u see, that's the reason i cannot play with italian clans anymore full of potato that thinks they are better than anyone else. and either i play alone or in clan like that.
Looked up Grezzo97 after reading all his BS in chat.. That guy's stats are, as expected, bleeding red... Horrible PR, horrible WR, below 30k average damage on every class after 8k matches... How can you have 520 matches in BBs and still have below 30k avg. damage when your highest damage game with that class was a Lyon with 123k xD Guys like that are fun to engage.
It's always funny to see again how the most toxic people are usually the ones with a lack of understanding of game mechanics and/or skill. Plus staying in the round for more than 10 mins to just.... Trash talk... Jeezus
That guy was such a moron, I just block and blacklist people like that.. can't stand players who suck that bad and decide that will armchair general the entire game after getting killed
Brawling *is* still effective, because it enables your team. It enables your cruisers to get into forward cover, which enables your DDs to survive further forward, which wins you caps and positions. You also get some cover yourself. BBs staying at the back sniping always has been egoistical, and always will be.
Yeah I got targeted by an Austin Smolensk division 3 minutes into a match in my Yamato. I was dead in about a minute and a half. It was very fun and engaging gameplay
Being told what to do all game by people who statistically perform worse than bot AI sums up why I can't play WG products for more than an hour at a time...
broken ships in my view are not those which give shit players an easy ride, but ships which can entirely ruin another player's game experience. if you get focused by a CV, Smolensk, Austin, Thunderer, Petro... you know what i'm on about. that's my opinion anyway
But most of the ships you listed DO give shit players an easy ride in addition to being cancer for everybody else. Thunderer is probably the ship with the highest ease to play/damage ratio in the entire game. Sadly WG is going full retard with the whole concept of making ships easy to play and effective at the same time. Dead Eye is a good example of that.
I come from planes where WG's MO there was all about "ease of access" for new players even if that meant that above average or experienced players would be able to take advantage of the "new player assistance" mechanics to obliterate the new players. # RussianLogic
It show how genius of a move it was to prevent CCs to feeback on test ships , because after all it makes unnecessary long balance process before releasing new ships when all that matter is profit... How it's possible to take WG seriously now ?
When you talked about the Meta shift to the back and how this ship has to get in in range, i heard a quiet weeping behind me. When i turned to look i saw Atlanta and Flint contemplating suicide.
@@hellohamotherfather The buffalo was way less toxic, he got hated on and reacted, true. I mean he played like a bad BB with a radar cruiser, but he didn't flame everything and everyone^^
If a Montana - or any BB really - gets a taste of what a dakka ship can do, they'll not make that mistake again very quickly. It's been like that since I've been playing. Not all border snipers are caused by Dead Eye.
No, but Dead Eye makes the issue worse. That combined with half the player base preferring big, loud BBs and shit like a 30 second main battery reload, its no wonder why the game has devolved into "whoever has the better BB snipers" wins.
@@azurblueknights I don't think that's true though. Since the introduction of Dead Eye, BB's do LESS average dmg per game than before. Which proves Jingles' point that it's really the PERCEPTION of the skill that has changed players' behavior. Players grossly overestimate their ability to hit stuff from far away, and OTHER players' ability to hit stuff from far away. The team that pushed with even a small bit of intelligence will now win.
... Nothing about my statement is false. Whoever has the better BB snipers wins, regardless of whether they're missing shots or not. If those BBs aren't pushing with their team, their team is going to have a lot less firepower for contesting or controlling caps. So if by some miracle the enemy team is pushing forward intelligently and managed to take a cap without BB support, good luck contesting that cap effectively with your own BBs sitting across the map. Eventually the match will devolve into BBs trying to snipe each other when most of their allies are already sunk. The "average player" is what comprises 90% of the game's playerbase. You're not going to find BBs who know that Deadeye is a trap skill very often. Which is why Deadeye makes the issue worse. That and the fact that no one likes getting blapped by one salvo if they actually try to ambush the BB that's just sitting there.
You just have to adjust with other ships as well. If 2 BBs are sitting back against the boarder unsupported thinking they are safe at camp just sneak over with a DD and torp them while the CS panic and try to turn tail away from the caps. Anything the team does to break up the fleet gives openings to take them down. Sometimes as a DD, its fun to just make the CV be detected and keep your distance so he will panic and pull a CS or two over for support then have them sit in open water with no target as you kite away. The team with the most ships supporting each other wins so you just have to break that up.
