Assassin's Creed Rogue Was a Plot Hole (Sort Of)

Подписаться 452 тыс.

Просмотров 158 тыс.

50% 1

In this video, we go over the major plot issue with Assassin's Creed Rogue that just doesn't comfortably fit into the Assassin's Creed Universe.
Support me on Patreon: / fishyyarpster
COMMUNITY DISCORD: discordapp.com...
Channel merch:
- shop.spreadshir...
- www.redbubble.c...
- www.teepublic....
Join the Union for Gamers: www.unionforga...
My Google+ page: plus.google.co...
My second channel: • Video
My Twitch channel / xn3rdxd3rpx
Snapchat: cabbagefishd3
If you want to learn more about me, check out the Wikitubia page: youtube.wikia.c...
Check out the crew's Weebly website: ethanwoodgates....
Follow me on Twitter: / ejwoodgates
Woof: / doggoofhappines
Like my Facebook page: / ethanwoodgatesxn3rdxd3rpx
I even have a Google+ community: plus.google.co...
My Steam Group can be found here: steamcommunity....
Gamer 2 Gamer: plus.google.co...
Follow my personal Google+ page: plus.google.co...
Thanks for watching!
Please:
Like
Subscribe
Share
Comment
TELL YOUR FRIENDS ABOUT ME (please?)
Enjoy!
Please subscribe to help us in our conquest to gain more subscribers and grow more and then spread the word and the love of this humble channel!
I hope you enjoy the content here, and if you do then please subscribe, but if not, don't just dislike, please give me some tips on how I could improve for future reference!
I upload every day and I hope that my input to the RU-vid community is enough to convince you to at least like a video or leave a comment or maybe even subscribe!
Any positive input to the channel is greatly appreciated!
If you haven't already, be sure to check out my other uploads, whether they are recent or not, although, I'd recommend the recent ones as my older ones are absolutely terrible!
NO HATEFUL COMMENTS OR FLAME WARS
NO SELF ADVERTISING WHETHER IT BE OF PRODUCTS OR CHANNELS (if you want me to notice your videos/products then be sure to privately message me)
I DO NOT DO SUB4SUB
I hope you enjoy the video!
Music from Epidemic Sound: www.epidemicsou...

Опубликовано:

27 сен 2024

Ссылка:

Скачать:

Готовим ссылку...

Добавить в:

Мой плейлист

Посмотреть позже

Комментарии : 558

@Mirage-sb7gj 7 лет назад

Here's a valid argument for Kesegowaase: The confusion between him and Connor as the first Native American Assassin is because the Templars might've destroyed all records of the Assassin's presence in the colonies after the purge.

@jasonsettlemyer7423 6 лет назад

May Achilles destroyed the records cause he failed.

@cyberwing3758 4 года назад

I keep on seeing people talking about “The Great Purge” where everybody dies but all I can think about is Haytham saying to Shay “Execute Order 66” then Shay goes and kills everyone.

@coiby346 3 года назад

Do we forget about the the assassins in the Caribbean? Are they just some fodder? Or do they not count as Native Americans.

@edward2815 3 года назад

Possibly old Connor tried to bury their colonial brother era's failure until AC3 happened.

@Lawrence_Talbot 3 года назад

@@coiby346 They aren't native Americans. They are islanders/Caribbeans

@kylegoyak8510 7 лет назад

The reason Kessegowase wasn't known was because during the great purge in 1763 basically all of the assassin records were destroyed. This was mentioned in 3 so everyone assumed Connor was the first native American assassin. Haytham didn't didn't care about Adewale enough to mention him. He was his fathers friend other than that big deal. He never knew him personally. There is also at least a 10 year gap in Haythams journal so Shay was most likely mentioned but they only put Haythams origin and followed AC3 from Haythams POV. Thus being said AC Rogue was a potential plot hole but Ubisoft knew all of this and ensured it wouldn't be.

