Explaining the mind altering ending of the new alien film ARRIVAL starring Amy Adams, Jeremy Renner and Forest Whitaker. Find out why the aliens are here!
@Sand Hanitizer Remind me which party promoted BLM to riot and destroy things, kill innocent people, has and continues to try and start a race/civil war and continually uses big tech and the MSM to lie and hide the truth from people while simultaneously reinforce the notion that only one side are the good guys? Haha silly democrats
@Sand Hanitizer People like me for what? Seeing the BS from where it comes from? Yeah people like me. Why should we talk to people on the left who have done terrible things in the name of "doing something good"? On top of stomping all over our constitution. I'd be willing to talk if there was still time for talk and there isnt.
For anyone who just doesn’t speak mandarin, the “final words” that the leader of the Chinese heard, translates to “there are no winners in war, only widows”
Silva Socling my statement was that her last words were “there are no winners in war, only widows”, banks did say General, I saw your wife in a dream, but that’s not what I said.
@@Villoawomi I had a whole debate with my friend whether or not the word dude assumed gender or could just be used as basically another word for "friend", similar to how bro lost its meaning from "brother" to "friend" or as just slang for "seriously?"
There are so many subtle aspects of this film, and her performance in this that I love. Like how, in the beginning she cuddles her pillow as if she is used to sleeping next to someone. And the muted tones throughout, and her subdued reactions, with her being happier, and the movie having a much brighter color palette only in the shots with her daughter. As if, throughout the film, she is mourning the loss of a daughter she hasn't had yet.
So many things in the movie make ZERO sense. * The colonel expects the linguist to decipher some alien language that sounds like gwowodkgjdkgrowlhwkas on the spot from a dicta phone. * Most important event in humankind and all decisions are taken by some random soldiers in the camp. President of the US or any politicians are never shown and take no role whatsoever in the story. * Some "rogue" soldier (god knows how) gets his hands on explosives, avoids all controls, and expects to destroy with a few C4 charges a huge spaceship which defies the laws of physics. * The way they "decipher" the alien random scrabbling are just completely arbitrary and laughable (aka there is no explanation on how anything is deciphered) but magically after a few months they have a full vocabulary with which they can have a conversation. In real history many real human languages based on actual letters (not random stains in the air) were a completely unintelligible until the Rosetta Stone was found with a key to understand them. *The alien presence on earth is just nonsensical. They arrive, say that they have bought some "gift" to humanity because in 3000 years they will need help in return (for what?) And then they disappear in thin air without having accomplished anything. * The attack by the Chinese general (again, no government exists, it seems that the soldier can just do what the heck the want) is stopped by some phone call whose contents nobody bothers to explain. * most of the movie is just going back and forth from the ship, ZZZZZZZZZZ * The physicist is practically useless. He just sits around without giving any scientific contribution. His only role is to represent the love interest of the linguist. He could have been a janitor for all I know. People saying that this is the best movie ever have probably never seen a movie in their life or have suffered a concussion. Proof of this is that, while we're still talking about 2001 a space odyssey after 40 years, in 3 months nobody will remember this onsensical, boring, badly written piece of garbage.
also how she pauses so thoughtfully when she has those 'flash fowards'. she is so open to them and understands the alien also communicates with her telepathically. she will have another memory of hannah as an answer to a question she asks, and calmly ask, 'who is this child?' i wish i understood more about their space craft. it was explained somewhere that gravity had to be changed sideways to accommodate humans, but when she goes back alone to talk to costello, i'm assuming the alien has to manipulate the atmosphere for her to survive. in that last scene there is no barrier separating them
@@lapacesiaconvoi the barrier is still there he just brought her up in the pod in order to 1. Get her behind it 2. Get her adjusted to the difference in atmosphere
@@jothishprabu8 This movie is pure genius. It intreperts aliens in a different way than just some green light-bulb looking shit, it's actually creative, and it just blows your mind. Just because you didn't enjoy it doesn't mean it's a bad movie. It's excellent IN MY OPINION.
you either misunderstood the part about time or just misspoke when explaining it. It is NOT time TRAVEL but time PERCEPTION. She and the aliens are able to perceive time in a non-linear way. You could remember a future event the way we may remember a past event.
Oni Raptor so they are essentially like Dr. Manhattan from "Watchmen". able to perceive the past, future and present at the same time. must be hell not knowing if today is Monday, or if it's Monday 2 years from now or in the past.
Are you not able to know the difference between "now" and a memory from 5 years ago? I understood it to be more of a memory of the future. You know it's your memory but also know it isn't taking place "now." If it did feel like "now" then I would say it would be actual movement to that moment, like in the "Time Travelers Wife."
lol indeed how can you call this movie complicated? or complex? I mean they drag it on for ages and you can already know everything from the start. There is no surprise or anything. Just a lame script that isn't even logical.
I saw it with friends and one of our home schooled buddies was like "does everyone know what's going on? is anyone confused?" at the end. he was amazed! i'm like yeah we get it! she does mind travel and the flashbacks are future events, wow, amazing. if that's amazing, watch Pulp Fiction, that thing bounces around a lot!
Yeah indeed. It was just a mediocre sci-fi at best. Altought i don't see why you would bring up one of your friends who was home schooled. Has nothing to do with this movie in anyway.
She published the book so that when the aliens come again, it would be easier for the people around the world to cooperate with them so more number of people could get the ability to see time differently. Alien's first mission got succeeded in the first arraival, it was a step for their next arrival and their master plan. Hope it make sense.
Not really... She wrote the book of the alien language so humans changed their brain synapsis and learn to see Time in a Non-Linear manner. Exactly the gift the Heptapods intended to give humans, so 3000 years in the future we could help them.
