Arthars reacts to Xeno's take on WoW's Race to World First

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@OldManInternet 7 месяцев назад

Both of the races have a novelty to them, but they both also suck as public events in their own way. At the end of the day it's all a matter of what you think is more interesting: A P2W race for rich people who can afford better tools and equipment than everyone else, and that 80% of the event is just boring filler while the real teams get out to their insurmountable head start before starting the actual race, or a race between groups of cheaters who have access to illegal tech, who also hold the race in the dark because they can't afford to get caught red handed. Because neither event is on equal footing, and both are almost unrecognizable from the actual experience of playing the game for pretty much everyone.

@SlinkyRock 7 месяцев назад

If you think gold and gearscore buys you World first victories in WoW, you're completely delusional. FFXIV plugins can mess with the server and client if they feel like it. You can't do that in WoW.

@OldManInternet 7 месяцев назад

@@SlinkyRock If you think the investment that Echo and Liquid can put into the game don't give them an insurmountable advantage over the other teams, you're equally delusional. Nobody else has the resources to devote to splits or mod writing to have any sort of chance if being seriously involved. There's no doubt that the players involved are good at the game, but that's just one piece of what goes into winning at this point. That said, what people can do in FF14 with mods is also ridiculous. That's why I didn't try to imply that one was objectively better than the other. Both races have moved so far away from it simply being the best players trying to clear the boss first that it's just sad.

@SlinkyRock 7 месяцев назад

@@OldManInternet Well, it's a great thing I didn't say or think that. 👍 Also, when you say "also ridiculous" it just sounds like you have no idea what FFXIV plugins can do. You can even hook up cheat engine and fuck around with the values and the game is ok with that. I just completely disagree that the race has moved away from skill, again. If you sincerely believe that just having the ilvl will net you the win, you're just ignorant and delusional.

@booblaa9734 5 месяцев назад

It's crazy to me how casuals think using add ons is some kind of massive advantage and cheating in ffxiv when probably 90% of raiders use these add on every single day. It's like casuals are seeing it for the first time thinking they are only used in world race.

@OldManInternet 5 месяцев назад

@@SlinkyRock It's a good thing I didn't say or think that then. I never implied that the players involved lack skill at the game. All I said is that what these players are engaging with is entirely different from the raids that the rest of the player base experiences, and the fact that they're effectively playing a different game from everyone else by engaging with it in a way nobody else does makes it a bad event.

@highfiveguy 7 месяцев назад

xeno's complaints were generally valid, and your take on the advantages of the wow race were also legit. was great to see a reasonable reaction. zepla's reaction was frustrating to watch because it felt like she was arguing against points xeno never made.

@worldshakerd3889 6 месяцев назад

Actually pretty much all of xenos response is completely false. As for knowing the bosses its not true the last 2-3 bosses cant be tested on PTR. Splits for gear HAVE to happen or it not even possible to clear these fights. The amount of people that work on the race for top 2 teams is aboslutely insane. You have people do the math on fights/people making weak auras/people to do the math on every single cooldown to make sure your team can clear. How do know what he said isnt the truth ive done the exact same content and cleared in 14 as him and was in a top 200 guild in wow. The amount of time and effort and difficulty is completely different. Her saying know the fights doesnt help is false and true fights in wow are not telegraphed like in 14 fights can change mid pull and you have to think on your feet constantly. As for people cheating blizzard constantly watches and nerfs bosses mid raid and constantly watches the tops raiders account during the race so cheating is very very hard. Now scummy shit man i could tell you some stories.

@vitorfelicioni2594 6 месяцев назад

Zepla is that you? @@worldshakerd3889

@Redcritxx 7 месяцев назад

multiple nerfs to the raid midway through the race from an outside perspective is really insane

@SpaceElvisInc 7 месяцев назад

World first diff

@therabbits69 6 месяцев назад

They always do that when raids come out. They have all the data and when they are watching the races they can clearly see if just pure mathematically the bosses will even be possible to kill. They nerfed Fyrakk's last 10% or 5% because in blizzards own words those last 10% are basically the same in terms of difficulty and timing as the previous 90%.

@Redcritxx 6 месяцев назад

@@therabbits69 i know there are like alot of classes and different specs that make balancing the game a nightmare but still after so many years of designing raids you would think they would have the tuning somewhat down by now

@therabbits69 6 месяцев назад

@Redcritxx they do. For the average player. For the top .01% it overturned. Blizzard always overtunes for week 1 mythic that way they can lower it if they need to which is better than raising the difficulty.

@JohnnyMaverik 4 месяца назад

@@therabbits69 Blizzard can't do maths and just get it right in the first place. They don't even understand how their own specs fking work. Monk auto attack sets lol. Case in point. Indie company.

@clayskii 7 месяцев назад

Funny enough, I think you guys agreed on every point.... Xeno was saying he prefers FFXIV race from a raiding and participant perspective. He even says at one point that WoW's is definitely better from a production/viewer standpoint (the points you talked about). But the race itself it sounded like you guys were on the same page.

@csrjjsmp 7 месяцев назад

If giving one team a 12 hour head start in a race doesn’t mean anything what does that say about the race

@redbloodreaver4935 7 месяцев назад

Raid releases at the same time for everybody. But Team Liquid are in the US time zone while Echo play on European hours, so the difference in living and sleeping habits means liquid got to get their members to raid earlier.

@skcansMachine 7 месяцев назад

It's all perspective. A 12 hour head start in a 14 hour marathon, yes that's auto win advantage. But a 12 hour advantage in a race that lasted 13 days (312 hours)? Not so much. Races in video games, especially MMOs where it's primarily down to knowledge of the fights, is not your typical race between teams that compete with finesse. It's similar to speedrunning how people can hold the record for years, only for some unknown to come out of nowhere and take #1. The newcomer has all the knowledge and information that the past participants have gained right off the bat versus the old guards who had to find them themselves

@lightningv4210 7 месяцев назад

doesn't matter how long the race is ? 12 hours is an insane amount of extra time, especially in a long race@@skcansMachine .... if in a 2 hour marathon and you have 2 equal runners,, and 1 runner gets a 10 minute head start ... how is that not a benefit ? isn't the early part of the race about grinding out the early fights for gear ? don't all the players already know the information for the early bosses ? meaning the team that gets the 12 hour head start is just starting to gear 12 hours earlier ? i cannot possibly see how this is not an advantage and having 12 extra hours of gearing in a game where loot is random... i cannot possibly fathom how they ever lose unless they are just super unlucky

@lucasvallet4487 7 месяцев назад

@@skcansMachinethis race was fairly close. The only reason it was so close was because of the headstart, remove 12h of orog from liquid and suddenly they are much farther behind. Same for the previous one, echo would have won, going strictly by the time kill, if it wasnt for the 12h headstart. Not sure why people argues it doesnt even matter

@PKcrash 7 месяцев назад

out of curiosity are they playing on NA aion classic?

@CyframerEX 7 месяцев назад

We keep saying "We'd love to see the FFXIV top players race" but my ignorant knowledge was "Oh they don't want to stream to show what they know from their progress". Now I feel the reason is, while possibly also being what I mentioned, it may be more so "not to show what tools are helping us". So the only way we'd ever get the veil lifted would be: 1. SE allows modifications without bias. 2. SE puts an official competition forth with a prize to win. Maybe 2 would be enough and we would see only from a "clean POV" (there could be others behind the scenes/not being shown), but I think these aspects alone are why WoW actually has it mostly better and the FFXIV is mostly a "best effort" rather than something that can hold a candle in an MMO competitive stage.

