Army Veteran Breaks Down John Walker Scene - Falcon and Winter Soldier 

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I like the fact that bad writing accidentally made the greatest character in Phase 4

John is a character who was mistakenly written as a good guy. Writers had their moments where they made him look socially inept but in the end, the man had principles and feels like a human.

As a veteran, I related to John walker more than just about any character in the MCU. He was a guy always wanting to do the right thing, selected for a position he was not sure to take but did it for the people to have their symbol. Tries to handle things peacefully and work with bucky and falcon, who do nothing but get in the way and talk down to him. Then when his best friend is killed infrint of him, he reacted the way any warrior would. And the most incredible part is that his priority after, was to visit his best friends family and give his deepest condolences. The way any honorable soldier fighting with his mates would.

What pisses me off is that the Flagsmashers kept wiping the floor with Bucky, Sam, Lamar, and John-all trained, experienced soldiers. Having super soldier serum doesn’t automatically give one incredible fighting skills. It boosts his or her stamina, strength, and speed. However, he or she would still need training to become an experienced fighter. In the finale, John and Bucky should have eviscerated the smashers because they are both enhanced and have professional fighting skills. The writers of this show are complete idiots.

The fact that people serving in the military could be punished and imprisoned just because politicians don't want to look bad is disgusting. It really makes one think twice about wanting to defend the country.

I like how John has a better underdog story than most of the newer characters The guy isnt charismatic, so he just gets bullied by everyone for not being good enough to them, even though he's doing everything he can to live up to the name, then gets thrown under the bus for doing what he saw as the right thing I still find it wild that bucky has a place to talk when it comes to hurting 'innocent people'

It's funny, in comic book land, EVERYBODY would have been okay with Wolverine doing this, hell he'd do worse, and has, but he's still seen as the good guy.

John Walker was the real hero of the show. Change my mind.

Imagine how impossible Boxing/UFC fighting would be if simply putting up hands to block an oncoming blow was universally considered “surrendering”

Also, in Mexico we have a saying: "Tanto peca el que mata la vaca como el que le levanta la pata", which roughly translated and simplified means: "He who holds down the cow is just as much of a sinner as he who kills it." Which means that even if you only helped someone do something bad instead of doing it by yourself, you're still guilty. So yes, that dude totally killed Lemar as much as Karlie did.

U know post endgame is a shitshow when the only good character is the one u r supposed to hate

IRL, if an escaping, unarmed terrorist who just attempted another terror attack after having successful ones a couple of weeks back, was killed by a pursuing agent, SF operative, soldier or policeman, I would fucking applaud and most likely make "Fuck around and find out" memes.

I didn't watch the show, so when people in EFAP comments said that John isn't justifiable in his actions because he killed a surrendering man, i assumed that man actually said:" I surrender! ", making it a morally gray action. Turns out no one was surrendering. How the hell people are arguing that Walker is a bad person is beyond me.

This actually raises a very interesting question - how would people who have taken a supersoldier serum (i.e. any drug than enhances physical abilities to clearly superhuman ones) have been treated in an armed coflict? You can't disarm them, you can't incapacitate them without breaking their arms AND legs, you can't be sure they are really out of the fight for good even. Honestly, in a world where such superserums are a thing, every military in the world would most likely add a clause that would authorize killing any enemy who's under the influence of such a substance regardless of circumstances. No one would be willing to risk mock surrender or something from an enemy who can literally kill a person wearing body armor in one punch without trying. Which, in turn, would explain why people would be hesitant to take any substance that can fit under the description of a supersoldier serum - they would be basically putting a 'kill on sight' marker on them in every fight.

Exactly my sentiments. Flagsmashers would not be considered civilians but fully armed soldiers at all times and the gov would have been able to justify johns actions pretty easily. There would have at least huge amounts of discussion in the White House. This was written via a perspective of a local police officer and arresting a normal civilian… hmmm wonder where they got the idea to portray a deadly arrest negatively during 2020?

And this here-is why I roll my eyes whenever someone clamours that "John got redeemed."

I find it funny how no one seems to have a problem with the Dora Milaje trying to murder Captain America (Walker) for literally no reason at all. Great video!!

Sams speech at the end was so cringe and hamfisted.

John Walker did nothing wrong

John Walker is honestly what saved the show for me

THIS IS WHAT I WAS THINKING WHEN WATCHING IT! John Walker's hate is completely undeserved

I wonder how the perspective would've changed if the terrorists were a remnant of Hydra.