It’s 2:37 am and I just figured out how they perceive time and how their language works. I’ll try to put it as simple as possible. Think of a sentence. We perceive time the same way we perceive a sentence. We read from left to right. We also perceive time in a linear fashion: past, present, future. The concept in this movie is that our language directly influences how we perceive time, which is true. For example, let’s focus on the following sentence. The brown dog ran. Since we read from left to right the first words you read is “The brown” so you immediately think of the color brown. Since you haven’t read “dog ran” yet, the only image you have in your head is the color brown. Next you read the word “dog.” Since we read language in a linear fashion and you have already read “the brown,” you basically just add them up and now you have an image in your head of a “brown dog” the same way we add 2+2 and come up with an answer of 4. Now, since we haven’t read the next word yet we don’t know what is happening with the brown dog. Because we haven’t read the last word we can’t determine if the dog is either walking, standing, puking, barking, etc. We don’t know what the dog is really doing until we ACTUALLY READ it. That is the EXACT same way time works for us. We don’t know the future until we ACTUALLY go through it. But we do know the past because we already HAVE gone through it the same way we already read the word “brown” before the “dog” and instantly picture a brown dog. And that’s why we can’t predict the future because we haven’t “read” it yet because of the way our languages works and the way it influence our concept of time. Now, what would happen if we were to completely change the way our concept of language works and be able to tap into the future?? Impossible right? How can we see into the past, present, and future ALL at the same time? Well, if you think about it, we’re already 2/3 there. Us humans can see into the past AND present. Again, this is because of the same way we visualize a sentence. These aliens on the other hand, can see into the future because of the way their language works: which is circular. If they were to read “The brown dog ran” in their language they would just immediately have an image of a brown dog running pop into their heads. They wouldn’t read from left to right, nor right to left. It’s as if they’re able to read everything all at the same time. This is also how their concept of time works: they’re able to see all of it at the same time. Now some might ask, how would this work? At first I thought it was like a loop, and in a way it is. The way we see the past is the same way they see the future. It feels exactly like a memory except that they’re able to distinguish it from the past and be able to tell that it’s from the future. It’s a hard concept to grasp, but that’s why in the beginning of the movie they show the main actor with her daughter and at first glance we think it’s a flashback but it’s actually her future. The only problem is that the actor isn’t able to distinguish the future from the past so it just feels like a memory to her. The only thing I haven’t figured out yet is HOW to tap into this way of thinking. Maybe this can explain why people think God is omniscient and knows the future.
I saw this one on the big screen and the reveal at the end really got me. Especially when you take into account the kid's drawings that you see at the 'beginning' of the movie. All the signs and information were already there, but you don't think about it being a flash forward because that's not how our brains are programmed to work.
@@memecritic5539 maybe, but I think that's the least likely to be true. I 100% believe that aliens would think, talk, and communicate differently based on their biology and minds. But it's pretty unlikely that any species would NOT experience time as we do unless we're talking about gods or angels. Anything bound to this universe is likely bound to time as we are. That may, in fact, be one of the few certain constants between us.
@@SubduedRadical Yea true. But i guess anything really is possible. We humans only know so little about the entirety of our universe. Maybe someday we'll figure something out that's about to change the way we understand everything. Which is why i really love the concept of extra terrestrial life forms in this movie.
@@memecritic5539 Oh yeah, I always do like it when there are different ways of thinking presented. I've wondered before how I would try to communicate with aliens should I make first contact with them (I'd start with math - my base assumption being any species that has mastered space travel PROBABLY understands basic mathematics) I think we'd all experience time linearly (even if we might not THINK about time quite the same), but I do like considering what things we might see or think about differently.
One of the things that struck me about this movie is that whilst the focus is on learning to communicate with the aliens, that's not all that's going on. Look at the scenes where Louise talks to Colonel Weber about what she's doing. She and he look at the world in different ways - they are also alien to one another, and she is using examples and stories - even made up ones like the "Kangaroo" story - to bridge a gap in understanding with him and his superiors, exactly like she's having to do with Humans and the Heptapods. And on a larger scale, the different nations with Heptapod ships in them all have different philosophies and ways of doing things, different ways of understanding the situation. And they also have to overcome those gulfs and communicate with one another to arrive at the solution. So the movie is about communication not just with the heptapods, but on at least three different levels. The message seems to be that we are ALL aliens to one another, and the key to overcoming those divides is learning to communicate so that we can bridge the gaps in understanding between us. I love this movie. :-)
Graham Kennedy well said. can't wait to see it again. as much as I enjoy the action space operas, stuff like this, "Contact" and "Interstellar" is what I always come back to. just a preference I guess
I wouldn’t call it time travel. The language “reprogrammed” her brain (like Ritter said earlier in the movie) Her brain now sees time the way the heptapods do, which is why she can see her daughter in the future. She hadn’t come to the realization that she was seeing the future yet so she was processing what she was seeing the only way she knew how, as memories. Another big clue here is that the heptapod language doesn’t have any tense. No forward or backward indication. With no beginning or ending, it’s almost as if she doesn’t see “time” anymore. She sees it all at once. This would also explain how she “remembered” the phrase to tell the Chinese commander. She hadn’t experienced it yet, but to her newly reprogrammed brain there is no more “yet.”
@@jansenschrest2561 thank you for this explanation. I have just finished the movie, 5min ago. Now my question is what brought you to this section of the comments?
In the short story, there is an analogy for this. Basically, it's like performing a play. You know what's gonna happen because u already read the play. But you act out the scenes anyway because that's how you get to that ending. The alien's language is not about communication with each other, it's performative. Just so that time would go the way it is.
This movie always destroys me and leaves me in a puddle of my own tears at the end. Honestly one of the most beautiful movies concerning mortality and hope. The ending thought of “if you could see your whole life from start to finish, would you change things?” Is so devastating yet so hopeful and beautiful. It shows that life is not meant to be a happy ending. The joy comes from the journey. That experience is greater and more fulfilling then the outcome. This is the one movie I recommend to anyone that asks. It’s so worth the full watch.
all the scenes at the last few minutes of the movie felt so heavy, it was all coming so hard, it was so heavy that it left me in tears, idk what story in it is heartbreaking but it was really heavy, then i cried
She was translated into a 4-dimensional being while others remained the same. She could see and move through time in all directions, because it's become circular instead of linear. So her memories became 4th dimensional too: she remembers the future as well as the past. Everything has already happened, in a way. But what she's seeing is the most probable outcome. Because she's made the decision to have her daughter, then she would always have made that decision. She could have made a different choice but didn't. She saw her daughter and experienced motherhood in a way her 3-dimensional future husband couldn't. She made a rational choice from a 4-dimensional perspective, but not from a 3-dimensional one: Her daughter would always be with her, she could experience time with her over and over, because there's no past. But that doesn't work for the man who will only have a linear memory/experience of a daughter gained and lost. So it really was a selfish decision on her part. They're literally two different beings. But she's fallen in love with the child, having met her in the future that's also the present. And so she chose her child, out of love. I think it speaks to the choices we make and the perspective that leads to those choices. If the future couldn't be changed the aliens wouldn't have bothered with humans. They arrived to make a particular outcome possible. They took action to ensure a future outcome: saving their species.
Just rewatched this movie and took a particular interest in the Sapir Whorf theory mentioned and how language can change or rewire one’s perception of reality. Powerful theory and representation of that in this movie. I like how you stated her transformation to a 4th dimensional being and how that affects our choices and thought patterns. Unfortunately as in this movie some people will remain at a certain level of consciousness and vibration and will not come to a higher level of understanding. Life is a journey and the purpose of it is to just live it to the fullest. Loved reading and interacting with your comment.
Well, I'd be confused af if I were you, so I'd recommend watching the movie, and then come back to watch the video. In fact you wouldn't even need to come back to the video, since he got a few things wrong.