@user-re4mj4vu5f 7 месяцев назад

Actually, both of u agree with each other, and Xenos understand perfectly such as why best players in ff14 not stream their races, and the "small advantages" and shit, he said it all in the video he react to Zepla. He also mention about ff14 has no "real" race but only community "created" race.

@Monstercloud9 7 месяцев назад

...the WoW RtWF isn't officially sanctioned by Blizzard either, what is he talking about?

@ProtossOP 7 месяцев назад

@15:42 But why should a raid be balanced around 2 guilds? That's my main complaint with WoW RWF and mythic in general: it's initially overtuned to cater to these 2 guilds, but after RWF it's being heavily nerfed during the rest of the patch. I mean sure if were talking about entertainment then yes, it's cool to see best players approach hardest content in the game, but why does it have to be on LIVE servers? If they're that far ahead in skill than everyone else then make a tournament realm for them and let them compete with each other. From the average mythic raider I would say "fuck Liquid and Echo, make the raid more approachable for the AVERAGE player"

@worldshakerd3889 6 месяцев назад

They arent.

@therabbits69 6 месяцев назад

It's not. There was at least 8 guildes all in the race and all close. And no the HARDEST difficulty does NOT need to be approachable by the average player. That's why you have HEROIC. The top guilds are literally going in 10-30ilvls LOWER than what the average player will have anyways so it's ALREADY approcachable by them. They also have LFR and Normal for the super shit players.

@vitorfelicioni2594 6 месяцев назад

@@therabbits69 what a stupid thing to say... so an average player should never experience the content the game provides?

@therabbits69 6 месяцев назад

@@vitorfelicioni2594 when did I say that? THEY LITERALLY created LFR for casuals to see the content. That is what it's for. In Blizzards OWN words LFR is for those who do NOT want hard content and only want a basic tutorial mode.

@therabbits69 6 месяцев назад

@@vitorfelicioni2594 also an average player can easily do heroic clears.

@sct77 7 месяцев назад

I find it to be subjective because there's no way I'm sitting there watching a group pull a boss a billion times when there's little to no new mechanics. Every time I tune in for a few minutes to watch it's legit just a boss healthbar going down. People playing their class well isn't as interesting as watching a group figure out a new mechanic or seeing a new phase on an ultimate. To me the only interesting thing about the WoW race would be seeing weird strats and following the Echo vs Liquid drama.

@NotBer 7 месяцев назад

You don't get to watch the world first FFXIV raiders solve mechanics or watch phase changes in real time though..

@sct77 7 месяцев назад

@@NotBer I'd rather watch the world 3rd or 4th progress than sit through 200 boring WoW pulls.

@Zedword42 7 месяцев назад

@NotBer I only care about world first stream clear. I'm confident the ones that are clearing off stream are the best despite whatever plug ins they're using. As a viewer I care about stream first. Off stream world first can circle jerk each other I don't care, do it live or it doesn't matter.

@NotBer 7 месяцев назад

@@sct77 huh? FFXIV ultimate raids (regardless of clear ranking) also take around hundreds of pools.

@sct77 7 месяцев назад

@@NotBer Yeah but as I said, they actually see new content and bosses.

@Redwolfxx 7 месяцев назад

24man ultimate one day, not at beginning of expansion but the end of it.

@Thundawich 7 месяцев назад

Doesn't the mid-race patches kind of ruin the experience? I know it'd take me out of it if halfway through a basketball game the umpire just came out and redid the 3 point line to be 3 foot further out because they judged the game would be more fair for everyone that way in the long run.

@skcansMachine 7 месяцев назад

Competition in games, especially MMOs, is not the same as real sports. They're similar in that it's different teams all competing to be first so it stays true to the spirit of the competition but as for the actual game/sport itself, they're NOTHING alike and can't be compared the same way. There's no single rule that every game and sport must follow, they can all be treated as a separate entity. While in other games it won't work to suddenly nerf something in the middle of a competition, it works in WoW and that's all that matters.

@RrowdyBeast 7 месяцев назад

It's almost an imminent necessity with how complicated WoW's balancing is, and how open the combat can be to exploits. Gear can have attributes and abilities attached, as well as trinkets, specs can morph depending on how they're customized, etc, so the devs tend to overtune the raid in preparation and scale it back rather than make it potentially too easy It's definitely weird if you haven't avidly dug into WoW for years at some point, totally understandable with how relatively smooth FF14's balancing is, Arthars does a great job explaining the mindset about it

@Thundawich 7 месяцев назад

@@RrowdyBeast I'm not saying its weird, I'm saying that from the outset the knowledge that the umpires could step in and change the nature of the game in a way that would alter the outcome of the match makes me have no interest in the competition itself.

@The_TylrG 7 месяцев назад

Just having an umpire in basketball a game would be odd enough. :P But balancing WoW for the 0.1% is impossible. Blizzard can only make a best guess and then try to quickly change it once they start getting data. They don't want the race to be super short and disappointing like the previous tier, but they also don't want it to be 3 weeks long (any more). They've gotten better about trying to not nerf things that the groups are still progging. They will only do that if it's unkillable in a reasonable amount of time. They will try to nerf or buff later phases and bosses that the RWF teams still haven't seen.

@therabbits69 6 месяцев назад

A lot of the patches or updates are needed due to how complicated it is to mathematically. Blizzard watches the races very closely and has all he dps/hps and dmg data and can on the fly figure out "hey this boss is mathetically impossible to beat right now" It's why they nerfed fyrakks last 10% cause according to blizzard it was 2-5x harder than the entire first 90% of the boss.

@SuperTacocat 7 месяцев назад

I disagree with Arthars here to an extent. And I'm sure we find different things exciting about the 14 race due to his perspective as a participant in world prog. I watched the WoW race and yeah, I was on the edge of my seat for like a week straight, it was that hype. 14 will never have that level of competition as long as the top teams don't stream. IMO that's not their obligation, but it would be exciting to see how the literal best players in the world prog. But the 14 world race is exciting for exactly what Xeno is talking about: the sense of discovery. Seeing a brand new phase for the first time; mechanics we've never even imagined overlapping before they wipe the raid in spectacular fashion; the raiders, casters, and viewers all brainstorming solutions simultaneously in real-time. That shit is electrifying. Even beyond individual mechanics, things like Ultima puzzle, TEA heart, and DSR rewind were all fun to speculate on, and they created a bubble where 14 felt like a larger community. And with ultimate, even the spectacle elevates the viewing experience. People who have never raided in their lives can still appreciate the storytelling of DSR, or Dynamis lore in TOP. Watching Twin and Nael drop down with Bahamut to start executing trios, as a player who had just finished Coils with some friends for the first time, is what made me become a raider. I watched the TEA race with a friend whose favorite game ever is FF9, and the moment he saw Perfect Alexander he dedicated himself to improving enough to get there. To me, that shit is exciting. I care about that shit more than who's in the lead.

@MaDJaMXIII 5 месяцев назад

"If you are not first, you are last!" BASED!

