Are Younger People Desensitised to the Meaning of Pro-IRA Chants? | The Tonight Show 

28 years old, I know my history and I will sing Celtic Symphony till the day I die. Like it or not, it will be sang louder than ever!

The disconnect here isn't between younger Irish people and the significance of the troubles & Irish history. The disconnect is between the Irish media and Irish populace.

Englishman here, why is this even an issue? We are supposed to have freedom of speech.

Since when did these people start caring about the young people of Ireland? Generations of our young has been forgotten about. The Irish government/politicians have done nothing for our youth.

So what about the Scottish singing their songs? What about the rangers fans singing their songs while displaying an ulster freedom fighters flag in Liverpool last week? What about the English fans who chant stuff about the Irish when we play them? But you want the Irish to stop singing our songs? Cancel culture mixed with hypocrisy.

It's number 1 in the charts now..... The people have spoken.....

Our music did survive, through famine and oppression, to the generations gone, we'll sing for you this song... LET THE PEOPLE SING 🎼🇮🇪🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Would you give me a break. It's no problem for the Brits to sing Rule Britannia with everything it represents. The British Empire reaked havoc across the world, especially the global south, with many of the immense social issues and lingering conflicts that some of these countries are still experiencing today, the echoes of British interference and colonialism.

These girls were in their dressing room. it was not in public. What they sung about was and is part of our history. Why should anyone have to apologise for their history. Perhaps the panel would like to remember the appalling cival rights record in the North of Ireland. Catholics in the north called in the help of the IRA. It was a war. War is cruel and like it or not the IRA fought for the right to self determinatiom in the earlier part of the last contrary. Pretending that shocking abuses by the British over centuries didn't take place is a total nonsense. So of course these girls were & are proud of the fight for Irish freedom in the past. They wouldnt have sung it otherwise. They still carry the post colonial scars inherited from their parents. It's high time we all stop pretending history didnt happen. Quit the political correctness nonsense and lets start to deal with reality.

Why is the IRA in 1910 - 1920s celebrated still regardless of sectarian violence and deaths and the provos are not. Why can't we sing Republican songs when loyalists still sing there sectarian songs every 12th of July.

I think the young people of Ireland know their history too well. The famine - caused millions of deaths, and millions more fleeing to the four corners of the world.. would you not be a little angry over that? After all it is just a song.. sticks and stones etc...

It’s appropriate to celebrate our freedom

When will these old politicians stop licking up to the English

I think the disconnect is the fact that English people aren't thought about history correct in school, here in Ireland when we think of our hero's the ira we think of the rising, the proclamation, Irish people fighting back against colonists and making our country free, but when you think of the ira across the pond you think of car bombings and terrorists, which were done by the ira but the Provisional ira

Get out you black & tans, come fight me like a man 🍀🍀🍀

We will sing what we like. Free speech, worry about who did the Dublin bombing, always remember we invaded no one, we fought for our freedom, to call our people terrorists is shamefull. My family never got justice after the murdering TANS.

No the young people are the first generation to have access to all the information and most agree with the chants.

Oh get over yourselves, what about the housing crisis 🙄

Maybe when the Brits apologise and make reparations for the famine we'll rein in the pro-republican songs.

Shouldn't have apologised. Well done girls, Up the Rebels ✊🇮🇪

The disconnect is between the Westbrit Liberal establishment and the Irish public.

This panel is filled with people who are ashamed to be Irish. Unlike this song being sung which was just a joke that wasn't intended to hurt anyone, do the anti-Catholic Orange marches need to end given that Catholics were brutalized and ruled over ruthlessly by many of its past and even current members? *They build bonfires mainly near Catholic communities to degrade them and send them a message.* Based on your priorities, you seem very detached from the reality of what Northerners went through just because during that timeframe we had it easy in the Republic. *Why are you not ranting about the Orange marches because they certainly don't aid unity and just needlessly divide people, and are actually a real issue?* Those marches are a reminder to Catholics even to this day to know their place, they happen every year, and they're a thousand times more offensive and insidious than these girls singing this song. The name of the Orange Order literally came from a Protestant king defeating a Catholic King. This situation is just ridiculous. The IRA only existed in the North because of the incredibly brutal way that people were treated in their own country. Do not forget that while condescendingly telling young people that they don't understand history. And of course, in the Republic, the IRA achieved independence which is something to be proud of. If the Northerners didn't fight back, they wouldn't have all the same rights that they do today. Dignity and equality is rarely given to people for free. You may as well shame Mandela next. Ultimately, it was not a serious chant. Get over yourselves. Young people know our history but we're not self-hating Irishmen who empathize with and avoid criticizing the behaviour of oppressors. Do better or quit your jobs so someone doing a decent job might take them.