@@ColoradoStreaming Yes, because it is so pathetically easy to sneak a DD over to those Battleships. I get what you're saying, but in actual practice it doesn't work like that. Not when your team are potatoes. Unless T10 is where all the super good players hang out, which I suppose is possible. Even though I have enough exp in the French line to unlock both T9 and T10 on both the cruisers and the destroyers, I won't. I have no desire to get roflstomped into the ground repeatedly. That's no fun at all.
Everyone stays in the back even before deadeye release. The difference is that even being far from the enemy isn't safe anymore with deadeye and an accurate BB.
Thing is without deadeye and forcing BB closer they are simply targets for ships like Smolensk, Worcester, Colbert et al that they cannot see or retaliate against. I love to brawl and in current ranked in the Pommern it is fun because there are few HE spammers that are even close to those, take that same ship to a random and encounter tier 10 spammers and that is not the case. Reworking deadeye is needed but they really need to then look at the BB role in the top tier as well as they simply struggle the closer they get. Deadeye has highlighted an issue not caused it.
I am starting a drinking/smoking game with Flambass! Every time Flambass picks his nose drink/smoke, every time Flambass complains how broken the game is drink/smoke, we're shitfaced 2 minutes in. For those who didn't pass out yet, when Flambass freaks out and screams "Theriouthly?! "over and over drink/smoke!
It's also because it's new and people don't know. Nobody goes broadside against Yamato, which can delete you in one salvo. People do go broadside against Austin .. at the moment. They will learn. If the Brindisi went didn't go broadside, she wouldn't die. And she needed one good salvo to kill Flambass.
If you look at it the game has been going in this direction for years and realeased similarly "balanced" ships constantly. We had Des Moines, Hindenburg, Zao and Moskva as baseline Cruisers, along with Shima, Gearing, Z and Khaba as DDs. They were all fairly balanced with torps, firepower, speed...etc. Then we got Wooster as the first Rapid fire HE spammer, then kitekaze- rapid fire, Harugumo- rapid fire, then Daring- rapid fire, then French DD line- Rapid fire AND Fast as fuck, (because 45 knots Khaba is not fast enough) then Smolens Rapid fire AND Smoke, then Yolo Emilio Fastest fast (for now!!) with smoke that covers her all the way, Bourgogne as Rapid fire BB, Thunderer as Rapid fire AND accurate as fuck BB....etc. Austin really shouldn't be a surprise. The game is getting faster literally every patch. I remember the good old days we had DRAWS as end results (which was not good) and often lasted full 20 mins. These days blowout/steamroll matches every day... The game is becoming a joke. Although... It really isn't a game, is it? It's a WG cashmachine PRESENTED as a game.
Do not forget British BBs. The first BB line ever introduced in this game with better HE than AP. Yes, Worcester, Kita, Harugumo, Smolensk, Thunderer, yes, yes. But British BBs came BEFORE those things. British BBs were the starting point of the current meta. I hate them. The only British BB I play is Warspite, because she has great AP.
A way to reestablish brawling as a thing would be to give BBs a skill which reduces their main battery reload speed significantly and decreases main battery dispersion slightly 1) the more ships are within your detection range or 2) the closer you are to a warship designated as your secondary's target :0 Dead eye can stay as it enforces ships like Slava or Champagne to not yolo and rush to the front but there should be an alternative skill for battleship lines which are supposed to brawl like the soviet and german BB lines. Don't know if it would work but atleast that's my ideas for now.
And yes, I know about that Skill which buffs your main battery reload when an enemy ( or something else) is within your secondaries firing range, but that reload boost is simply not enough. Yeah, believe or not. -10% is not enough as you can tell just by watching Flambass (or Flamu and Lord Mountbatten) and seeing that a few or sometimes all BBs are sitting basically at the border, lobbing shells all over the map. :/
A reduction of the damage control party or repair party when having two to three enemy ships within your detection range or secondary range would also be possible though in case of HMS Conqueror or USSR Kremlin it might not work according to plan at all.
Imagine legendary mod Gearing and legendary mod Wooster in a div with an Austin Legendary mod Gearing can outspot a shima and it has great smokes And legendary mod Wooster has good radars and hydros with a reasonably short cooldown And all 3 have very high dpm The cancer would actually be unreal
To be completely real, that last reload boost you were essentially double salvo-ing. You had 1 line of ripple fire going and before that one could finish you were starting another one. That makes me wonder what a full salvo spam on that low health reload boost would look like. I'd imagine it'd be like your full health reload boost ripple fire, but all guns blazing, so just wave after wave of incoming fire.
Next week: "We at Wargaming have decided to remove Flambass from the CC program for violations against *checks wheel of misfortune* facial hair standards"
For real though, can anyone name one core gameplay change over the years that's resulted in more dynamic and faster paced battles? Every change has made the game more passive; Radar, removing stealth fire, visibility bloom based on gun caliber, visibility in smoke based on gun caliber, carrier rework, every commander skill rework...