@Sephvion 7 месяцев назад

Don't some of those same race to world first raiders actually beta test the raids, for Blizzard? How is that fair for the others lol? They may change things, but it's still a semi sneak. Then you have the arms race between the devs making harder mechanics or overlap so many mechanics versus the addon makers. But that's how they want to play, so let them I guess.

@ETIENNELIVE 7 месяцев назад

The Beta test is open to anyone, doesnt include the last boss (which is always the way hardest) and gets reworked very often before it even hits release. Its shocking that u get like 30 Upvotes even though its pretyy obvious that you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

@NotBer 7 месяцев назад

@@ETIENNELIVEFFXIV fanbase is almost like a cult. You must be new here.

@handsupdb 7 месяцев назад

PTR testing is 100% open for that exact reason. Same availability for everyone.

@merrickmorgan6890 7 месяцев назад

It is a common saying in jamaica that everyone is faster barefoot lol

@AftermathRV 6 месяцев назад

1:00 Ok so theres a difference kindred might not stand a chance, but they kill on the same day or the day after in wow, the 3rd,4th and 5th placed guild dont evne kill in the same week, and sometimes its 2 weeks. so the gear dif is bigger, and in wow those gear levels supermatter 4:30 actually that literally happened the tier before amidrasil And with the nervs being timed for liquid, the closeness of amidrasil couldve also been partially attributed towards that headstart.

@seraphinagauld4100 3 месяца назад

gear diff is definitely a big factor. But Liquid and Echo dominance isn’t just about them running more splits and having more helpers to end up with more ilvl at end boss. Other guilds can’t catch up because the moment a guild showed competive results, all their good players that performed will get sucked into Liquid and Echo so the gap will never be breached

@AftermathRV 3 месяца назад

@@seraphinagauld4100 yeah, guess why its because of the money behind it, gold behind it, infrastructure behind it, and the massive player churn resulting in it so youre kinda just proving my point then its a 20 man roster afterall, where all of those things do matter, and also you cant kill the boss day 1 p much, the final one atleast. in ff you can, in theory, do that. so its all about figuring it out fastest. pull after pull, you get the idea.

@emiliouchila 6 месяцев назад

I think that Art pretty much explained the wow problem at the 8 minute mark. To play wow efficiently you need ur Ui to look like an excel spreadsheet to play ff you just need ur skill. Let’s not forget that addons are just soft hack and cheats. With the exception of damage matters.

@ksu9307 6 месяцев назад

Depends if you're casual or hardcore. You don't need anything but the timers if you're normal/heroic raider, or even casual mythic raider. But if you're in a semi-hardcore or a hardcore group then its just a bonus and makes everything easier, as that's basically what you're promising to the group. Also Blizzard originally also planned on releasing the boss timers, but community was faster on making them so blizzard backed down on that plan.

@emiliouchila 6 месяцев назад

@@ksu9307 it’s still a problem blizzard has relied so much on addons that the game is inefficient without it. I tried playing without them and everyone I played with keep saying the same thing, get DBM, get GTFO, get the rotation helper. At that point might as well be botting. WOW has a foundational issue that need to address and fix addons are supposed to help you play better not play for you.

@ksu9307 6 месяцев назад

@@emiliouchila None of those is playing the game for you though, you still have to know what you are doing. DBM does not tell you where you need to go for spreads or soaks. GTFO is only a sound alert addon when you stand in shit. Nothing else. Rotation addon people mostly use either if they're bad at the spec, or to learn the rotation and drop it after that. All of it is to make the game easier like you said, None of it plays the game for you. DBM and GTFO does not show you how the mechanics are done or how you should do them. If you mentioned like WeakAuras, then I'd agree more, but not on DBM or GTFO. Yet again, I know what you mean if you're not used to all of it and all that. But the ones you've mentioned are basically just timers and sound alerts minus the rotation one. Players manage to always make worse ones even after blizzard has broken some weakAuras and addons so its not really on blizz's side anymore but on the community more.

@emiliouchila 6 месяцев назад

@@ksu9307 again part of playing the game is understanding and figuring out mechanics. If I have a thing that tells me spread out, keep moving, or aoe I coming I’m just literally reacting to an addon playing for me. And u even seem to admit that some addons like weak auras do this. But I repeat what I said before if a game is reliant on addons then it failed at its core gameplay. When I play ff14 I don’t need addons all I need is good teamwork and good communication. This has affected the game very negatively where the devs have not designed the clues to resolve mechanics properly. Perfect Examples: swirlies, depending on place they can blend and their fades out edges makes hard to know exact where is the safe zones. Same with aoes with transparent interiors that the edges clips on meshes. Not to mention Ui issues like clumping all buffs together instead of diving buds into categories as combat buffs and long duration buffs. Also the lack of highlight of skills when needed. All this things could be fixed by the devs. But as long addons are allowed then they know that there is no point because why make the game better when some rando can make an addon that can solve the game for ya. Blizz should ban addons.

@nemesradu5807 6 месяцев назад

90% of FFXIV players uses addons and mods but they dont talk about it. What u said its crapshit and a lie! I know it, u know it, everyone else knows it. FFXIV Laucher, ACT, Penumbra, Mare and many more, sounds familiar to u? well there we go, stop saying wow players uses addons and FFXIV players dont use addons mods. The reality is most of players use addons mods, but the unwrited rule is - everyone shut up no one talks about it. Thats the reality! From housing, to erp, raiding with pf or static and make ultimate or savage raids, people use addons mods. Ur lieing to urself boy! Face the reality and dont talk shit!

@juicytin14 6 месяцев назад

I do love that raiding is so much more accessible but still challenging at the same time in XIV. Raiding in WoW is like having a job... you gotta join a guild, you have to participate and climb that social ladder and then get put onto the raiding team. There is a very big social aspect to it and as someone that works full time, it's very hard to commit yourself to it. In XIV, you can literally hop onto PF and do everything from Extremes to Ultimates, the only downside being that it can sometimes take a very long time to find a party for some bits of content.

@RoxanaEstella 7 месяцев назад

Not to shit on anyone, this is just my pov after watching both Arthars & Zelph reacts. This is so much better explains and makes sense. Arthars gives out his opinions then gives out why Xeno would never understand wow race and the excitement to watch wow race compared to ff14. He knows theres dark arts going on and isnt naive about it but even all of us doesnt know who is using what more, we just know they cleared but we never see it and that's what missed out. Wow race is actually hosted by the game itself, meanwhile ff14 race is hosted by the community Meanwhile Zelph...it's more of her yapping and screaming at that point. She's too naive to think mods. Any third party is cheating and even herself is using one during her clear in DSR. She doesnt explain why would Xeno think wow race sucks, instead focus on things that isn't what he said at all.

@ouromov2895 7 месяцев назад

Xeno and Zepla are basically ranting and raving from their own point of view with some bizarre takes. Zepla took a hill to die on, then Xeno comes in with his weird doomer take of "Everyone in the world is cheating boohoo, Everyone in WoW cheats too, trust me broo.. my source, trust me brooo" FFXIV's clear team was PROVEN to be cheating, I get the mod thing is very dividing among the community, but to not calling it cheating when it helps you clear is the naive thing to say. FFXIV is more a race to see who clears and doesn't get caught at this point if the situation is truly as they depict here. I get why they won't probably give any credit to a world first clear in FFXIV anymore.

@24hr-Gaming 7 месяцев назад

You can tell FFXIV has no content by the amount of dumb drama players start every day/week. This week's seems to be: Liking something they don't like.

