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During the Little League World Series' Italy vs Australia elimination game, an apparent triple play turned into a foul ball, confirmed via Replay Review, but we ask what if the ball had been actually fair? Article: www.closecallsports.com/2022/...
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This scenario begins with none out and the bases loaded. Italy's batter hits a fly ball on the infield and along the foul line between home plate and first base. Although the real-life play resulted in a foul ball as the Australia fielder first touched the ball in foul territory, we wonder what would have happened had the ball remained in fair territory and was fielded as a fair ball.
First and foremost, with none out and the bases loaded, it is important to be aware that this is a potential infield fly situation. Infield fly situations occur when there are less than two outs (there were none) and there are runners on first and second base or the bases are loaded (the bases were loaded). An infield fly occurs when the batter hits a fair fly ball which is not a line drive nor a bunt that can be caught by an infielder (including the pitcher) using ordinary effort. Even if the ball is dropped or falls to the ground untouched, as long as it is a fair fly ball, it is an infield fly and the batter is out.
The batter being declared out via the infield fly removes all force plays, since the batter's erasure means that no preceding runners are forced to advance-they can legally remain on the bases they occupied at time-of-pitch. Or they can choose to run anyway, but if they do so, they are liable to be put out via a tag while off-base. If the defense tags their next base, that becomes meaningless because the force is removed: the defense must tag the runner while off-base in order to record an additional out.
Back to the real-life play, one confounding variable is the interaction between the first baseman and the runner who begins the play on first base. They appear to make contact while the batted ball is in flight. If the umpire rules that the first baseman is the fielder entitled to field the batted ball, then the runner by virtue of impeding the fielder while the runner is not touching their base, is guilty of interference.
Interference during an infield fly always results in the interfering runner being declared out. However, whether the batter too is out depends solely on whether the batted ball is fair or foul. The rule states that play is kept alive only so long as to determine whether the ball is fair or foul. Once the umpire determines fair/foul, the ball becomes dead immediately and penalties are imposed as follows:
If fair, the interfering runner AND the batter are out (double play).
If foul, the interfering runner is out and a foul ball is called (batter returns to bat with a foul ball charged).

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@bmaze35640
@bmaze35640 Месяц назад
Thanks for the explanation. Commenters on another video of the same play kept claiming that the ball was fair even though it was fielded in foul territory. It’s good to know that they reviewed it and reversed the call.
@michaelmack9376
@michaelmack9376 Год назад
You can see U1 pointing foul across his chest to the home plate umpire. Its PUs call, but U1 clearly knew it was foul. U1 could have called interference, although there's an argument to be made that the pitcher had the best opportunity at the ball and should have been the protected fielder.
@alanhess9306
@alanhess9306 3 месяца назад
The plate umpire should have immediately called it foul.
@PlatinumHowler
@PlatinumHowler Год назад
You can count on the LLWS to provide you with some quality, brain-teasing content
@kanklebreaker
@kanklebreaker Год назад
I had this game on live with no sound and saw this play and was very confused as it seemed foul and a very simple play. Not taking into consideration the possibility of an infield fly rule. Considering the complexity of this and the fact these umps are volunteers, i commend them for letting it play out but ultimately grtting the call correct.
@rayray4192
@rayray4192 Год назад
If the plate umpire calls the ball foul none of he circus happens.
@kampoc4802
@kampoc4802 Год назад
You said they called it fair live, but actual they didn't signal either fair/foul live at all,. I do think U1 starts to signals IF fly rule (2:05-2:06) and after it lands UH def signals IF fly (2:09). Nice breakdown though of the 'what if'. chaos. Now, (ignoring the possible interference just to play out other scenario), if it was fair and infield fly was NOT called, and maybe it shouldn't be called here because the rule is "can be caught by an infielder with ordinary effort" and I'm not sure 1B or P get to that ball, the defense still gets triple play but not until the final tag at 3b. Force would apply everywhere so R3 out at H on force, tag of R3 meaningless. Throw to second they force out R1. R2 is hanging around second base and then runs to third where he's finally tagged out. CRAZY!
