Gosh. I really don't want to sound demeaning, but that video is more a demonstration of why not to buy cheap, mass produced plate armour. The noise, the multitude of large gaps opening all over the armour at the slightest movement and the very fact that he has to catch his breath after doing practically nothing at all just speaks volumes. I'm not very keen on some of the particular features of the design itself. Apart from the fact, that it's not at all historical (which is totally forgivable) some of it just seems impractical, uncomfortable or even dangerous: The huge, strangely shaped pauldrons protect next to nothing despite their size. The breasplate extends too far down and is way too flat, it will catch a hammer or mace blow very easily and posibly cave in. The bevor floating above the breastplate tells me, that its articulation really doesn't work too well.
Let's not forget his sallet, which doesn't have a breastplate to accomodate it. My own Gothic armor fits well, and I got it in one purchase, rather than the probable piecemeal set we have here.
+Young Savage With full plate armour that's gonna be a problem. Plate armour needs to be shaped to the wearer individually. If you just buy standardized pieces off the Internet, it really doesn't matter how good the quality is, it's never gonna fit perfectly. At a minimum you should find an armourer online to whom you can send your precise measurements and have him make the armour according to those. It's still not as good as having it fitted in person, but it's acceptable. That's why a good suit of armour costs many thousands of dollars. There is just no way around having it made and fitted to your exact body. Of course with individual pieces of armour such as gauntlets and helmets as well as maille, it's not such a big problem and you can buy good quality stuff online.
When I look at this it mostly reminds me of jousting armour. Mostly harder to move in and it weights a lot more. Would also explain the hook thingy on his breastplate since that gets used to hold up a knights lance.
The pauldrons look messy and the waist didn't look right from the rear, hard to tell if that's his shape or if there too much space in the back and in the armpits.
+Adam Hollowman I like plate armour how I like women... Hourglass waist, round chest, slim legs, elegantly formed, and fun to be in. I meant to say this harness looks fucking atrocious.
+TheJetprox I'm sure Knights (who weren't all soldiers) as well as men at arms had varied characteristics. But I do agree somewhat, its the face I would pick for a movie in that period.
Man, that is a sweet set of armour, you must be so proud, I've just had a crack at my first breastplate from 16 g mild steel, turned out too small, so I've made some new templates and lets start again, I've worked in all facets of metal fabrication and machining for 20 yrs and I find it challenging, good luck to all who tries this, I think its the most awesome thing someone could make, Cheers and thanks for sharing,Kimbo
Seeing your enemy fully engulfed in metal like that that actually rattles and is impenetrable by most means while you yourself had hardened leather armor or barely any armor at all must have been the most horryfing and terribly pants-soiling sight for anyone to behold
@@johurt7913 actually not quite, i'm not educated enough on this subject but leather armor is certainly not a mythto some extent, here are some sources: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiled_leather ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LP8QB_7Jsdc.html&ab_channel=Skallagrim
@@LanceAntisin100 If leather was used in armour, it wa the binding textile between lames in articulation or it was used as the dominant textile in armour such as a coat of plates or brigandine. Of course exceptions can be found of someone using leather as armour, but these remain just that: exceptions. There are, as far as I am aware from hours of research in this particular field, no examples of leather being used in any regular manner as a form of armour.
Of course the legs are important. Ive just reviewed some other vids' on youtube and I stand by what I said. He sounds like pots and pans rattling on a cart. There are other videos out there with people fighting in full armour and not rattling like this one. He needs to secure his kit better than this. I'm not getting into a flame war over this so if the replies are abusive I shall not be answering. Have your self a great day! I'm off longswording while the sun is shining.
The answer is the thickness of a plate, tap 2 empty cans of coke together it sounds like this. Tap 2 chisels together much thicker more dense sound. His armor does look very thin and probably prone to piercing, it's likely made to be displayable but not effective in actual combat.
