@@Martin-jm8wi I think making a semi-shitty game can give a good start to the devs whenever they begin the development, so that the negative feedbacks or the criticisms from the test players would actually help the developers to point out some flaws and fix/revolutionize the system as synergistically as possible. Though, it depends on the developer’s attitude whenever they can take it as granted or not. Yoshi-P is the greatest example for this phenomenon. It’s also common to most indie developers.
@@whitesenpai7688 Has FF14 made more money than WoW? What I'm saying is, we might live in a word where bad games like WoW make more money than good games like FF14
Just because a game is old does not mean it's bad. Much like movies, there are yearly releases which are shit. And there are gems among them that are pretty much time less classics. Not because of nostalgia, but because of gameplay or design.
@@freeze1305 it's not about being too old, its about loterally not having time. Working all day and only having like 5 hours at night to cook, eat, relax, game etc.
Try the 4X genre. It's much more respectful of your time in my experience. 5000 hours sunk into the genre and don't regret a bit of it. In fact I'm shooting for 8000 next.
Ahhh see, I'm at the other end of that spectrum. My life's winding down, kids are grown.. Self employed with a great schedule, . . . For me I'm getting excited. I missed all the wow hype because of that exact situation. No time
@@torchlight3173 "I see all these people playing ff14 and loving it, but they don't realize it's just WoW with a different coat of paint" There's no use telling FF stans that, they think their game is the greatest thing under the sun despite having no good pvp and a boring story you have to crawl through for 200 hours to get to the "good part" The game was literally so bad that they had to erase an earlier version of it. It's a weeb's lesser WoW for them to erp in at this point. It's literally all they do, too.
I wouldn't say WoW solved the formula for many years. They had like 80% of it down between vanilla and Wrath, then moved further and further away from it with future expansions. What kept them going dominantly for so long was momentum and the player numbers, the general community, and of course the brilliant world/IP. But they continually destroyed each of these things more and more until today
I remember when I was about 7-8 years old, I was at my local library and I walked into their computer lab where they had about 20 computers hooked up to the internet and almost ever person at a computer was playing RuneScape. All I remember is talking with a guy who was showing me his character and his character was using a whip as a weapon that I think was red and white.
@@ub3rfr3nzy94 Probably what it was. My memory is a bit hazy. Only other memory I have from playing as a dumb 8 yr old was how I made my character a female, and one of the players in the library said how he hates when guys play as female characters. I lied and said the character creation glitched so I couldn't see the character I was making. He then brought me to a place in the game where I could change my gender and be male 😒
@@cattysplat definetly, mmo's are the opposite of battle royals. When you are tired of fighting everyone, you just move on to playing together with everyone.
@@3lit3gn0m3 I don't know, the topic has been discussed to death already and I'm not even convinced there is a renaissance. FF14 is not a new game at all, New World is just Amazon game Studios throwing a shot at every genre possible (and being the only one that seems like it's gonna stick), Bless Unleashed is the 10th release of the same game, Lost Ark has been around for nearly a decade... Ashes of Creation is the only game coming out that is bringing any sort of innovation to the table and that's what, 5 years away from release? Same with Diablo 4 which is going have MMO elements? So what the fuck are they supposed to talk about, a bunch of old games being released in new regions, growing in popularity after years on the market or the 15th release of the same game? Sure, that's enough content for a 10 minute video but hardly an actual renaissance.
MMO come from the table top D&D games of yesterday . Those games made experiences you shared with friends that lasted a lifetime . Those experiences had nothing to do with meta mechanics and everything to do with the choices good and bad , and the shared glory and consequences . MMOs have a long way to go , they will get there one day .
True. EOC was such a bad idea, I quit when it was released because the game changed way too much. I think modern Runescape has a completely new generation of people playing it.
I noticed that Josh holds the mug but never drinks or takes a sip and now I can't unsee it. It's always like he is doing a promotional spot for the mug XD
@@zym6687 when it was quite hot in the UK he did hold his mug filled with ice to take sips out off. Can be an anomaly or he generally has something not hot in the mug, which would help when doing multiple takes (the drink not getting cold etc). I have no idea if he talked about it on his streams, but I can imagine he did.
