Army Withdraws from the Pacific and Indian Ocean | Army Plans to Lay Up its Prepositioning Fleet 

The ethical intelligent ones move on. The rest stay and get promoted. I’m a Vietnam veteran.

guess which self-appointed smart chosen people makes around a quarter of all officers? the exact same ones HR 6090 was passed to forbid any criticism of. 🙄

The current executive has a lot of ties to China through family. He's doing what's best for himself and his family.

Nepotism

I have maintained for DECADES that at least half of high ranking officers are a waste of skin or worse corrupt. This is just more proof.

from what ive seen in germany, theres a whole local private industry in supplementing these logistics. and I remember US soldiers complaining about the lavish budgets to go with it.

Even to support a single aircraft you have a large ground support crew, from messing, to needing security there, to needing a whole slew of ground support equipment that has to go there. Plus you need a runway first and foremost, which is not easy to airlift. 6 aircraft needed at least 4 transport aircraft for crews and tools, and another 10 vehicle convoy with heavy trucks, that took the stuff that does not fit, and then another 2 dozen general purpose trucks, and 100 warm bodies, rented from the Army, to provide the grunt work to assemble tents, put up the camouflage revetments for the aircraft, and provide security for the perimeter. Then also you needed water tankers, a few fuel tankers, and as well generators for power, to run mess and power the ground equipment, plus an important one being the honeysucker to keep the smell down, and some form of garbage disposal as well.

I found a list of what was loaded on the USNS Watson in 1999, one of the 8 big modern ships that makes up most of APS 3 at Diego Garcia. Not 100% sure what all of them are, but it's a lot and that is one of 8 vessels. AR BN HQ Armor Battalion HQ Company 2 AR CO Two Armor Companies (28 M1s + support) 2 MECH CO Two Mechanized Infantry Companies (lots of brads) FA BTRY Field Artillery Battery (155mm SP) FA SVC SPT Forward Support Company for FA Battalion (or part) FIST Fire Support Team (For the Armor Battalion) 2 ADA PLT Two Air Defense Platoons (probably brads) ENG CO Engineer Company MI CO Military Intelligence Company CM CO Chemical Company MP PLT Military Police Platoon MST Maintenance Support Team ??? 2 HET PLT Two Heavy Equipment Transport Platoons HET PLT HQ HET Co HQ Platoon TC PLS PLT Truck Company PLS Platoon OD PLT Ordinance Platoon? 2 TC CGO PLT Two Truck company Cargo Platoon ? EN CO CBT HY Engineer Company, Combat, Heavy CGO XFR CO Cargo Transfer Company SPD ??? POL SUP PLT POL Supply Platoon TC PLS CO PLT Truck Company Palletized Load System Company Platoon TC POL PLT Truck Company Petrolum, Oil, and Lubrication Platoon MSC Movement Control Team

@@k53847 yup the person that thinks getting ride of ship instead of replacing old ships is STUPID !! "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein

But that would be...what, 6 C17s? Maybe 5 in a pinch? That is a big chunk of aircraft in a normal sense, but not for a combat op. EDIT: You meant total sustainment over a whole deployment, didn't you? Not just having tanks on hand for an airfield seizure, like Panama in 1989.

the _morro-nick_ Perfumed Princes of the Pentagon™ strike again. smart dudes, dudettes and abominations our ancestors never though were in our future... 😘🤢

SNAFU & FUBAR!!!

Every country in the region already has KFC and Pizza Hut, so logistics are not a problem...

the recent iranian isnotreal interaction showed that 1 day into a war in pacific there will be no surviving bases to land boats at. they are getting rid of them because they are a cost that can be cut without really effecting war fighting ability in a peer power conflict

As a Navy retiree, I to have to admit - You haven't won the war unless you have boots on the ground.

+100 for Baby Got Back reference.

Was wondering how many caught that quick jab. 😂

That's when I paused and hit "like" I watch about everything from Dr Sal. I'm a maritime professional, and Master Mariner, and Sal is a great resource. And I too like big boats, and can not lie.

Outstanding comment!

"trying to be responsibly involved in the running of a democracy" You HAVE to be joking. You Americans do not live in a 'democracy' - your political model is as corrupt as they have ever been in history. Reform your two Houses, remove lobbying groups, set term limits, remove dual-loyalty politicians from Office. That's a good start, but keep going. The sight of little UKR flags being waved by your defective Members was nauseous.....