This is brilliant. I’ve spent all week writing a judicial paper examining this scene and this gives me several new angles to approach the argument from. Thanks m8

I like John Walker’s character. Wyatt Russell is a breath of fresh air. Can’t wait to see what they’re gonna do with the thunderbolts or the dark avengers

The he appears to hack the guys head off is the part that’s really designed to make him look bad. There’s a brief pause and then he just starts hacking away with the shield. It’s not exactly the right way to do it, but it was an extreme circumstance, and John was still recovering from an ambush and his friends death. Bad writing is the real problem. His character is more heroic then Sam and Bucky throughout the show but they need him to actually be lesser than them. John can throw the shield hard enough to sink it into concrete, one angry throw should’ve been enough to kill on contact. Ignoring that, he knocks Zemo out with a blow to the head. So when he hits the terrorist in the head, he should d at least be knocked out. Sam and Bucky conveniently go running off some other direction instead of after John, so they’re not able to help anyone. The flag smashers wanted to kill Captain America, but then run away when they kill Lamar, instead of going after cap again. The show doesn’t seem to know what it’s doing. They make him a hero but want him to be an anti-hero. So they undermine everything he does and then force him into a ridiculous situation and trick people into thinking he’s totally wrong.

John Walker is a soldier, not a police officer. His actions seem to me to be on par when a soldier is dealing with an enemy combatant.

THIS!!! THANK YOU FOR THIS. I feel like no one would take me seriously whenever I would have to argue that John did nothing wrong, they do not know the rules clearly, as I stated a lot of these facts to them and it was like talking to a wall. You made amazing points here some I didn't even consider, and I loved it, was completely well explained and thought out.

Surprised I didn't see this video until recently. Definitely reflects how I view the whole situation as someone who has served in SOF. I also want to say that Wyatt Russell did a great job playing an Army Ranger/SF/SMU officer who is chosen to be a replacement Captain America, most Ranger or SF guys I've ever worked with have very similar personalities to Walker and are very well trained aggressive professional killers. They and I would all probably do the exact same thing John Walker did in this situation and throughout the whole series, especially right after the murder of one of our brothers.

John Walker is the actual hero in that show

Whilst John may have been too aggressive or hateful in certain parts, he was still a better character than Sam, who is apparently allowed to murder freely for some reason

People who say US Agent murdered someone who was surrendering have a lot to learn. If he surrendered, he'd have dropped everything and handed himself over the moment Karli killed Battlestar. In reality, the man was trying to run away to avoid arrest. He also tried to kill US Agent by throwing a slab of concrete at him. This action also could have injured or killed civilians. But apart from that, he surrendered.

You know what's actually funny that army veterans and Marine veterans come in the comment section telling me how I'm wrong and how John Walker is wrong for doing that when I clearly point out. that Captain America did the exact same thing and he has blood on his hands too. If you ever watch the medical video about the fights in the marvel MCU and how Captain America has literally killed hydra agents with his shield but when John Walker does it he's a villain.

Personal opinion: the right PR move would be to publish via official and unofficial sources a compilation of the flagsmasher's worst moments. If you have footage of Walker's friend being killed, that would be something you could include, to give context. In fact, you might even want to have something like that ready to drop in case the mission has a PR flop like it ends up having.

You really understood his character. Perfect explanation, thank you. This video deserves a lot more views and likes fr.

Did this guy really just casually drop how he stopped a cloud be bomb threat and expect us not to call him out. My guy, you're a hero

I already liked walker as a character (him really being the only one I liked on this whole show), but now I honestly just like him more.

Finally, a breath of some fresh air and common sense.

John Walker was the real hero in this whole series

John Walker EARNED the shield in this series. He went through everything Cap did. He trained like hell, he fought in war, he distinguished himself and retained his modesty. And when he got the big job, he survived all his critics, haters, threat after threat and the death of his best friend. And even in his darkest hour of grief and pain, he STILL dragged himself to his feet and went back to work, even though the government had stripped him of everything. With Steve gone, John Walker is the real Captain America. Nobody else!

if someone saw their childhood best friend killed right in front of them then they'd be rightfully angry

thank you for your service

Man, this is a very underrated video. You were spot on!

Excellent video. This was really informative, especially on the rules of engagement bits.