If you look at all the MMORPGs that are still up there, I feel like they are fueled purely by the die hard fans of that game's franchise. FFXIV, WoW, SWTOR, ESO, and GW2 all had previous IPs to entice people to flock to those games and not leave. LoL's MMORPG will be the same. MTG said they were coming out with a MMORPG, but it came out more like Diablo 3 instead and they changed the genre to whatever Diablo 3's is. But I feel if WotC was actually serious about a MMORPG in the MTG universe, they'd have so much content for over a decade based on how vast their world is. They have the money.
Yes the original playerbase is usually the core for them. We aren't really people who will leave for another MMO. The only way I would leave ESO is for TES VI. And even then I don't actually plan to leave entirely ESO.
MMOs wouldn't be nearly as popular now if no one ever made an equivalent to OSRS and Classic WoW. These weren't just "good MMOs", these were standout achievements. Lightning in a bottle. Their design wasn't just "good". It was phenomenal. I cannot stress enough how special these games are and how much inherent creativity they have. Newer games can look as pretty as they want; they'll never capture what these MMOs had without devs of the same mindset. "Cut and paste" and "formula" has both everything and nothing to do with their success - every little bit of these games is the same tier of masterpiece. While post-raid endgame in later phases is debatable, that is not even 5% of the game's content to the average player when the games originally came out. Most players did not do the same exact thing every week and didn't pay for gold or levels nearly as often; in other words, they constantly immersed themselves in the original game as intended and had a blast. That is not something one can do in just any MMO.
@derp derpin True, they had a game any idiot could play at a time the internet was exploding in popularity and then they had a half decent TV advert (compared to the just plain embarrassing ones most games had at the time) the marketing team knew what they were doing but there was nothing original about the game at all, all the pieces were already there, they just glued them together and put some polish on it.
Knowing riot, it will obviously be free with metric fuckton of mtx. Happened to Valorant too if im not mistaken. Credit where it's due, Riot knows what the trend among commoners are, mishmash it and then add their own spin.
the real comeback will happen when real good MMOS (wow or ff or whatever big titles) gets released and your gold is real crypto and items are NFT's, you can sell on the marketplace. When that day comes, watch the world burn.
They messed the spirit of the game real bad with Abyssea. FF11's cataclysm of sorts. FFXI is still very good, but it pales on how it was around the 2005-2009 golden era. this game was built around partying for leveling and hard quests... a shame they dropped that concept... However If you hate partying with other players (or lacks RL time to do so), the current version offers both the old content and newer content, and there's still an end-game of sorts. Takes a while to get into it... very steep learning curve.
Good points but i feel he is rose-tinting himself abit. Growing? Or just shifting? I remember numbers around 10 Million people playing WoW at its peak, thats a far cry from what we have now. MMOs are never going to attract enough new players again when they can get the same addiction from a phonegame with less hassle or players demanding the more instant gratification bred by "modern" gamedesign
i think SWG was ahead of its time in some ways. With the way professions/classes were designed it gavea lot of people unique reasons to play the game. I had friends who i played with that were solely dedicated to being doctors, politicians etc and did very little adventuring but all hung out in cantinas or guild halls to just socialize. And they loved it. They took their role seriously and went about their taks of buffing people or improving player cities while the rest of us were out adventuring. FF14 does something similiar in giving players other things to engage with outside of the core gameplay loop and shallow collectible grinds.
rnadom talk: has anyone told zack to checkout the ff14 1.0 cutscenes and main questline? either watch on stream or off stream but mainly for him to see on the ups and downs of the previous engine used.
Josh missed an incredibly important point at the crux of all of this. The meta didn't shift. WoW did. WoW strove more and more away from the proven success into attempts to foist new systems on players that they didn't want, timegate players to force playtime, etcetera. That's why even before the crash, there was a decline, and why other companies started noticing and prepping their own entries. WoW was no longer the meta winner. A combination of incompetent and malicious design had ruined it, and the companies with the money to make MMOs could see that. Players had already started to see it too. Streamers switching and the lawsuit just helped more players to see it faster.
