Argerich plays Bartók - Piano Sonata, Sz. 80 Audio + Sheet music 

They are paid actors maybe

Wow!!!!!! what an improvement to this music! . thank you!!!!

That's the downside of performing for a (stupid) audience.

😂

It is actually, a percussion, keyboard and string instrument.

This is why Bartok's music can only bring funny, while Scriabin's music is spiritual and elegant.

@@Cosimo-composer They're both awesome

@@Cosimo-composer Funny? Do you know what of a sound material that he uses here?

tl;dr: Bartok was a Stravinsky's fanboy.

LMBOOO

hahahha sometimes martha has this look in her eyes after playing a piece that i translates pretty much as "i slayed it" :-)

@@angelinema4330 LMBTQ 😛

This comment was ahead of its time

Yes, ofcourse, Bartók had written this piece specially for Bosendorfer Imperial, pianists using other than Imperial, can play the lowest note possible (pitch A0)

@@sanjai_s Or use a combination of A0 and Bb0 to give the illusion of a lower pitch.

@@KaterinaStamateloshe literally wrote it to be played on a Bosendorfer Imperial…

@@KaterinaStamatelosI mean if you’re going to override Bartok then there’s not much point discussing it, but “So what?” - so what if a composer has written a piece with a certain piano in mind? given that was the only maker producing extended compass pianos and he chose it, then it would suggest that the sound is appropriate for his music…! And if you have studied to any level, being interested in the composer’s intentions should be of interest to you? It is to me. If you disagree with Bartok fair enough, though that sounds more like an ego trip now that I’ve called you out. To be fair to you I’d definitely suggest trying some more Bosendorfers which have been set up differently (perhaps you played a tired one)? as they are generally not that mellow - I’ve played several and some I would go as far as saying sounded on the overly bright side (Bluthners are known for being more mellow for example) - Bosendorfers are actually known for their clarity and transparency and difference in registers, coming from the Viennese tradition - and Bartok would have known them well. Perhaps Bartok did not intend the music to sound quite as percussive as some people play it now and instead leaning more towards the folk-music and lyrical elements which are also there is important. Schiff’s version is interesting to listen to for that reason. I’m going to go with Bartok on this one and think you’re talking from a lack of experience, sorry!

I come here after some people post on FB "bloodstains on keyboard" lol

Indeed, I came here after seeing the pic. (not a pianist, though)

@@andoniainaramarokoto7300 same haha

@@dariusellertklaus3799 yep, same here 😂

gosh same haha

Marina Zhuravleva Very good!

marry me.

@@yagiz885 simp

@@yagiz885 simp

Köszönöm az értékelést

Köszönöm az értékelést

Yes, and at age 80, Martha is STILL performing magnificently. Fabulous!

@@tedl7538 literally! 😍👏

new vid?

@@raulperez2308 yee

+xyloplax Do you think you can tell exactly which parts reminds you to Rite of Spring?

+thetimpanikid Where exactly? Im so interested. i love both compositions, tell me please. it just pisses me off that i cant see them, even if i love both compositions lol

+thetimpanikid The rhythm the first low D reminds me to rite of spring yes. But the rest... this is pure Bartok.

@@Soytu19 not much relationship.to the Rite of Spring. Closer(at times), to 'Les Noces' eg. 2nd subject of 1st Mvt. A bit further on ( 1:29).a hint of the Symphony in three movements. Unmistakably Bartok.

Best comment in RU-vid history. This made my day.

lmao

What did you say? I can't hear you over the playing.

Even tho, I understand shit in this music 😂 But still, I like his works a lot than I expected

Yes, she is playing octaves rather than single notes.

@@Barpoint212 yes it's actually written in the score to play with the right hand the same not up an octave in that part

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UJUWPqmaGQI.html I would like know your opinion. Thanks!!!

Don't hold your breath.

Mark Chen: No, you were right the first time.

Yes

there are many less famous russian (and french) composers who composed like late scriabin.

Scriabin is a mediocrity. If you can't hear that, please enroll in the Helen Keller School of Wayward Listening.

@@johnryskamp2943 I wouldn’t agree. Though he was certainly a nutcase, his works shine beyond his personal self

Not only that, but upon reading the collection of Bartok's Letters in study for my Masters thesis last year, he was quite critical of certain religion-inspired behaviors. If I still had the book (compiled by Demeny I believe) I'd find an exact page and quote.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UJUWPqmaGQI.html I would like know your opinion. Thanks!!!