This is excellent, thank you for your insights and analysis. We need more informed voices like yours in discussions like this.

John Walker was a worthy successor to Steve Rogers. The government they served though, were not worthy to the ideals of Captain America.

Thank you for your service. And great video 👍

I love when war veterans enter the conversation =)

Walker was in the wrong show. He needed to be in a show like The Boys, which was 100 percent committed to being a deconstruction of the superhero genre. Instead he exists in a weird gray area of the MCU, and it's like it can't decide what to do with him. I felt it when Val showed up. I love JLD, but her...over the top tone really clashed with Walker's realistic anger. It's like the writers were like, "Okay, John's making too much sense here, lets bring in the Hydra stuff again."

if i remember correctly john indroduces himself by name then captin amarica. Some people thought that made him vain but its litrely his job/rank

Actions have been right and justified. He was facing murderous terrorists who, due to being Super Soldiers, are never unarmed as they are the weapon. Plus the guy didn't surrender he just tried to shift the blame to his leader. Luckily that dirtbag didn't get away with it.

John Walker is the real hero of this show. I don’t even like Sam and Bucky anymore, just give me more of John Walker.

He's a hero to me. I almost fell for the show's framing, but always knew deep down that there was something. And there it is, people are dissecting the writing and the mechanics of it to point out how the show is trying to demonize a person who Steve himself would have probably approved of.

for those that know in their heart of hearts, he was Captain Based all along.

This is 100% correct. However, this is a response to people who refer to Nico as an innocent and unarmed person pleading for his life rather than a super soldier terrorist who just aided in a murder and attempted a murder. So, rationality and critical thinking may be lost on those people. These people are going to see what they want to see, or at least what the writers want them to see, not what’s actually coming through on the screen.

This whole video is why after the episode I was baffled people were against John for doing this. Even more so the government turning on him, the response is simple. “The Flag Smasher in question is 1 part of a known terrorist organization, 2 orchestrated a kidnapping of a decorated soldier, 3 attempted to murder Captain America, and 4 attempted to flee. There’s no reason why John got the short hand. I figured he’d have gotten covered by his superiors and his ego would have gotten even bigger.

Not even Disney knows what are there message in there movies

This video reminded me how much I loved my hate for John Walker evolving into liking him. Despite all of these super serums and unbreakable metals, he is still one of the most realistic characters in the mcu up to date.

Man, we need more people like John Walker in the world.

Okay, you convinced me! I see that the writers erred in not hiring a veteran as a technical advisor and having Walker kill a super terrorist in self-defense in front of civilians. They would have prevented such legal and tactical errors in the script. To present him as a war criminal, he should have killed normal civilians, recruited a private army and became a warlord and cult leader, like Col. Kurtz did in "Apocalypse Now," instead, whether by mistake, malice, or an emotional outburst. He probably should have shown criminal behavior, such as domestic violence, child abuse, a'la "The Great Santini," substance abuse or political extremism in his service record, even if it would have made his installment as Captain America unlikely. I am surprised the Army did not dose both him and Battlestar with the Super Soldier Serum when they gave him their costumes and shield. It would have saved his partner's life! Both were given super powers in the original '80s comic book. This is a failed deconstruction of the super soldier archetype. Isaiah Bradley's turn as the first Captain America in WWII was a much better "dark and edgy" deconstruction of a government that creates and deploys super soldiers: a racist, pre-Civil Rights Era government exploiting African American super soldiers during WWII and the Cold War.

John Walker is a reality check

Thank you for making this video and sharing your experiences! I learned so much, I hope you're doing well! Also I was so confused why people were hating on John, from the beginning I didn't see any malice coming from him.

I didn't know I needed this, but thanks. I've always believed in John Walker.

found your channel through EFAP and I couldn’t be happier this may be my favorite video so far though your Loki commentary is a close second. great editing, good script just quality content overall. looking forward to watching your future videos!

Thank you for this! John’s character was severely misunderstood by lots of people who watched the show. I liked him from the start.

John Walker was the most interesting character in the whole show

You know, one thing I hate about this phase of the MCU is the lazy storytelling way that they literally have the general public onscreen to tell the general public watching the show how to react. We have the shocked onlookers showing their disgust when Walker kills that guy, and at the end we have the cheering crowds for "Black Falcon" at the end of the series. We also have set photo from the Ms. Marvel show of her on a street and in the background a police barrier and the public cheering her on. It's such a lazy way of doing it, depicting the public on the street either validating or crucifying the characters. You can't just tell people how they are supposed to feel about these characters.

