Arthur Berman why Much Higher Energy Prices are coming 

Too bad there is not some cheap, abundant, and surplus energy that is delivered fresh every day . . . like Sunshine. ;)

Hi! Interesting! I have designed my own energy house that is being built in central Sweden now with south facing solar roof and wall mounted solar panels on south facing wall and east facing wall of the house. The wall mounted solar panels hopefully will provide a few hours of charging of the batteries during winter time. Perhaps you could mount some panels on a wall to get more of the sun winter time?/different angle from the sun. Cheers! /Johan

You will like my talks with "Mr.Hydrogen", Swedish inventor Hans-Olof Nilsson that has built an over 500m2 house that is using surplus solar energy during summer to produce his own hydrogen that powers the house completely off grid in central Sweden all year even during the winter! Link part 2: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wwYQrgfnJuE.html&t Cheers, Johan

Has anyone calculated the amount of copper (or other material) that supergrids will require? My sense is that it's impossible, unless someone discovers a superconductor that works in ambient conditions.

@@tbayley6 It is Aluminum. The conductors that the Grid operates on. Much lighter than Copper, and massively cheaper. Aluminum is the most common metal in the Earth's Crust. It is very doable, but will harm the existing Oil, Gas, and Central Plant (Nuke and Coal) Industry. We have already done the math on the materials and the money.

@@philtimmons722 Cool - who's "we" though, and where is the math?

@@tbayley6 oh sorry. US Grid Level Electrical Engineer. On the design side of things, we sort of work and think in the future. I work the Texas area and beyond. Math is pages of spreadsheets. But I think folks would be interested in that, huh? (Or maybe just us nerdly types. ;) ) What is a good way to present that type stuff to real humans? -- obviously RU-vid Comments are not optimized for that.

Jevons Paradox dictates that effeciency leads to more products or energy being available to MORE people than before the efficiency took place, i.e. effeciency leads to HIGHER consumption of energy not less, unfortunately. This does not mean we shouldn't strive for efficiency, on the contrary but it is a fallacy to believe that it is a solution that economics will solve with supply and demand. History tells another story. Take stones for example. We never left the Stoneage in absolute terms, we have never used as much stones as we do today, we are only more people and very very efficient to use stones in new innovative ways... Cheers, Johan

@@EvolutionShowNr1 Jevons Paradox was an observation -- not really a Law or even decent Theorem. For example, cheap and surplus horses after 1920 / WW1 did not lead to more horse use. This is not about "efficiency." This is a technology shift.

@@philtimmons722 Well, tell that to the brittish empire that ridiculed Stanley Jevons when he stated that UK would have to run out of it´s own coal when it was made more accessbile to the masses. UK postponed it´s demise as an empire by importing resources including coal. Same happened with its oil production. There are numerous examples. Think about renewables. We have addded more and more over the last decade it has not replaced fossil energy, it has been added on top of it and when don´t even know if the renewable infrastructure including the manufacturing of wind and solar can be maintained let alone increase with continued access to fossil energy. I hope we can but it is very unrealistic to think that we can have the current wasteful and indeed long term impossible, system of economic growth on a finite planet. But just to be clear, I´m 100 % for solar for example and have considered a basically maintainance free small wind mill for my house and was one of the first in Sweden to have both solar panels and energy storage and got my Tesla Model S. I´m just trying to keep the balance with Nature, right now we are heading towards a brick wall, we need to change and fast. Cheers, Johan

Wind and solar are the masthead of the thermodynamic ignoranti.

@@EvolutionShowNr1 You follow that Local Coal v. Imported Coal is NOT a technology shift? Coal is Coal. At this point we are talking about different technology, not more of the same. More like when things went from horses to Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) vehicles, 100 years ago. It was whole different technology. Horses became so surplus, that folks ate them.

Good point, gold price in US dollar just reached an all time high an indication of the underlying inflation/economy if any. Fiat yes pumped up by cheap fossil energy, as soon as that baloon bursts fiat will have a hard time motivating the illusion of continues growth. The real physical economy is and always will be the primary economy which always is limited by the underlying resources whether we like it or not. Cheers, Johan

efficiency is limited by the laws of physics, at some point you just can't improve it more and we will still collapse, unless we find a new actually renewable fuel (like cultivating macroalgae for fuel, the EROEi isnt as good as conventional oil and we probabaly won't be able to scale it to the level on fuel consumption of today, but it might work for a smaller human population and less vehicules) Space mining might also be necessary IF POSSIBLE, because we are running out of metals and recycling won't help us forever because of entropy. The key is to put the whole world economy into hibernation for a few decades until we can devellope these technologies, also while develloping gen 4 nuclear and reducing population slowly by conciously making less babies. But obvioulsy it won't happen like that, suffering is gonna happen because governments are gonna try to keep the current system going while it collapses.