Great info for the enemy...

I hadn't got to that part when I first read this comment and was like TF is this guy talking about lmao.

For good reason.

"I like big boats, I cannot lie": Sal mix a lot.

No only keep it but expand it

Truth! I'm not a huge fan of our bristling military ready to wage war, but this seems like a preparedness and security issue. If we have to transport people or equipment quickly, we can't do it effectively. That should be so wrong to these generals. Instead, they're oblivious.

Ready for WHAT??,aren't American s sick of war, war war, whens the last time the U.S fought against a well established and equipped modern army...ready for who? What? Why?

Well, the welders are going to have to make a boat in a day and I have faith in those guys. They never changed and are still able to do it. See many young people who can do it too

Hint: They are called MARINES for a reason... Marines arent very bright, lol.

@@Despiser25 I scored so high on the ASVAB they wanted to send me to OCS .. but I had read catch 22 .. so I said No ..

Our crayons are tho!​@@Despiser25

What’s your point

The Marines got rid of their tanks. They gave them to the Army and they just put them in storage. Countries don’t want them right now. They want new tanks and/or tanks that they can produce partially or completely in country.

It has nothing to do with military experience. If you can take a map, show a person they are here with a bunch tanks, fuel trucks, etc... and they cannot answer how you get across the blue part with said tanks, you have a problem with the human in general. And to be blunt, there are far more former military personal working as lobbyists and defense contractor specialists that are in congressional offices day in and day out than members of congress, and apparently none of them are pushing the issue either. And you apparently also missed the part where none of the military leaders said anything about it to Congress either.

@@LackofFaithify Pretty much what this guy said. If you spend any amount of time in the military outside of the typical 4 year (or even 3 year back when I enlisted) 'I joined for the GI bill and college money' guys, your best out after putting in your time is jumping ship directly over to the private sector. You get to have a lot of the same "fun" perks you had access to in the military, but you get air conditioning, breaks, and on top of it all make bank doing it. I don't want to go as far as saying those people who end up in the private sector and/or end up lobbying Congress will 'sell out', for lack a better term, their own country and watch it go to hell all because they're making money hand over fist doing it, but well... kinda makes you wonder. Either money changes people *that* much and alters one's willingness to not speak up or ask questions and would just sit passive watching things happen that you know are bad for the country just because you don't want to get booted off the gravy train, OR the other option of it's honestly just as bad as we probably think it is and those people just realize the military industrial complex is so engrained into our politics and economy that no matter what they do, the corruption isn't going away and nothing is going to change whether they blow a whistle or not, so they just try and get theirs while they have the opportunity and hope to check out eventually before losing their entire soul to that entire DC cesspool.

@@fubar5884 No, his point was that there are not enough MoC with time served in the military sitting on defense related committees. My point is that this is a complete load of BS as there are even more former members of the various components of the military doing the lobbyist merc routine as there are actual congress critters. Because you were in the military means absolutely nothing when it comes to our revolving doors: they are just as happy to engage in the many ways corruption has been legalized in this country as anyone else. The very first part was just pointing out that if some one can't grasp that the US needs sea transport to move all of our heavy metal across the blue stuff, they are either insanely stupid, or back to the corruption, I mean lobbyist/revolving doors, issue.

@@LackofFaithify Dude, I was agreeing with your original post. You need to get off the internet for a bit if you walk away from a "Yeah ditto" remark as someone contrasting what you said.

@@fubar5884 Misread your opening sentence as a reference to the original post.

Then picks a fight with Russia without enough ammo.

​@@class2instructor32?

It would seem that leadership in the U.S. is neglecting the discussion of logistics. What does that say about them?

Marine General Smedley D Butler did the best analysis

That’s been the problem for decades… logistics ships are always the back burner until it is half dead and can’t be ignored.

