Scene from season 3 when Rothstein sets Luciano and Lanksy up with the help from Massseria. Content provided from HBO, no copyright infringement intended. Arnold Rothstein, Luciano, Meyer Lansky, Boardwalk Empire
@@MrLTiger don't make it too obvious you abandoned education as soon as you could lmao or are you still at the age that you still think teachers are non-humans who sleep in coffins all summer long?
Luciano's growth is probably the biggest thing in this series. He may have been arrogant, and even impatient at times, but he was smart enough to take in new lessons. This was one of those rare times he almost let his anger get the better of him, had he not listened to Meyer, it could have gotten ugly. Having these experiences with people, even people he thought he could trust, ended up being big learning curves for him, and unlike many others, he was lucky - no pun intended - that he did not end up in Rothstein's bad books.
Everyone was in character so nicely here. Rothstein generally kept his cards close to his chest but I feel like Charlie's little explosion here would have been nicely met by the following exchange: Charlie: "You didn't lift a finger. You sit behind your desk... MAKING PHONE CALLS!! I'm out there in the real world!!!" Rothstein: "Would you like me to make a phone call to decide what happens to you next?" But to not engage him is also very potent. Charlie is out on a limb here, he doesn't have much to stand on if Rothstein doesn't engage him. Charlie is 100% in the right, but Rothstein doesn't have to explain himself to Arnold, Arnold simply benefits from the fact that Charlie can't do anything about it in the moment.
"All this time I thought I had some Civilizing effect, but there is only so much you can teach a person, until you reach the limits of his capabilities" - Rothstein
@@podshoh22 it makes plenty of sense. The concept of betrayal is 2 fold. It’s not only just disappointment but it’s that someone who is supposed not disappoint you, actually does it.
A lot of what made Luciano was the people around him.. he was a little bit of Arnold Rothstein, a little bit Paul Kelly, a little bit Masseria.. plus he initiated marinsano's plans for a family layout.
@@bryanl3452 that's very true, it's like he absorbed the current affairs and new ideas of the time and was fortunate enough (or talented enough) to put them into place successfully. A lot of people died before the mob became what it became, it was a very long process
Because he's angry but extremely aware of who he's talking to. A perfect foil for Lucky who gets angry and doesn't give a fuck about who he's talking to.
I don't know why, but I found Rothstein's facial expressions hilarious when Charlie was yelling at him XD He was like "Did you srsly learn NOTHING from me?"
On the surface Rothstein is well-spoken and has good manners. BUT, you can see it in his eyes, his sociopathic and murderous nature are boiling just underneath that skin. Unreal acting and my all-time favorite BE character by far.
I agreed maan!;) and i personaly love the guy that plays myer lansky... In this scence. I just soo love how myer lansky uses his brain right away in situations like this.... Speaking truthfuly. In real life. Is true. Myer lansky was short. But hes heart aannd mind. Was unlimited. Maan!;) thats why he lasted for soo long. He always uses hes best weapon. Hes mind!;) no gun no nife. Just hes mind. .. He was a brilliant man!;)
@@The_OneManCrowd if Jimmy wanted him dezth he would have been death. A.R. his money is why they tolerate him, and A.R. know how to play with it. But he is no real gangster. Nor a tragic figure. Luciano outsmarted him at the end with Lansky.
Mayer showing his Genius, knowing the situation they are in "Charlie if you don't shut up we are both dead, YES!?". Showing his manipulation skills. Making Charlie think clearly right away and make him understand they have 2 take it and there is no other option. All with just saying YES! Charlie also turning his anger into despair. That was the breaking point when Charlie realizes his loyalty 2 Rothstein means nothing. Its every man for himself & Power Great acting by this 2 guys in this scene
You're honestly telling me that you think he was a "genius" for that? you're telling me you think meyer was a genius because he knew they were cornered? really? I mean, he had plenty of "genius" moments in the show but this is not one of them.
@@patrickstarshooter5221 just now seeing this. He's genius for knowing what words exactly to get through to Luciano. When you end a question with yes. You are already manipulating the other person into agreeing with you. You've answered for them. Instead of thinking about what you say before, they are thinking about the confirmation. It no longer feels like being told to calm down, or being told this is the outcome, it's being told, you already agree with me and this is your decision, you just haven't come to it yet. It resets what their mind is focusing on. It reshifts the focus from AR to do I agree with my friend. Which is why that, shit he's right face was there. It is a genius tactic, don't think it's not just because the guy who brought it up was bad at explaining it.
Like Nucky told Meyer "I can't do business with a man who's too obsessed with winning". Or so hyper egotistical that he's not even willing to allow his students to progress out of his tutelage upon their own prosperity.
@@bolch88bb8 The flash back scenes were a little bit off putting to start with but they work toward an excellent ending, which made them all worth while. It was great imo EDIT: Got to the end before catching any spoilers and I really enjoyed it. I wish the show got a longer running though, and we got to see the years in between season 4-5 spread over a few more seasons. But considering this is the hand they were dealt, one more season, only 8 episodes, they did a sterling job,.
Tony Soprano’s father said it right....never be a degenerate gambler. He was right. As smart as Rothstein was....he never learned that. Like Wild Bill he took a bullet at the poker table.