This was very educational. Thank you so much for making this!

You honestly Made me rethink this man thanks. After listening to this i feel like there was actually an easy fix for this, more or less. Just have the flag smasher actually surrender like you said, by holding his hands above his head and saying „I give up“ but John still kills him and goes to jail like he should and then you have this woman, i dont remember her name, bust him out like nothing ever happened and clean his record, showing that she has connections and power in a scene. Just a rough idea but it could be an approach to fix this scene.

Exactly John did what he had to do, so quit hating him.

John was right they killed Lamar

I would like to point something out about that, the punch that killed Lamar (as far as I recall) wasn't to his head, throat, or even stomach. It was right on his chest, specifically his sternum. Now I'm not a doctor but I'm pretty sure that a hot to the sternum that kills a man with one impact is one that crushes/breaks all of the bone there and likely crushes the heart. The amount of force need to crush the chest cavity like that while also throwing the person's body through the air is going to be something ridiculous. I'm pretty sure if the puch was in his stomach the first would have gone through his body. Oh and there's enough force to send a fully grown man flying, but not just that. Instead of the chest bones flexing and not breaking as the energy of the punch is transfered into making Lamar fly it makes Lamar fly, and crushes his, oh and there's enough excess force from all of that to crack the solid stone pillar when he impacts it... I think the durability and power is on the level the the flag smashers can probably punch through cars. Armed and extremely dangerous indeed.

i can tell soo many wrong things with the series,,at teh end walker a trained in the rangers is beated by a 1,65 metres girl that got NO COMBAT training at all ,very realistic..

Jonh Walker needed another win after that and thank you.

More people need to see this video. It's great!

Wanda is just “misunderstood” when she tortures an entire town to fulfill her fantasy yet Walker is a villain when he kills someone that justifiably should die? MCU logic at its finest

I know I'm two years late but I recognized the place where John killed the Flag Smasher. It took me a few seconds but I confirmed it with Google Maps. This was undoubtedly filmed in Prague, Czech Republic. Right underneath Wenceslaus Square, if you go away from the National Museum all the way to the bottom of the square, stare at the New Yorker building, then take a cca 8 o'clock turn and go through the little passage, you end up right at the spot, at Jungmann's Square. You can see them running directly from the big, dark, wooden door, which is an entrance to a tiny little park in front of a church. The stairs where the kill happens are not actually there, that must have been added by the film crew. You can see an escalator in the background, which is the Line B entrance to the "Můstek" metro station. The concrete object the terrorist throws at John is a commonplace trashcan. They are, indeed, made of concrete and are common in the centre of Prague. Feels neat to spot such a detail in a TV show.

Hahhaah this show is soo dumb. Could you imagine a war where you are not allowed to kill the enemy, while they keep bombing you??

This is literally the best review channel

I'm three minutes in, and as a black man who once upon a time had aspirations of joining the air-force, I'm agitated... You'd think the writers would've done their research on the laws John Walker broke or didn't break when killing Lamar. But I get it, as this was meant to play to propaganda. Thing too is I'm also a writer, and B.S. like this has resolved me to give better black representation in the media than this pigeon holed garbage.

18:05 Exactly, Thank you! 👏 Incredibly well explained video. Hypocrite people has been using this scene as a pathetic excuse to hate him when other characters have done bad and worse things. He's an amazing character and my favorite now in the MCU.

I'm gonna get everyone mad by posting this but whatever.... Spy x Family, a cute wholesome comedy anime actually write better story about war veteran, and understanding about terrorism situation better than Falcon and winter soldier. There i said it.

Thank you for your service in the us army and entertaining us through your reviews

John Walker is the real hero of This story. All these stupid ass super hero movies have conditioned people to believe the good guys don’t kill when I know better from experience that sometimes the only way to truly prevent them from being a threat to you or anyone else is to arrange a meeting with Jesus. If we were doing things like we did in the old west that man would of hung for his crimes I’m just stating facts.

The problem with Hollywood today; feelings > facts. This is dumb enough at the best of times, but when these writers are writing cop shows, military shows, political shows...it presents a dangerous image of a world that is messed up, and impressionable SJW viewers end up believing it all. Suddenly military procedure is thrown out the window in favour of how relatable someone is.