His audience is painfully away from what happened to WoW, it's been hammered into our brains continually over the last 3 months or so. WoW no longer being the meta winner is, by itself, inconsequential (quality was already inevitably suffering due to talent drain at Blizz) and the long-term entrenched player base needed a catalyst to propel them out of their comfortable little community towards other products. FF14 is the main beneficiary of this due to it's long-term co-existance with WoW during the slow decline combined with a marked similarity making it the obvious default choice for WoW refugees, while the current crop of new MMOs on the horizon are greatly differentiated from both WoW and FF14, not because of anything that's happening now, development cycles are far too long for that to be the case, but because that's how you make an impact in a saturated, stagnant market. The big PR pushes behind New World et al. right now is an attempt by their teams to capture detached players and keep them in community-limbo until they can release.
Everquest has a great character progression system, borrowed power is mostly non existent or skippable. Alternate Advancement points are like talent points that you farm, by doing anything that yields exp and gives you a slight power increase that will always be relevant and expanded on, you don't lose your abilities.
Also final fantasy and warcraft have the added bonus of having established well known franchises prior to making an mmo, which made it more inviting and less risky.
Agreed. People underestimate the value of having a decade of advertising prior to release to get people in the door, with good game design to keep them there.
19:30 - no, people are transferring to Faerlina and other big servers because their server is dead. We saw this with the last patch of vanilla classic too.
Wildstar was a gem in the rough - if it had stable servers and better management , the F2P patch took out the insane hardcore parts and just made it a fun yet challenging game. Housing, crafting, Paths, customization, raids, dungeons, Rune sets - all really well done. I made a lesser known guide site and did every bit of content. Sad part is that people left in for the WoD hype too. RIP
i fucking miss wildstar.... constantly finding myself looking for that nostalgia trip and never finding it. im not a mmo player anymore, if wildstar was out i would be.
"Playing the game that shows signs of longevity by having a higher player count so that their efforts aren't wasted" kind of counteracts "people want to play a game until they stop having fun and move onto another one; players want a new game to play"
lol i don’t really like his vids cuz he says the same thing 10 times through the video while occasionally contradicting himself. visuals and presentation are kinda boring too
Champions Online still exists, though it's a shambling corpse compared to City of Heroes' six-feet-under casket, and it's got a horrible endgame community. Still, it's a viable alternative depending on what you're looking for in a superhero game.
@@captaincraftit696 :( they should make a CoH2 that isn't "turn based" combat. that would be LIT!!!! i kno its not turn based but you know what i mean i think with the CoH combat.. idk the word for it
Dc Universe online used to be a great superhero game, till they locked most of the endgame content behind a paywall. Which is a shame because the Blackest Night Raid was easily one of the best in a MMM.
I think that companies can smell the WoW blood in the water and they want to grab that market share. I don't know if there will be a rebirth but there is possibly room for a new king.
there was a Asmongold clip a while back that compared modern MMOs to amusement parks, I think its pretty accurate, and also why people dont care about MMOs. this idea that a revival is happening is bullshit. MMOs are dead to the wider public, the MMO players are just finding decent acceptable new games to throw their money at. WoW was a world wide phenomenom, people played it, enjoyed it, realized what it was, will never go back. I hope people who like the new MMOs have fun, but the small idiotic window of relevancy is over, till they can ADVANCE the framework of gameplay. *another reason i think Asmon is correct about WoW 2.0, it needs a new INSANELY STRONGER ENGINE and better servers the holy trinity has ruined invention, the concept of server lag has limited the size of engagements, the CONCEPT of a giant brain dead mob that shits out attacks and its called a boss cause it has MILLIONS of hp.... yeah. MOST people dont want any part of that garbage. MMO players love it though
Lost Ark is top 3 in Korea rn, people will pick up any game as long as its good. MMOs are definitely having somewhat of a resurgence, at least a minor one
i really do think that its just a bland side-effect of 1) Covid, people being at home and 2) MMOs are in the hype right now, just because there is so much upcoming MMO-stuff compared to other games. Especially with the battle royale-hype gone, there currently is a small "void" waiting for the next big thing. My prediction is that MMOs will be actually super dead in 2 years. New World will not live on in its hype, and if this happens, Amazon will probably drop it when they cant make any more money off it. Ashes of Creation will launch the 13th Alpha version, and WoW will probably be "dead". (I think at some point Blizzard will just try to completely rebrand the warcraft-games into something completely different to make profit. (which would probably be the right decision). FF14 will probably still do well, but not with the hype-power it has right now. Itll be alright. (These are all predictions of course, but i don't get the current thought of "revival" at all, since its just around people leaving the former big player to the next big player, and other companies pumping out "Alphas/Betas"
Yeah, this video, Asmon, chat, and most of the comments missed the elephant in the room. Probably because they all are too deep in the MMO hole that they're having trouble seeing things outside of MMOs.