@bluebird9903
@bluebird9903 Год назад
Lindsay, thanks a lot. I'm completely mind blown from this play. 🤯🤣⚾️
@michaelfalkner1186
@michaelfalkner1186 Год назад
But here's the problem: As you say at 2:07, Interference SHOULD apply here, and then your rule at 2:37 should apply. One out, runners 2nd and 3rd, batter is still at the plate.
@visarr
@visarr Год назад
I agree. But let's assume R1 didn't interfere, did the batter interfere? I'm not sure of the rules here.
@michaelfalkner1186
@michaelfalkner1186 Год назад
@@visarr It's clear to me that R1 interfered -- I'm not so sure, with the batter and runner running to avoid each other that the batter interfered UNLESS you rule the fielder was going to catch a ball ruled fair.
@jonpinyan
@jonpinyan Год назад
What is the last line of text in that box at 2:50? The text box moves behind the twitter-handle banner while text is still getting typed out.
@ieatoutoften872
@ieatoutoften872 Год назад
Would hope on that high fly ball that either the home plate umpire (preferred) or the 1st base umpire yelled "Infield fly if fair!" ---- Since the ball was touched after it bounced in foul territory between home plate and 1st base. It is a foul ball, and a dead ball. Nobody is out. The runners return to where they came from. If the batter had less than 2 strikes before the foul ball, then the better gets a strike. I am responding as if there was no interference by the runner at 1st base at the start of the play.
@auzmo
@auzmo Год назад
What about if it was called infield fly and the interference was called - doesnt that make the play dead and the ball landed fair. Double play? Or is it not dead until touched or past the base? It also appeared they didnt call infield fly at all as the umpires were calling force outs. Either way they definitely missed the intereference.
@simeonwildman788
@simeonwildman788 Год назад
I'm not a huge baseball fan, but I am a lawyer. And fwiw, I find your videos and explanations Just Fascinating! Thank you for you analysis!
@ag7898
@ag7898 Год назад
Then you would really enjoy looking through the baseball rule book. It is written and organized like a legal book.
@critter2
@critter2 Год назад
so a softball touarment i was doing and i think it was last game and hot weekend where they lower the time and run limit for 12u and up. i had ball fall before first base right infeild and not touch till foul. i called foul. than i ask my parnter i got right cause for some reason i thought i was seeing things. so it was correct call as no one touch it and it didn't pass first base. till it was foul.
@1NobleGiant
@1NobleGiant Год назад
U1 was mimicking the HP's infield fly call and probably didn't notice the contact at 1st.
@thomasboyd6242
@thomasboyd6242 Год назад
His job is to watch the players at first, not the ball. The ball is the plate umpire’s call. Base umpires should be watching players at their responsible base! That said they are volunteers.
@ericwildfong
@ericwildfong Год назад
@HawksWin According to the Little League tournament rules, the umpires ARE volunteers. Regardless, what makes you think they don't know the rules?
@ericwildfong
@ericwildfong Год назад
If you watch the replay where Lindsay talks about the interference you can see U1 signalled before PU but they got the call right in the end
@alanhess9306
@alanhess9306 3 месяца назад
@@ericwildfong The plate umpire should have called it foul in the beginning. I know there are bad umpires everywhere but I watch the LL world series and have seen some ridiculously bad calls by these volunteers.
@Mattywill29
@Mattywill29 Год назад
If the runner at first impeded the first baseman from fielding the ball until after it was foul, does that effect the fair foul call? I am curious because I don't know.
@alanhess9306
@alanhess9306 3 месяца назад
No, it does not affect the fair or foul call.