Is there a disconnect between younger British people and the atrocities of the empire? Yes.

once again displaying Dublin is in London's pocket

It is our history... What about stopping the 12th of July matches??? I find them very offensive...

These ladies done a tremendous thing by qualifying for the World Cup, not 1 minister in the government has praised their efforts, licking up to downing Street. Will the media go away and comment on social injustice rather than cheap journalism

Celtic Symphony was never an IRA song to begin with. It was a Football song written at the request of the Celtic Football team!

This song is top in Ireland.

Many of the young Irish people love the ceilidhs as do the older generation, myself included. Can't beat the Irish and Scottish music 🇮🇪

That old fella is trying to intellectualise the Conflict. In Glasgow we have sung these songs for generations. We are unashamed irrespective of what begrudgers say. It is our history. It should never be left to trendy journalists who are just making a career move by whinging.

The biggest mistake was the apology.....

It must be remembered that this song was embedded in soccer culture in Ireland through its adaptation to oo aa Paul McGrath helping it's popularity as it was such a simple adaption

The brits dont mind rangers singing there anti irish anti Catholic songs week in week out never see sky news getting the rangers captain on to apolgise

...Remove your Cromwell statue from parliment it offends me???

English spyies have done their job well looking at this on tonight show

Come on people, there was the origonal RA of 1916, Patriots and Heroes! These same broadcasters think nothing of celebrating the freedom fighters of Ukraine, and whatever is the cause of the day.

Rangers fan sing "we are the Billy boys" which have the lyrics "up to our knees in fenian blood"

What about British people singing Britannia rules the Waves. This is a song about Celtic football team. It mentions Graffiti on the wall Ooh Ah up the Ra. And any mention of the IRA is not strictly The Provisional or the Continuity in which some of the panel seem to focus on. The IRA were part of the fight that this nation grew from. People have the right to sing or speak about nationalism and their belief's whether it offends people or not.

Let the people sing there story's and there songs and the music of there native land ......sine

Lads the Graffiti on the wall it does say we are magic though . 🇮🇪👍 . I Don't care what people think. I'm so proud of my country and I don't mind if people want to celebrate to our music. What are they gonna do now start going after the Wolfe Tones .

What is the main group do we acknowledge that brought freedom of the present Republic?

It's inappropriate..... you're upsetting people.... sing loud and proud!

why not concentrate more on the abuse and death threats james mc clean gets on a daily basis

Well, the Wolfe Tones are Number 1 in the charts. Up the R--------

I couldn't give one single shiny one who's offended 🍀🍀🍀

Irish Republican Army, the team needs to have that tune as their anthem 🇮🇪

Should we tell them about Amhran na bhFiann?

Give it a brak I don't beleave for one min thoes girls ment to insult or saport. It's just somthing that happend and thay did not sing to saport any organisation, thay apologies so let tham alone

It would appear the gentleman with the redhead isn't aware of his own history, the IRA were founded in 1919 which then split, becoming the regular army after 1922 and the anti- treaty IRA, irregular army. The IRA are part of Irish history which he appears to want to sanitise. Whether he wishes to acknowledge it, many nations sing songs about war. One man's army is another man's terror group and throughout history any action by the people of Ireland against occupying forces has been classified as terrorism. Songs will be wrote and sung as many nations have done. He should stop being offeneded of being Irish. I am pretty sure that all 10 people that watch the show will have an opinion

Never be ashamed to be Irish.....

Are rte going to castigated quater when the world cup starts

Its a free country we can sing what we like

Its only a song not a bomb

Free society? That's laughable

It must be a slow news day

Can anyone explain this to an American? I cannot figure out what they did that is any different then what we've done and said here in the States, as a former British Colony, we sing a lot of offensive songs about hurting the British. I'd just assume all the other ex colonies had the same shared history. Why is Ireland any different then the States?

18 years old , I know my history , I know my culture and where I'm from. I know the actions committed I'm both sides amd how they have affected people i know . But what these politicians fail to see is that no matter what , when u get drinks in any irishman/irishwoman , you know fine well they become the most patriotic people and no matter their situation , will sing this song with all their hearts

Go ahead, call the tories They can’t unbomb your cars

Let us be

His big dyed head is more offensive than any song

I think its interesting the song isn't really discussed in this video or many videos at all. We have this tendency to loop in the IRA and the derivatives that popped with letters attached somewhere. Due to this association and the closeness of Britan, both as a neighbor and governing body of part the island, along with the other factors, that we tend to look at IRA and go... "Condemn". The issue is of course as a nation, ROI owes itself to the founders of the IRA. It owes the freedom we enjoy to those people in the early 1900s. And this history is taught to children who consume it, they look at it. They hear the songs that celebrate these people. And then are told "Wait, you cant celebrate the IRA! They killed people." and most if not all will know of the PIRA and the RIRA and those other named groups. But because the songs they are singing don't reference anything they've done, they continue on against the authorities telling them to stop. Because to young people, its silly to combine the two groups as one.