@SlinkyRock 7 месяцев назад

YUP! THIS is the content. The social dynamics that have absolutely nothing to do with the game.

@kat8506 7 месяцев назад

😂 I can't SO TRUE

@ouromov2895 7 месяцев назад

I've seen some other content creators latch onto this already, it's just beginning. They are really starving. It's worse than usual youtuber drama, cause it's just a farm for bad takes on every side.

@one_eyeddd473 6 месяцев назад

There's a lifetime of content. They are lazy. Look at ravs recent wow vids. We need a story arc scripted series that's funny and has a plot like uberdanger style or barny...it's so ez to do in ff cuz the emotes are next level. These creators aren't creative . That's the problem lol. They latch on to trends following viewership analytics. Right now clearly it's cool to say the game is bad and end walker suks. Look at zepla. She was like the queen of the community n a few negative videos and switching games and she's fell from grace imo. She shoulda never turned her back on the game she built a brand off (I know she played wow first)

@flipnskater 4 месяца назад

@@one_eyeddd473EXACTLY, I've been saying this too. They have sooo many tools to create content compared to any other mmo on the market, but don't utilize them.

@Starrky923 7 месяцев назад

15:45 I mean, they have months of PTR AND tunes in real time which is a bit pathetic

@huhwtf666 7 месяцев назад

Nice self report

@redbloodreaver4935 7 месяцев назад

Like what arthars mentioned, the sheer insane number of class and gear stat possibilities in wow means blizzard are never likely to get tuning and balance correct the first time round

@Eishikigami 7 месяцев назад

@@redbloodreaver4935 And that's one of the markers against it, regardless of if the excuse is a good one or not

@Starrky923 7 месяцев назад

@@redbloodreaver4935 damn if only they could influence how many stats and combinations there are in game and it wasn't written on the stone tablet.... Oh wait they can

@ouromov2895 7 месяцев назад

So is using addons to clear in FFXIV

@FloDaddelt 7 месяцев назад

I'm 38 and played WoW for 9 years, you get used to set up triggers etc. pp. you do!

@fallentwonine7450 6 месяцев назад

I'm a FFXIV simp and when I first heard Zepla's take on it I thought I was pissed because I'm heavily biased.. Thank you for proving me wrong Arthars, very nice take for people who don't play WoW

@miatomi 6 месяцев назад

starting to think that Xeno's cult of personality is actually toxic for ff14, people are so obsessed with what he thinks, it's like asmongold

@Noct_Snow 7 месяцев назад

Arthars all this video did was reinforce that wow race is bad lol

@MaDJaMXIII 5 месяцев назад

Xenosys Vex not playing WOW. Good. Very good. 2024 looks brighter!

@KLLI-eq1zk 7 месяцев назад

you can always count on the 40y old hard boiled mmo veteran father gigachad to spit some truth and wisdom Amen

@Choristoceras 7 месяцев назад

Do WF groups in FFXIV do all the split raiding shenanigans and stuff that WoW groups do?

@sticky-soup 7 месяцев назад

No, ultimate raid releases a few months after everyone already has their bis gear

@Choristoceras 7 месяцев назад

@@sticky-soup So, that increases the number of candidates by quite a bit compared to WOW, as you don't have to have 5+ characters and do split runs in normal a week before Mythic release, I guess...

@redbloodreaver4935 7 месяцев назад

@@ChoristocerasNo, all FF14 raiding teams already start off with the required gear to beat a newly-released raid

@bogerdank 7 месяцев назад

6.4 race i think krile did splits because of abyssos week 1 fiasco, but you won't see it normalized in race setting

@SpaceElvisInc 7 месяцев назад

Savage gets cleared in like 2 to 3 days so there isn't time, and Ultimates are made for bis so there is no need

@ziltoid984 6 месяцев назад

Wait, do none of the high end players stream their runs? I'm a new player that wants to raid (hopefully) and hearing this sounds insane to me, if you're in the higher echelon of players why would you not use that to your advantage to propel a career in content creation.

@coolyeh1017 6 месяцев назад

Generally the highest level of raiders do not stream during the World First Race. Arthars and Xenosys for example are high level raiders and have in-depth knowledge but they are rarely WF contenders (though they are around top 10-20 teams). Additionally XIV is not designed as a full time streamer content unlike other MMOs as such the level of drama coverage proportionally increases as the "content drought" begins. Only recently has it been considered to only accept fully streamed progs for the race due to numerous controversies in the past.

@cmerk100 7 месяцев назад

"After 430 pulls We nerfed Tindral HP by 20% and guilds were stuck at 24% hp until the next week when they got massive weekly gear upgrades from vault and did more splits for more gear and then the boss died in 10 pulls." Very exciting. Meanwhile in FF14 - "P8S overtuned by 1%, time to make 37 videos on the drama and how its the worst balanced fight ever created."

@BankaiPwn 7 месяцев назад

Meanwhile in FF14 - "P8S overtuned by 1%, time to make 37 videos on the drama and how its the worst balanced fight ever created." FF14 balances on 100% uptime pure single target with no job having unique ways to influence things. No shit p8sp1 got memed on.

@lunaticmode638 7 месяцев назад

@@BankaiPwn 1% overtune meaning some job combinations factually unable to clear, ffxiv players just too bad at the game to even realize that

@cmerk100 7 месяцев назад

@@lunaticmode638 Every job has cleared. It was not impossible to clear even with bad jobs. And that was only week 1, week 2 it was clearable by those same jobs. Get over yourself and the week 1 drama.

@DaeisArc 7 месяцев назад

@@cmerk100 Pls show me a War/Pally/Rpr/Mch/Brd/Rdm+ any 2 healers clear week 1 P8S. Still is a standard party comp so it should be able to clear right? oh it couldnt lmao cut the cap bro

@NotBer 7 месяцев назад

@@DaeisArc that's a very very very very very very very very very very very specific example lol

@kat8506 7 месяцев назад

Thanks arthars for clearing things up

@OizenX 7 месяцев назад

Its a competition to see who doesn't have a day job the hardest.

@zenith3803 7 месяцев назад

As a person who’s ignorant on WoW race, I’m more keen to buy into Xeno’s take than Arthars’ here. Arthars is acknowledging many of the points Xeno is mentioning as true but is implying that they are redeemable because of the factors he enjoys in the WoW race. Arthars correctly states that racing and raiding are different things, and from a development point of view in terms of raiding, a raiding experience where ~3 teams get to experience the raw content while the remainder majority of the raiding players don’t seems like such a flawed content design.

@OhSunchips 7 месяцев назад

I like Arthars but his biases gets in the way of almost everything, it's hard to agree with him 99% of the time. He always ends up with the shit take I swear. He'll make something sound worse or his opinion sound worse whenever he tries to argue something and then its just like 'what are you even doing bro'

@TaigaGalette 7 месяцев назад

The only thing I hate about raiding in Warcraft is that you have to clear trash and the run backs are garbage

@SlinkyRock 7 месяцев назад

Yeah! Raids should be more like a singular boss fight into a perfectly shaped arena instead of, you know, actual raids!