@beyondthepale9071
@beyondthepale9071 Год назад
There is is no confusion - it's not complicated and there is nothing crazy - if you know baseball. It's an infield fly situation but in this case, even if it is fair, it is not an infield fly CALL - it has to be a ball easily caught in the judgment of the umpire. No umpire would call that ball easily catchable. No, no interference, the umpire made good judgment. 1B would never have caught that ball. Simple, no complication, no drama necessary. Rules are not hard.
@dean_604
@dean_604 Год назад
Apparently rules are hard for you though...If you don't think that was interference that is poor judgement on your part. Also, if you don't think the 1st baseman could have made a play on that ball that is poor judgement as well. No intent is required when calling interference, if an offensive player interferes with a fielder attempting to make a play on the ball interference must be called.
@beyondthepale9071
@beyondthepale9071 Год назад
@@dean_604 lmfao - nobody said anything about intent - poor puppy. I don't care what you think about my judgment - I can say yours is poor - whoopie. And finally >> if an offensive player interferes with a fielder attempting to make a play on the ball interference must be called.
@hankgandy5902
@hankgandy5902 Год назад
Good point Beyond, it's not difficult. It seems like lots of drama for clicks maybe. Not everyone understands baseball.
@333jeep
@333jeep Год назад
@@dean_604 BeyondThePale made a great comment. He was correct. The first baseman was thought to be interfered with, HOWEVER, the pitcher had already "called" for the catch. He didn't catch the ball. The 1st baseman is NOT "protected", the pitcher was. Hence there is NO interference at 1st base. In this case it is just a foul ball, all runners return to their bases and the batter continues at the plate.
@donh6416
@donh6416 Год назад
Remember that "ordinary effort" is also part of the infield fly rule. What may be ordinary effort @ MLB, College or HS may not be ordinary at the LL level. The area where us fly ball is falls into a questionable "ordinary effort" grey area which requires the umpire(s) to think.
@kimkerchner2032
@kimkerchner2032 Год назад
Still confused. If the ball was touched by the fielder standing in foul territory was ruled foul, what would the ruling be if he was standing in foul territory and the ball had not crossed the foul line and was still on the fair side of the field?
@callen4187
@callen4187 Год назад
Fair. Before passing 1B or 3B, fair/foul is judged by where the ball is when touched, not where the fielder is standing
@kimkerchner2032
@kimkerchner2032 Год назад
@@callen4187 Thanks for the answer. That makes total sense. This was a very complicated play with all the dynamics going on. Had the ball been fair it would have been more complicated, due to the infield fly rule, interference, and everything else.
@jameshickam1787
@jameshickam1787 Год назад
However, INT on R1 (runner on 1b) wasn't called. which should have killed the entire play prior to Infield Fly being called,
@alanhess9306
@alanhess9306 3 месяца назад
There could be an infield fly call and interference called for a double play.
@richpaul6806
@richpaul6806 Год назад
I would say the batter impeded 1B as well. He had to go around him and could not get to the ball on the fly.
@stevehamman4465
@stevehamman4465 Год назад
I concur, I have it on the batter going to first! Therefore, he would be out on IF. He already being out, interference , dead ball and runner closest to home is out!
@auzmo
@auzmo Год назад
I think he would have for sure if not for the runner interference. With the runner interference the batter interference I could see going either way, but I think youre right. The fielder couldnt go to that spot because the batter was there.
@stevehamman4465
@stevehamman4465 Год назад
@@auzmo , the thing about interference is ,,, its not interference if the play happens as usual. The runner on first can be called for inter, but,, that was to early in the play. WHO WAS PROTECTED?? At that point not the first baseman . But as the play progresses, I would have protected the first baseman. Therefore, IFR , batter out !! Interference by , a offense player! Runner closest to home is out!
@stevehamman4465
@stevehamman4465 Год назад
@@auzmo if trying to score at the plate
@auzmo
@auzmo Год назад
@@stevehamman4465 i got you. Part of my point is that the batter-interference isnt as obvious as the R1 runner interference - that one definitely affected the play and I think youre correct that the first baseman should have been the protected fielder. Im not saying it was not batter interference but it is more debatable, just based on the distance the 1st baseman was from the ball/batter at the point it landed. But the ball landed basically right where the batter was and the first baseman cant be there too or else there is a collision. So he was affected or at least I err on the side that he was affected on this play. Ultimately I agree with you, just that portion is very debatable.