@nitsuagaming6121 3 года назад

Im surprised that ubisoft even cared tbh

@Ian501st 2 года назад

@@nitsuagaming6121 they used to

@thomasrichards357 7 лет назад

First off, It says in Rogue's in game database at Haytham that no one knows why he left Shay out of his journal. Second Chevalier tells Shay (if you choose to go hand-to-hand) that no one will remember Shay, so the assassins might have erased all traces of Rogue's events without telling newer assassins that may have caused every one to forget (as time went on) about Shay's part in the fall of Achilles' brotherhood

@Fizhy 7 лет назад

Self awareness explains nothing.

@brokenbridge6316 7 лет назад

Hey Fizhy---You made a lot of sense in this video. Great work.

@lnonno9321 7 лет назад

Thomas Richards The inclusion of a 16 year gap in Forsaken can corroborate with the tearing out of pages or some detail or another Besides, the content of Forsaken was always based on his more personal view on his missions and his own important documentations, rather than the retelling of the whole game

@kylegoyak8510 7 лет назад

Thomas Richards the templars destroyed all record of the colonial assassins and the reason why everyone forgot Shay was because he spent the next 16 years hunting for the precursor box.

@DevilHunter1994 6 лет назад

Perhaps Shay was doing something of crucial importance for the Templar Order and Haytham didn't want to put any information about Shay in his journal for fear that he might unintentionally write something that could clue someone in as to what Shay was doing. Leaving him out of the records entirely would be the safest way to make sure that one of the Templar's greatest assets doesn't become compromised.

@Smurfaliscous 7 лет назад

I know it's not an official explanation but I saw a fan comic one time that showed Shay telling Haytham to keep him out of his journals because he didn't want to be remembered and I think that actually makes some sense for the character

@zorex. 7 лет назад

that actually sounds like a really nice theory

@thomasathey3012 7 лет назад

Brian Ford I've seen that it would make sense

@LeonardBillsMcGoatPryor 7 лет назад

+Brian Ford Huh. I had the exact same thought.

@fcclight 7 лет назад

The artist's name is sunsetagain on deviantart (i think). Also Shay's quote "that my redemption can only be found in ashes, and i must burn away the past" works great

@charliegriffin2867 6 лет назад

Best, easiest explanation, I'd say.

@Ren_Davis0531 7 лет назад

If I remember correctly they had an explanation for how Kesegowaase was the first Native American Assassin. I remember some mention in one of the Assassin's Creed 3 codex entries that most of the records about the Colonial Brotherhood were destroyed in the Purge, and they just couldn't know whether or not Connor was the first Native American Assassin.

@basslightyeah 7 лет назад

Different topic and nitpick but perhaps worth a video: What position did Ezio take in the Brotherhood after his passing? Altair had statues build for him, even in Italy many centuries after he died, yet there is nothing left of Ezio. Not in America, not in Paris, not in London. It's like the Brotherhood forgot about him and, more importantly, his Revelations.

@David-nq8cv 7 лет назад

Yes but Altair didn't want statues made, it was the other assassin's who made that decision as a tribute, and they didn't forget about Ezio, remember what Achilles said "Ezio uncorked the bottle" which meant that like Ezio release the Isu from the vault in Rome, Evie states it in her journal that Jacob doesn't know or care about Ezio, and probably ezio didn't want it, remember in Embers he said "No! For me that life is over" When Shao jun wanted to learn on what it truly means to be an assassin

@basslightyeah 7 лет назад

Punished Fernando Sure but even though he didn't want to be an assassin anymore the brotherhood could have remembered him, I don't see how it contradicts his choice. And I always felt Achile's quote a bit of an understatement, but that may just be me.