@SpaceElvisInc 7 месяцев назад

My brother in Christ you are storming a citadel of evil why wouldn't their be minions,

@lunaticmode638 7 месяцев назад

@@SpaceElvisInc ffxiv players cant imagine playing an actual game instead of a visual novel xdd

@ouromov2895 7 месяцев назад

In FFXIV the idea of trash mobs is silly, because there are no meaningful loot drops or any sort of itemization, and no mob difficulty with mechanics that would make raiding even remotely interesting or get excited over other than the spectacle itself.

@Zantetsudex 7 месяцев назад

Arthars makes very solid points himself, though they also happen to galvanise Xeno's points even more. Nobody with any sense in their brain will want to deal with all the rigmarole involved to even get started with playing the game.

@tangentkatz 6 месяцев назад

Nah, he's mostly poking fun at Xeno. If you can get through SE's terrible interface to buy FFXIV, get a subscription, and get it downloaded, you can manage WoW addons. Installing addons has gotten waaay easier over the years

@Zantetsudex 6 месяцев назад

@@tangentkatz It's not the installation that's the issue, far from it. Just the fact you require the addons in the first place alone should be a red flag.

@arturius9715 7 месяцев назад

You guys are practically the same age 😂😂

@Brenzyr 7 месяцев назад

RWF in WoW is about hitting a wall and waiting for Blizz to nerf it xffing and for "normal people" the content will be do-able after more nerfs xffing

@lunaticmode638 7 месяцев назад

You guys are aware that they BUFFED the bosses this time around right?

@VizerPS 7 месяцев назад

ffxiv players don't know anything about things outside of ffxiv and pretending WoW is bad in every way xffing

@Brenzyr 7 месяцев назад

funny how you assume I never played WoW, I used to raid in mythic difficulty for 14+ years@@VizerPS

@JohnnyMaverik 4 месяца назад

@@lunaticmode638 This time sure.

@tangentkatz 6 месяцев назад

I watch the WoW RWF for the same reason I watch the Super Bowl or World Cup: to see the best players compete against each other. And like those games, it's boring if you don't understand the game well enough to understand the skill required for what is being done.

@FrankTPP 7 месяцев назад

The difference is wow is literally not playable unless you download addons lol where as ff14 you can just jump straight in and play addons defiantly help but not needed

@aroix2667 7 месяцев назад

one was designed with addons on mind and the other wasnt

@eddiewinchester3272 6 месяцев назад

you both have a point, i play both mmo and i still agree with xeno to some extent, any other game when you compete you compete with raw skill where everyone starts with the same shit, wow's race to world first is just an 8 hour day job where you compete with raw resources and man power to gain maybe a 1% edge before raid even starts, and how is this the fun part ? and people arguing the 1% does not contribute oh god it does, if not why spend 300k for it?

@thegamer101n 7 месяцев назад

There's a real shift in how good and reasonable Arthas' points were to Xeno's take versus how dismissive Zepla was of it. Arthars brought really good points without needing throw shade or be biased

@Ephemeral96 7 месяцев назад

xffing up enter KEKW

@ikeaira8701 7 месяцев назад

Raiding & Gearing in XIV is a complete joke in-general. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy(ed) the music, and how cinematic it can be but it's lacking.

@ouromov2895 7 месяцев назад

Only thing I miss from WoW after quitting is actually getting some meaningful loot. All the loot is just for show in FFXIV, as well as the dungeons. Raids are just for the spectacle and like one glowy weapon.

@ikeaira8701 7 месяцев назад

Yeah, XIV has nothing meaningful in the long run keeps ya questioning: "why even bother" while you're "grinding" for something. It's unfortunate but it's designed that way on purpose, and there's nothing we can do about it at the end of the day besides criticize it. Here's to hoping the next FF MMORPG is a proper one@@ouromov2895

@skwarrior14 7 месяцев назад

afaik wow has a ptr where the people who have access to it get to learn the mechs 1st then they have weakauras that essencially play the game for you and its all allowed so their race is essentially a race to develop the weakaura first

@Jeff-nv2yc 7 месяцев назад

yes because if we have the same weakauras theyre using, we can just afk and kill fyrakk too

@greencaptain2783 7 месяцев назад

All the things what Arthas saying you need this and that, is what make wow so bad and unapealing for new players.

@Eishikigami 7 месяцев назад

I agree, for a competition to be 'great', it should be able to be appreciated by the layman without specific knowledge to enjoy. I watch WoW RWF streams and I have no clue what's going on (and I imagine WoW players watcvhing FFXIV for the first time feel the same way)

@lebowski3748 6 месяцев назад

The 12h doesnt mean shit? Yeah sure. Copium.

@maxwell4322 7 месяцев назад

It's hard to claim wow has an intense race with so many add ons and gold payments for advantages. Racing in WoW takes alot of real $$$$

@Jeff-nv2yc 7 месяцев назад

It's more intense because of exactly the factors u mentioned. it's not just player skills but the funding and resources available that hypes up the race. same as to why ppl would rather watch a pro than an amateur tournament

@TsukyShiro 7 месяцев назад

@@Jeff-nv2ycI mean when you need to spend 15k real US dollard to be actually competitive, well

@Jeff-nv2yc 7 месяцев назад

@@TsukyShiro u can try to be a really good player and get recruited by them. it's like any other competitive popular esports games, the players that compete are not doing it for free, they're getting paid and the teams are getting a shit ton of revenue from ads and sponsorship and trust me it's much more than 15k usd, uve to pay ea of the 20 members salary for their 2 weeks competing in the tourney, not including any bench players and the casters that commentate on the event.

@TsukyShiro 7 месяцев назад

@@Jeff-nv2ycI'm just talking about getting ready ingame (Gear, Food, pots..), not about salary, but yeah

@Jeff-nv2yc 7 месяцев назад

@@TsukyShiro yeah it's all related with supply and demand. if ppl are willing to pay good money to watch this and the teams are getting good sponsorship deals, 15k usd for them is a small investment to make. at the end of the day, for better or worse, the race is just a cash grab event for the top teams. whereas smaller competition like ff14 rwf are more of a private amateur tourney where everyone can join in

@picxal1948 7 месяцев назад

37.... Used to use pagers.... 🤔.... Wait what???

@Riku2005 7 месяцев назад

GoodTake xffing

@holo_val 7 месяцев назад

To summarize, "WoW RWF is more exciting because of the players' skills, and since we never get to see the true WF teams in FFXIV it's less exciting without their skilled gameplay". I mean, I get the point that is being made here, but it's gonna mean nothing to the majority of FFXIV viewers cause all they care about is 'Stream World First'. Did some team post a screenshot on twitter first? Sure, but no one besides RWF raiders really care about that. And I think that's the difference here... Arthars is speaking from a racing raiders perspective about the excitement of a RWF where being first actually matters, but for the majority of viewers what they care about is who shows the journey there first.

@24hr-Gaming 7 месяцев назад

Do you remember who was stream WF for TOP? DSR? TEA? Probably not. No one talks about that shit even when the WFR is going on. A lot of people tune out the second the Twitter post gets made and you can straight up see that in the view counts before you go malding. FFXIV players just have this weird af sense of entitlement. They hate content creators but they want everyone to make content for them.

@ouromov2895 7 месяцев назад

@@24hr-Gaming I sure hope they'd be making some content other than bitching at each other for their bizarre takes on games they don't even play.