I don't have time to read over 3000 comments to see if anyone else realized this... but the movie is NOT ABOUT TIME TRAVEL. It is about MEMORIES. The aliens have memories in the past and future. They knew we would help them in 3000 years because they remember it that way. As the movie progresses Dr Banks is experiencing more and more MEMORIES of the future. She is NOT time travelling. Add to this that she is special because she is able to do this. She makes a conscious effort to remember the future when she remembers what the Chinese leader told her she said. This was a leap for her. To deliberately access those memories and use them, instead of just experiencing them. Knowing this... she can remember her daughter, but can she do something about it? I believe she can, but chooses to still have the child because it is better to have the child and make the most of it. It is said to us that her husband left because of what she told him. As explained in the video he blamed her for not telling him about their daughter's fate sooner... as in before they conceived. Because had she told her husband about the fate of their daughter he would have chosen not to have it. Then giving new memories for the future.
Very good question I would say, and I assume you started off with the assumption that we indeed have free will. My understanding is that after she learned the alien language, she realized her life just turned into a youtube video per se, everything she say or does happen EXACTLY in the pre-defined order, doesn't matter which part of the video she starts to watch, thus taking the whole "free will" out of question. Long story short, there is no free will, and not telling her husband about her daughter's fate is destined to happen, whether she wants it or not.
Very nice response... but I DO believe we have free will. So unlike the crazy question people normally pose... if you could time travel would you go back and kill Hitler before he came to power... I looked at this as... if you knew about the outcome of a decision before it happened, would you still do it? It is kind of like asking someone if they have any regrets... but doing it in advanced. Lot's of people say they do not, because those bad experiences helped shape them. Wow, as I type this I wonder if we do have free will. Would we still make decisions that had bad consequences if we knew about it before? You would have to answer yes, if you believe that those decision shape your life. Argh!!! But no... I still believe we have free will. I have made some mistakes in my life and would surely stop myself before making them. Not necessarily life changing events, but there were some times when I made outright wrong decisions that I could not foresee. Ah-ha... so I would do it differently if I could have memories of my future. Yep... there you go. We do have free will, and we would change a few things.
"if you knew about the outcome of a decision before it happened, would you still do it?" I get your point, it would be completely logical to try to change the outcome, but if that happens, all the memories from the future have to change accordingly, that's assuming it can be changed. But on the flip side, the alternative outcome might not be better, i.e. butterfly effect. In the movie's case, what if her memories cannot be changed? I don't know, that part is not explained in the movie. She might be just living through a script. In the end this is just a movie, lol, don't beat yourself up for the things you can't control in life. Free will or not, doesn't really bother me, since we can neither prove nor disprove it.
More good points... and I was thinking about this when I re-watched it with my son a couple of nights ago (after we started this discussion). 1) He agrees... this has NOTHING to do with time travel. It has everything to do with a race of beings that can SEE their future. 2) This is proven when Louise goes into the ship (in the pod by herself) and uses her hands to manipulate "the mist" to talk to the aliens in their own language. We get sub-titles here (yay!). And one of those sub-titles from Abbott (since Costello is "in dying process") is, "Louise sees future." So.. it is definitely NOT about time travel, but about seeing the future. 3) Can we change it? We will get to that, but you are right, they don't tell you if you can. But first... this could be what 4 dimensional beings do. Period! We are three dimension people in that we can move in only three dimensions. We cannot move in time (the 4th dimension). A bug that can crawl is more like a 2 dimensional being. It crawls up walls and onto ceilings, but does fall, so does not experience gravity. So no matter how smart that crawling bug on your ceiling is.. it will never learn to move in 3 dimensional space, because it will never discover and understand gravity. And it would look at us like we were aliens with strange powers for being able to do so. What IF... WHAT IF, you were a 4 dimensional being? Does that mean you can move through time at will... or does it just mean... like in this movie.... you can see all your time experiences from birth to death. I believe that to be true of this movie. Also... that being the case (regardless if you can change it) then these beings must have a life expectancy of over 3000 years because they saw the future in 3000 years when humanity helped them. SO they have to live until then. Cool, Huh? 4) Can you change it? Hard to say, but there are a few clues. She asks Ian near the end, "what if you could see your entire life in front of you, would you change anything?" He responds that he would be more open with people. This implies (yea, fiction, not real, I get it) that she thinks she can make a choice that is against what she has seen. Also, she tells her daughter that her husband thought she made a wrong choice!!!! So... kinda think that says she had a choice. Maybe, that choice was to tell him before they had a baby. But if he can't see the future... and he chooses not to have a baby... ???? Now, If you can make a different choice... no butterfly effect, only HER memory would change for the future. Next clue... Ian ASKS HER if she wants to make a baby!!!! So she is still thinking about it. Like she has a choice. Oh, and my son says this reminds him of Slaughterhouse-Five. I will have to look that up. So glad to have this conversation. I look forward to any more counterpoints.
A very interesting perspective, but it fails to explain how Louise could have known General Chang's dying wife's words to him. Also, the futuristic visions of her yet-to-be-born daughter even before the arrival of the aliens. How could she be so dead right if she couldn't bend time to her purpose?
Akinlabi Omo-Oso Akinlabi Omo-Oso everything is explained by the circular conception of time. Her brain no longer perceived time as linear, but circular, no start or end, and therefore no “travel.” Memories exist on different points of this circle of time, but they don’t imply forward or backward, past and future. Her brain is reprogrammed to conceive of time in this way, ours isn’t. Therefore, the “memories” of her daughter occur to her in the same way the last words of the generals wife do, as points on this circle.
I wouldnt say that definitively, but rather say the “message” is subjective. So ur neither wrong or right, and neither is anyone else. on the flip side there are some major themes in this movie.
@@PattyCali nah you're wrong. doug is definitely right on the money. it's about language and it's most important property; nuance something you and the blackwater don't get.
I can see the future Alien : Save us all Human :screw it! Human : I'm going to use that power to predict the next lottery numbers . Alien: See ...i told ya humans weren't ready... I'm leaving...
@@SaltieiestHuntress yeeah this applies to real life and is a deterministic outlook I share, it does not apply to a scenario where I know about my future and still choose to act exactly as predicted for the lolz of my girl dying.
They needed humanity to come together, as one, in order for them to get the help they would need in the far future. That's why there were 12 different shells all across the globe. That's why Abott gave them the 1/12 fraction in one of their last sessions. It meant that one of the sites finally understood (Louise's site), and that they would need all the others to join in, so they could work together, and unite. These creatures came to us from the void of the unknown knowing a threat, whatever it may be, wouldn't allow their existence to persist once it arrived. Thus, they seeked our help; taught us all they could, gave us their most powerful weapon as a means of preparation- That once we were all ready to join them as a "whole" race, we would do so and save them all from an eerie and unidentifiable threat. A clear trade, where both sides benefit despite the competition for each one's survival and clear differences. A non-zero-sum game.