@David-nq8cv 7 лет назад

That is true, maybe they did do something in honor of Ezio but we wouldn't know unless they make another character around that time, so we at least have proof that the brotherhood did honor ezio even after his retirement and passing

@norseca542 7 лет назад

Not as much as Altair who's considered the godfather of the brotherhood but still: At some point in his life, Ezio wrote a codex detailing the events of his life; including those that transpired in the Vatican Vault, which was named the Prophet's Codex. By 2002, it was located in the library of Ivan the Terrible underneath the Bolshoi Theatre in Moscow, protected by the Assassins, though it was eventually retrieved by the Templar agent Daniel Cross, who handed it over to Abstergo Industries.[19] In the year 2000, a statue of Ezio could be found in "the Mentor's" Dubai facility, alongside statues of other prominent Assassins.

@basslightyeah 7 лет назад

Julio Espada Interesting. Thank you for the info!

@transformersdude1011 7 лет назад

I think there are a number of canonical reasons that Shay is not included in the Forsaken novels. The first could be that Haytham never felt the need to write about the events at the time of the game or that Shay specifically asked for him not to leave any records of his existence because he regretted what he had to do or that at some point that section of his diary was lost or destroyed. However, I think the most likely reason is that Haytham did write about Shay in his diary, however, I'd like to point out that at the very beginning of Forsaken there is an entire page that says only "Extracts from the Journal of Haytham E. Kenway". Meaning that Forsaken is plain and simple not the entirety of Haytham's journal. It is the sections of the journal that Connor took and put together based on what he thought was the most important parts of Haytham's life. Primarily, it details things related to either Haytham and his family or significant emotional events that shaped who he was as a person and while Rogue was a very large event in the series, it was not a huge moment for Haytham's development as a person. It was simply a part of his everyday business as a Templar fighting the assassins and likely not something Connor felt was relevant enough to include in his extracts. Of course, out of universe it simply would be that either they did not plan the events of Rogue ahead of time enough to include them or did not tell Oliver Bowden about them because they would have spoiled much of the game as Forsaken was released well before Rogue.

@Lineproof Год назад

nice explanation

@cptblargington7556 7 лет назад

I'm really surprised you didn't mention the ending because it takes place in 1776 and Charles Dorian mentions that Conor and the American Revolution undid what Shay did, but then Charles Lee wasn't killed until 1782 so therefore nothing Conor did really happened at that point. So how would Charles be able to predict this or why would he at least think this when in 1776 that's just when the Declaration was signed and Conor was pretty much unknown to the world of Assassins? And how would Shay know what the hell Dorian was talking about when he says all this? I personally think that's a bigger mess up than any of the plot points. It always pisses me off because I actually really like Rogue for Shay's character.

@yahyakandemir2175 7 лет назад

yeah wow you really know ac don't you ım ımpressed wow

@cptblargington7556 7 лет назад

LUIS LOZANO PRODUCTIONS I guess that could make sense, but the Templar presence was still large at that time. Idk. I think it was more of meant to be a "hey fans will like this" moment, but in terms of timeline it just doesn't make much sense. Only way I can imagine him hearing about Conor is if killing Johnson, Pitcairn, and Hickey where that big of deals. And if he knew Conor for killing those targets, then he wasn't really a good assassin.

@Agent_3141 7 лет назад

Alan Payne I thought the same thing

@homefrontz3024 7 лет назад

In ac3 they said Conor was the first native who join the assassins but kaseqawase was a native assassin

@basslightyeah 7 лет назад

Alan Payne Wow. Never thought of this.

@squidsquid7487 7 лет назад

Maybe Haythem left out Shay because he wanted to keep that under wraps. He didn't want anyone to know about taking in ex-assassins.

@ForsakenAssassin1045 7 лет назад

Squid Squid that was my theory is that he didn't want people to know that they had a Templar that was trained by assassins because it could be their biggest secret weapon

@DavidMartin-xr3ym 3 года назад

Hathon was an assassin before he was a Templar that doesn't make any sense his father was an assassin come on.