I went to the Army National Guard, just so I could spend my 6 years ( 1975-1981) on Army Vessels 😊 when I first went in before Basic, the First Sargent found out I loved all things boating 😊 he said he would get my paperwork in order for me to transfer from the ( let's go out on a Army Base) and play cards between shooting tons of ammo. It was so boring. He said what ever Company Commander says, just keep telling him, I want to be on BOATs for my 6 years. And he was so right, the CO just yelled at me, his numbers needed soldier, why in God's green earth 🌎 would I want to be on ships, why did I not go in Navy then. I told him I joined to be home, and just do 6 years weekend DRILLS, two weeks of summer camp ( and it was like boy scouts summer camp) anyway I just kept repeating myself. The CO said he would make my life hell, on weekend DRILLS. All he would have me do is ( KP) my whole point is it's like Army Leadership steers the younger NEW people AWAY from any on the water training, except back then, you did a drill with Army rubber rafts. (Army Rangers) Later on we did special training with Army Rangers in the area. ( LCM-8s) The majority of the whole unit was full of LCMs. We also had the sister ship of the movie ( Mr.Rodgers) 😊 we had a very old crane ( that when surplus) bought by a private marine contractor. Is still working today in his fleet of crain barges. Again I can't stress it enough, the powers to be shy any NEW recruit AWAY from anything on the WATER the Army does. In my Humble opinion it's so the command can say "LOOK" Army bean counters we don't have the personal to keep this ready Reserve fleet operational The great First Sargent pushed my paperwork through, although my MOS did not change ( Wheel vehicle Mac.) it still helped me working on my favorite duty a 45 foot Tug. You now how people forget there DI from basic name ( ST-2154) was the baby tug I spent 6 years on. Sadly my great unit that had a huge ( FMS) barge was switched to Army Reserve fleet. They did get some very Advanced build type of tugs Tow/ tug boats, so both push bows and big Ballard pull winches on stern. My 45 foot badly had no galley and only two bunks. The new builds have full gallys and crew quarters. They put a enclosed pilot house and raised the structure on the LCMs. When I was in they looked like WW-2 Landing crafts. With just open tops and rifle slots. I saw inside of the updated ones at a port open house. The design of the enclosed helm was amazing how they gave room for small galley and berthing. YES even at very end of Vietnam, they were pushing every new soldier in Army away from a time in service NOT to be in water. It really made my 6 years enjoy cruising on that small Tug 😊❤😊

@@rp1645 Sargent Shriver?

It adds an incredible level of sophistication to Sal's channel. 😅

crisis management actually means making crisis....to make money out of it... (an open secret nobody wants spilled out in the open)

Wars always cost lives

It's not that you are not preparing for war you always think that you have a superior military and the rest of the world are Sandler wearing goat hearders. Even the sandle wearing goat hearders of Afghanistan destroyed your military.

Great common sense idea! But considering they've lost the whole purpose for the prepositioning fleet, I think they might need someone to break it down to crayons.

It’s cheaper to outsource than to do it in house because of maintenance cost, labor, fuel, benefits etc plus a Congressman can’t profit off insider trading from buying stock in that commercial shipper or get “campaign contributions” or expensive trips paid for by lobbyists or kushy revolving door job waiting for them in the private sector if we spend more money on the Army logistics . If you think the Army logistics ships are old, you should see the floating rust buckets that the few commercial shippers use that are still American flagged. Yikes.

Used to be. But these big shipping companies wanted the piece of the pie. So they lobbied. So now, it's based on "competitive" bids. Us navy cannot ship stuff wiout going thru a tender.

I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully.

@@JinKee Mr Limpet pulled it off …!

Yes but they seem to pay the most money to live near water!

​​@@stephenrickstrew7237And many of us know how that turned out.... 🧜🏼‍♀️😎✌️

Makoko would like a word..

“Saddam showing his butt” ! Do I detect some American jingoism there !

@@khunmikeon858 Do you forget who Saddam Hussain was?

@@khunmikeon858 I think you detect some 'I like leaders who aren't using chemical weapons against their own people' jingoism. I don't care what your nationality is, I'd like to think we could all agree on that much.

@@obsidianjane4413 Wasn't he the cousin of Saddam Hussein- the guy the US propped up and armed against Iran until they didn't need him anymore?

@@lzcontrol Which do you have more of pedantry or simpleton?

"I like big boats and I cannot lie, You other brothers can't deny"... It could be a good PR campaign slogan by Sir Mix, he's from Seattle, they have a base in Bremerton. Thanks.

I don't think the air force have prepositioned ships...the air force has their stock on land. So they would fly their crew to pick up the stock, but it would be closer than the US, and allow less cargo planes to be used.