Gershwin was born of Russian and Lithuanian Jewish descent

+Ron Walker The first is movement is a bit reminiscent of Gershwin, oddly, but this is likely mostly fortuity. I've just recently become aware of the existence of this sonata so I haven't examined it. I HAVE examined an earlier famous Bartok solo piano piece: "Allegro Barbara", and it's pretty obviously bi-modal (and bi-tonal in spots as well). Its bi-modality works similarly to how the bi-modality of the blues works, although it was presumably arrived at independently of the blues (written in 1911 in Hungary, as it was). Gershwin's classical music relies heavily on the blues but in this regard was certainly NOT arrived at independently of the blues.

+Herbert Wells Sorry, that's "Allegro Barbaro". "Allegro Barbara" is what happens when Shaw's actors speak too quickly.

+Ron Walker Bartok was never forgotten...most of his works are either in the repertoire or near its fringes.

BARTOK LACKS HUMOR, CAPRICE, AND FANTASY. IT´S ALL SERIOUS SADNESS. THE BEST TRADGEDY HAS MOMENTS OF COMEDY.

There are allusions in the main theme. Bartok was an admirer of Stravisky's earlier music, both "neo-primitive" and the "neo-classical" phases. Also the Bartok second piano concerto has a clear allusion to Petrushka.

ebavfencer I don't understand. Sorry

Because he's hammy, showy and shallow, darling.

@@johnryskamp2943 You need to open your ears, stop regurgitating what everyone else says, think for yourself and get your head out of your ass, darling. I had an epiphany about LL. I, too, once thought what you just said (until my epiphany). Sure, he's no Horowitz, but "shallow"?

I liked it, but the second movement was too slow for me.

Hungarian traditional folk music

Eugene Pashch That's bullshit!

I'll listen to Chopin over Britten at any given moment.

I don't know, i find that (after being completely absorbed by Zoltan Kocsis version) there is like an unnecesary echo or reverb in this version. There is like an echo, isn't it? or is it only me? lol

Yes, even the piano needs the reverb in some cases. It improves the pieces a lot, (for me actually it can be a danger to get used to the reverb, but hey). But the thing about this sonata is that it's strongly (violently) percussive, and the reverb somehow spoils that percussion i think. And also what you say, the dissonances are a bit spoiled aswell. Or perhaps in my case is that i'm too absorved by another performance (kocsis), this happens too sometimes. Anyway it's always good to pay attention to other performances to analyse the pieces from different perspectives.

From the concert he gave at La Roque d'Anthéron, right? Yes, it's incredible. It's the official interpretation for me, he understands everything Bartók wrote on the score. It's a privilege have that performance here in RU-vid.

Re: "This music should be played without any reverb or echo or whatever." "PLAYED without reverb or echo"? How do you play a piano with reverb? Is there a fourth pedal I've never noticed? Presumably you mean "RECORDED without artificial reverb or echo", but artificial reverb or echo are meant only to simulate natural reverb or echo found in a spacious hall. Sometimes recordings are made with natural reverb from the place it's recorded, and other times a recording studio is purposely constructed to be artificially dry so that reverb will be entirely under the control of the recording engineer. This is a technical matter for the recording engineer and record producer and does not normally concern either the composer or the performer.

Herbert Wells Oh, excuse me, sir. I meant, this sonata must be recorded (or presented to the listener, if you preffer) without reverb. I mean, if you are searching for one of those typical arguments here in youtube, having in mind that i'm so stupid as to believe that this sonata shouldn't be played (not recorded) without reverb, as if there were another pedal in the piano for it, this is not your place for it. But yes, in the studio recording there are the performer and the sound engineer, and if this recording has reverb or echo or another sound effect is because the performer allows it. Therefore it's the performers fault, in this case Martha Argerich (born June 5, 1941). Argerich was born in Buenos Aires, Argentina.[4] Her paternal ancestors were Catalonians based in Buenos Aires since the 18th century. Her maternal grandparents... blablabla, it's in wikipedia if you want more accuracy. But yes, she is an incredibly talented pianist, but she demonstrated that she does not understand this piece of music, among other reasons, because of the sound effect thing. After all it's a very complicate piece of music, and if you are used to play constantly romantic music and applying reverb to your piano, it will be a real challenge for you to be succesful with this sonata. So it's understandable. But we have Zoltan Kocsis living in the same time as we, so it's a privilege to listen to this sonata in it's fullest. Thanks to him and the internet of course, and those who invented the internet too, and the mothers of those who invented it who suffered the terrible pain in the birth in order to give us the internet, and also thank their fathers who were brave enough to talk to those future mothers also, and blablabla... Bartok's music has a lot to owe to the internet, and zoltan kocsis too. And yes of course, all the music in reality, thanks to the piracy and the mothers and so on...

Nah, I'm here because this is a banger lmao (If only I could play the 3rd movement, and believe me, I've tried >.

Magyarul!

Ok