@theazureknight9399 2 года назад

@@DavidMartin-xr3ym Not really, Haytham never got any assassin training. Edward died when he was still a kid.

@SohailAnsari4 7 лет назад

rogue is better than unity.

@slader8543 6 лет назад

i like them both but rogue was better at the start cuz unity was a mess of bug but now unity is awesome and is one of my fav ac games but everyone gives it crap :(

@thomashewitt8104 6 лет назад

Slader Agreed, same here

@heathsmog 6 лет назад

story and world building: ROUGE >>>>>>>>>>> UNITY Mechanics and Gameplay ellements: UNITY(Post-Patches) > ROUGE

@mansoorahmed1676 6 лет назад

My asshole is better than unity

@gxyen6679 6 лет назад

Rogue has better story than Unity

@brothers_of_nod 7 лет назад

When cleaning up the viruses from the computers in Abstergo, one of the files Violet points this very thing out saying that Haytham kept a journal and was surprised that he never mentioned Shay

@afroviewer11 7 лет назад

The story in this one was still better than unitys story

@David-nq8cv 7 лет назад

Every other AC story is better than Unity's

@afroviewer11 7 лет назад

Punished Fernando ya got me there but this ones cool cause it leads into ac3 and concludes the kenway saga

@David-nq8cv 7 лет назад

I know, I'm just disappointed that there isn't a remaster for Rogue, because I'd gladly play it again, and Rogue should've been the main game while unity was the side game instead

@afroviewer11 7 лет назад

Punished Fernando true shay was a badass

@claytonchauncey2122 6 лет назад

Punished Fernando careful what you wish for!

@AnthonySforza 4 года назад

What's funny is that having played the third one (For the second time) recently, I noticed that one of Connor's Templar target made the statement "We killed all of you..." in surprise at seeing an Assassin in the Colonies.

@broebuck71 7 лет назад

I enjoy the game. I love Rogue so much, not just because I adore Templars. But because it shows a different side. Yes, the story line may be jambled up a bit. But the developers wanted to give the people who can't afford the "current" consoles one last game. And they did, which I appreciate, because I am one who can't afford nor have time for a "current console". But nonetheless I enjoy your content even if my opinion differs! Good day, Fizhy!

@brokenbridge6316 7 лет назад

Dark Angelx17---I'm in the same boat as you when it comes to the current consoles. As for AC: Rouge itself, it had far too much gathering. If it had less I would like it a little more. But I do share your appreciation of it's story.

@broebuck71 7 лет назад

Milliondollar Dreams I rarely have time for my Xbox 360, and spending money that would be more beneficial for me for education. I don't and can't waste it on a new one. I thank you for your comment though, but not everyone can have time for entertainment.

@willieodea4941 7 лет назад

Angel Of Darknessx18 sounds like a boring life

@senseishu937 6 лет назад

You can get an xbox one S AN S for $249. If you cant do that man u are broke. If u dont have time I guess I get it

@Lauv.rè 7 лет назад

Shay Cormac's Story Sounds A Bit like Star Wars Revenge of the sith and Star Wars A New Hope

@1Chasg 6 лет назад

John Morgan It's like ROGUE one. Lol coincidence?

@bolican9843 5 лет назад

@@1Chasg ikr

@MrApoorvaSingh753 4 года назад

Haythem is Itachi Uchiha.

@senpaiabraham 4 года назад

@@MrApoorvaSingh753 how is haytham like itachi lol?

@MrApoorvaSingh753 4 года назад

@@senpaiabraham You didn't read the novel do you?

@utoresa5193 7 лет назад

Μaybe Shay asked him to rip off the pages that mentioned him?