It's a philosophical movie with the shell of sci-fi. Major messages: 1) Language is a way of thinking. 2) Time can be non-linear. 3)The philosophical question: If you know the future, how will u live ur life in present? Is it because what u do at present that leads to the future, or it is the future leads to what u do at present. 4) It's something about Karma, Cycle of Birth & Rebirth. Seeds become fruits, fruits become seeds, birth and death, life is a circle, everything is a balance.
Sigh. This movie left me so depressed. Much more than usual. My 6 year old daughter passed away in 2018 but I only saw it a few days ago. The message is incredibly powerful and I do love that she doesn't dwell on what will happen.
She doesn't have a daught in the present (when the aliens arrive). But she the "remember" the future, due to learning the alien language, that she will have a daughter in the future.
I dreamed I was playing stickball and sometime later I did play stickball but then it hit me I already played this exact game. I started to run just before Wayne hit a line drive directly at the neighbors window.
The ending is incredibly well thought out. She is given the power to stop the world from going to war with the aliens by seeing the future. Convincing the Chinese general by saying his wife’s last words to him, in turn stopping them from attacking the aliens. Such a well thought out movie, 10/10👍🏼
For some reason I can't get the part from the general talking to him at the gala up to the point she calls him... like why and how would the general believes what she say.. his wife hasn't died yet... im confused
The general prepared his words before making the decision. I don’t think you understand what the end of the world means for him. It means his last words will only be heard by his wife and kids. Therefore he values it most in the world and the only thing that would have ever mattered anyway.
@@YES-IM-TROLLING bc she could essentially see all time at once, she knew his wive's dying words because he told them to her at the gala in the future(so she essentially used that knowledge to "go back to the present" and call him to change his mind). The part of that that confuses me still, though, is how was she not aware, at the gala, that she called him and changed his mind, if she was at the gala after it happened? Like, did she just forget???
My take from the movie was that the Heptapods don't actually travel through time cause that would be a linear understanding of time. Effectively they're 5th-dimensional beings and to them time is a place rather than a moment. They don't travel through time but rather have access to all time.
miles dwyer Wouldn't 4th dimensional beings only perceive the world in 3 dimensions effectively not being able to perceive time in a non linear fashion. Similar to how we can only perceive the world in 2 dimensions even though we reside in 3 dimensions. Theoretically of course lol :P.
Actually, that answers the only question I felt was left unanswered. What was the deal with the shells propulsion. They didn't warp in the star trek sense of warping, or do the battle star FTL jump. But if they moved in time the way we move in space, they could just be where they needed to be by arriving when they needed to be there as it were.
Batman Laughed That's an interesting point, could be the case. 5th Dimensional travel is a bit beyond me (:P) but that could be a way they travel. If I'm not mistaken space and time are somewhat different although space-time could be warped somehow to allow them to travel the way they did, possibly, maybe.
its not time travel or mind time travel, once you understand their lenguage you pass from a "linear form of life" to a "unlinear form of life", you instantly knows your past, present and future and your life turns into a book. You can read any part of the book in anytime, but the book its already printed so you cant change anything, and thats why she give birth to his daughter even if she knew its gonna die in the future. At the begging of the movie she is the only one that can understand their lenguage because she is already an unlinear being because she write the book in the future. To understand the movie you must ignore the concepts of "past", "present" and "future" and "free will". All is writed in stone so you cant change anything, but you can see any part of it if you want.
I wasn't convinced by the "you can't change anything". Louise tried very hard to call that chinese dictator after she had her vision from the future...but what if she failed to contact him or just decided not to? The future would be different. If reality is really as the B-series of time indictates, that the universe is a 4D dimensional static structure (like a dvd), then a paradox results with my example above...or does the dvd get overwritten?
Emil Tchernev you say "she had a vision", but that statement its wrong. Its not a vision, shes unlinear so her concious exist as a whole in the entire line. From her point of view its like the chinese president was whisppering the words in her hear while she was talking with the other chinese president, its like if you ask a question and you answer it to yourself at the same time. Thats something really hard to be represented in a movie.
Emil Tchernev ok im sorry its truth i didnt answer your question. There cant be a paradox because its was already decided that she was gonna do that call, in fact the whole "call" matter its ridiculous. That only worked because the chinese presidente himself tells her to do the phone call and tells her exactly what to say, really there was no hurry but the audience in the movie theater could not understand the importance of the situation if the scene wasnt in a "hurry state", ppl wouldnt understand a thing of what was going on. Its the same with the aliens, they were in their world dealing with "the problem" and then the humans appear and help them and tell them "you must contact us 3000 years in the past in order for us to help you", and at the same time they were 3000 years in the past telling the humans "in 3000 years from now we will need your help". Its very confusing but its just required to forgot about the "time issue" to undestand it, for unlinear beigns theres not time or dead.
I love the idea that the language we learn is what shapes us, the language we learn predicts how we think. Math is a language, learning that language opens your mind to many possibilities to even understanding our universe. Very beautiful !
I really liked Arrival and although i had to watch it twice to fully understand it, it's very different to all other sci-fi/alien-type films and it really shows us that the first sign of life outside of earth doesn't have to be a mindless killing monster, but it could be a helpful creature.
We don't know because we don't know what will happen when they will need our help , could be for a selfish reason... we don,t know,, too many unanswered questions
Hugh Mongoose I especially liked the fact that it was still dramatic without the need for mass extinction of the human race. It didn’t need to have a “weapon” in the way humans are used to them; all destructive. It simply took the term weapon and assigned a different meaning to it, which is so fitting to the film.
I think that Louise was able to stop Hannah from existing but chose to have her anyway even after knowing the outcome, because seeing the visions showed her how much joy Hannah would bring her
@@ertsekpal7579 like she coulda idk figured out what the hell her daughter have 🤷♀️ Or like waited a month and have an entirely different baby with no issues.. I don’t get it
When he said "appreciating the time she has without dwelling on the depressive outcomes" it made me think that this is not just about "appreciating the time you have because it won't last forever". It really reminds me of ancient Greeks' vision of destiny and human life, which is something supposed to go in a certain way cause "the Fate" decided it, and there's nothing anyone can do about it, nor humans, nor gods, because they are too subjected to their destiny. This can be seen mostly in Greek tragedies, where characters very often find themselves guilty or victims of something without actually having had any other chance or choice over what they did or received (Just think about Oedypus, he was told by an oracle that he was gonna lie down with his mother and kill his father, and all the things he did then in order to escape these events lead him to actually make them happen). For this reason, the only 'choice' left to humans is whether to accept or to not accept their destiny; a human can accept with dignity a painful destiny, and this makes him a hero, a tragic hero. Only a human that embraces his destiny has the possibility to find happiness. That's what the main character of this movie does: accepting her destiny instead of struggling with the fact she never got the chance to "create" her destiny. In some way, she's a tragic greek heroine.
