Artists don't make any Money. 

Yep it was some idea coming to reality

@@hillsongaming2822 Yes! Someone had to do multiple sketches of let's say, a shoe in 3D and 2D before it was made.

@@didi7074if only other saw art like you do. Art schools really don't put much into what jobs you can get. Most of digital artist I know all want make comic and cartoon.while dose job you mentioned, go to the first or third person that applies.

@@isaiahtr I actually only started learning about art jobs 2 years ago. Because NO ONE talks about it outside of the social media. You only unferstand the Art industry if you do research or find out by "accident" through the artists you follow. What a shame

@@didi7074 well at least you know now. I Think our peers are afraid of competition so they keep it to their self's. I'm a college student and I watch my paintings teacher let kids turn in circle and squares painting. It's like instead pretending to be edgy, use that time to actually practice.

true and i'm just imagining ppl who read the first line and got triggered as F "“Art should be free,” it is free! It’s free for everyone to do, to learn, to “master”".

I got so triggered when I read that first line, especially when knowing how long it takes me to make a piece.

I would just tell them to draw it, theirselves.

I agree with you

Insert "healthcare should be free". Then suppose that healthcare could be copied freely and it becomes an interesting conundrum. Spiritual and artistic regression to keep a low supply to feed into greed. It's no different, albeit healthcare certainly is more important. Art is socioeconomically unevenly distributed. It might be a stepladder for someone poor to reach a higher class, but it's ultimately something that draws unevenly from people on a lower socioeconomic ladder. Buying a movie is a much steeper purchase for someone poor than it's for someone of middle class or upper class background. That cultural enrichment gets severely limited for people of a lower socioeconomic class. Luckily technology has partially solved some of that problem (by making a larger library of culture available at a cheaper price, but even that's dependent on technological access) , but generally copyright has gotten far beyond its original scope. The fact that copyright lasts creator's lifetime + 70 years shows that copyright doesn't serve the public or the advancement of arts, but rather long term profit goals. A person in a normal job can't be expected to profit from their creations in such a manner for ridiculous long time (profiting off of our shared cultural heritage as if it's their property in perpetuity, but record companies and publishing companies and movie production companies have shown that there's no limits to where they'll go for a profit. Really copyright should've long since been cut down, to something like 15-20 years, irrespective of the creator's lifespan. That's a sensible timespan for a creator to be granted monopoly rights until it should be made available to the public, allowing them to profit from their creation. In fact, a lot of big creatives of our pasts were largely dependent on either government stipends, donations from family, private investors or on their own work income to keep their creative endeavors afloat. Some also came from wealth as well. Art really is only worth whatever a consumer wants to pay for it. If it doesn't, then art should indeed be free, otherwise you're wasting creative space. That's of course dependent on following a fully capitalistic view of society in which goods and services are traded on agreed terms, but distributed unequally. Perhaps a central governmental distribution method might be a possibility, allowing all art to be traded by government set prices, that allow for dynamic pricing, allowing these socioeconomic and racial inequalities to be bridged. This might solve other problems that haven't been solved by technology, namely the . Currently a lot of poor people have to spend a large amount of their budget to afford access to big cultural events, often depending on communal efforts and free or low-cost artistic environments to be able to enjoy artistic and spiritual communion. Showing another split in how socioeconomic experiences with access to the world of art is. At the same time art has largely existed as human need for expression and not necessarily a product foremost. I'm far more fearful of a society of capitalistic dominance where creative efforts are stifled through creative monopolies and copyright laws, than I am afraid of a society whereupon not everyone can make a lot of money on creative works. Once everything becomes business, about making as much money as possible, about beating out the other guys, it's easy to imagine what hollow souls we'll have become. Imagine treating yourself as a business. Every gesture you perform, every line of text, everything becomes a business product. We perform manual tasks (ie manual _work_) every day for free, without thinking about it. We open the door for someone, we help someone, we sing songs while taking the bus, etc. A fully capitalistic view on human interaction is one which doesn't encompass the width of human interaction and self-exploration. That's without the big question whether what you're actually making art and not just design. Which would open up another big can of worms.Though the biggest issue overall is centralized businesses feeding off most of the money a lot of artists produce. There's long been problems within the music industry, leaving avenues for income low for a lot of musicians. Even within RU-vid this problem has surfaced as well, with how copyright has been handled on RU-vid, whereupon creators can even have their income taken from them either due to tiny similarities or just devious use of manual flagging.

