To see an Allegheny 2-6-6-6 restored would be incredible. Never even dreamed a Big Boy would be restored but it happened. Well here's to dreaming it can happen to the Allegheny.
Such as shame that these amazing locomotives had such a short life and never got to show their true potential. But at least we can still see them in operation thanks to these clips!
In my opinion, from I have read, I think the reason why the C&O and N&W were rivals besides being the largest coal carriers in the US is that they both boasted the finest steam power ever. The C&O had their commercially built superpower engines and the N&W had their homemade steam giants.
I can put it to rest with an artical from the c and o historical society magazine I read on the truth of the allegheny h8 and what the c and o really wanted of the engines and why they basicly went for broke having the most powerful of all time and built by Lima the Cadallac of steamlocomotives. my reading of the artical starts here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oK8exIhXeoo.html it was to commemorate the one year count down to the 150th anniversery of the golden spike. I love the h8 so big and rugged and and screams america
Add the Union Pacific and you may have the steam trifecta. Big Boys, FEFs, Challengers and 9000s were the commercially built giants (bigger was often better in the eyes of UP).
Handley, West Virginia. I lived about 10 minutes away from there as a kid, back when it still looked a lot like this video. It's kind of sad to go by there now. The two main tracks, one siding and the shell of the coaling tower is about the only thing seen in this video that's still there.
These Articulateds were priceless and Sunday River Productions did an outstanding job of capturing these giant’s. I would love to see at least one of them put back into action but to see one transformed into oil, in my opinion, is kind of an injustice, for lack of a better word. But either way, Thank You Sunday River Productions, hope you’re still out there selling DVD’s. This one’s gets an A+++++.
She may not be an Allegheny, but she's one of the closest things to it! Great to see her starting to run again. Second largest operating steam locomotive in the United States other than Big Boy now, IIRC.
@@theextremeanimator4721 Big Boy's more powerful, but the H6 class (1309 and her siblings) aren't too far behind. They're around the range of the N&W Class As if I recall correctly.
1309 was built in 1949 based on 1910 blueprints...hardly superpower, but it will do nicely since it's located within driving distance of my residence (Columbus, Ohio)...I'll also have an excuse to make return trips to Cass, Durbin, and Elkins on the way over...:>)...
The C&O "Allegheny" type is an incredible articulated locomotive and it must have been very enjoyable to see them at work hauling loaded coal trains in Virginia & West Virginia, during the 1940's and '50s during the late stage steam era.
My father was a fireman for the NYC and an engineer and I remember him saying one day that steam locomotives can not harness their steam for it's full potential and this video pretty much says that, to bad to because I would love to operate a steam engine. Anyone can operate a diesel but it takes a real engineer to run a steam locomotive.
Here in south of brazil exist this machine the many years ago in Imbituba sc betwen 1979 and 1992 the carboquimic industry catarinense produced sulfuric acid and fosforic acid never the world make one report about very interesting maybe you search in google sadly for for governament problem she failed.
I think CSXT should have a steam program, and C&0 Allegheny 1604 should be selected for restoration to operating condition along with Greenbrier 614! If 1604's restoration is complete, it would be the most powerful operating steam locomotive in the world, surpassing Big Boy 4014!
Here's what I've learned. If you want a drag freight engine, use an articulated with small drivers and a firebox over the rear set of for higher tractive effort, a la the N&W Y6's. Higher horsepower, meaning a larger firebox and other Superpower components, a la the H-8 2-6-6-6's, should be used on flatter territory, where they're additional wheels make for better traction compared to a Berkshire. Given that an N&W A class had more traction, it's safe to say the C&O made the same mistake the Seaboard Air Line did with its 2-6-6-4's in underestimating their power and misunderstanding their purpose.
@@trainknut No, some Diesels and of course some high powered electrics locomotives benefited thus. Perhaps little Joe's had the ceee-ment treatment lol.
I don't think this video is actually that old... Keep in mind by the time the 2-6-6-6 was made they had _already_ replaced the FTs with the F3 and later F7, by the ends of their careers GP9s and early SD's were already being produced. I'm pretty sure he was just using it as a contemporary example, as the FT would've been one of the locomotives that Alleghenies were competing against.
Is that actual sound footage of the Allegheny or an overdub of some other articulated? There's reputed to be only one wire recording ever made of the 2-6-6-6. Even without sound this is great footage of Handley WV terminal, circa 1956.
Great footage, incorrect narration. The EM-1s crossed the mountains at Sandpatch ot Terra Alta on the B&O. Allegheny Summit is on the old C&O main line and is where the 1600's operated. Also, what does a C&O Hudson in Williamsburg have to do with articulated locomotives in Appalachia like on the vhs?
It's absolutely horrible that C&O scrapped their 2-6-6-6s and many of their other articulated locomotives. They were a major part in railroad succession, and only about a good few of them from two railroads decided that they were worth saving. I'm just relieved that 1309 is our C&O articulated locomotive Edit: I wasn't paying attention and realized that 1604 is still around and in preservation.
60 EM1 locomotives! That must have been one hell of an order and kept Lima busy for a long time. I bet they were glad to see that deal go down. It's too bad they had such a short life span. It seems like such a waste.
Hate to break it to ya, but the Big Boy has more tractive effort than the Allegheny (135,375 lbf > 110,211 lbf), so the Alleheny has no chance of out-pulling a Big Boy, operational or not. Yeah it has more HP (7,498 > 6,290), but it's tractive effort that gets trains started and pulls up grades
Actually 1604 isn’t the only one preserved. C&O 2-6-6-6 locomotive #1601 is preserved inside the Henry Ford Museum. live.staticflickr.com/5727/31299569192_d3d7b488d7_b.jpg
It is a 2-6-6-2 of the H-6 class, but of the earlier run, built in 1923, as opposed to the H-6 class built in 1948, of which 1308 and 1309 still survive.