Agreed

Not everyone can do that! The sun does not shine everywhere, and you cannot just put wind turbines everywhere. An EV is nice until you have to fix it.

you had to gloat didn't you.....

@@pauldichtel6410 "everyone" does not need nor want to do it. However most folks, most places around the world will want to and will do so. For folks that do not, that is fine, too. Consider that the Amish still use horses. What is it that you imagine is a repair problem on an EV? I have a daily driver EV for some years, now. Runs fine. Much better than the prior ICEs I had.

What are you gonna do when the wind doesn’t blow or the sun doesn’t shine?…

@@James-oo7bv There are cheap ways around that. See my other response. You are stuck in the fossil fuel Paradym.

The best solution is seasonal storage in under ground water tanks/pools I think. This work in large scale and is done in for example Denmark for residential areas with several 1000 people. Smaller solutions for individuals is to make use of the overproduction/surplus power generated in the summer time to make hydrogen that is stored for use when it is needed to generate power and heat again. Check out my conversation with Swedish inventor and entrepreneur Hans-Olof Nilsson, link below. He has built a modern 500 m2 offgrid house that runs on hydrogen+solar+batteries 365 days/year since 2016! He says that everybody said it couldn´t be done, which triggered him. Now his solution has been used in for example a new kindergarten for 300 kids that is completely off-grid with hardely no maintaince. Companies like IKEA and many others are interested in his solutions and a number of others. His company Nilsson Energy is also developing off-grid hydrogen generators. So we are talking about commercial solutions here not some "solo" special inventor stuff that can´t be used at scale. This segment will definitely grow and is mainly limited by the costs of hydrogen tanks which are still expensive since few are purpose built and at the scale for commercial use but Hans-Olof and his team are working on that too and of course several others around the world. I am hopeful it can be an important way to enable intermittent energy sources such as wind and solar to become part of complete energy systems that can run 24/7, 365 days a year without large centralized power and without fossi fuels, hydro or nuclear. Episode about Hans-Olof Nilsson´s hydrogen house: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wwYQrgfnJuE.html&t Cheers, Johan

@@EvolutionShowNr1 In Norway, you are probably right. However, in China and the US where there is a lot of sunshine all year round, the models show that the overbuilding approach is cheaper.

@@user-zb2st6zi6j Do you mean overbuilding of solar installations in general, connected to the grid? Cheers, Johan

Not me, I drive a big diesel duramax with all emissions DELETED😂 COAL BURNER BABY 😂😂😂😂.p.s I can afford it 😂😂😂very easily

(finishing the sentence ) . . . .. Nuclear . . . is now the Most Expensive, Slowest, Long-Term Dirty, and Highest Risk new generation EVER. That is why no one wants one and most folks have stopped building them.

@@fitsodafun Money Math does not work out for any size of Nukes. One Tenth or one Fifth sized Nukes (typical SMR model) do not really save anything. They just make more mess to clean up. At this point, Nukes of any size are: Most Expensive, Slowest, Long-Term Dirty, and Highest Risk new generation there has ever been. No utility really wants a New Nuke, and existing Nukes are slowly shutting down. In the US (largest Nuke Fleet in the World) -- Peak Nukes was 2012, with 104 Reactors. Now in 2024, US are down to 94, and the other 10 are not even missed.

FYI...we also now( just in the last couple years). Have vacuum insulated windows readily available. R factor for windows as good as walls

@@joeycad Yes I have learned alot when designing my own energy house here in Sweden that hopefully will be built later this year. Will make many episodes about that :) Cheers, Johan

Check out my talk with solar entrepreneur and inventor Ron Swenson from California, he has alot of clever ideas what we can do with solar and sustainable modes of transport like Podcars/Personal Rapid Transit he is working on in Silicon Valley. Link to the talk below: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C7TkoPMDv8Y.html&t Also feel free to check out my talk with CEO and founder of Absolicon, a world leader in commercial solar thermal tech with 80 % effeciency! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TRZFTtHELIQ.html&t Cheers, Johan Cheers, Johan

Its that price in our fossil fuel civilization but what it costs without fossil fuels is unknown. The price in money being almost irrelevant. You need to factor materials to make the panels, make the factory, transport the materials and transport the panels. Finally you need to account mining materials or recycling panels to replace older panels. If solar can give surplus energy in such an ecosystem is unknown though I can't imagine it will be that high. Its still great tech for those riding out the collapse but the role it can play in a future civ is just hard to guess. It could play a large role in a civ where we eliminate 80%+ of the transport system.

Cost of energy, while ignoring the external costs of creating the product doesn't mean there isn't an energy shortage. Styrocrete, windows, all need huge amounts of energy. It's like Norway has a policy of ev's but it's all dependant on massive amounts of energy being sold/used daily in the forms of fossil fuels.