Immediately I knew that this had to be made by the Mercenary's Tailor, - the poor shape of the Sallet's bowl and the bizarre articulation of the lames of the tail is a dead giveaway. With The Merc. Tailor you get what you pay for- essentially bulk armor made quickly and without much finesse, as evidenced by the preponderance of flat planes on the armor which are structurally weak and should be avoided at all cost when purchasing armor. I wouldn't recommend this for use- better suited at a Ren-Fair. Really problematic is the fact that there were so many adjustments made- there are ample methods of fitting armor to an individual- there are many resources that provide measuring diagrams that can be used to order armor, and would bypass some of the issues present. There are plenty of modern armorers who are capable of crafting armor reflective of the period- the Merc. Tailor was not one of them- there are reasons that some armories fall behind. If you're serious about armor, better to find another maker, especially if you're going to be fighting in it.
I'm assuming this is a mix of Milanese, gothic and other designs of armour from different periods? It explains the clanking, you can move sure, but if the armour isn't designed to fit together, you won't have full mobility. You also seem to have a great deal of weight on your shoulders which could be the cause for the loss of breath, in comparison to fitted matching armour, that said you probably have a lot more mobility than someone in a full set of mass produced anachronistic armour. I'm not an historian though, the armour looks sick :)
shoulders. It straps around the neck, however the primary impact is more weight on the shoulders, it never bothered my neck enough for me to notice a problem or weight upon the neck.
I have a question I need something to help with the Armour around my neck because my armor cuts into me right around my neck is there something I can make or buy?
I'm in the process of making a near-full suit of steel armor. Mine isn't as shiny and doesn't make that much noise (Only when I'm running in full charge with it). It doesn't feel as much of an encumbrance unless I'm trying to rapidly run for a steady amount of time. My melee weapon that goes with it though, doesn't need a lot of force or space to one-hit-kill anything with a skull and a brain :P
Thank you, While I had the armor I enjoyed it as much as I could. My mind just went on a splurge, and it got typed out here instead of FB. Not nesscirily directed at yourself though the name Dunedian mom struck a thought ---->The amount of Bells I currently and regularly wear equates into about the same volume of clanging, I just been given out Angel Wings. Calling all Healers, have you been serving to save another from pain? Suffering personal emotional loss without holding a grudge? Receive your wings and fly with your Fellow Angels into 2023 Grasping Liberty, suited as a Knight, Equipped for Battle with a Heart That is Love. We fight not the Terror, We create the earths Rhythmic Heart Beat. In 2023 we are no longer the effect, we, Humanity full of Love that Is Motherly and True are the cause. The Meek do inherit the Earth, for they have not Judged another, they Judged themselves, corrected their own wrongs and then sought to help others overcome such struggles. For when we help each other to we heal each other, With Love that is considerate on each end of an association with another.
DΛNTE : South America... no sword fight at all. The only piece of armour this place saw is the chestplaste of the conquerors... Our culture at least in my region only show interest in firearms. And the economy its pretty crappy around there compared to USA so armorers dont ever bother moving to this places like some europeans did to north america.
Tucoco Tucoco my point exactly (but that doesnt mean u guys dont have anything). U guys have a couple teams in the Battle of the Nations, that means it is there. keep looking my friend. If u made a trip up to the states as well, say like an SCA event in Arizona or California, ull find someone who can make it for u 100%. Armor isnt cheap, but its a solid investment, itll be on this planet longer then u will, that is for sure. if u cant afford it like me, u can always do what i did and get a 55 gallon plastic drum usually used for food storage and export, and u can cut that into armor and make ur own. Its easy to learn arming from that plastic along with the proper research. After 6 years of fighting in and modifying my plastic armor, i figured out my favorite design and then made it out of leather and wax hardened it. i can tell u without a doubt, wax hardened leather armor is more then enough for sword combat.
***** You'd think so, but later in the video there's a few segments where he just lifts his shoulders and it still makes a bunch of noise. All those segmented metal plates rubbing and knocking up against each other can't not make a bunch of noise.
The mic recording this is set to high and sensitive. Just put headphones on to confirm it. You can hear a terrible buzz even when there is no movement from the guy.
I'm digging the cauch Lance hook on the right chest. so I know it's not historical armor, but is it jousting armor or did some combat armor have those.
Could I ask a question? What area is that armor armor from? At first I though that it was a gothic set from around the 14th century because of the sallet, but then I noticed that there is no fluting and the breast plate almost looks like an Italian breastplate. I have a very rudimentary understanding of armors so if someone could point out which type of armor this is and where it came from I'd be much obliged. Also feel free to correct me on anything I said.