Radar would be much better if they had it so the detection was only on the mini-map just like real radar. So you know a ship is there but you cant really see it. That would be interesting as players will have to try to blind fire using only the minimap radar with no actual visual reference.
I rly would like to report that Grezzo guy. Calling everyone noob yet he died in the first 2 min apparently not looking at the matchups and anticipating german DDs, but being toxic af in chat. Playerbase in a nutshell.
My theory behind Wargaming's inability to make a balanced ship is purely due to the fact that they want people to buy it, then once ppl have bought it they nerf the fuckery out of anything that doesn't carry air divisions
I still think that WG should just make this game $20 to buy so they dont have to worry about suckering people into paying for crap down the line. Id happily pay $20 for this game if it was balanced and well maintained.
@@ColoradoStreaming That's some wishful thinking considering this game's supposed balance has been going downhill ever since British BBs. I still have PTSD from HE-flinging Conquerors that were immune to deletion unless you could nail them with 5 torps at once.
@@SoldierOfFate The game is past the point of no return in that regard for sure. From the start they should have made the game subscription based for like $10 a month so they can make money of players playing and keep the game balanced. The problem with Free to Play is management sees the total dev and operating costs and tells the game design team to add X ships and make them powerful enough to get Y players to pay for them to cover the costs. This means these ships will always be OP and the game will be permanently broken. Eventually the cycle continues and the company caters to the whales with tons of money and little skill and screws over all the other players. This is why I am sure subs are going to suck. WG management knows it cost them say $10,000 to develop subs and the only way to recoup that cost is to sell premium subs for $60 each which means they need 167 people to buy subs. To ensure this, they spec the subs in a way that makes them almost always win to sell them. The other problem is each sub is a one time purchase so they constantly need to come up with new ships and gimmicks to sell which complicates the balance to the point it breaks the game. This is the REAL spreadsheet for CVs...
I don't know, I dev strike those ships so easy on the NA server. They seem to always sink in the first 5 min's of a game when i see them. Maybe if WG made that a 6 min cool down on the reload buff? Great Video. I don't use that dead eye except on the Hizen. its a squishy ship. Rock on
The stupidest thing about this game is that WG seems to be addicted to gamey, gimmicky, stupid mechanics that have ZERO basis in reality but fill some sort of game niche in WGs mind. For example, they might start by deciding "Hey, let's give some sort of ship a burst fire machine gun mode, wouldn't that be cool !". They then create the mechanic - a boring mundane ship with very ordinary ROF until god mode is engaged, create a limiting factor (unlimited charges but 2 minute cooldown) and then create a whole new ship out of thin air (USS Austin). They release the ship in broken form, let the CCs and press account players get everyone excited, release it for cash, then wait 6 months before slowly but quietly nerfing it into the ground. Rinse and repeat, forever. As a guy who played WOT for around 3-4 years solid up until around 2016 this is the most infuriating part for me - there is ZERO basis in reality for any of this. I mean seriously, can you imagine how any of this could have been implemented in reality ? What - half a dozen rounds and bagged charges placed on hand around the turret ? A six round revolver style magazine ? A magazine feed system ? None of this makes sense and none of them would allow a 5 inch gun of the circa 1950s fire at 30-40 rounds per minute. I am long done with this game (and WOT) but again I love the graphics and sound, it's pity that they wasted such amazing work on such a shit game.
Large caliber HE loves the Austin... yeah, if they are unspotted they do way to much damage way to quick especialy to bottom tier ships, but their guns and tubes are made of glass, last 2 I shot lost 3 offensive armament per salvo.. one of them by salvo two had permanently lost 2 rear turrets and the third was disabled.
Honstly the most OP thing about this ship is the 32mm side plating, THE ONLY HEAVY CRUISERS WITH THAT KINDA OF PLATING ARE RUSSIAN! everything else has like 27 to 30. Still perfectly balanced ship, cus if you dont take a shell on the side plateing BOOM cideled. Edit note: Atlanta hull, DD hunter, with that reload boost, Cruiser killer, only real weakness is battleships EXCEPT you if you know how to use side plating you can TAKE a hell of chunk out of them before dying. (unless its a Yamato class)
but if you angle that plate, you shows the 16mm stern/bow/deck to the enemy asking to get nuked cause lower hp than Smolensk without smoke is surely fun
People dont know how to handle this ship yet, its new for them. all that brindisi had to do is bow on you until MBRB runs out and then kick your ass. Plus, a DM would have done better in every situation.
