have so many ribbons. Even the E-2 / E-3 (not sure) in 1:56 already has more decorations on his uniform than most Dutch generals. Don't know how you guys doing it, but this seems only possible if you also get ribbons for basic stuff like completing bootcamp, cleaning your shoes, and eating with fork and knife :P
You get ribbons in the military for doing things like performing well in your job, yes. One difference between Us ribbons and other military ribbons is that in other country's military ribbons are primarily awarded for combat tasks or combat related tasks, where as this makes up a small number of US military ribbons. Ribbons are sort of like a resume in the US, rather than a list of honors. They show where you've been,what you've done there, and how you conducted yourself. So people can look at your ribbons, and if they know their stuff, literally read the majority of your career.
threshi If by saving you mean expediting the process of getting atomized by Russian or Chinese nukes then yes. If WW3 kicks tomorrow no one is winning.
Good Lord! What happened to how well you do your job! I was in the Air Force '63 - '67. After two years I was an Airman First Class (E-4) and a year later I was promoted to Staff Sergeant (E-5) via a spot promotion. This spot promotion was due to my B-52 winning the Fairchild Trophy in the annual SAC Bombing Competition. If you've got to meet a Board, you should have to prepare yourself without the help of mentors.
I'm sorry guys, but my style is to get out of my seat. I cannot simply sit and explain my personal opinions at the same time. If anything, I was taught that body language is imperative to disclosing and representing the personality you wish to exude. Though I might be criticized for my implementation for how I represent myself in front of a board, my upbringing overrides this decorum. People are people, not robots, and it the best practice in my opinion to be yourself. We must be better, and ensure that the unique expressions of those who have everything to gain and lose are free to express/condemn themselves.
I was just thinking that this is the kind of thing that only exists in the military and has little to no value outside it. The focus is wrong for the real world. Foot positions, hand positions, uncomfortable and unnatural posture, emotionless/canned responses that demonstrate no individual thought or value beyond forced conformity and people pleasing. These kinds of things will tank any civilian job interview. Hiring managers would see this Airman as a rigid, inflexible robot that would not integrate with his civilian coworkers and customers or bring any new and innovative ideas to the team. Frankly, this kind of performance would weird them out and perpetuate stereotypes about mental health issues in veterans. This is a paint-by-number performance piece masquerading as professionalism to civilian eyes. Questions about stuff that the Airman really isn’t involved in, does not have expertise in, has no say in, are bad interview questions. No one on that board knows a single thing more about that Airman after the board than before he walked in, except how well he can memorize trivia that he thinks they want to hear. None of that serves this Airman outside of the service. It develops nothing that will profit him latter in life. It does not model or build leadership skills in or out of uniform. Why not, instead, ask about his mastery of job skills? The requirements and standards of those one rank above his? How he thinks his proficiency contributes to the mission of the Air Force? Open ended scenario questions about leadership problems? If you are not phoning it in, it’s not hard to use this opportunity to really build the Airman up. Sure, the dress and appearance standards should be there. Those actually do help develop the Airman, in uniform and in civilian life. Courtesy, respect, how to address superiors, eye contact (real, legitimate eye contact - not the scan the table to check boxes kind), genuine engagement with a question and the readiness to admit lack of knowledge and follow up. Those are all great and valuable. But, overall, this is so badly prioritized and rigid that most of the opportunity for growth is lost. I am a former Soldier, now a civilian Vice President of Technology and Operations for a telemedicine company. I try very hard to hire and develop fellow veterans, but it does not help me get vets on-board when we have to make excuses for their bad conditioning in job interviews. That is a leadership failure.