Torii Skarlet 27 my exact reaction

Yes

hmmm hmmmmm hmmmmMMMMMM did you... draw you profil picture?

lmaoo i just dropped a comment abt my doubts on walking the path to be an artist somewhere in one of his videos and THEN i see this

Sometimes it be like that. Not gonna lie. HAHAHA

When you have the potential but just too tired to do it. 😔

@@RamonaFlowerz agree👍😔

Ramona Flowers so true

@@RamonaFlowerz Mood

That's the best part about being good at something, you get to help others on your way up :)

He broke down his income in another video and he didn't mention art sales at all iirc, it was all YT/gumroad/sponsorship etc.

👍👍👍

I 'm not sure , depending on his stats he could be doing a decent amount of money from the channel , but a good artist in the entertaiment industry can make from 45/50k up to 200k a year , a famous artist that sells pieces at galleries could earn even milions per year , so it really depends

Yeah this is apparently what artists are doing now - supposedly teaching (more like coaching/advising) other artists how to... Fail? Because if artists were successful at doing art, there wouldn't be so many of them going THIS route - making advisory RU-vid channels for money. It's a bit sad really... This "niche" will be filled soon too (give it 2 years when the demand will be exhausted) and I wonder what people/artists will do then to earn some extra bucks online.

I almost clicked off because of how it’s started, but I was patient 🤦🏽‍♀️

@@Nexluna Eh, it was straight up facts though no matter how corny or whatever else it sounded.

Sad phase fam

Agree!

@@HelloMonster I've just seen rejection from ppl lol i asked them and few even answered if they wanna buy stuff or not

Same

Um we actually are recognized idiot, best examples would be western comic books that got adapted into the most popular movies like avengers, spider man, super man, iron man, etc. All these superhero movies we're adapted from comic books if you had a brain to realise that fact, also anime and manga are super popular across the world, solo freelance artists are the ones who aren't recognized except for skilled artists like Kim Jong gi, you arent recognized because you aren't good at it, deal with the truth

:o caan i se your father artwork?

@@trollrat2828 i never knew it will get this many likes aha

That made me think of art commisions in a different light,thanks!

:(

Your not in the ground, I don't see why you can't still shoot your shot a being a pro artist.

Blackhaze3000 Yeah, a lot of big name artists and cartoonists several decades ago didn’t get their break until in their 40’s

"It's never too late to change your fate" " Goodbye to yesterday" - Incognito

We have similar stories. I was a Fine Arts graduate who wasn't taught about these realities early on. Having such insecure financial situation for a few years forced me to shift to software development at 29. Made a career of it for 21 years, had some savings, resigned from my latest job this year, and intends to go back to art. At 50 years old. Wish me luck!

Lol I don't blame you

I love your avatar

Start enjoying art

BAADSHAH I enjoy art, a lot. But enjoying something doesn’t mean I will work for you for free. I worked for 12+ hours straight on a short film for free, do you know how I was after 12+ hours? I was hitting myself with an umbrella because of how meaningless and worthless I felt my work was. And I’m pretty sure, anyone who does this enough, no matter their job, would also go insane, if they were constantly working for nothing, no matter how much they liked doing it.

BAADSHAH SO STOP TELLING ME TO ENJOY MY WORK, WHEN I ALREADY DO, AND PAY ME MY GODDAMN WORK HOURS, MATERIALS AND EXPERIENCE.

I am very similar to you but a little further on the path! Defeating fear is going to be the most important thing for you. You heard it from me : you wont reach your dreams until you start your journey to defeat it. (I haven't defeated it yet) I wish you the best!

Bro we're with u don't think so much! Ne fearless and do it bro

I'm 17 and I feel the same way been as an artist for a really long time yet I still fall the same fear I am still having to face with confrontation. I feel ill willed how things are going through and also planning for my art portfolio for an enrollment for an art college this year..hopefully. But I do believe things would go well for people like us. Im also quite introverted myself since im homeschooled. Still I really don't know about college though. Learning takes time within growth and development. I find that really.. thoughtful when someone said that to me and we do.