This was a fantastic video. I really enjoyed it a lot. Now if I might chime in from a writing standpoint, I think the point of this was the fact that when placed in similar circumstances, Steve (Captain America) did not kill, but found another way. This is a universe where we have power-dampening handcuffs and Asgardians aid earth-based governments. To go back to the ROE aspect, I would see this as an excess of force. The Flag smasher is done well before John stops. It would be the same thing as if you reached an LOA after assaulting an objective, and afterwards walked back to the corpse of a fallen enemy and shot it a bunch more times. This, if reported, would absolutely be an issue for military court marshal. However, the whole point of the show was to build John Walker as a foil to Steve. He's a guy that, on paper, was the closest thing to Steve Rogers the Army could find, but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. He is set up as a straw man antagonist solely because he was placed into the position artificially against what had been agreed upon by Sam and the government. John technically did nothing wrong, he was not aware that Steve gave Sam the shield in Endgame, but the audience is which makes John's acceptance of this role feel inherently wrong. Now, I actually loved Walker. I think he's the best part of that show and is the only reason I am even remotely excited for Thunderbolts. However, I do agree with you, a lot of the vilifying of the character comes across as super hollow.

Sam showed more compassion towards the terrorist girl than he did towards the army vet with ptsd. Then he had the audacity to tell the Senator to do "better". Lol

Thanks for your service and video

Loved this video and been enjoying Your content!! Thank You for Your service!!

I hope the character comes back in upcoming movies

Thank you for your clarification, I liked your argumentation very much It is a very understated point in Superhero Fiction that every super powered individual is Armed and Dangerous All The Time to a point were normal civil policing personell and equipment are just not enough.

A much more fascinating and unintentionally well written character than Ms. Im-not-a-terrorist.

person with common sense and actual combat experience? yeah.... pretty sure no one workin with this show has EITHER of those qualities. the fact that I have to keep watching people i like covering garbage is getting old. cant they write something decent every once and awhile?

the shot of John standing with the bloody shield goes hard af

thanks for this john walker hate is unnecessary

Most misused character. Russell was awesome as Walker but the show was trash.

I'm not a soldier and while I have martial arts training I'm no expert. However, I am a Paralegal and thus know how Self-Defense works namely you are permitted to use lethal force against someone if that same person has already used lethal force against you or against another person and they are a threat. The Flagsmashers already did this during the fight with Lamar and after killing him they effectively became full blown murderers on sight, meaning they are now a genuine threat and thus are a danger to anyone around them. And as is pointed out in this video because they are super soldiers they are far more dangerous than ordinary people and likely unless they are unconscious or in chains or someone like Thor, Iron Man or Hulk is around, they remain a threat to all the civilians in the area. So no Walker was perfectly in line to kill that guy and the only reason he's presented as a bad guy is because he was written by modern Disney who love vilifying Straight, White, American men in order to prop up Diverse individuals like Sam who I'd like to point out immediately after this takes place assaults Walker, breaks his arm and steals the shield away from him despite Walker being given the shield by the US government, meaning Sam has NO claim to take it away from him. And what's even worse, he does more harm to Walker, a freaking veteran who just saw his best friend get murdered by Carly, yet when he goes against Carly, a mass murdering terrorist who said to Sam's face she's gonna keep killing people, he treats her with kid gloves. The longer I look at this series the more I fucking hate it and the writers for what they did. What should've been the ending of the seriesis Walker confronts the Flagsmashers in New York like we see except now he's full blown terminator and utterly destroys them without any level of mercy. Remember Walker is a decorated and well trained soldier who was in top condition before taking the serum while Carly and her group are a bunch of untrained 20 somethings who've never seen real combat. Thus Walker utterly tears them apart, crippling or killing several of the other smahers before going after Carly who tries to fight him off but John casually tanks everything she throws at him and he beats her bloody, breaking a limb or two while verbally tearing into her about all the misery she's caused, to him, to Lamar's family and so many more and that he's officially done playing nice with her. Sam and Bucky try to stop Walker but Walker is officially done listening to them, pointing out how all he wanted was to fight alongside them and work together but they spat in his face. So he murders carly right then and there.

I cant believe I've completely forgotten this show existed. It kind of sucks that there wasnt a season 2.

That show was baddly writen and needed John Walker to be the bag guy, but didn't care to write the world well enough to make him one.

John is a better Captain America than Sam or Bucky. There I said it