@truthillinois6397
@truthillinois6397 Год назад
What ifs don’t matter. It was obvious though not one umpire saw the interference at first base.
@critter2
@critter2 9 месяцев назад
Maybe cause 1. Volunteer and 2. Maybe they protected pitcher instead
@MaydayAggro
@MaydayAggro Год назад
I want to know how pu missed the foul ball. Fair foul is his first responsibility here and it's feet from him. And u1 should have called the int.
@cameronschmit6472
@cameronschmit6472 Год назад
I like how Australia acts like it was a galaxy-brained move to let the ball drop. They simply made an error letting it hit the ground and got lucky. IF it wasn’t foul that is
@alanhess9306
@alanhess9306 3 месяца назад
Sometimes that works when runners don't understand they do not need to advance.
@johnleonard6878
@johnleonard6878 Год назад
Little League needs some dramatic changes to the method how umpires are chosen to officiate these games. The current system is not working on how to evaluate and chose the best umpires. Years of experience, knowledge of the rules, felid mechanics. This is clearly a foul ball, and the plate guy does not point foul or fair, so nobody knows what the call is. Someone needs to go back to see the evaluation on this umpire to determine why he was chosen.
@ericwildfong
@ericwildfong Год назад
@HawksWin Getting the call right is "bad for baseball"?
@johnleonard6878
@johnleonard6878 Год назад
@HawksWin 300K really? Non-profit for everyone else
@ericwildfong
@ericwildfong Год назад
9 times out of 10 you're not going to be staring at the umpire waiting for them to point, you're going to play on until you hear the ump calling "foul". Also, the foul mechanic is hands up like "Time" but with "Foul" vocalized instead, not pointing foul. The only time there's going to be pointing foul is when there's also going to be a catch/no catch decision. Fair/Foul must be ruled on BEFORE catch/no catch which is why the pointing, but that's usually in the outfield as outfield fair/foul is based on where it lands not is touched. In the end the crew got the call right, is that not what you want?
@ericwildfong
@ericwildfong Год назад
@HawksWin if you’re referring to the other video, yeah that one was wrong. But I fail to see your point here. There was an infield fly signal by U1 and then PU. Any Ump can call infield fly. They didn’t need the video replay to correct the fair into foul call. Also infield fly doesn’t kill the play, if it’s fair, only removes the force.
@ericwildfong
@ericwildfong Год назад
@HawksWin I did read it, what’s your point?
@joebocci4427
@joebocci4427 Год назад
Not trying to play arm chair quarterback here, and the view from the cameras are different from those standing on the field. With this said we know the fair/foul responsibly is with U1, and given what I observed, he couldn’t clearly see it was touched foul ? Thereby negating all the confusion afterwards ?
@duelist301
@duelist301 Год назад
It would be the pu call since it's before the base.
@critter2
@critter2 Год назад
u1 ususally will take it from first base acutally so that still be plate umpire call or should be talk about before game
@joebocci4427
@joebocci4427 Год назад
Yeah U1 is the plate guy he has all calls including fair/ foul up to and before 1B
@alanhess9306
@alanhess9306 3 месяца назад
@@joebocci4427U1 is the first base umpire. The plate umpire is referred to as the "plate umpire".
@ronpeacock9939
@ronpeacock9939 Год назад
Wow.. Just goes to show what I've seen many times... often the bigger kids are easier to officiate... for some reason, these little kids will often get things in the most complicated scenarios I"ve ever scene... The smaller diamond just seems to draw them... I do know often it's because the little kids won't behave as expected.. but in this case, that was NOT the case... just the scene the created the complexity...