Anarchy Online was actually so ahead of the curve. Even by todays standards some of the systems in the game were great (and very hardcore). Remember twinking low level alts and just ganking the shit out of the whole server 😂
Played it at launch, truly immersed me.. my favorite MMO to this day with Asherons Call 2, and I have played too many since then.. New World is renewing my hope for the next one to keep me interested..
I beta tested Pirates of the Caribbean online. I played it a little bit, didn't like it and went back to WoW hehe. Wildstar was such a joke. I remember following this youtube channel that was covering SWTOR right before that came out in 2011, it's sort of like Preach was for WoW, a channel that talked about SWTOR stuff and then in 2013 they announced they were leaving SWTOR to join this Wildstar team and they were gonna become an official wildstar caster or some shit and I was like.. "fine, I'm out of here, not gonna play that game". and then Wildstar died and SWTOR is still alive and kicking. to be fair, it's been 7 years or so, I don't remember the name of their channel. it was a couple, I remember that much.
Phantasy Star Online was "THE" Console MMO, well kinda but it was the base for big changes for titles like Final Fantasy and pioneer Monster Hunter World as it is today.
I'm not sure I'd say PSO was an MMO. It was an online co-op ARPG, but I don't feel like it quite made the jump to MMO. It was still an excellent game though, Sonic Team did a superb job of tailoring an ARPG to the limited inputs possible from a controller. Came to PSO shortly after I first played Diablo 2 and I was right at home almost straight away.
I never played WoW but I played a lot of Runescape as a kid. People in that community refer to the time around 2007 as the "noob era" where no one knew anything about the game. I totally agree with the point that knowing the metas in these games makes it lose its charm.
Ive enjoyed guild wars 2 for years. And still do. Currently enjoy starbase greatly and black desert online. Im eager for the league mmo. Its got a playerbase and a ton of lore and backstory if anyone has a big chance at a successful mmo its gonna be league of legends mmo
The joys of being young and able to experience all of these new mmos coming out (and experiencing the “new” remakes like classic wow for the first time) FeelsGreatMan
Archage was extremely good before they added p2w shit. High PvP insentive, a lot of guild activity, pretty good class system and housing. I had a blast playing it with friends.
Young people get the same thing over and over again now days. Nothing is new other than the in game item shops. New would be ready player one type of gaming worlds. The games and world are in a shit place because there is no real leadership anywhere. Adults being controlled by kids is what's going on. Everyone's a terrible over paid baby sitter. No ones short attention span is on real world issues that are effecting everything.
Mmos are something you can play casually with no time restriction like other multiplayer games where you queue and you are stuck in a match. I play ff14 when I’m done with other multiplayer games that penalize me if I get bored during a match
They def are I started playing ESO again and it’s got a pretty solid community that’s usually very willing to help out and welcome returning and new players
I still think Black Desert Online (BDO) has one of the best character creators amongst all MMO's, and also some of the best action combat and graphics. BDO is an old game. I'm honestly quite disappointed in all of the 2021 MMO's coming out in that I do not feel they do a better job on their character creators, action combat or graphics than BDO.
Never played BDO even tough the combat looks really cool and the graphics being good, something just feels off. The characters look like one of those 3D Porn ad characters not that I'm complaining :D.
BDO looks so bland though. It sure is pretty but it lacks personality imo, feels way too generic in how good looking it actually is. I prefer games with less amazing graphics but an extensive artistic design.