@@mzkii1002 man i understand the uneasiness u feel when u want tp present yourselves to someone

@@henrymasih6400 It is but I do believe that there are ways how josh explained how to make good allowance with art as a career in the video. Everyone can do it.

Thank you!

Good luck!

Good luck!

You'll get there!

Good luck!!

It’s hard uts really hard same with my parents I want to be a writer and an artist but it doesn’t get us much money we have to follow society’s expectations it’s not fair you have to get “ a realistic job “ and lose yourself to a job you don’t like

and also a kickass sculptor can make good bank by doing pieces for instutions, government buildings etc. what's holding most fine artists back is not knowing how to market themselves.

Lemme guess.. You didn't take that up did you?

I agree with you. He is wrong about the classical arts not having any job opportunities. It's like how I don't know the job opportunities in digital art because that's not my area of expertise, he doesn't know what there is to do in the fine arts. I have friends who studied sculpture, who make scenery and sculpture for Disneyland, Zoos, and other parks. I know people who make bronze busts for universities, and build stained glass windows, and restore historic art and architecture. People do all kinds of things, he just might not be aware of it.

Diana Augustine I agree. There are some famous sculptors out there right now making bank. It seems to be a trend for people to think digital is the way to go... its best if you’re an artist who can do both rather than just one.

Right. Just look at Rafael Grassetti.

Nobody wanted you to write an essay

@@mihailwarsavski8849 he is just saying/sharing what he feels In relevant to the video which is touching and emotional, what's wrong with that?🙄

@@mihailwarsavski8849 I wanted 🥺

@@anhellvillar1742 everything

@@mihailwarsavski8849 then shut up ur not funny

Octoboobs I have the same problem. Way too often I’ve told myself I’m not good enough. To be honest, I haven’t found a solution to that. But I have a plan which will hopefully lead me forward. The biggest part of it is to »just post it«. Should the pic not be ig worthy in the end, that’s ok, because I’ve gained new experience. I’ll have an idea of what to change in the future. For example I’ve just posted two pics of some simple eye drawings. The pics themselves look ok i guess, but next to each other in my feed they just look derpy :D so before posting something next time, I’ll first check wether my previous posts might take away a little of its „quality“. Just remember, a small step towards your goal is still a step. Don’t let your fear stop you. In the worst case you can just delete or hide your pic and start over :) oh and if you’d like to share your ig, I’d be happy to take a peak

I got two ways. 1. When you or me make a first post to insta, you do it just to share it. Im sure we didnt think much about how much likes we’d get, or if it’ll get ignored, we did it just bc we felt like it. That laidbackness is important, try not to lose it. (Bc the more we post the more we are eager to see how much likes it ends up getting.) 2. This ones gonna sound mean, but have you ever seen a person with really shitty art, or art that u know u could do, or u know they traced it but people are like “omg ur so good! 😍”, and they just have more likes for some reason? I figured out why, their skills were in marketing themselves and getting themselves out there (their hashtags are crazy long). Even if their art skill sucked, they got more recognition bc of their use of always posting/holding art trades/contests/etc, something to gain an audience. See what they do. Also gain some form of competitiveness, to motivate you to do better and post more. (Those are my two ways, but rn Im fighting the battle of laziness.)

From what I´ve seen instagram as app values two things - frequent updates and consistency. So, find what range of techniques you enjoy most (digital cartoons, ink drawing, watercolor, 3D sculptures) and just post anything you make. Atleast one post per week. Even IF (!!) your art looks messy or bad right now, its alright. People will just see progress of your skill on your instagram and thats no problem. Now go go, less thinking about your worth and focus on, how to draw that awesome bird!

Just post and move on. Don’t think about the mini game that is Instagram, think of it as a place to post your work and move on to the next. Don’t dwell on likes or any of that, do what you want and need to do and move on to the next artwork you plan on doing. The key thing to remember when posting art online is that *you’re doing it for yourself and no one else, not for Instagram likes, not for followers but just yourself* the likes and follows will come. But if you’re going into it with the specific idea of getting likes, getting follows, you’re already shooting yourself in the foot before you even lift off the ground. Do it for you, Instagram is the background noise until it gets big, then you invest time into it.