My Father was a Radioman 1st class onboard an US AIR FORCE RESCUE VESSEL in Jamaica 😂

When he first showed it, me a former Army Combat Engineer said "Wait, that's not right" Then he showed the whole thing and I said, "Ah, there we are, down in the corner!"

🤣 I know...I am lucky!

The cost in human life has already been huge with them

This is something which I didn't consciously know a lot about, but maybe picked up on living in the Norfolk/Virginia Beach area. Logistics and preparation seemed common sense to me. Hearing Sal talk about what these brass in DC are doing, makes me wonder if they've completely forgotten relatively recent history. Even if we're not fighting a war, those ships play a vital role, especially in humanitarian situations. It's been mortifying to see the pier/humanitarian aid project be delayed by rickety vessels breaking down. Not a good look. Also, another person who talks about our military's readiness, though in completely different contexts, is Beau of the Fifth Column. You might find him interesting.

@@erinmac4750 Thanks, I'll look him up.

You are the only one to say what's important !! Nothing but warmongers in this video !!! No words but weapons of war !! Sickening to see this immorality and support for war!! Is this what GOD WANTS FROM MEN ?? glorifying killing , death, destruction turns them on ???

And become sitting ducks awaiting invasion? Brilliant idea bro

@@nunyah8705 Yeah because we're so at risk of an invasion at home. Concern yourself with geography and relax a bit. We start the wars, we don't have any real experience suffering the consequences of landings on our shores or our cities being firebombed. Transport ships are not about self defense if you're moving the Army to another continent. Think before you speak.

@@nunyah8705😂😂😂

@@ColonelHoganStalag13💯💯💯

Lol international effort to weaken U.S, what a joke, no no that will be U.S causing it's own weakness U.S foreign policy is crumbling and as a result your country becomes isolated, you should know by now majority of us around the world dont like war, specially if your paying for it,

The point is they're NOT thinking of doing a D-Day, particularly with no notice. Do you know HOW LONG it took to get ready for D-Day? We need to send a brigade somewhere (Ukraine?) next week why?

​@gandydancer9710 I'm reminded of the cocksure and self confident plans for Operation Sledgehammer (invasion of France in late '42) and how they barely scraped enough tonnage for the more distant but numerically less ambitious Torch landings, and still had a ton of operational losses and inefficiencies against an opponent that put up only token resistance (Vichy France). This seems like a risky move when there's no longer the manpower and industrial base to spin up and churn out supplies and merchant vessels like the 1940s, particularly when the lethality of modern antishipping weapons are considered. What there is on-hand might be all there is for the duration of a modern conflict in the SCS.

They started before September 1942… (overlord planning) and the waterproofing of vehicles was only reliable in 9/10 vehicles by March 1944. Having started proofing back at the start of 43. All in support of landing.

@@TheRealHooptiesOfGeneseeCounty How is the problem that we can't replicate the invasion of France in '44 solved by creating the ability to move a brigade for some period before it's declared that all the ships built to do it are too old? What seems to me like worse than a "risky move" is spending $billions on dumbness that will get us nothing important.

@@gandydancer9710 "why?" When Putin send his orcs into Poland or Latvia and they throw down the Art. 5. The huge stockpiles and the sealift capacity the US maintained throughout the Cold War and even today, is from the painful lesson that lack of capability costs lives. Si vis pacem, para bellum.

The older a historian is, the more first hand knowledge of the subject they have... 😂 Thanks for another great video, Sal!

You are struggling with a dilemma. How do you provide for Americans and provide for national defense? You are correct that it is intentional. Something has to be sacrificed if you want to provide Americans with cheaper health care, get through COVID, build out industrial capacity, pay off college student debt, etc… This has always come at the cost of the military, because is discretionary spending. The United States has the luxury of two large oceans and fairly peaceful neighbors. This stuff is fun to talk about and learn about, but it is not currently necessary within the constraints of the military budget.

Our billionaires looked at pre-covid russian oligarchs with their yachts paid for with corruption money, got jealous, and said "I'll have what they're having!"

Yeah and China just pays Biden as an advisor lol.

Unfortunately the Neoliberalist politicians since Regan are paid for by lobbyists focused on a profit, and not country.

​@@wyw876Spot on.

Great story!