Well, SHE found happiness. The people she dragged into 'accepting her destiny' did not. Her husband was angry at her selfishness and left her, her daughter suffered and died. If she didn't make the choice she did, she could have spared both of them. Guess she was only thinking of herself.
@@druidriley3163 I think you haven't understood that none of this is about making a decision that's gonna built up her future. What I mean is that in this movie there's a destiny, and the only thing this woman can do about it is wether embracing it or not. In the second case, she wouldnt be the master of her destiny, but she would probably face terrible consequences, since again, in a tragic view of life, no one is able to escape his own destiny. Accepting it or not, is not gonna change the fact that that destiny is gonna be her destiny. Accepting it or not is rather the degree of freedom she's got left. And it's also the only way out of selfdestruction. I know that this is a very complex topic, and I may be wrong about some things, as well as there are still things I have to understand. So I'm gonna argue with what you said also bringing up another point. You said her choice was selfish, because it brought to life a kid that was meant to die, causing a huge amount of pain to the kid herself, that woman and her husband. But if you think her choice was selfish it means you believe that she shouldn't have got with that man and had that baby. And if you truly believe that, you also believe that her brief baby's life wasn't worth being lived. So if she ever had the power to change her destiny (which is not the case, in my opinion), and if she thought- like you- that such a choice was selfish, she would've arbitrarily chosen to not let that child into exhistance, and into everything exhistance means, which is not just pain. Wouldn't that be selfish as well?
.. but failed to seek litigation and impose child support on the baby's daddy for neglect and abandonment. Nevertheless, he "kinda" did save humanity from a severe threat as a member of the Avengers ..
The only other ending that really made me cry a lot was Schindler's List, that ending always gets me. This one, I tell you, fucked me up man. I cried soo much.
I absolutely loved this film and I'm not going to try and say that people who don't like it are dumb. But my biggest problem is people saying it's boring. Have we as a movie going audience really gotten to the point where if we see a movie has aliens in it we expect loud explosions and a huge invasion? What if ET came out nowadays? Would people dislike it because ET doesn't try to destroy humanity? This is a really complex film and I can understand if someone doesn't like it but I don't see how someone sees this movie as boring. I think it really is a matter of expectations. Don't go in expecting an alien invasion movie and you might find yourself enjoying the film.
I knew from the trailer what kind of movie this would be and I'd be hoping for. A total psychological Thriller!! Man I loved EVERY Second!! I mean the way my mind was trying to conceive this movie and pay attention to every detail and nuance was Amazing. I'd probably smack you if you interrupted me during this film. I swear I never turned my head. The thought process behind this prodigious film was amazing. But perhaps the most striking aspect of this movie is its shocking and autochthonous twist, which even Louise herself couldn't predict. There's another interesting little tidbit about this movie, though it might've just been me. But that beautiful instrumental called "On the Nature of Daylight," written by Max Richter. I love how this gorgeous piece bookends the film. It flourishes during the opening sequence, and the "somber strings", can be heard as well in the exquisite ending scene. Didn't mean to write a essay but man, I feel like I got the "gift" now lol After this film was over I was so shocked I forgot to clap, I just sat their with "On the Nature of Daylight" still playing vividly in my head. I just wanna give the director, writer and makers of this film. Amy, Jeremy and my boy Forrest!!! ALL did a fantastic job!! Ima big movie guy and this ones up their on my list. And to all those who read this I pass the "gift" to you my friends.
Superoxide Dismutase How did you not learn something from this? I mean it had a great overall message in the film and posed a great question about if you could see your whole life ahead of you, would you change anything.
+Jake Boos He must be one of those, "anything that is made too difficult for me to understand is stupid" kinda guy. It was really easy for me to follow once I picked on the signs subtle hints the movie was giving. If you go to movies trying to "learn" something new then your in the wrong place. There are pretty more credible things to enlightened your mental awareness then a movie. But I guess thats your thing. Look up the repeating theme and phrases in the movie and do your own research and discovering if the film made it too difficult for you too comprehend.
Stay Me7o I mean I don't think anyone who doesn't like the film is stupid because it's a more complex film than most blockbusters we get nowadays. However the film does have a deep meaning and poses good questions while also being entertaining. Guess it's just not for everyone...
Rootobro: you're certainly entitled to your view. But if you think every "good" sci fic movies are the ones that spell out every interaction between characters I'd have to guess you don't watch a lot of sci Fic. It's only crappy prequels, and 20 years after the fact garbage sequels that concentrate on dotting I's and crossing T's. Good sci fic makes you think. Why is that so offensive? Did you complain about the ending to Intersteller, Gravity, the good Total Recall, 2001? Whole slew of classic movies that leave open ended questions. The thing they needed from humanity in 3k years wasn't even remotely the point of the movie.
I personally love sci fi that blends ideas of language and consciousness. Like the novels Blindsight and Snow Crash. And sci fi that plays with time and dimensions like the film Interstellar and the novel Anathem. Arrival blends all these interesting ideas into a thought provoking film about first contact and communication. Blending science with the arts. Seriously, I reckon language, and not science, is the foundation of the human race. Anyway, I highly recommend Blindsight by Peter Watts. It's a brilliant existentialist sci fi that also explores consciousness, communication and first contact.
I'm sorry but you've comprehensively misunderstood the final message of the movie- she CAN choose, she could choose either to live with all the sadness and pain she knows will come for the sake of the happy moments she'll have with her daughter Hannah and Ian, or change the future and walk a different path. This is why she asks Ian whether or not he would change the future if he could, and why she makes the CHOICE to have a baby when Ian asks her.
Actually, I think it's both. I think because of her perception of time, she is both destined to experience her future, yet has the choice to take the path to that future.
Wrong. Nothing regarding choice. The alien language allows her to see time. Heck, the only reason the aliens came is because they see that humans will help them. Why would the language show you possible futures? The language would be flawed if two different people had an understanding of the language, they would speak different futures?
Towards the end, she says something like, "If you could see your whole future before you would you still choose to live it?" She has complete freedom to decide to kill herself and not experience the future she is destined for. It's an intentional paradox between free will and destiny. She can choose to not live that future, but ultimately she will choose it.
I think she does have a choice. When Dr. Banks was explaining to Hannah why her father "doesnt see her like he used to" she told Hannah that that was because she told her dad something that he was not ready to hear. Dr. Banks then mentioned that her father taught that Dr. Banks made "the wrong choice".
Louise tells Hannah her father left because she told him something... the something was (will be) that Hannah will die of cancer in her teens. It was quick and easily missed.