@terrificlife1576 7 месяцев назад

WoW has changed a lot for the better in the last year, and based on the future plans, it will be even better

@Raionhardt 7 месяцев назад

Splits suck People playing in ptr sucks Teams paying for weakauras sucks People's UI with 20 weakauras and addons sucks The raids getting constantly nerfed during the race sucks The players suck The game sucks

@SlinkyRock 7 месяцев назад

All of those things and I don't see your World first title!

@SpaceElvisInc 7 месяцев назад

World first happening off stream because of add on usage sucks lmao,

@Raionhardt 7 месяцев назад

your dad beat you with the dumb side of the belt too hard

@nulanula9331 3 месяца назад

The boomer take is just dumb, ffxiv is drama farming after the raid tier is over 😂😂😂

@lilawaffel186 7 месяцев назад

xffing bald

@spaceyzane9275 5 месяцев назад

Addons. That’s why it’s all trash of a “race” or raiding in general. No one want to actually do it the proper way. It’s like saying, I can’t play call of duty so I’m gonna use aim bot.

@GhostAeonWolf 7 месяцев назад

- wonder why the world first raids never stream, and when someone leaks their footage, its with cheats... - WoW casting team makes the wow race entertaining, even tho nobody knows what the hell is goin on through all the addons in wow. - wow racing is actually RMT cheating... those two teams borrow gold from the RMT mafia, they buy gear from AH and from players in Heroic raids they run, to farm gear, then they pay it back by selling Mythic raid boosts - the part that arthars skipped. Xeno mentions it somehow, but he wasnt sure about it.

@aroix2667 7 месяцев назад

they used to borrow gold mainly for mythic boe but it was changed this expansion that the first 3 week you wont be able to sell mythic boe so they no longer borrow money

@sicksycle 7 месяцев назад

xffing up enter

@HarumiYu 7 месяцев назад

For me, Race in FFXIV does not have any weight because at this point people are competing around themselves, with all the cheat and stuff, it is not a "show" for the community or not even exciting to see, even so, that people are more inclined to see streamers that they like, do the stuff on their pace and clear, than following the race as a race itself.

@Starrky923 7 месяцев назад

The fact that you have setup all of the external stuff that solves the game for you already makes WoW absolute dogwater imo

@Jeff-nv2yc 7 месяцев назад

so ure telling me if u have all the external stuffs that those RWF players have, u can do it too? thats like watching premier league football players playing football and saying, yeah i bet i can do that too if i have the proper training facilities and coaching.

@RyuSaarva 7 месяцев назад

@@Jeff-nv2yc No it would be like someone else did all the work and you just show up on the award ceremony to take the prize for yourself.

@NotBer 7 месяцев назад

@@RyuSaarva yet despite all that, WoW world first raid takes more than a week of daily progging.. sure sounds REALLY EASY huh

@Jeff-nv2yc 7 месяцев назад

@@RyuSaarva the players are still the major contributor to the raid...yes there are background members involved and their jobs are also important and so when the team won the RWF, it also means the ppl working behind the scenes won too. just like the ppl working bts in movies and films. everyone worked together as a team whether its Liquid or Echo, not just the 20 players in the raid edited: typos

@BETAsin 7 месяцев назад

the fact that you cant rotate camera to top view and no auto backface culling makes 14 dogwater imo

@Tyrbris 7 месяцев назад

GIGACHAD WOW BAD GIGACHAD

@LM-nb7rj 7 месяцев назад

TRUE!!! WOW BAD!!!

@Mr15moss 7 месяцев назад

im not hating on wow because I never tried but, the reason im NEVER going to is because im like xeno. I dont want to download/update a million addons just to play the game.

@lokischeissmessiah5749 5 месяцев назад

i literally have about 4, and they automatically update easily with curseforge. I don't get this argument about it being "needed" to go through lots of effort with addons. They are there for people who want to do harder and harder content, but like anything, you find the level you are comfortable doing. If i needed another addon, i'd just type the name in curseforge and click "install". Done. Especially since from the beginning WoW has been designed with addons in mind, and they are integrated well. Arthars is right abouit the boomer mentality here. It's such a trivial, non issue, zero effort thing. I feel sorry for you having to live in the modern world with that kind of mindset.

@Mr15moss 5 месяцев назад

@@lokischeissmessiah5749 having to live in the modern world with that kind of mindset? What the fuck you talking about lmao. I don't want to install any add-on because it's my choice . I have the right to not want to install add-ons on any games. I agree with yoshi p statement on add-ons and I love how they are doing it. Just the fact that I need something that isn't from the game is a turn off for me that's all lmao . If you are happy with your add-ons then you do you but don't force others to do the same .

@lokischeissmessiah5749 5 месяцев назад

@@Mr15moss I wasn't forcing anything stop being so melodramatic. I'm saying addons don't add any more tedium and you're probably being hypocritical in your tolerance to tedium given there are things in ffxiv that are more labourious than having to download addons. also "I agree with yoshi-p statement" ofc you do, you didn't need to say. Every ffxiv player is basically cult like in their herd mentality for scking yoshi pp.

@Mr15moss 5 месяцев назад

So agreeing with a devlopper means scking yoshi p? damn so I do not have the right to agree with him on addon? Its possible in life to agree with someone on something you know lmao@@lokischeissmessiah5749

@powergi3996 7 месяцев назад

We will never see World first groups play on stream because they are all "cheating" in some way or another. They all use Cammy to play with zooming out at least. I don't know if they use Splatoon but I would not be surprised. UNNAMED_ WON.

@ouromov2895 7 месяцев назад

This is where Xeno really lost me. Trying to somehow justify that cheating is somehow okay because everyone does it, some weird whataboutism to explain why its okay / likely that every FFXIV team cheats with addons. And his doomer take on the whole world cheating and WoW cheating too because.. source: trust me bro?

@Kizoja 7 месяцев назад

I'm 8 minutes in and I feel like arthars is making a good argument as to why addons are bad for WoW while also knowing that's probably not his opinion at all.

@Thienthan 7 месяцев назад

I honestly don't care if you're the best players in the world, if you're a cheater, you're a cheater, simple as that. You might still win without the cheats, but the fact is, you cheat. You can't justify it.

@ouromov2895 7 месяцев назад

Thank you, I don't get how many people just side with Xeno's take etc. If you cheat, you broke the rules and your whole achievement is void. What is so hard about this? He didn't give any proof about WoW-guilds cheating, aside from "trust me bro." Meanwhile in FFXIV they got caught cheating and blasted by the devs and he's still saying "They cleared first, they won" what.

@ETIENNELIVE 7 месяцев назад

The amount of FFXIV andys in the comments that have absolutely no fucking clue about WoW debating about non existing things is the funniest shit ever.

@ouromov2895 7 месяцев назад

Xeno's take on "All the WoW guilds cheat. Source: trust me bro" is the highlight.

@VizerPS 7 месяцев назад

yeah it's great watching ff14 head-in-the-grounds whose entire opinion of WoW raiding is "they allow addons so the raiding is bad" just because yoshi p told them addons aren't allowed because they're unfair. arthars is spot-on with the sheep analogy the addons are too powerful? they play the game for you and the race is about which team can make their addons play the game better? please just don't comment on things with such "i heard it from another clown" ignorance

@Paraguai123 6 месяцев назад

@@ouromov2895 All of the WoW guilds cheat, a.k.a, the two teams cheat.

@tangentkatz 6 месяцев назад

My favorite game in "FFXIV players comment on WoW" is to guess if the person as either a) never played WoW, or b) guess which expansion they quit in.