Tetsu No Omo The pauldrons *are* large, which is something that is actually common to italian (Maximillian) armor, but they're not assymetric, they actually just seem to get get stuck between the plates and knots every once in a while making it look like one is raised higher than the other.
would the armor be that noisy? I've seen people wear knights armor and while it is clearly clanky, this guy sounds like he is banging on pots every step he makes.
The clanking seems like something you'd want to limit no? Its hard enough to hear/see properly in plate let alone in a battle without all the extra localized noise in your tin can. :)
Why would you want to make that moves where you take the weapon up? that is the best way to show all your not armored places, wouldn't it be better to use more compact movements?
There are many people fighting in full plate for various reasons ( reenactment, as a martial art etc.). The only one I have seen personally was over 50 years ago. The Society for Creative Anachronism, Lord Bright Angel of House Bright Angel. He was a full proffesor at San Diego State and in his 50's. He was slow but invulnerable. The armor did not appear to be the main reason for his lack of speed and was NOT noisy. When people mention properly fitted, what I saw was It. Others there used either non-historical protection or "chainmail" as we called it. Except for Lysandros di Spartaca who had bronze armor (breastplate, greaves, helmet and assorted other pieces) and a bronze short sword. I don't remember if he fought in his bronze or used less expensive protection to actually get hit. I don't remember his real name either.
You only showed stabbing attacks. Against other heavily armorer opponents you would have been using the hammer side and swinging. You should really do another video demonstrating the full use of the weapon; what good is it to just show very slow moving guards and stabs?
actually when armored as such against a similarly armed opponent, you would want to stab at the gaps in the armor if you wanted to actually kill them. the hammer would do some good damage, but the reason those particular weapons had all of those bits on them was because they worked
MegaHasmat the stabbing into gaps was far less effective than the hammer against full plate unless the opponent was knocked to the ground. Go watch some HEMA videos or read the treatises. Also, stabbing that slowly is useless.
Caranfin Naurlain I said the hammer would do good damage. just thinking logically, each piece of the weapon can do a good job, but good armor did it's job at keeping people alive, sure a good few smashes with a hammer could render an enemy unable to fight, but stabbing them in the proper place will put them down for good. modern day HEMA works with a different context which is why in longsword HEMA, they count the first contact rather than the first killing blow.
MegaHasmat I am not talking about HEMA tourneys, rather the study of Historical European Martial Arts, and that requires understanding the treatises. In those text and diagrams, the spikes on the tops of halberds, Lucerne hammers, and bec de corbin were not very useful against plate, a swinging motion using the hammer, axe, or back spike was, but even then, the back spike was used after knocking the opponent down. Blunt trauma alone can kill someone in plate, certainly faster that poking at them when they are still standing. You failed to defend the snail speed this guy moves at. There are far more informative videos on the matter than this guy.
Caranfin Naurlain I didn't intend to defend his slow speed or whether or not the video was informative and I believe his point was that heavy armor doesn't restrict movement as much as some believe. I haven't studied too many treatises admittedly. As far as what you say with blunt trauma being more effective than "poking" (though I would assume you STAB with the point rather than poke or prod). I suppose it depends on the preference of the soldier or knight who is wielding the weapon. they may be better at smashing their opponents with the hammer, piercing the armor with the spike or using it to hook and pull an enemy to the ground, or slipping the spike between the armor.
Dude, I hate to break the bad news to you but you are a rogue. And if you tried to fight in that plate suit you would be defeated by a clone of yourself using leather and a sabre. And that is because you can actually swing your weapon properly in leather. Your strike with the pike in that plate does not wound somebody in leather armour or even thick cloth. Therefore, you would be a lot better off in leather and using a sabre. And that is because you have the body weight of a rogue. In contrast, if you ate food until you were 160 kilograms in body weight over 3-6 years you would function in that plate armour. You would be harder to knock over. You would hit harder because you would be stronger and you would move faster in the armour because you would have stronger core and legs.
Your late to the party Bro, I don't even own the suit anymore, if you actually paid attention to the video, this is what I could afford at the time. It's still much more expensive then your modern average fabric clothing. This was and is a personal interest. I don't even own the Armor anymore. I upgraded, perhaps you should watch my actual recent video's on my channel and see just how invalid everything in your comments are. . Dude, chill out it's 2023, lay off telling people what they "should do" and go do something yo' dern self or continue to be immature, it's your life and your choice. Thanks for commenting and Much Love to you and Many Blessings or cursings, whatever you feel you deserve, you will get all of it X10.