@michaelfalkner1186
@michaelfalkner1186 Год назад
And as far as the second potential interference, you would have to rule he would catch that ball as a fair ball. At that point, the second IF is irrelevant, the batter is already out if the ball is fair from the FIRST interference by the same rule at 2:37. So, this time, the volunteers DID get it wrong, the question is how many outs?
@auzmo
@auzmo Год назад
Thats why i was thinking. Im thinking double play
@michaelfalkner1186
@michaelfalkner1186 Год назад
@@auzmo You'd need to rule the second IF to do that, however. At that point, silly as the rule is, that IF then becomes irrelevant
@auzmo
@auzmo Год назад
@@michaelfalkner1186 oh ok i wasnt sure how the first interference affected a potential infield fly that could have been caught fair if not for the interference. Im not sure they both have to be interference since the ball landed fair and the first interference kept him from getting it. But I guess you are saying for there to be a double play? A single interference is a single out despite the runner being the interference and it being an infield fly?
@auzmo
@auzmo Год назад
@@michaelfalkner1186 the fair foul part complicates the explaination a lot. It reminds me a lot of that Utah high school softball play though. Have you seen that one?
@michaelfalkner1186
@michaelfalkner1186 Год назад
@@auzmo The umpire called it foul specifically because the player was in foul territory completely. If the call of Infield Fly had been made, he could've let it drop, and then the IF would've given two outs. The thing is, since the ball was called foul, there can be only the one out for IF. If you're claiming the second IF, the only way you could do that is to actually go and state he would've caught it in fair territory if not for the second IF -- but, at that point, the second IF is then irrelevant, as the first IF, with the ball ruled fair, means two outs anyway.
@Roufus2
@Roufus2 Месяц назад
Someone tell me where the foul ball was I just don’t see it
@vonskyme9133
@vonskyme9133 Месяц назад
At the time first base touches the ball, at his left hip, it's about a foot past the foul line.
@fifiwoof1969
@fifiwoof1969 Год назад
Is it the same for MLB?
@alanhess9306
@alanhess9306 3 месяца назад
Yes.
@HB-fg8ne
@HB-fg8ne Год назад
The ball was foul and so no infield fly call. This was a simple call to make. It was a foul ball, let's get to the next pitch.
@SmilingJumboShrimp
@SmilingJumboShrimp Год назад
Was fair
@chesterthompson6835
@chesterthompson6835 Год назад
@@SmilingJumboShrimp ah no.
@HB-fg8ne
@HB-fg8ne Год назад
@@SmilingJumboShrimp Foul ball. Before the ball passes first base, fair or foul is determined by where it is first touched. Past first base fair or foul is determined by where the ball first hits the ground. The same applies to the third base line.
@umpireva5440
@umpireva5440 Год назад
Umpires messed that one up. Missed the interference at first. Missed the foul call. INFIELD FLY IF FAIR, it's that simple guys.🙄 Little League has to do something about these umpires.
@critter2
@critter2 Год назад
that home plate call and first base should of called it home plate isn't in this case. there voulnteer umpires i would give it a bit of rest they got most of the call correct
@umpireva5440
@umpireva5440 Год назад
@@critter2 these crews have made multiple BAD calls that average high school umpires would NOT miss. These kids deserve better.
@jessefagan4102
@jessefagan4102 Год назад
They are always hiring.
@umpireva5440
@umpireva5440 Год назад
@@jessefagan4102 I already work D2 and D3. I get PAID
@jessefagan4102
@jessefagan4102 Год назад
@@umpireva5440 Ask your D2 and D3 assignors how they feel about you bashing LL umpires on RU-vid.
@Mike300Smith
@Mike300Smith Год назад
Not to discredit the on-field umpires, but all are volunteers and are probably used to working alone or with a single partner. I remember the minimal times I had even one partner, I felt like a pig in slop. Just hope mechanics are consistent…
@jeffreyramsdell4781
@jeffreyramsdell4781 Год назад
This shouldn’t even be an infield fly
@FactsMatter
@FactsMatter Год назад
After review, it is determined that these umpires had no clue what was going on while the play was going on. Good thing they got together. And U1 still missed clear interference in front of his face. 15 yard penalty. First down.