Could have been worse could have been Ireland's call

There are four times as many comments as there are likes. That says something 🇮🇪

Plus the i r a was not formed in the 1920s know ur history war of independence was from 1919..

The youth don't care about idiotic moderatism. That's what the Government fears

Ooh Ah Paul Mcgrath

Education in this context has connotations of political re-education in special camps. A way of forcing one political viewpoint on a subject populace. Practically every national anthem has references to a nation fighting for their freedom and "forming battalions" and "sending people victorious" or flags waving over the "land of the free and the home of the brave", hardly peaceful or compliant sentiments. The big problem is the use of the term "IRA" for both the old IRA from 1921 and the version from the 1970's and the current offshoots that exist to this day. Many people will have high regard for the 1921 version but contempt for the 1970's version. In time people will probably have mixed views about the 1970's version of the IRA, realising that the other side of the sectarian divide in the North was just as culpable of crimes as the IRA.

As usual people telling us what to do.i will sing what I want when I want.

But yet singing rule Britania is ok.

we need to loosen up..now

Timmy Dooley..... Running around pressing everyone's buttons in the Dail.... not a lot of respect for the honoured position he held as a TD- low standards in high places....😂

The gentleman is correct. The UVF murdered many innocent Irish people in an horrific Dublin bomb explosion in 1974. Imagine if the Northern Irish women team, who recently qualified for the Euros, celebrated in their dressing room with UVF chants.? There would be widespread outrage, and rightly so.

The best rebel rousing song by Wolfe tones is, a nation once again, voted by the BBC's as the greatest song ever, so go figure

The line ooh ahh up the ra refers to the graffiti that was on the wall. What's the problem??

The song is about Celtic you mullets. The line ooh ahh up the rá is about graifítí written on the wall of Celtic Park. It is not a pro IRA song

They're upset about the national team being too nationalist 🤔

What about "The Sash My Father Wore?" 🇮🇪🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Na Brits Thiar galore. The girls were singing ooh ahh up Vera. Vera being Vera Paaw the Ireland manager

Too late for an apology the loyalists have seen enough

Late to learn of all of this just now and I won hundred percent support the team and and their celebration.

Ireland will be united and free again!

I'm trying to recall - didn't The Wolfe Tones also record THE SASH ME FATHER WORE? I recall many years ago a FF politician got into some difficulty for singing a fine version! Much Ado About Nothing I'd say.

we have no freedom to say what we want , its the ENGLISH WHO IS TO BLAME FOR OUR TROUBLES NORTH AND SOUTH A,AND THE CHAP FROM THE iRISH TIMES WHO IS A ENGLISH TYPE PAPER WITH HIS SOMBY TALK

How come since the british left Ireland that the Irish left in their thousands for mother England and her colonies.

Answer. Yes.

Seems to me that the entire argument about "to-sing-or-not-to-sing" isn't about partition and a united Ireland as much as it is about one's freedom to say/sing what one wants. This kind of social censoring is going on in many countries regarding many different issues, but at the end of the day, the question is: What can I say without being beaten around the head and shoulders for being a "hater"? That said, it would probably be nice to put one's self in the shoes of the other (on both sides).

Are British people desensitized to colonial violence, including flag burning by loyalists in NI ?

The Troubles are the fault of Evangelical Christians. (DUP/UVF/FreeP)

Don't be silly of course You can't get enough of IRA Chants 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪👍👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏

No body can beat the irish when it's come to drink I'm not lying its the truth everyone knows for sure come on ireland

What a load of nonsense. Let the people sing!!!!

Not sure who the man on the far right is but what about the death and injury to property in all of Ireland due to the British and loyalists in the 20th century and long before 🤷‍♂️

I think context is important here. Football chants are never meant to be taken seriously. No Manchester United fan literally wanted anyone to die at Hillsborough, yet they chant that Liverpool fans should have all died at Hillsborough. Frankly the plastic republicans at Celtic are only doing most of this to wind up Rangers. It's easy to chant this stuff then go home to your safe little suburban British house, away from the peace walls and division. Context is important too. Before the early 1970s my mum, who grew up just outside Birmingham used to go to folk groups and singing songs about the Old IRA was normal. The troubles changed all that. Of course there is freedom of speech in Ireland, although the footballers were singing in Scotland which has different laws and history, but how people choose to exercise that freedom may well impact on the likelihood of unification in the future.

Political correctness gone mad.

Tried before to silence people never worked

What is this about

ERIN GO BRAGH

Such an English word ‘the troubles’ It was a war! Simple as!

When in Rome !there Irish what do yo want them to chant?

So the English will start singing, would you like to have a cheeseburger Bobby Sands?