@@user-kh6sr3rn2t thank you (and everyone else for advices), they're really helpful. I'm grateful for you guys. My instagram is @_jefimija. I have some art posted using the 'post and run' technique and it gets easier with time but once I start thinking about it I'm back to square one- uploading once a year. I'm not the type to track how many likes do I or other people get, I'm more self conscious of the work I'm producing being boring and not bringing anything new to the table. I will keep an eye on this comment section, this was really helpful 👀

What art school do you go to?

Yeah, I’m curious

THIS

Stop thinking about a technique as a "style". A technique (e.g. photo realism) is just that. Your style comes from WHAT you do with techniques. And because of the interwebz, relying on a "special" technique to set yourself apart is pretty risky. A) Because there's always somebody who's better than you B) Because people get bored by technique alone pretty fast. Look at a couple photorealistic drawings of an eye, a face or a gesture. Do these still amaze you after you've seen a handful of them? Are they still interesting enough that you would pay money for it? Think about what stories and what characters you want to "bring to life" and do that. If you're into photrealism, give me a photorealistic burning space octopus that's about to devour the earth. Tell weird stories that only you can imagine and it doesn't matter if you do it photorealistically or with stick figures. That's just a question of what is the easiest/most satisfying way for you. Maybe give the video "The drawing advice that changed my life" by struthless a try, it really helped my brain with the "click" moment :) Oh and stop trying to conquer the world/internet by storm. Start small in your local area. Connect with the people around you. Sell prints "in you neighborhood". People love to support local artists "they know". Create a bit of demand and THEN go and set up your online shop to expand your customer base.

@@KarstenWusthoff That struthless video was really uncomfortable to watch. His nose ring was skewed to the left and I couldn't stop thinking about it the entire time

Karsten Wusthoff very well said advice on techniques and styles! This actually really clicked with me! Thanks for this!

You know what's distinctive about me? I don't just make digital art, I needle felt sculptures and pet portraits out of actual cat and dog hair. Yes, if you take your dog to the groomer, I will spend hours turning the bad of fluff into a realistic depiction of them.

Can i see some of your work?🙂

Awe man. You sound like me. I wanted to be an artist for Disney as well. Had I knew what was going to happen I would have stuck with Mechanical Engineering. I still do my art and have one children's book on Amazon. But I would have chosen the Engineering path.

Why would anyone do commissions ? Its a waste of valuable time for artist.

@@UniDeathRaven Well artists need money of course. It'll be a waste of time for you if you didn't like what you're doing

It's a business, not just doing art. You need to brand yourself, and control customer expectation.

Thank you for making videos. This is the first one I've seen and it was very insightful and encouraging. Blessings 🌻 P.S. I would totally listen to your TED TALK if you ever gave one lol.

@@drewhibley3197 same

I think I have a similar situation with yours… I also struggle with consistency cause motivation doesn’t come easily and so it sucks that I’m not at the same speed as other artists in insta where they could maybe post in various times a week! 😞

HUUUZAH! A CREATURE THAT VALUES HIS TIME!

Racistly hilarious

XD

Cringe

@@mihailwarsavski8849 you sure are sir

@@Blazin720 Go back to reddit…

Whats ur insta?

I feel ya there. Drop yo insta and i'll follow xD

Yevvie ART you need a team. You can’t do everything by yourself.

Keep pushing dude the 1% of the art world that make millions didn’t follow and easy path

Whereabouts Unknown Plus the voice hehe

I understand this completely

I feel the same, I cant seem to touch digital its hard to learn a new medium. But I do know as a fellow artist that we stick together and I believe in you, even if we don't know each other :)

You just have to take that leap of faith my dude. Believe in yourself, there will be no failing but just mistakes and mistakes can be learned from. Adapted from. You can turn a mistake into a boon with the right amount of intuition and drive. Believe in yourself above all else and jump into that void because you never know what may happen if you don’t.

Honestly these problems begin from the start. Like most people here I also remember being drawn to art as kid but then the discussion about a degree and following that official route killed my creativity in general for a long time although it did seep in my hobby when I found film photography. I personally believe had I been allowed to develop my craft from a young age without pressure of following a set path, I would know myself better and be ahead in my craft. Money can be made easily (aka from low skilled jobs) if necessary you don't need a degree for that. Degrees are pretty much a waste unless you want to teach or something.