@@xszocc_9307 Because he doesn’t understand the language. Louise is the only one able to, so when she tells him that her daughter is going to die he freaked the fuck out and left I would pressume. But you also have to wonder, if she knew her daughter would die, wouldn’t she know that he would leave her as well??? Why would she tell him that their daughter would die if she already knew what would happen if she did?
@@sethmackenzie4419 that’s a complicated question I honestly have no clue but maybe it has to deal with the future, the present, and the past all happening at the same time? Like she can’t change the future because it already happened. Idk just my thoughts
@@xszocc_9307 maybe because he doesn’t want to get attached to her. remember hannah says “he doesn’t look at me the same way anymore” so he probably doesn’t reciprocate her affection anymore so it’s easier to say goodbye.
I honestly thought that the dad had something to do with the cancer too and it relates to the daughter as well so he left in remorse? But almost at the end I was like how is the film gonna retrieve this sort of storyline. TOTAL MINDFUCK
I just watched this movie and realized that it wasn't the actual movie watching that was the best part, it was after the movie ended and you start to contemplate the ending and putting together the pieces of this puzzle. *Some of the things you might have missed, (some of these might be obvious)* 1. The flashbacks in the beginning are flash*backs*, they're flash*forwards* 2. The movie leads us to believe that the 'flashback' events happened before the arrival. So Louise is a woman whose husband left her and her daughter died due to a rare disease. We are led to believe that that's why she's living alone and she tells Ian that she's single. 3. At one time in the movie, Louise says that she doesn't recognize the child in her dreams, even though it was her own daughter, who the viewers believe, died before the arrival. This is supposed to confuse the viewers, as Louise believes that what she's seeing in her dreams is what the aliens want her to see, and this is what the viewer is led to think. 4. At one point she exclaims that she realized why her husband left her, continuing to make the viewers believe that the flashbacks did indeed happen in the past. 5. The aliens push Louise and Ian away when the bomb is about to explode because they already know the bomb is going to explode at that moment. 6. Before finally completely understanding the aliens' vocabulary, you can see that Louise, in her dream, sees a book that has her name as the author, and that book's title being about understanding heptapod's language. She understands the alien language because she read the book in her dream and learnt the language from it. 7. The 12 shells communicated through time. They already know what they need to say and do, and they know when to do it. That is why the humans couldn't figure out how they communicate. 8. The last time Ian and Louise go together to meet the aliens, Abbot joins in late because he knows he's going to die, but still he has to do what's necessary. The movie is a masterpiece!
I kinda got the vibe that we were the threat 3,000 years in the future, like we’d have space travel capable of reaching them. And that the aliens preemptively came here and found the 1 linguist that would be able to translate their language, thus saving them down the road🤷🏾♀️
Yeah, but I got the vibe that time was set in stone, Louise knew that Hannah was going to die but didn't try to stop it because she knew it was inevitable, so they would know if we would go to their planet. If they 'preemptively came here' that would imply that they could change the future in which we went to them but that would be impossible because it would be set in time.
@@rontanamo_bae Louise chose to have Hannah despite knowing she would die, that’s why her husband leaves her in the future. She could’ve chosen not to. Anyways have a great day✌🏾
Pretty terrible explanation, to make this films explanation more simple: In our universe we perceive reality as 3D, 3rd Dimension. We are not bounded by direction, we can move up, down, left, and right so direction for us is unlimited. The one thing we are bounded by is time, for us time moves linear, a continuous straight arrow. However, for the Heptapods, they perceive time in the 4th dimension. To the Heptapods time is up, down, left and right and they can see into the future or sideways into time. As you see in the movie Dr. Louise is seeing time as the Heptapods would see time in the 4th dimension thus why she is having the flash forwards in time. There is no paradox, time in higher dimension is nothing more than a direction.
Suppose after Louise's vision with the chinese dictator, she decides that she won't call him. What happens then? Why does she have to do what the future says she has to do? I don't think they explored that aspect at all.
Emil Tchernev Because she lives on that plane of existence where she does call him, the future for us in the 3rd dimension is already set. You can only change reality in the 5th dimension where parallel universe's is a direction just like how time is a direction in the 4th dimension or how space has direction in the 3rd dimension.
guitardaddy6 Idiots who thought they were going to watch a mindless action movie, but instead got a slow, smart, mind-blowing masterpiece and now their brains hurt.
Nonya Busnezz Many great films leave unanswered questions. Do you actually need everything explained to you? Also, what do you mean by "quasi-intellectual concepts of time"? Our current understanding of time is limited at best. Thusly, any interpretation or idea is valid.
Depends on what you see around you Justin. I'd argue that a language using circles is actually an extremely valid form of communication and that time is, indeed, a circle. I mean, most mythologies seem to reflect this: the cycles of Brahma, the Cycle of Samsara, the Cycle of Involution and Evolution (Theosophers)... to name a few. Plus, it's not the first time a language was constructed using circles. Just look at Dr. Who, for example. Also, a lot of stories which are largely popular do this as well: The Cycle of Cycles, The Wheel of Time, and The Eternal Champion series, to name a few. Personally, I think there is some interplay between certain transcendental numbers and some which are not considered transcendental that may unlock this key. If anyone had an idea about this, it was Paul Laffoley.
Perhaps this gap of information is intentional? What if it was to draw attention away from the "why" of the movie and push the viewer to consider *what* was presented instead? As I said above, cyclical time is at the heart of some of the highest spiritual philosophies. Buddhism, hinduism, mystic judaism, hermeticism, taoism, and even mystic christianity, to name a few. "In a decaying society, art, if it is truthful, must also reflect decay. And unless it wants to break faith with its social function, art must show the world as changeable. And help to change it." Ernst Fischer Cause, obviously, society is going in a great direction, what with all the hooplah about building walls (like edo period in japan never happened) and making america great again. People are obviously less interested in 'why' right now. What holds their attention longer, even if it appears moronic. Perhaps the minds behind this realized this? Not trying to attack your opinion, just trying to illustrate the nonlinearity of art: the premise as assigned by structure may not be the premise as assigned by it's metaphor... And, in this case, the former may have been superseded by the latter.
Something humans aren't familiar with: Humans: *ThROw All OUr MiSSlEs At iT!* Edit: Wow, guys! I completely forgot about this comment! I got notified that someone had commented on this, and i came to take a look, I'm at 300 likes! Thanks!
and also you're wrong, it's so good. as you can see people who work in movie industry and movie critics love the movie, if you don't like it you don't get the movie, you probably want to watch independence day resurgence or after earth for your speed
lol Irun Mon you are funny. first off all the movie is to much copy and pasted that its not even orignal anymore so the movie was far from good. A good movie doesn't need alot of action like you implying thats what i want. Thats bullshit. But this film was far from good.
lordSeaworth nobody said this movie was original, I said this movie is good so do other million people including the oscar. Quentin Tarantino is the master of copy other people's work but he reworks them so it can be good, if you familiar with his films you know what I am talking about
Well here is the bloke. Who wrote the short story. Upon which Arrivsl was based. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Chiang Maybe you should offer your protection to him.