Could be better, could be a king (or a queen), but alas, the coffers are as empty as the thieving taffers in the dungeons. Can't be a king (or a queen) without a bit of klink to pay for the clonks ;)
+DΛNTE : I find a good deal of these representations of armour are somewhat off with battle of the nations. Great melee action but I feel they look to chunky. Scholagladiatoria does a video explaining the representations of armour. I feel they need that bulkiness in BotN though because they're style of combat is simply hitting the person's body, so I guess its pretty logical to create further padding for such a scenario.
Tony Oliver real armor is "chunky". even wearing just maille, ull need to wear at least an inch of padding, similar to a "gamebeson". only about 100 years in the late Renaissance do u see the armor u may be imagining. for Hollywood stlye fighting it doesnt work. for real sword fighting it does. In Battle of the Nations, u have to look at the elite teams, like Russia or Ukraine to understand what i mean. They arent as much "brawlers" as they are swordsmen.
Tony Oliver also, the average fighter in BotN is triple the size of ur typical Medieval fighter. U gotta think how much more muscle mass the typical fighter today has from evolution, modern advancements and our over abundance of food. back then, a fighter would be a lot smaller in muscle mass on average, and would be lot smaller in the armor, even with all the fabric padding they'd have under it.
DΛNTE : It is true that people of history were, on average, a little slimmer than modern man. You're correct on the food thing too, think of how much food people today get, on average in comparison with activity. The only thing with size in the large scope of time that is the middle ages is that it varied from region to region. For example people in Yorkshire may have been taller than people from London. Which is somewhat evident today being that London's average is 5'10" and being only 2 inches shorter on average in the 1300's. It's not that there weren't large people, it just wasn't common for countries as a whole. So in battle you would have possibly had a more varied range of individuals than you would have today, depending on what regions they were pulled from.
Gorget of helmet is pretty suck this one block shoulders and its not fixed to cuirass ..and cuirass is for cavarly ...typical, if you buy armor part by part ..or without informations :/
At Agincourt the English butchered the French knights who were armored while the English were not. Trying to move with heavy armor while stuck in mud I guess is almost impossible.
actually most where captured and killed when held prisoner. The longbow did not do much against the full harness, though it could take out a horse The English men at arms did the most damage to the knights of the french. The longbow men ruined the lesser armored fighters and the crossbow men who had not got thier pravis shields with them.
yea my biological brother saw me one day and thought he could knock me down. I told him to charge and do his thing. When he ran into my armored body, he fell to the ground and got upset cause there was oil on his whitish shirt. lol, great memories, thanks for that.
+RegnatorWolf Why would he do that? Why would he even wear plate without protection underneath? He was just showcasing flexibility. This comment is useless.
Lord Arctus Yes, quite right, dear Lord Arctus. That was me aware. And as a person who thinks on others, I saw myself in the function to education. As a supplement. Just a supplement. My contribution brings really only a bit knowledge, nothing more. That's good for those who do not know it. And this is good, or not? In your own presumptuousness it would be better when you think again about it. Better think again before you do exactly this what you accused others. Pardon me, but i think my words sounds harder than i wanted. I am a German and can't find the right words to say that what i have exactly to say. In german it sounds softer and friendlyer than here. Greetings
+RegnatorWolf Exactly he should have voiders or sleeves of mail and a brayette or a mail skirt. Especially for fighting against someone else in armour...
Sorry to say but this armour is nothing like true medieval plate armour, you want an armourer to tailor the armour so that it fits perfectly. This piece in particular while it looks like plate armour represents pretty much none of the historical plate armours out there. Since you have a sallet I assume you were going for a gothic style but everything else just seems off, it's fantasy.
I had a child ask me if I could do a moonwalk about 2 months ago. Seems I do walk upon the Moon, though the eye's of these bodies will likely never see such things
@@anthonydobija3669 lol, Now that's interesting and funny. My dad was an electrician. Though I'll stick by your advice, and follow in his steps mwahaha, oh, thats so good