@Mike300Smith
@Mike300Smith Год назад
After further review, It’s not a triple play, or even a double play. Call R1 out for interference, R2 and R3 go back to their bases, and the batter goes back to the plate. It’s a foul ball! It’s only an infield fly if it’s a fair ball. You get what you (don’t) pay for, but I’ll take my lumps here.
@stevehamman4465
@stevehamman4465 Год назад
So you in your great wisdom of the game and rule book , don't see any interference on this play??
@stevehamman4465
@stevehamman4465 Год назад
I see it twice. One the runner on first , and the batter runner going to first! Now things change!
@Mike300Smith
@Mike300Smith Год назад
@@stevehamman4465 Consider my lumps as being taken. I amended my comment accordingly.
@sanchez3229able
@sanchez3229able Год назад
Its a foul ball, at best the batter would be out since there was bases loaded and less than 2 outs. In field fly would be in effect, you can clearly see the home plate ump point up declaring infield fly rule. It is only interference if the runners interfere with the play, if the infielder were to run into them they would be out. Got to teach these boys to run into the base runners to get an out.
@Mike300Smith
@Mike300Smith Год назад
@@sanchez3229able But the infield fly does not apply on a foul ball.
@MwD676
@MwD676 10 месяцев назад
Absolutely no way to get infield fly + interference. The potential infield fly would be to the pitcher. The interfered player was 1st baseman. So, you could have one or other, but not both. (All for naught since it ends up being foul.) It is pretty cool that the defense recorded 4 outs before having them all negated.
@paulalstrom4144
@paulalstrom4144 Год назад
Just to be clear, these "volunteer" umpires are skilled in their craft. They have many years of experience and knowledge in this game. If you are selected and invited to participate in the LLWS, it is understood that you will be unpaid for your services. For many umpires this is a privilege and an opportunity. The ladies and gentlemen that officiate these games are very good at what they do. Of course you could argue certain calls, but that does not negate their qualifications. Great job by this crew in this video.
@rayray4192
@rayray4192 Год назад
Keep on supporting a volunteer umpire system that is a miserable failure. Little League post season is spoiled every year by incompetent umpires.
@paulalstrom4144
@paulalstrom4144 Год назад
@@rayray4192 eh...
@paulalstrom4144
@paulalstrom4144 Год назад
@@rayray4192 you seem to know a lot about this problem. How about you be a part of the solution and go out there and learn how to umpire. Force these guys out of business by taking their place.
@rayray4192
@rayray4192 Год назад
@@paulalstrom4144 I umpire seven days per week. There is a serious umpire shortage across America. You are making assumptions about people you do not know.
@paulalstrom4144
@paulalstrom4144 Год назад
@@rayray4192 I have bern sufficiently humbled....I guess.
@richanderson6298
@richanderson6298 Год назад
Why is a ball that lands in fair territory a foul ball?? Can't figure it out! And have been watching baseball for 44 years
@TheRealMrMoonlight
@TheRealMrMoonlight Год назад
Because it bounced foul and was touched by a fielder in foul territory before passing first or third base...in this case, first base. A batted ball untouched by a fielder must come to a stop in fair territory or be in fair territory when passing first or third in order to be called a fair ball. If a ball is first touched by a fielder in or over fair territory within the infield, it is always a fair ball. In this case, the ball bounced foul and clearly contacted the first baseman in foul territory. The foul call was correct.
@richanderson6298
@richanderson6298 Год назад
@@TheRealMrMoonlight Thank you for expounding (I never knew it) It's more education than the espn broadcasters give
@franktank9511
@franktank9511 Год назад
dude, coach, grow up man and stop chest bumping your own players
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