Spent time on an LPH. The hammocks were not great. But we we claimed a ready room with the ocean breeze and a view. One guy had an eight track! Nobody said anything . The Navy were too busy and Marine officers kept to themselves in officer territory. But it got loud when choppers were right above warming up. No, wouldn't have liked it down where you were. Too deep.

Sad ?? Support for war and killing ?? Insults your killer instincts ???

@@OO7sMom October 7th just proved that war and killing doesn't go away just because we turn our eyes away. You can prepare for war, or you can prepare to hope your conquerors will be gentle with you.

I appreciate it!

If you understood how the Army War College and that sort of academic level of thinking worked, you would see that getting rid of the ships is a natural part of the process of force reshaping. They understand when a real war pops off, there's no time to get ships loaded and across the ocean. The sea lanes will be risky and the event largely turning nuclear in short order. Minor conflicts or proxy wars like Ukraine can be dripped in without being impacted by the lack of ships.

They are having a recruitment issue.

@@randywise5241Especially with the current administration and politics in the Pentagon. Shameful.

No, this is adapting to new conditions and circumstances in the World Order... IMO.

Putting a port on the shore of Gaza is not impressing me with the necessity of spending $billions on maintaining that kind of capability. So, no, what you call "shortsightedness" I call a glimmering of fiscal common sense.

Now tell us how much buying an Abrams and having it ready for combat costs so we can compare that with the deployment cost and get a feeling for just how relevant your numbers are.

and that is why they left so much stuff in afghanistan and other places. the same tank cost ~20 million at the shop, but the cost after a few year of usage and such and it drops significantly. and the real problem not even starts at the start. to maintain that tank it will need almost as much support in stuff every year if not used, every month if lightly used, or every week if it is even remotely close to combat usage.

In combat use for 1 hour it needs 8 hours service.

The C-17 can only carry one Abrams tank

​@@thorin1045 I had a feeling logistics were involved. When you're bringing in commercial planes to back-up the big dogs in moving people.... that's some shtf situation. Also, it also underscores why the war in Afghanistan was so costly. Thanks, GW, Rumsfeld, and Cheney.

And they have the same crew requirements, right?

But operational costs are equivalent, or not?

In the early 1990's, the estimated costs for the C-17 and the RORO was around 200million for each. The ships that are being retired now probably cost 200million. The C-17 is out of production. The cost would include setting up a new production line. A C-17 can lift one M-1 tank. The RORO can carry 50 or so M-1's, 100 Infantry Fighting Vehicles, a Battalion of Howitzers and supporting wheeled and tracked vehicles. The question will always be "the color of the money". Where does it go and what fund does it come from? LTG William 'Gus' Pagonis's book "Moving Mountains" has considerable details on the logistics of Desert Storm/Shield. It includes the arrival of prepositioned supply ships.

Well firstly the C-17 is infinitely expensive given that production no longer exists. However lets just go with C130 which is 75 million. You can pretty much replace a c17 with 3 c130's its not perfect. more fuel, more pilots etc. But more flexability and nicely given were going to teh pacific much more places you can land as far as unimproved airfields and short runways. But we can probably make 3 new c130's quite a bit faster than a new roll on. That's a bit sad but true. Though perhaps if we just said screw it and asked for example south korea to build them for us we could get them quickly while we built the ship building facilities stateside to eventually take over.

@@sparkzbarca Why would we want to "take over" if the Koreans can do it?

We are in Eisenhower's new look right now. How's that working out for you? The trouble with these "new looks" is that they don't bring in their limitations. These programs must have boundaries on all sides.

they're also working hard on resurrecting "McNamara's morons" but this time they're promoting 'em to the top... 😋👌

The US government can do the same. It's done it before.

China's been speedrunning extra ROROs in the last year, in order to dump excess EV production anywhere else other than empty valleys at home, but if push comes to shove...

They worry about having enough Amphibs, when a little imagination and they could have much larger amphibs for less money.