Graphic is debatable, but the combat is actually pretty hack and slash-ish with different combinations, so its very engaging and fun indeed. The character creation is not the best anymore since Chinese games already took that customization to a whole new level. There are many things BDO did right, especially the feeling of exploration. Unfortunately, other designs drag it all down to hell. "Real BDO players will not ever recommend BDO to anyone" because the game was made to sink its claws extremely quickly with impressive visuals and well-designed manipulations. After some investment and time, BDO is nothing more than a pretty torture device you refuse to escape.
@@SquishyEggo positive way. I was a dumb kid then, never made much progress. Then I deployed a ton and now I feel like I can actually experience it on my terms
That were crpto, on rng finds, Facebook, RU-vid , google, amazon, ideas came from, not , wow, or rest, many we're over sea ideas, from Japan, Australia, UK.
Its always so sad to see Star Citizen being reduced to its expensive ships. Most people buying these dont even use them. They just really want this project to suceed
You guys think it is bad for you guys? Imagine being an RTS fan lol. Luckily we have Age of Empires in an absolute golden era with Age of Empires 2 mass producing new expansions that are actually VERY good and Age of Empires 4 right around the corner. Hopefully the game will be a big hit and it will renew interest in the genre. I can pray.
I wish. Warcraft 3, Age of Empires and Starcraft 2 are some of my favourite games of all time, but sadly I suck at RTS and there's very little there anymore for a player like me. Also RTS esports is probably the only genre that I can actually enjoy watching.
@@EndOfExistence1337 all 3 are solid games haha. I'm decent at Starcraft 2 multi-player but all other RTS is strictly campaign modes for me haha. That's why I'm so excited about Age of Empires 2. They are making 2 expansions a year so there is a continuous stream of new single player levels. And they finally put together that people like having allies so the levels are ssssssooooo fun.
i agree, a lot of mmo BUT after TBC nothing REALLY REALLY as good as TBC, and those who were great, went full P2W "cof wildstar blade and soul black desert cof". We have years of crappy mmo and cash grab methods... till maybe today??? I dont even know what to expect any more...
Lol this video shows how little Strife Hayes actually knows about both ESO and The Elder Scrolls in general. As for his topic .. pvp niche game - Ashes, game with identity crisis - New World, another incarnation of Bless, for now million dollar sci-fi scam - Star Citizen. There will be shake up, as WoW finally pissed off their players. But reneissance ? I don't think so. MMO's exist, it's not like cRPG's which got murdered by publishers for about decade and then immidiately had resurgance once people got to kickstarters. Shake up will just mean WoW having issues, which benefit competitors. However that doesn't mean any reinesscance. Imagine if competition would replace WoW - what then ? It won't probably prove either FFXIV or ESO to be superior, as it just snached disgruntled WoW playerbase slipping in. It will just mean WoW has issues to a point of people having enough of it. You won't have ESO or FFXIV clones as at core they both started going from long established IP's - not exactly aiming to appeal to MMO crowds, but rather searching to drag into MMO landscape NON MMO playerbases. Something that none of 'reinesscance' candidates Hayes have. Why these big IP's did it ? Well ... playerbase would be stable and loyal, they have come for IP itself rather then MMO. Way more then MMO Andy who is just always looks to be 'part of next big thing' and leave when hype drops. I doubt any of the 'candidates' will appeal to majority of people, they might appeal to Josh Strife Hayes but he is just another talking head. However how will that be different then all these smaller MMO's being ruled over by big top ones on any other day ? And for Asmongold wish that there would be just 1 game and everyone in it ... I don't think this will happen. Probably like never again.