You can still make the most of it!

@@ergojosh I've graduated fine arts and it's a yikes tbh. Working as a concept artist 2D generalist in a small studio right now though.

Hey there. I'm in a similar dillema. Should I go to university or just work on my skills? I'm on a gap year, and I've worked hard to improve my skills and if I'm being honest, I'm not sure University can teach me more than I can teach myself by learning online. Thoughts? Thanks for reading 😁

@@jeremymunene5304 imo, I would get a business degree. If you have the drive, there are enough resources online to learn what I learned in school. Just stay dedicated to your art and don't be afraid to experiment and learn new techniques. Make other art friends and critique each others work without fearing hurting each others feelings. I would say the only thing I got out of university that I couldn't have got online is genuine critiques, which I don't have now that I'm out (and wasn't worth the thousands of dollars of debt that I'm in). A business degree would be much more helpful so you learn how to handle yourself as a business, because it's harder to find good business advice online than it is to find good information on how to improve on your art.

@@jeremymunene5304 In all honesty don't go to Uni...if i could do it over I would have literally worked a low skilled job and focused on my craft...I was set back by trying to following the 'norm'/ the degree path. There are plenty of courses and online resources to teach yourself.

Do art only part-time, while working another job, until you're making enough money doing art to properly sustain yourself. Once that happens (not before), then do art full-time ... Once you've achieved that goal of becoming a full-time artist, simply walk up to your dad and say *"You're wrong about art, dad"* then simply walk away. Leave him confused.

SUPREME EMPEROR MITTENS if i could get a regular job i would

SUPREME EMPEROR MITTENS but should I get a degree in animation or any form of art? Or I should just get into a degree that would get me money lol

Yes!!! I'm in college now and I'm pushing for an industrial design degree with the hopes or consideration of pursuing UX or soft goods design! I'm extremely fortunate I learned about a path like this at the time I did

Yes, you go!

Same...I was lost for many years but I totally relate....especially: "but art was just always there. It always crawls back to me as if it's wanting me to CREATE again."

it shouldn't be a competition its just a stupid market that makes it that way

thats why you should find your niche

My brother had to select his career path and said he wanted to be an engineer (take maths) and my dad was like *no* not at all you should be a doctor ( take science ) like your mom and I and blah blah blah and now here I am wanting to take arts

I understand, but i think telling her to draw it better is a bit harsh-

namjooncansteponmeandiwouldthankhim it really depends on how you say it. if you say “this is good, but you should try to make it even better” it sounds a lot kinder than “draw it better”

I feel like that would discourage a lot of people. Sure, be constructive... offer unbiased opinions. Provide challenges... but being scolded and criticized on everything you work hard on takes a very hard hit to self-esteem. Even if you phrase it kindly. Art is very personal! It could potentially make it so your daughter is very opinion driven. It won't matter what she thinks it will only matter what others think and that tends to destroy creativity. It will make her chase validation. A lot of kids strive to impress and please their parents and if their parents shut them down too much it could really ruin their views on art. The pressure can make it so they dislike art.

If someone did that to Mee all the time I'd stop showing them my work

@@miaa1762 She will thank him later when grow up.

Similar experience at a young age. It just annoys me how much time wasted trying to find the answer I knew all along....our childhood is the heart of our true self...being forced on a different path only to come back to art is a sad thing....

It’s a year later how’s your business going

Handsome Type of man yes😊❤️😁

Handsome Type of man yes😁❤️😊

If you find yourself being stagnant that usually means you’re doing something that’s causing stagnation. If you identify that it should help you out tremendously. Change it up, be dynamic that’s where growth comes from.

It's been almost exactly the same for me sadly. :( Also I think the algorithm is 1 of the issues causing it. Good to know I am not the only one noticing it.

Some people disguise their "success" with witchcraft.

Art is about new ideas and incredible stories

Blame us, the viewers, for creating the type of RU-vid where content creators need to use this tactic to succeed. I applaud him for continuing to reach a wider audience instead of being content with his current number of viewers. I’d rather click an interesting thumbnail and be inspired by the video than click a default thumbnail and be bored out of my mind.

I thought the same! I was pleasently surprised about the content