@algee6005 7 месяцев назад

My problem with WoW is that it's just not fun. It feels like a mess.

@SlinkyRock 7 месяцев назад

Care to explain how it's not fun?

@lunaticmode638 7 месяцев назад

Im sorry that your brain can only handle 2.5second gcd xdd

@ouromov2895 7 месяцев назад

Retail is immensely bloated, the story is horrible. Classic is okay for gameplay. FFXIV lacks a meaningful loot system though and the netcode is kinda janky, still my game though after quitting WoW.

@SlinkyRock 7 месяцев назад

@@ouromov2895 To be fair, FFXIV story is full of middle school writing. The reason I personally quit the game is that the jobs are too boring now.

@ouromov2895 7 месяцев назад

@@SlinkyRock Some parts of it 100 % are, but still better writing than in WoW imo and I don't have to buy 50 books and novels to figure out whats happening for 50 dollars a pop. FFXIV has a lot of flaws that they wont fix for years prolly..., but maybe Riot MMO will come out on top soon enough x)

@firefangz 7 месяцев назад

The WoW world first race used to be a lot different from what it is today. Not necessarily a bad thing, it's just how it has evolved over time. I think both FFXIV and WoW's race to world first are so inherently different that it's like comparing apples to oranges. Both have pros and cons sort of thing. I personally like watching the kill vids on any world first race, that's always such a cool moment and it's great that it's captured in both games.

@NotBer 7 месяцев назад

so you're more of "watch the ESPN highlights the next day" than watch the game live

@raptorking3678 7 месяцев назад

Woah buddy no room for nuance here. It's either: Wow bad Or FfXIV bad You can only pick one

@Deevon667 7 месяцев назад

Doesn't matter what you think the race is about when you admit he's rigjt.

@skcansMachine 7 месяцев назад

The biggest difference between WoW and 14 races is that WoW is official whereas 14 isn't. WoW has real sponsored teams that were built for the sole purpose of winning to compete in an official event hosted by Blizzard that we can all watch from start to finish. 14 race aren't even streamed. It just feels like an amateur event with zero personalities competing behind closed doors. You could not pay attention to the race whatsoever and it won't change anything beacuse that's how the winners are announced. Frosty would be streaming the current #1 stream team then out of nowhere the race is over.

@SpaceElvisInc 7 месяцев назад

Blizzard doesn't host shit. It's funded by the world first guilds, its all community driven, its just recognized by blizzard

@skcansMachine 7 месяцев назад

@@SpaceElvisInc I didn't know WoW races were hosted by the community as well, it feels like an official event with how much traction it gets.

@zeradshi 7 месяцев назад

@@SpaceElvisInc This race atleast Echo was sponsored by blizzard Wow Rumble so its getting there

@enzotheold 7 месяцев назад

I'm in 9 minutes in, Arthas dosent come up with any argument against Xeno take, only his opinions why his enjoys more. In fact, I would say that he agrees with everything, but he likes thw RWF flavor. That's all 😅

@justinquisitive7226 7 месяцев назад

It’s funny because most of the people saying WoW’s RWF sucks are complaining about things like real-world cost to the teams, foreknowledge of mechanics, add-on development, mid-race balance changes and so on. The thing is, these issues are only important to people participating in the race, they are not relevant to the viewing experience at all. You can actually watch the top teams compete in WoW, but not in FF. That’s really the end of the discussion. The only valid point is “split runs are boring.” Okay? Skip that part of the race. 🤡

@NotBer 7 месяцев назад

bUt FFXIV wOrLd fIrsT rAiDerS do It oFF-sTrEam bEcAusE SOmE mIgHt sTeaL ThEir StraT...

@HoboJoe10000 7 месяцев назад

I'm gonna be honest here. Your takes are pretty terrible on this one. You're finding excuses for why you enjoyed the race, not addressing the points he's bringing up. You're giving old, tired excuses as well that have been discussed for a decade now. The PTR, the tuning, the splits, the release, these are all factors that RWF players know suck and want changed. I get it's exciting watching them, but the RWF has a lot of issues.

@HoboJoe10000 7 месяцев назад

Also, there's nobody saying the 14 race is better, just that there's a lot of problems with the WoW RWF. Figured I'd cover that before you or others come to try and make those comparisons.

@HoboJoe10000 7 месяцев назад

@russpc9739 not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying there's definite problems with RWF, that both xeno and RWF players have brought up for years, that Arthars glosses over by saying, "You don't get it." Something can have a lot of issues and still be fun.

@redbloodreaver4935 7 месяцев назад

'It's more exciting to watch a wow race' is the whole point of the video. No one is talking balance or fairness here. Look at the wow race viewership on twitch. Nearly 400k on echo and liquid channels alone. Meanwhile FF14 ultimate race viewership doesn't even cross 20k. That's the difference in excitement factor

@HoboJoe10000 7 месяцев назад

@redbloodreaver4935 that's my point though, Xeno was addressing the issues with the RWF while Arthars was talking about how fun it is to watch. He wasn't responding to anything Xeno said beyond, "Yea, but it's fun" and, "You wouldn't understand unless you played WoW." Even though both Limit and Echo players, plus a ton of other players have raised the same points Xeno did. What I'm saying is Arthars completely went around what Xeno said.

@24hr-Gaming 7 месяцев назад

I HoboJoe10000 am the fun police. If you dare like something I don't like I shall smite ye.

@Monstercloud9 7 месяцев назад

Xeno would have stayed at the back of the bus among FF14 content creators if it wasn't for the massive flood of new players and content creators trying the game for the first time. Sadly he coat-tailed his way back to quasi-relevancy. In either case, Xeno is so far up his own ass that he can't stop expelling words for a second and have a critical thought to see he's saying a lot of things that apply to FFXIV races. That or they're just tired "old man yells at cloud" arguments that have been brought up every single time someone talks about WoW's endgame. As far as Zepla goes, IDC either. Both are creating content to keep their names relevant until DT releases.

@SilviteRamirez 7 месяцев назад

Any time somebody says all the top teams cheat it just sounds like a self-report that all the most popular most successful streamers for the FFXIV category also cheat and also hide it. To speak on it with so much confidence and suggest that "they are cheating even if they show their Task Manager" just says to know that information that you also do that. Why should anybody take the integrity of a streamer to heart if they say things like this? Why watch anybody if they are all cheating? For personality? Lmao, funny cheater xdd what a personality

@NotBer 7 месяцев назад

yeah, because a world first clear done off-stream is SO LEGIT..

@TsukyShiro 7 месяцев назад

@@NotBerEven on stream, you can't know if someone is using an addon.

@NotBer 7 месяцев назад

@@TsukyShiro and that's why FFXIV world first races are an absolute joke.

@TsukyShiro 7 месяцев назад

@@NotBer What?

@NotBer 7 месяцев назад

@@TsukyShiro at least in WoW, you can watch the world first clear in real time, you watch ECHO pop off and celebrate live on stream. Like an actual race, you watch the winner cross the finish line. In FFXIV, the race is just who tweets their screenshot first. The clear was done off-stream because the winning team was "hiding their strats".. Clear enough for you?