Grezzo used to be a lot on Flamu's Discord talking shit so we decided to have fun with him over there and staged some 1 v 1s against that guy as he was boasting he could take us all on. You already know how those 1 v 1s went, in fact I recorded them on my account lol. Grezzo has 0 knowledge about the game and he's always blamed everything other than himself. I also have some hilarious quotes of his saved from the Discord, including all the ships he thought were OP lmfao. It's actually sad to see he STILL didn't learn anything even though we explained everything to him thoroughly and clapped him in duels.
The funniest thing to do in the chat is go to all chat at the beginning of a match and say something like, "Sounds good, im going to sneak up past D and chill in their backfield for a few min then ambush their CV" You get a bunch of responses on the stupid Noob but then you watch at least on CL prowl around back there looking for a DD that doenst exist.
It makes me sad that every second game I see has people criticizing me and backseat gaming and calling me names like the guys in this chat. CVs or OP ships or Deadeye aren't the biggest problem this game has, it's the community.
game is so balanced, that i lost 10 games in a row with my moskva while my team always died in the first 5 minutes. after that i could tick a pole which asked me, how happy have you been with your last game, but the fuck you WG button was missing.
WG doesn't know how to leave well enough alone. I just uninstalled WOT and have been playing since it came out, it just stopped being fun playing any classic tank that hasn't received power creeping "balance" adjustments. I'm waiting for the same to happen with WOWs sadly. Until then I still enjoy it and really like the fact that you can compliment both sides. Also, Austin lol.
I try really hard to bring the italian reputation up by playing well and speaking in chat to a minimum, but guys like him really destroys what me and other polite italian players are trying to build. Also imo, someone with his stats has no right whatsoever to complain to other players.
@@micheledallalba8950 There are good and bad players from all cultures and ethnicities. Alcoholic whiners/losers/backseat players (unfortunately) come from all walks of life.
It's not broken, wait until the leaderboards start to get updated. You'll have 2 spectrums. Unicums, and those who get deleted with Red PR. The boat isn't braindead like Thunderer, TOTALLY different realms.
well the problem isnt that the ship ISNT broken because of the average player, the problem is when the ship is used effectively theres almost no counter unless youre already lookin in the direction it is located in, cause itll delete 60k+ HP Vessels like Moskva and Jean Bart simply due to how potent the SAP Alpha is and how many shells you can lob in 15 seconds
@@diabolicespurr You want counter? Watch the minimap, simple. Austin has no smoke nor radar so she don't really surprise you. And thanks to the ship's wet paper survivability, you can blap it out of existence quite easily. Remember that Flambass is a great player that he can make everything looks OP
@@danh7411 Duude, there is a clip when MOINES is PREPARED with his guns turned in the right direction (but yes, he's angled against other threat) - and he is DEAD from full HP before he manages to shoot the second salvo. Moines, the ultimate fast shooting thing - in previous, long gone, WoWs, of course. This is not fighter plane dogfight - these are slow warships and you simply cannot introduce ship which can appear and drop you down in 10 seconds. Yet this is what stupid WG are doing - Yolo Emilio, RBustin. This is different from being ambushed by a battleship, for example - he can one-shot you of course, but he also can miss and be defenseless for next 25-35 seconds himself. Yolo or Austin will certainly kill you and you have zero defense against it.
might as well give us a destroyer with the french thingy and 33k hp as well as 4 sets of 5 (2 per side) and guns with a reload to blot out the sun but you can't set fires
I got one of those WoW surveys just recently. And I answered truthfully their is Zero chance I would ever recommend this game to anyone else. I've put too much time into it myself to simply walk away so I play here and there for a little entertainment. But as I added to the comments, they keep offering more and more OP ships that unbalance the game, offering more and more only for players with $$$, and they quite simply refuse to listen to the player base on balancing the game and making it more enjoyable. Everything they do is done purely to see if they can squeeze more money out of the existing players, the captains rework destroyed game play, and they still talk to the side about bringing in subs which over a year ago were shown to be utter crap and totally destroying to the game. They simply REFUSE to see what is right in front of them and I would never recommend anyone start this game at this point as they will never get enjoyment out of it like I used to get three+ years ago.
At least they finally put a survey out on the captain rework as of last night. Hopefully they are seeing the backlash and the spreadsheets are not panning out and might listen.
I respect your opinion, but I see austin in gold ranked often enough. It doesn't look so op vs decent opponents. It is better than colbert (which is pretty much bad in ranked), but not better than smolensk. I feel like this is situational ship. In random without cv on certain maps and situations it looks op.
WG are busy with ban certain "salty" player from the CC community and dont have time to test what they launch...Lucky for WG WarThunder ships are not competition.