Newsflash Wow always sucked and will continue to suck , there were mmo's that were 100x better than wow , but weren't 3d or technically as impressive or people didn't play them , because they wanted to play wow. Wow was the fortnite of Boomer era , all the shitters played it without realizing it's a HORRIBLE mmo. NOT only was wow BAD within itself , it ruined the MMO landscape for YEARS. People still think wow used to be good , I guess you call them "classic Andies" right? Wow is bad period my dudes. Even today I don't see any of the available or coming mmo's as "fixed" mechanics and game-play wise. They just don't get it and people who play mmo's also don't get it , they're so brainwashed by the past 10 yrs of crap anything slightly better is a "sensation". I have tried wow and knew it was bad , I've tried FF14 and it's BARELY ENJOYABLE , the new worlds and ashes etc , look old before they are released and their vision is still within the same mindset that bad mmo's have.
being 23 or so when WoW came out...no problem. Quitting each WoW expansion immediately upon leveling = I'm almost 40 and I don't have time for MMO's...nevermind WoW's insanity and horrible approach/punishment for all players in their game. Sad...met a lot of good peoples back in the day. It's cancer now.
I start Playing MMOs with City Of Heroes, GuildWars 1 and Vanilla Wow and this Video is incredible right. it opens my mind why the heck are MMOs in these days are freaking Boring. Yes because we know every fucking thing in this game from the beginning. what is the best item, what are the Boss mechanics, what i have to archived to be a good player. which setup is the best. ITS FUCKING BORING! I love to visit a game and have to figure out everything by myself and discover this beautiful landscapes instead of know everything import info ,before the Release happpen.
It still kinda bugs me when EVE Online is not mentioned in videos like these (Josh's). EVE Online is 18 years old, one year older than WoW, and its still just chugging along doing its thing. It is one of the very few non-terrestrial fantasy games so it does very much fill a niche. And while it never had the numbers WoW did, it has always had a solid group of dedicated players that love the game. And then many of us that while we don't play anymore for one reason or another still love reading the stories that the come out of the game because of the player politics. Also I don't know of any other game company that helped form a council of players from around the world (named the Council of Stellar Management or CSM) that are voted on by the players themselves, then flown on company dollar for a week long stay in Iceland (once a year I think) to have a meeting and talk about player concerns and shit that needs to be addressed and they work with the CCP (the devs) on trying to find solutions to problems. In my eyes CCP is the best at working with their player base to make the game better.
Most people never get to the good bit because the game's impenetrable as fuck, they only played it for a few hours at best so it's easy to forget. Don't agree with your last sentence though, CCP have fucked up *a lot* over the years, every patch is a coin toss as to wether it makes the game better...or worse.
@@memitim171 I didn't mean everything CCP does is run pasted the players and the CSM. Like all devs they push things out they think are good that aren't and deal with backlash.
I dont think it's a renaissance, but a simple "normalisation" of percentages of players. Players leak from WoW to MMOs which are better at something they play for. For example if you like story it's SWTOR, if you like lore and immersion it's ESO, if you want WoW Retail but better, it's FF14. It's not a revival, it's just shift of player masses. Huge amount of people leak from WoW to other MMOs and this gives a lot of exposure for MMO's as a whole, which leads to slight growth in popularity for the genre.
You have to take out the money of making video games (for example by getting rid of intellectual property) so that only passionate developers stay that don't wan't to press as much money out of players as they can and are just working as a kind of artist that wan't to give/create something good in their free time. That passionate developers can build up new "developer communities" like the old "artist communities". (And there are examples for such projects as "Skywind" or "Skyblivion"...so the argument: "there would be NO more developement without money" is wrong). The game "industry" (focus here on "industry") has to be fully destroyed to bring back passion. Will there be less new video games then? Of course...much less indeed, but that will be games the developers put their heart in and that will be worth playing it. And you won't find an ingame store in that games, 'cause without intellectual property everyone can just copy that game and run their own servers...and if one server contains microtransactions....you can just hop to another server without them. Microtransactions, Cross-Game-Promotion (e.g. buying Game A and getting Pet/Mount in Game B) and that stuff just won't happen.
I played EVerQuest for years after it was released. Ultima Online was trash. Wasn’t even a proper mmorpg. It was basically an MMo Diablo. Mad bots and just chaos. Little isometric characters running around everywhere no clear goals just killing things and dog piling on bosses. EQ made mmorpgs proper how we know them today. WoW perfected this recipe. Ultima’s recipe was garbage which is why Blizzard didn’t copy that instead.
Bad video. There's only one reason why MMO is having growth, Covid restrictions. ALL entertainment mediums that can be done inside your house are increasing. Netflix users, ebooks sales, games played... The only company that crashed instead of gaining anything from this is Blizzard.