@lapsune 7 лет назад

Rogue is my second most favourite game of the AC series. When you tie its story with others I can see a few errors in plot but its story stand alone was quite sweet and very enjoyable, a game I will always remember

@Rejeans501st 7 лет назад

Haythem at the end of rogue gave shay a job.... A important and difficult one we still dont know he results of... Get the box... The box and artifact that led to the things that cause massive earth quakes and could destroy the earth itself... That was shay's job. Given to him by?? Haythem. Thats a MASSIVE secret and job, and not just a secret. But a secret that could end the world if the wrong people found out. Of COURSE he wouldnt mention shay... As shay's MAIN MANDATE. And LARGEST point of shay's life and job... Revolves around the massive secret of the box.... Anyone knowing about shay? Risks learning of said box. As we did many times in rogue's story. And learning of shay's main mission, of course haythem isnt going to not only risk shay. But risk the world... In a silly journal.

@harshitjaiswal5529 6 лет назад

i would consider it no more than a plot hole but u did a really great job explaining it. one which can't be denied. Totally agreed

@roachct9076 6 лет назад

In the database says that they weren't sure if Connor was the first native assassin, because they lost most of the information of brotherhood in the colonies

@Himmyjewett 3 года назад

Because the brotherhood died randomly by different people

@captainduck3421 4 года назад

For the matter with Shay being left out of Haytham's journal, well he may have torn the pages out of the book for one, or Shay could've asked him to not be know, in case an assassin gets hold of Haytham's journal

@oliverturan2243 6 лет назад

Maybe the Assassins didn't mention Kessegowase out of shame. I mean, 4 Skilled assassins, and one master (Adewale) who *trained* the traitor, were all killed by him. Honour being something held so high in the brotherhood, it makes sense they would hide their failings from future initiates. Not to mention, it would explain why we never hear about Shay personally in AC3

@thomasathey3012 7 лет назад

There is a 16 year gap where rogue should have happened, maby the pages were removed, and like he never mentioned the Boston massacre

@ortegaperu8510 6 лет назад

I wish we had more Assassins Creed from the Enemy (Templar) perspective !

@TD04_Trav 6 лет назад

A.c. rouge is the best hands down... the thought alone that both sides have their ups and downs makes me re look at all the Templars i killed...

@hydraofeire2226 5 лет назад

My favourite is Black Flag, I was pissed when I found out Ed died fighting mercenaries, I got even more pissed when his kids and home where with Templars.

@redhoodie4111 5 лет назад

What if the Haytham plot hole does actually fit into canon? This is how I see it, right: So, as I'm sure we all know, Shay was the Order's first Black Cross, or at the very least he's the earliest known Templar to hold the title. The idea behind the Black Cross is that they're supposed to be a secret from even other Templars, kind of like an Undercover Boss situation. What if Haytham purposely left out Shay because he didn't want to risk exposing Shay's title to the rest of the Templars? To me, it makes perfect sense. If Shay is supposed to be a secret from the rest of the order, why would Haytham risk exposing that secret in his journal? Even though it was his private journal, Haytham knew a long life wasn't guaranteed in his line of work, and if he ever died prematurely, his journal would be free game for anyone to read, someone like Lee for example. Now, I know the American templars were all there for his initiation, but everybody knew about Otso Berg too. They just dont know about him being the Black Cross. The title is the secret, not the man, but at the same time, exposing his adventures with Shay could have lead to him exposing Shay's identity as well, so he left it out of his journal.

@ShayTheValiant 7 лет назад

Rogue was the first AC game I ever played, and Shay is my favourite protagonist (if you couldn't tell by my profile picture).

@joshcooper9043 7 лет назад

Jake Berango hm typical noob ac fan

@ShayTheValiant 7 лет назад

I know about all the other protagonists, but Shay is my personal favourite, mainly just because he's a Templar. IMO, I personally think Ezio is a bit overrated.

@cjware316 7 лет назад

Way to be accommodating to our newer fans.. I for one welcome you with open arms fellow Assassin/Templar.