We must stop trying to play the image of ancient Rome, history proves that no nation which became morally decadent ever yet survived. All this military spending for constant show of enforcing our will upon others for the sake of a fiat currency hegemony is actually destroying us rather than making us greater and more accepted as a nation. America must see America first when politicians meet and legislate at every level for the sake of survival as not only a nation, but for the sake of individual rights and freedom according to the Constitution and our Bill-Of-Rights, We as a nation are using this currency system of reserve currency as a weapon and a ruse for making us appear as something we are not. Freedom cannot be sustained by the will and manipulation of a few oligarchs in the banking and industrial complex, " We the People " are the hope of what our forefathers envisioned not this damned oligarch controlled system which is driving the world to nuclear annihilation for their lust of control.Militaristic expansion will not sustain us as a nation, we must return to sustaining and rebuilding our country, economically, politically, culturally, and independently or else we shall surely come to the end of our existence because of a self deceived ideology we are exceptional in the history of nations.We were at one time exceptional when we truly promoted peace but that was many years ago and now we are a nation in decline not by foreign design but by our own self deceived vanity and arrogance. In my opinion not only this military shipping should be scrapped, but our worldwide military base and compound deployments should be closed and our troops brought home now not later for the sake of national survival which is the most current and imminent need for national survival at this juncture of history.

Wow, thank you!

Without Humor it would be a dreary story

"you need big boats, I can not lie"

@@stephenrickstrew7237American incompetence and imperial decline

they're gonna be pretty busy tyrannizing their own civilian populations for the sake of their kosher elites.

Behind what?

Ya behind what most of what China is building hardly works or can't be filled to even be used.

I remember it, but I don't see its relevance.

Yes. We remember. The US attacked Iraq. So…

We asked them to help us cover our East Coast. They were unable to help us out because of the condition of their submarine "fleet". Spending max funds on "healthcare" seems to have led to a deficit spent on defense - but they've known we'd cover them.

Accountants always act as if it's THEIR MONEY being used and are reluctant to say otherwise.

Were you part of the Invasion of Spain? All the reserve ships broken out that just made it across the Atlantic and broke down near Rots Spain …..

​@@Richard-od7ydAccountants do what they're told. It's the public who want free everything and somebody else to pay for it, and vote accordingly who you should look at. The rot isn't in the soldiers, sailors, or ship builders. It's in the very fabric of the country and the people's desires for the good life at no cost to themselves.

@@josephpadula2283 Yes we broke down too. Singapore, Crete and Gibraltar. Gibraltar was as close as we got to Spain. Close enough to walk across the border.

​@@ryanward10 yep, plenty of Americans think cooking and cleaning is immigrant work 😅

Seriously! People should get shirts made and go to the Congressional hearings. Maybe the brass will notice then.

@@erinmac4750 Start a "Better Ask Sal" movement! Wake those people up, we are ill equipped to deal with a Far East conflict and making it worse is not going to help.

They’ve already hollowed us out economically. But my goodness - the cheap retail prices American consumers demanded came true. At a cost

​@@mosessupposes2571 consumers never "demanded" cheap consumer goods, the _merchants_ saw it as an opportunity to destroy the country's industries while milking Americans to the last cent with shitty cheap stuff with higher margins. 🙄

@@kittytrail If no one in the US bought the Chinese products, but continued buying only American made goods, that demand would never have been created. Supply and demand is an economic reality. American consumers chose, and now want to blame someone else for this precarious position we’re in.

@@mosessupposes2571 outsource, offshore, cheapen, make less durable stuff, buy ads, rinse, repeat 'til the herd is pennyless and the country turns into a third world one. sure, it's the consumers that were greedy... 🙄

Whatis dis 'Late Stage Empire?"I must have ABC's.Details.Spread the wealth.Go on......

Fortunately, the US is neither an Empire nor is it recalling troops. The US is currently preparing two additional facilities in the Philippines and have deployed a few extra troops in EU.

@@edl653 The US IS an Empire in all but name

I agree worse intelligence informative information isn't being taken seriously sadly

The US is no where close to “Last Stage of Empire”. The US hasn’t even reached the stage of Empire. We are about to hit stage of industrial and technological expansion mostly unlike any that has been in human history. There is currently more industrial build out in the US than during WW2. The US population is expanding, unintentionally and unplanned, then the US has ever undergone. We are still learning and comprehending technologies that will change the US forever such as fracking, the shale revolution, gene editing, and Artificial intelligence. You are struggling with change, which probably means that you are not suited to lead during that change and should likely just get out of the way.

Only at times, and only if you count boats as ships.

numbers don't tell the story of power... how many Army Super Carriers?

Army also has the most airframes as well.

@@raymarshall6721 airframes that are mostly Blackhawks...