People have always loved and wanted to play MMOs. Im an osrs player, veteran since 02. But I just had NOT been able to find a new game that kept my attention for anywhere close to as long as runescape has/still does. DDO is great, and I highly recommend it. SWG private servers are up, and are great. But the big thing theyre missing are a big, heavy, dedicated playerbase. The thing is, these games are great because they came out BEFORE WOW did. And they were great for it, because after WOW started to dominate, that became the blueprint for the entire genre for so long. And even these old games, famously Runescape, and to a lesser-known crowd SWG, changed to be more like WOW and it killed them. I always wondered where the MMO genre would be if only games like SWG stuck their ground and showed everyone how great other games that weren't WOW clones could be. No game will be the "WOW killer" if its another WOW game with a reskin, even if that reskin is pretty. People will just play WOW instead. The bug 5 MMOs are all unique in their own, big ways. I hope other games continue to take chances and pave their own way into this community. These guys hit every point Ive been saying for years and years now.
The only MMOs I am playing atm are FFXIV and ESO (although I play ESO like a single player game and just quest) and I have been playing a bit GW2 a few months ago. But FFXIV is the only one I played consistently for years now and really like the social aspect of it, made a lot of friends in it and I even met my boyfriend in it.
9:00 -- wrong thinking. "just copying" is not enough. WOW was copied many times and none of those games beat WOW (back in the days). Because why people would go to new game with all same stuff? Its the same as thinking if you copy Facebook now, somehow all current Facebook users will go to you. Why would they do that? How your project better if you "just copy"? So "no", i dont think that just copying someone successful is a way how projects become successful.
MMOs are like life. You have a character, and your investment socially, gameplay-wise, etc., while online, goes into that character. When you see movies that depict futuristic VR games, or when you hear stupid fantastical shit like "simulation theory", they're the same thing as MMOs. The game of the future will be an MMO. This is why people are addicted to MMOs. When the equivalent of an ultimate PC in today's terms can be bought for a few hundred dollars in the future, there will without a doubt be MMOs linked with cryptocurrencies that will bring in trillions. It's obvious to see. Crypto is a huge factor in big companies investing in MMOs for the future. You can't turn down milking money while also building your own currency. If you were a CEO and were presented with this potential, it would be obvious that this is the way to go. Just can't make that kind of money in other styles of games.
SO True! Data mining is absolutely suck. Classic was a huge world to explore! But in Retail you know what is going to happened 10 steps ahead, that's why people get bored so quickly. There are also other factors like killing profesions and game economics and as a result almost 0 open world activity after few monthes of the new Addon comes out. If the game need open world only for lvling, such game is totaly suck.
I feel MMO's may be on a comeback because the ones that were the most successful either got better or imploded (FF14 and WoW). Now there's a power vacuum and space for new games to be seen and try new things to set themselves apart from the rest. Hopefully the expectations of MMO gamers remain high now that a lot of them can see other games exist beyond WoW. A king should have to earn their crown to keep their crown, not just have word of mouth. I think it's a good wake up call. If the mightiest mmo can fall for being sub par, any mmo can. So the only options are just do better or disappear.
I still play tbc but I started a month late and had to level from 1 cus I didn’t wanna boost. back in the day I was extremely casual played during tbc-cata. Never raided. Never did heroics. Never even had a lvl 70. Didn’t ever hit max level till wotlk. So for me this is just going back and doing all the things I had no idea existed back. I still have some loose ends to tie up. But I think I’m gonna do my final run in wotlk. & after that I’m really excited for the future of mmos
Look Blizzard was founded and made by gamers for gamers. That's it. This was pre wow for those of you who dont know. From warcraft - WoW BC. Now gaming company's are owned by corporates.... we are waiting for a new king to pull the sword from the stone and start a new kingdom. Not another warmongering tyrant just wanting to collect taxes.
Tried the updated version of Bless Online, it seems a lot like FFIV but... the fights are actually harder. I died on trash quite a bit in Bless. I haven't gotten to the meat of the game yet, but It's solid 5 out of 10, okay fro a free MMO.