@norseca542 7 лет назад

Well he is the only having a whole trilogy dedicated to him, so don't be surprised if people use him as the AC mascot. I for one like him but sometimes people make him look like an anime character which is implausible. Shay is good, but Rogue made Assassins look ridiculously stupid, i mean couldn't they deduce what happened in Lisbon and link it to Shay's words, just plain ridiculous. And that's why colonial templars are true OGs for me (especially Haytham, now that's my favourite character despite reading Forsaken ). And haven't i seen you lurking in gtlive comments ?

@kegskid1635 7 лет назад

Jake berango hell yeah Shay for the win

@wobbbiy 7 лет назад

Great video! Rogue was my favorite game for sure, and it's too bad that it is a huge plothole. Few more plotholes found: Christopher Gist. Real man in history, was very close with George Washington. He would've been around in AC3 events probably aiding Washington. Benjamin Tallmadge- In AC3 says his father was an Assassin. Probably would've been around somewhere in Rogue with Achilles' Assassins, Shay probably would've killed him. No sign of him. They could've definitely written this in. I'll think of more! But Haytham's journal was the biggest. :/ The only thing I can think of is Shay, at the end of Haytham's life, returned to the colonies and ripped out any remnants of this part of the story because he didn't want to be discovered by Connor. As, in reality, Shay dropped off the radar completely.

@brokenbridge6316 7 лет назад

Megan Arant---Christopher Gist passes away long before the events of the Boston Massacre. He caught a disease and died somewhere in 1760. But the rest of your argument does make some sense.

@wobbbiy 7 лет назад

Yes, you are right! Thanks for clarifying, he's less of a plot hole than I imagined. :)

@saggypants5688 6 лет назад

I thought this or Shay just basically told Haytham to not add him in the journal, making Shay’s name drop out of history seemingly forever, knowing full well that an assassin may come after him if he was mentioned.

@ThunderstruckGames 4 года назад

When it comes to Haytham in Rogue, it completely destroys the narrative that was set up in III with him gathering his group when he first arrives (and yet none of the characters from Rogue are there to help Haytham during or after his part of III, even though Connor didn't kill them in III, nor did the Brotherhood in Rogue). Then there's the deal of the Assassins taking on the role that the Templars have always been portrayed to hold with taking hostages.

@edilebert 7 лет назад

Hey I actually saw a Pinterest post where Shay burns the diary marked H.K. (Haytham Kenway) and all other records of himself from Haytham's records... Shay says that history would brand him as a traitor, rogue, and it mattered to him now... That should be the best explaination... pinterest.com/pin/325314773070782141/?source_app=android

@David-nq8cv 7 лет назад

If that was true than how does Connor get Haythams journal if it wasn't destroyed, and Shay said "it doesn't matter how history remembers me, what matters is that I've followed my own creed"

@devilish6854 4 года назад

@@David-nq8cv Shay tore the pages where Haytham met him unto their last meeting and burned it.

@tbower22 4 года назад

When the Colonial Assassins Branch fell almost all of their records were destroyed so it could be assumed that at the time they were exploring Connor’s memories they thought he was the first Native American assassin.

@kentucky1519 5 лет назад

Shay actually was in haytham s journal but the colonial brotherhood wanted to erase all records of the events of rouge and them breaking the creed. So in turn they removed all pages that mention Shay and they buged the memories. Keep in mind this is just a theroy that I randomly came up whith

@edwardmcintosh7952 6 лет назад

Remember what Berg said about Shay: "He may be the most important Assassin who ever lived." He says this--as a Templar-- because of Shay's story. His story is basically a conversion tool, hence why Berg wanted to release the Animus footage of Shay's life to the world. This is also why Shay's Animus file was bugged with a virus, and why Kessegowase and company were given no record. To tell Shay's story is to admit the Assassins can be wrong. Achilles was still given record because he trained Connor who rebuilt the American Brotherhood

@LauraTeAhoWhite 3 года назад

Shay makes his own luck, and his own plot holes.