The chinese general is not s dictator. There is no time travel, they just remember the future. There is no paradox, no information is created from nothing: the general knew it from the beginning, he told her in the future and she used it on the past. No paradox here.
Just wanted to point out that this comment section reminds me a lot of when China, Russian Pakistan, the US, etc could not agree on their approach with the aliens. If you watched this movie and got that feeling of disgust with man kind not being able to agree on anything, and then proceeded to this explanation of the movie just to disagree, please set aside time for self reflection. Thanks in advance
But what if coming to this comment section to disagree wasn't their intention but genuinely what has naturally occurred? Did they choose to disagree or was it fate?
At first I was like "why would the Chinese guy say all that exposition to her?" And then after watching this video, I realize that if he was to learn the aliens language (which he would probably do considering he was working on understanding it with his Chinese team) then he would, like Louise, see time in a non linear way. He would see that she was the one to end the conflicts between the nations, and that calling off the attack was due to her phone call. Obviously, it would make no sense that she would randomly know his private phone number. So when she meets him at the gala, he says what he says because it will affect them in the "past". I use quotations because in the universe of this film, there is truly no past or future, it is all relevant and circular. Ahhh loved this film!
Another message I got from the film that I dont see a lot of people mentioning is the power of communication. Communication is life or death. Notice how in the movie, Louise was having a hard time understanding what they meant by "Weapon", just like everyone else. It was only later that she realized Weapon could also be Gift or Tool. Because that's what language is. It can either be a gift or tool to build people up or a weapon to break them down. And when all the other countries went off air, Louise wanted to remain online to COMMUNICATE. Without proper communication, there is no understanding. Without understanding, there is no peace. Gift becomes Weapon. The pen, however, is mightier than the sword.
Wrong. The movie maintains continuity. You are assuming she is seeing all of the flashbacks that you are seeing but she is not. We are simply jumping between timelines as the narrator [future her] is revealing it. The present day version of her makes no acknowledgement of the visions. She has a dream where she is asked by Jeremy Rener's character if she dreams in their language. We know this is a dream as the heptapod is also in the room. Her ability to access future memories is not unlocked until she enters the ship at the end. The entire movie maintains continuity very well. There are so many examples I could go on forever, every part played its role. I was very impressed.
The narrator version does [future her] while you are watching a flash forward to future her. This in no way indicates that current her is seeing the flash forward you are seeing as the viewer. He got mad and left her when she told him the truth after the kid was born [again future her]. You see this revealed in a flash forward as a viewer. The current her makes no acknowledgement of this in any way prior to her entering the ship. Continuity maintains, please rewatch the movie.
But when she enters the ship and talks to the heptapods, she asks about the girl who she didn't know. She couldn't access her future memories in the ship, otherwise the question would be meaningless. She had the visions. Every vision played it's parts as tips to her to help solve language problems she already solved in the future. Otherwise, why should we see her heaving a tip instead of see her solving the problem ? The visions was about the heptapods teaching her. The entire movie we think that the heptapods didn't know how to comunicate with us, but in the end, she talks with them and they fully understand her, but they write to her, because time for them is a place, they already knew, but time for herwasn't a place, so she needed to learn. I guess the only visions that aren't flash forwards are the first and the last one, that is the narrator introducing and finishing the argument.
Joe N Hahaha hahaha Right??! That's where I went too! Whew! So, we're still gonna be here and be able to help aliens! Very proud of you human species! Hahaha
Joe N scientifically speaking we actually do have more of a chance of alien species invading earth than humans as we know of the species living 3000 more years.
It isn't often that you get a "strange aliens come to earth" movie that ends with good intentions. Warms the heart to think not everything out there wants to kill us.
So the way it made sense to me was that they did not see her life as a series of flowing events, but through that ability, could see all of the events occurring at the same time, unbound by the flow of time. instead of seeing a string in which her life would move, they could see a knot, allowing her to touch each moment at once.
I don’t know that I would have called it time travel. And Hannah isn’t inevitable. There’s a line towards the end that indicates she has a choice but decides to have her anyway and that’s why her eventual husband leaves and is angry. Because she knew ahead of time and could have stopped their heartbreak from happening.
Yes, i think because as the movie shows the future is not certain because otherwise they would not have come to earth because she was going to do that anyway, at the moments she accepts it them the ships vanishes because it already happen
Maybe, but if she saw the future, then she could had change it, but she choosed to accept this future, think as we now, every step we take now could change us forever..
Dhruvi K, I think that's exactly the kind of linear way of thinking about time that this movie was trying to push us away from. This idea that changing an event in the present will cause ripple effects _down the timeline_ assumes that time is a line. But this movie is suggesting that time is cyclical. The future leads to the present just as much as the past does. And just like we can use our knowledge of the past to make different decisions, Louise can use her knowledge of the future to make different decisions.
My biggest take away from this movie was "If you know the outcome of an event, would you change it?" and more to that idea "If you knew your child would die of cancer would you choose to never have them". I lost my dad to cancer and I think about this sometimes and the anguish parents must face when their young child passes away and if given the choice and knowing the outcome how many would still choose to have a child.
this movie is incredible, but I would argue that the short story it comes from is even better. Reading that short story, it feels like your mind and memories are bending at the same time as the main character. Literally my favourite story of all time
i don't know if you understood the movie. its extremely hard to grasp. she can't see visions from the future and past. the best way to explain is that she is living her entire life all at once. There is no such thing as future past and present to her.
No, i think at the moment the ship leaves because they needed her help, is because she accepts the future and then it already happen at the same time. because if she can see it then it already happen.
M G, I disagree. It sounds you like you are saying what I am saying except that she has free will. I don't think she really has free will as we see it. I don't think she just accepts the future because that would imply that she could change the future. she cannot change the future because the future has already happened.
Jason Basa it might be but I want to remain hopeful. Because it’s the only story I know that even remotely touches not the time travel but existence in upper dimensions where time travel is as uneventful as going for the groceries. Fuck butterfly effect(movie)
Somehow I missed this sci-fi movie and saw it today, just wanted to rave about how good I thought it was. Makes a change to not be invaded, concept of time was fantastic, such a Hippy I know but making the whole world work together was brilliant. Those who said the Chinese will never share - too soon for a COVID-19 joke? Their sounds were very Whale like, very old Star Trek movie rip off I thought but no was pictograms and meaning of life, the universe and everything = 42 as we all know. Totally enjoyed the film but half way through had a craving for deep fried squid, lol.