@ouromov2895 7 месяцев назад

Xeno sure has some strong opinions on a game he doesn't even play or understand. Don't get me wrong, Zepla's take is weird af, but Xenos borderline doomer mentality of "Everyone in the world cheats boohoo, lace up and cheat too cause everyone does it. MY SOURCE? Trust me bro!!!!" "Everyone cheats in WOW, you just dont know it cause its clever and hidden, source? TRUST ME BROOO"

@TsukyShiro 7 месяцев назад

But its fact and well know in wow community that top guild use RMT AND buy a shitload of wow token, Buy boost to gear up faster ..

@ouromov2895 7 месяцев назад

@@TsukyShiro If its such a well known fact. Where are the bans? Last I checked buying WoW tokens while being a horrid system is still an in game system. The whole "artificial race" is such a dog comment too. When FFXIV doesnt even stream their clears. How more artificial can a race get than not even showing it?

@TsukyShiro 7 месяцев назад

@@ouromov2895I'm not saying FFXIV Race (not raid) is a good thing, to me this is just dogshit, not because they're not streaming, but because we aren't playing with the same tools as them. They're great players, the best of the best, and if they down it first, GG, but i'm not using the same tool so this is not relatable to me Do you think that competitors in a race should each spend ... i would say $1000 to participate? Because that's how it's done in WoW I know my english is kinda broken but i hope you understand my point.

@ouromov2895 7 месяцев назад

@@TsukyShiro Honestly I think both races are shit, I'm mostly playing the devils advocate here anyway trying to call out the bias and weird takes of Xeno on the matter. So sorry if I came out hostile towards you. I don't take the race seriously at all, it has no merit. The "first clear" has no merit because its not an actual contest, because we have no idea what kind of tools they are working with and they don't even stream it for any excitement. Accessibility is 100% better in FFXIV you are right on that, but standards, integrity, it being an actual competition, WoW has it beat. Even normal sports cost money to participate in, some higher than others. Maybe FFXIV should make an official race format, invite everyone to Japan, make it a spectacle.

@Tresskzilla 7 месяцев назад

When the raid fights themselves are so shit in WoW, you're never going to convince me that the racing scene in WoW is more entertaining or "better" than XIV. The fights are just so shit in WoW and everyone just relies on using weakauras and DBM to tell them how to play the game and its just so pathetic.

@VizerPS 7 месяцев назад

^ pathetic comment by yoshi p acolyte

@patrikbatemanx 7 месяцев назад

WoW race is the best, actually goated. why do people (in this case xeno) need to have a take for everything, even when you have no clue about stuff, so weird. people who are "anti WoW" look at stuff thats not "ideal" in the race and use this to dislike it/shit on the whole thing.

@elvininfante307 7 месяцев назад

“Xeno is 37 years old” …….liar.

@3ASY355 7 месяцев назад

We need Asmongold back so I don't have to watch these stupid nothing burger drama videos. Maybe that's his role in the community, is to show up once every 2.5 year to fill the content gap between end of expansion and the new one 💀

@ouromov2895 7 месяцев назад

Atleast Pint is still here, too bad he posts like once a year. But yeah, let's enjoy the content creators eat each other alive for what... 6-7-8 months until we get 7.0? Yaaaaaaaay content drought.

@freshskittles92 7 месяцев назад

nodders

@chrislee5268 7 месяцев назад

Nah Xeems is 100% right. WoW WF is boring affffff. The addons that play the game for you kill it.

7 месяцев назад

Then why 200k people watching their race while FF great community can't pass 50 and its on the first day, until it dies down?

@godhand2018 7 месяцев назад

I mean only difference is that in XIV they don't show you the addons that solve the game for them (unless they're retarded like that world first TOP group) 😂

@SpaceElvisInc 7 месяцев назад

So go get a week one mythic clear, its so easy right?

@dohalimilqarasdeldemenanci8483 7 месяцев назад

Millions of people watch obese people eat and do Mukbangs videos.......does that mean it's good?😂

@VizerPS 7 месяцев назад

LOL "addons that play the game for you" most commonly-spouted ignorant ffxiv player take award goes to...

@Bigbaby63 7 месяцев назад

I just wonder why you have to say FFXIV players are dumb? Does that mean all of them? You say they don't know how deep the rabbit whole goes so, if you know why not educate them and stop calling them dumb. There are just people in general that dont know the processess of rading ect. Why does that make them dumb? I watch FFXIV race to world first and it is fun for me. I also watched the past WOW race and of course I didnt know most of what was happening but it was kinda cool just to see it.

@NotBer 7 месяцев назад

If anything FFXIV world first raid are more artificial than WoW's. People are just waiting for a tweet anyway. No one's gonna see the world first clear on in real time. Imagine watching a race where the winner just shows you a picture of them at the finish line with a newspaper of that day's date and a clock, but you've never seen them actually run the course.

@24hr-Gaming 7 месяцев назад

Imagine a community that doesn't start a witchunts every ultimate race, not to mention regularly targeting content creators because they can figure out how to get Twitch or RU-vid to work. Oh, and if you don't cry to some andy's favorite scene they send you death threats. And if you dare insult the game of the almighty devs you're a heathen that deserves to be harassed. Couldn't be FFXIV. How can the community act like this then be shocked people don't want to deal with that shit?

@lunaticmode638 7 месяцев назад

@@24hr-Gaming ffxiv is just a mental asylum, i feel sorry for anyone that "seriously" plays this game

@Puduck1er 7 месяцев назад

Not accounting for taste, Baldo's take is pretty dumb (but cute) on this. Wow's race is superior simply because you can actually watch it... Refreshing fflogs and watching the (at best) 3rd best raid group is not a race...

@lunaticmode638 7 месяцев назад

15:10 dont forget that they STILL cant balance it correctly despite having homogenized classes and boring gear

@Jay-rk8wk 7 месяцев назад

You are wrong arthas , bad take

@user-bt4er1sp6p 7 месяцев назад

Xeno is being ignorant, add a little bit of FFXIV "blind raiding" superiority.

@nemesradu5807 7 месяцев назад

If u dont play the game Xeno why u have this stupid opinions? "its bad, its crap, i need to prep, i need that addon i need that and that". Xeno must show his skills in wow before talking about it, period. Also 1 little thing i wanna say. He is not a god! He is 0 wihtout a good team, like in every other game. Everyone here is 0 without a good static team wich understand and fit to eachother. Like Arthars said he cant even set his game up, imagine his talking shit. Remember that in FFXIV we had moonwalking dudes who cheat in Ultimate First Run. Show ur skills boy! Less talk more action. Go and play WoW and show ur skills if u are so so good and talk. I think if u put him in one of this teams lets say Liquid, he cant even ressist to that presure and super high intense raiding. They will put him to clean the practice room and go out with the garbage. :P

@Eishikigami 7 месяцев назад

Why do you need to play a game to have an opinion about it?

@lunaticmode638 7 месяцев назад

@@Eishikigami because if you dont know how the game plays you can have no valid opinion about the gameplay

@Tresskzilla 7 месяцев назад

@@lunaticmode638You don't need to eat shit to know that it probably doesn't taste very good...

@dohalimilqarasdeldemenanci8483 7 месяцев назад

You are clown if you think someone needs to play something to know if it's bad. 1 glare can be enough for you to know if something is bad in your opinion.

@Big85746 7 месяцев назад

@dohalimilqarasdeldemenanci8483 true! Its just like how I think the ff14 story is utter dogshit despite the fact that I never played thru it! You are so right