@theholypeanut473 Год назад

What if it was wrotten into haythams journal but the book just didn't want to mention shay or just was made before haytham got to that point, like that's just the most likely explanation which you can come up with without having played the game, also we have no proof at all that rogue wasn't actually planned

@worsttakes4613 7 лет назад

Did Shays father maybe knew Edward kenway

@RobertEdwinHouse9 7 лет назад

Even ubisoft doesnt know that

@zorex. 7 лет назад

unlikely because his parents are both irish immigrants and i dont think that Edward has ever been to ireland

@jaredf.6532 7 лет назад

But still. Rouge was a really good game still

@KicktheSky34 6 лет назад

Forsaken doesn't cover Haytham's entire life. There are blank periods spanning years, and he even mentions that he rewrites some of the entries. Besides which, how stupid would it be for the grandmaster of a clandestine order to write down all the details of his life? He clearly only wanted to tell Connor about the parts that were directly relevant to him, and telling him about Shay would've revealed not only Shay's existence, but also the Tree of Eden that the assassin's were messing around with.

@zmagicgamer6295 7 лет назад

shay is my favorite ac character. He left all he knew behind in the belief that it was right

@Altyrell 6 лет назад

I actually would love for another AC Game to have a similar storyline/situation that Rogue has, with an Assassin turn Templar, perhaps with an Assassin that really does go Rogue or a Templar turn Assassin.

@ezioauditore4413 7 лет назад

I have a posible teory Haytham did not mentionate shay becouse he knew that achilles wil sent after him so he maybe want to protect shay If assassina read his jurnal no one will know about shay So he can live and become the next templar master

@malic_zarith 6 лет назад

Violet the templar mentions in haythams database entry in rouge that he had a dairy and notes that she doesnt know why shay isnt in it.

@tysorestsl2898 3 года назад

The most annoying thing is that changed the eyeglass and Swivel/Puckal cannons' buttons. Honestly so frustrating.

@theredcenturion2029 6 лет назад

Forsaken could be an incomplete diary, like the templars stole the part about the seven years war so shay could be kept a secret, like their secret assassin hunter, a shadow hunting shadows, Shay could have been covered up by the templars, it would also explain why no one mentions him, well why haythem doesn't, the Templars don't want the Assassins to gain information on their personal attack dog

@robertfisher8359 2 года назад

I was expecting more arguments for the game series rather than a (somewhat minor) blurp about Connor being the first Native American assassin and a lot about a book outside of the games.

@SarcasticDuck 5 лет назад

Ffs how many times do you have to repeat the same points in the same video? We get it, there's a book about Haitham's life and the events of Rogue aren't even mentioned in there

@fred5406 4 года назад

Anyone remember the dialogue between shay and Liam where they talk about Connor when they shouldn't know who he is and he's only like a baby or something?

@Dolphinman300 4 года назад

For kasegawase the assassins essentially took Shay out of their history to not show the defecting so the assassins likely also wouldn’t know about his victims

@iwasanMBTInerd 7 лет назад

To be fair about Haytham's journal, I believe it did say "Extracts from the journal of Haytham Kenway", which would explain the time gaps and Shay not being mentioned.

@worsttakes4613 7 лет назад

You know the drill 1. Fizhy 2. haythem kenway 3.shay patrick cormac 4. turkey 5. adwalle 6. Edward kenway 7. logan paul 8. your mom 9. templars 10. assassins

@wesleymiller6674 6 лет назад

Those are all good points, especially the Haytham story line. I also played it, and it didn’t feel like it fit or belonged. Much of the game felt shoe-horned in. Honestly, this whole game could have been one long cutscene or movie, like Embers. And Embers could have been a 6-0 hour game.