Fact is Covid 19 info was shared and the genetic sequencing was shared too way back in Jan 2020, and to the WHO in December 2019. The US and the rest of the world laughed and shurgged it off, saying things like dont wear masks and its just a flu, even after witnessing China's drastic lockdowns. Its not until they themselves were hard hit due to denial and lack of care that they try to blame their failings onto China and scapegoat. Saying China never share is a little carried away. A few countries, like South Korea, took the genetic sequencing info China shared and created lots of test kits early, stopping the virus from ever wide spreading hard in their country, and some used the early genetic sequence info released by China to start making vaccine.
People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect but actually from a nonlinear non subjective view point its more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... timey wimey... stuff.
I'm always amazed that whenever aliens are depicted in movies, they typically have blunt awkward tentacles, yet somehow manage to create ultra sophisticated space craft. It's like a manatee building a corvette.
Fun fact: the movie has an alternate ending, both were she's asked by Renner if she wants to have a baby, 1: she said yes 2: she said no, and runs away while crying.
The whole point of the movie is the aliens coming to teach us how to unite together and understand time like the do, non-linearly (knowing what is going to happen as if it has already happened and we "remember" the future). This is what happens when she "remembers" the chinese general's wife's last words from the meeting they will have or her future kid's life and death. We're not talking about time travelling or foreshadowing: it's literally knowing what's exactly going to happen as if it already did. This (and uniting as a species) is needed for us to develop the necessary technologies and social structures that will allow us to help the aliens in the movie's future. She deciding not to have a kid would mean A) she didn't understand anything about what the aliens taught us, and B) the whole idea of the future being "remembered" because it "already happened" is not possible. So the whole movie would not make any sense if, in the end, she "erases" the future she has "remembered" and completely misses the point the aliens so carefully plotted for (specifically) her to understand and explain to the rest of the human race in order for everything to work out for us and them as intended.
@@foggy1646 there could be lots of different endings to this movie, but any of them that doesn't take into account the rest of the movie is a bad ending (as lots of movies have, actually).
not really interested though, just another alien movie trying to prove God not exist, cause science failed, they keep making movie like this to influence lazy people, cause they think God existence inhibit their profit
Tweaty Bea sure, we can still enjoy the movie. but ever heard subconscious? in strong condition our faith may stand, but in bad condition sometimes we reconsidered our faith, there when this kind of movie / stuff make an effect, just like telling our child, at first they may not listen, but after we repeat the lesson again and again, they will believe anything we said, thats how propaganda works, so, keep enjoy movies, but be wary
5:16 that is not a time travel paradox. It is called a temporal causality loop. One example is if you go back in time to give yourself the blueprints of a time machine so you can go back in time to give yourself the blueprints of a time machine so you can go back in time to give yourself the blueprints of a time machine; and so on.
@@MEMESBYTHEPEOPLE you don’t. That’s the entire concept of a temporal causality loop. Its an error in reality. The greatest example I can give to make it clear is Stewie griffin getting blasted outside of the universe then overloading his return pad thus causing the Big Bang. He creates the universe so then the universe creates him. You don’t start nor stop the loop. It runs forever in its own pocket time stream. You can enter it and exit it relatively. If you consider yourself as a single entity in a single moment in time(moment by moment) but in the 4th dimension you are not relative to time. Time is relative to you.
"Time travelling" isn't the right term I think, and slightly misleading. Amy Adams' character, through understanding the aliens' language, gets the ability to remember the future, in the same way as she remembers the past. Fascinating ideas, an excellent science-fiction story.
The easiest way to explain how time works for the heptapods is to imagine it like this: We experience life like a movie, each instance a single frame in a strip we view start to finish. The heptapods view time as a whole, like a painting, they can see everything they are present for at once, and experience their existence as a whole; the heptapod speaking to Louise on the ship is simultaneously in (what we perceive as) the future, occupying and experiencing all those (what we'd call) moments a single moment.
Five days from now (4/18/19) will be the second anniversary of my daughters death. We knew we wouldn’t have her forever, so we cherished the time we had, made sure to say I love you, and show appreciation and not worry about stupid stuff. I’m so glad we said those things, because we had not regrets then when she did die. We left nothing unsaid. That being said, it was still not easy having this foreknowledge, for us or for my daughter as well. She made an impact and left the world a better place. The grief is still crippling. Much love to all. 💕🐝
@@joeylawson6964 Thank you! I know she is with me and her dad, while also doing for other people who need someone up there for help or comfort. That’s who she is! 💕🐝
As far as actual science fiction goes, yeah, I'm with you there. In my book, it's Close Encounters, Arrival, 2010 Odyssey Two, 1986 V miniseries, (not the finale Battle.) Time After Time, Fantastic Voyage, Forbidden Planet, 1956 War of the Worlds, When Worlds Collide, and 82 The Thing. It's a rare gift when we get a sci fic story that is all about the science and the characters, and not about the space lasers and 'splosions. The action adventure stuff has it's place, love me some star trek, battlestar, firefly etc. but when it comes to hard boiled sci fic, I want facts, figures, laboratory coats, and debates on the human condition.
Johnny Dominguez Oh I could have gone on for days with that list, but I had to stop somewhere. But given the ranking, yeah TDTESS should have been somewhere around Forbidden Planet or War of the Worlds. LMAO, I just saw what you did there, Canoe Reeves, that's hilariously accurate.
About the science? Science was merely the vehicle. Its not a movie about Aliens, Spaceships, Physics, or Time. I hope you get to meet the people inside the vehicle - they're really what this movie is about. ;)
My heart was broken for her at the end of the movie. I can’t imagine choosing to have a baby knowing that you’d have to watch them die young. & falling in love then losing your husband because of it. That would drive me insane.
I've experienced this as a Mother. My son was epileptic. And through his young life I had dreams and visions. These visions prepared me for his accidental drowning in 1996. He was 14yrs. Death 7/11/96. As my dreams and visions happened I would tell to them. Friends and family. They would politely listen. Before Jesse Death I had insights to things like.. 1 Saw my Mother's emergency brake snap off in her V.W. 2 Saw my father's mistresses image in a dream before seeing her photo 3 yrs later. 3. Saw my Ex-husband doing bad things. And driving drunk before police call. 4. Finding drugs in the house and in family car. By way of a voice directing me to location. Many more.. This movie I've watched weekly now. My favorite. 😊
Can anyone explain the significane of number 18? a)18 hours was the time gap when shells would open and humans can enter and communicate with aliens b) Future shang meets Louise in gathering that she called him 18 months ago and told him his wife's dying words (I don't think 18 is random here)
18 and 666 are the same value in gematria as they both reduce to 9, 9 is the number of ego and man. 666 is highly significant in sacred geometry and can represent carbon based life, carbon has 6 neutrons, 6 electrons and 6 protons.