He always understood business better. He knew the distinction between legitimate business and illegal business and put himself right in between. (In real life, not the show)
This scene sets up everything in season 5 perfectly it makes lucianos rise so much more satisfying they try to make him a villain but you cant help but root for him
I can't be the only one who finds Michael Stuhlbarg's eyes absolutely fucking stunning. On a more serious note, his performance as AR has got to be one of my favourites in the whole show.
+ELSingleton22 Yes...when I first started watching Boardwalk Empire and saw the character Rothstein, I thought he looked vaguely familiar. Finally I realized this was the meek little mathematics professor in "A Serious Man'...what acting chops Stuhlberg has.
Really like the A.R./Luciano patnership. Hope they don't dissolve it any time soon. Arnold really scares me though (2nd only to Mr. Rosetti). I mean, we've been exposed to the violent nature of other men in the show save for A.R.'s. His cool demeanor is obviously meant to disarm his opponents but - still waters run deep. I think he also has to think 5 steps ahead to stay in the game and stay cool. I think Lucky worships him but hates his patient approach to deals. I love their many contrasts.
Robert Fernandez yes it was around but Luciano is the one who created the Commission and the 5 Families with the governing rules that is still around today.
no erick, you are wrong. He simply abolished the title of 'boss of bosses' and made a ruling panel of top leaders from around the country to take votes on important matters. he didnt fucking "invent" the mafia. it has been a round for hundreds of years in italy and since the late 1800s in the USA.
He told them not to try the Heroin thing, but they thought if they borrowed money from his rival Masseria they could strike out on their own. Rothstein suspected this and had their heroin taken by corrupt cops under his control after they spent all the money and there was no way for them to get it back. He then used the captured heroin to force Masseria to end any potential hostility between them. So without costing him a penny he was now going to make a ton of cash in the drug business and he's nipped a potential gang war in the bud and reminded his two underlings that he is not someone to be trifled with.
@@Jason.cbr1000rr well " In they" Joe was talky about Jewish people. A.R end up screwing him out the Heroin and gave the Job to Meyer. Lucky did all of the work and end up getting screwed over by his own boss. Plus he end up getting nothing
@@CronoXpono That's actually not what really happened. If you remember, Lucky and Meyer came to Rothstein first with this deal, all the way back in season 2 actually. They told him that they were planning of going into the heroin business and they were the reason why A.R. realized just how much money there was to be made with heroin. Then in season 3 they wanted to expand their operation and asked A.R. to invest 100,000 $ ( which is like over 2,000,000 $ in today's money ) but Rothstein refused, telling them that he likes the idea but the time is not right. It's because he knew that Lucky won't just sit on his ass and wait for Rothstein to decide when the time is right, A.R. knew that the only man Lucky could turn to for financial backing and protection was Masseria, he counted on Lucky and Meyer going to Masseria and he already planned to screw them over and get in business with Joe "The Boss" Masseria. He used Lucky and Meyer to 1. Get into heroin business. 2. Get into the heroin business with their heroin thus not having to invest his own money. 3. Form an alliance with Masseria and in the process remove Lucky and Meyer from the entire thing, thus preventing them from getting too powerful to one day rival him ( which he failed to do as we all know ). In short, A.R. was a piece of shit in this show... and probably in real life as well.
@@MrDarkkamui You really over complicated that. AR didn't give a flying fuck about Joe. He was trying to teach them a valuable lesson on the street and business. Remember he was their mentor in real life.
It's basically short for "You agree with me, don't you?". It's a rhetorical trick to say something and get the other person to think about it like it's their own idea.
Luvie1980 it's a part of his character, but not by accident. He doesn't say it out of habit; he says it purposefully every single time for a specific reason. Psychology works wonders.
Probably because Masseria betrayed Charlie so he'd be more willing to take the insults. But Charlie was going behind Rothstein's back so insulting him is not getting even. It's a new offense.
That doesn't really explain him and Meyer since they never betrayed each other. And A.R. also is betraying Meyer here too. Doesn't really fit with what Joe said.
can anybody anwer for me?? why did arnold betray lucky like that?? it was luckys idea? why would he do that? with all do respect. if i was in a situation like that. i would of toll arnold. why would you do that to somebody.? arnold? is that how you do bussines? of course i would been upset. and meyer trying to calm me. but i would of ask him. but if anybody got an anwer to this scence please fill free to tell me. i want to know whaat happen.? why would arnold go to that length to betray lucky like that? it was hes idea...
He told them not to try the Heroin thing, but they thought if they borrowed money from his rival Masseria they could strike out on their own. Rothstein suspected this and had their heroin taken by corrupt cops under his control after they spent all the money and there was no way for them to get it back. He then used the captured heroin to force Masseria to end any potential hostility between them. So without costing him a penny he was now going to make a ton of cash in the drug business and he's nipped a potential gang war in the bud and reminded his two underlings that he is not someone to be trifled with.
"All this time I thought I had some Civilizing effect, but there is only so much you can teach a person, until you reach the limits of his capabilities" - Rothstein regarding Charlie You need a better scout team Mr. Rothstein.