@franciscovazquezjr4550 7 лет назад

What if Haytham wanted to keep Shay's existence as an asset/ assassin-turned-templar a secret so that he could carry out missions without being known and not be a big target to the assassins? Shay is sorta like Haytham in that regard except he isn't known as a turncoat yet to the other assassin sects so he's valuable to the Templar cause. Just a thought

@justin8e8 7 лет назад

While an interesting idea, this is disproven by Charles Dorian, who heavily implies that Shay is well known amongst the Assassins for his takedown of the Colonial Brotherhood, A feat which is not one to simply go unnoticed

@andyfoster8011 6 лет назад

What if Haytham wrote the journal for Conor and that's why it says everything about the Templars and not Shay. Because Haytham wanted to convince Conor the Templars were right, but he wouldn't want to tell him about Shay because Conor would likely seek revenge and get himself killed.

@batjackgames6838 3 года назад

I may be remembering wrong, but isnt the Leader of connor's tribe familiar with the assassins symbol, and even directs him towards achilles house, so doesnt this kinda show that the native americans where aware of the assassins. This could be cause of Kessagewassa being an assassin but the clan mother not bringing him up to other members to diswade them from also becoming assassins like him

@lastd0ct0r74 7 лет назад

In Rogue u here about conner at the beginning of the game. Haythan didn't meet shay until 7 years after plus haythan could have keep shay quite as a secret templa

@ricovanalphen8132 7 лет назад

Master Assassin Kenway isn't Achilles son called Connor? And he died. That's why Achilles names him Connor in assassins creed lll

@raspberry_picker395 7 лет назад

Rico van Alphen didn't know that wow

@ricovanalphen8132 7 лет назад

raspberry_picker39 it's quite sad

@zorex. 7 лет назад

at the begging liam talks about the death of Achilles's son, connor. But the Connor from ac3 is actually mentioned at the end when Charles dorian tells shay that the assassins will stop him because connor began his revolution in the colonies

@leocastrillo759 6 лет назад

Morvonte Mouton yeah but they also mentioned the Assassin Connor Kenway at the end of rogue. It was the only mention of the Assassin Connor in the game

@atlasprime6193 7 лет назад

1:14 The database was logged in by Shawn and HE didn't know the full information on what happened to the Colonial Assassin because most of their records were wiped out by unknown Templar agents.

@kurokage4440 6 лет назад

This game's ending is a huge tease to make you think Connor's coming back but nope we can't have the same characters reused 4-5 times. They did the same thing in Black Flag in the in game video about Aveline and her being the only character they thought was suitable for a game and all we got was Liberation HD and a DLC mission in Black Flag. They even basically said all the characters from the past game are shit

@robinelms9732 7 лет назад

Yeah but Haytham's journal also didn't include the Boston Massacre, which seemed quite important...

@kaymeachem1619 7 лет назад

Haytham: hmmm 7 years war and should i write about this assassin turned templar?...nah

@stevieb3432 4 года назад

The only thing I can think of off the top of my head for why rogue was planned is Achilles entire attitude towards training Connor in 3. Its obvious that he was betrayed by an assassin but he never says who, and I don't think he would ever want to. So there are definitely some plot holes here but I think the whole idea for rogue was around for quite awhile. Just a poor implementation with Haythams story. But to go down the rabbit hole a bit more, even if haytham wasn't involved at all, and rogue never happened, he still would have mentioned all the assassins being killed off before Connors story. Or atleast you would think, so maybe a plot hole in Haythams story itself?

@captainnightmare1401 3 года назад

What if Haytham didn’t mention something in his journal because of the agreement he made with shay to forget about what happened at the precursor site. It’s because of how dangerous it was just a theory

@nhyllawi-an7970 5 лет назад

in the animus database when you scroll down to Haytham Kenway then scroll all the way down to the fun fact it said (Haytham kept a Diary!, I wonder Why he never mentions Shay in it -V).

@b1gmanassassin724 7 лет назад

What if Shay didn't want to be known so he took Haytham's journal and ripped out the pages containing him and threw it in a fire

@IsmaelCiulla 5 лет назад

1:17 in AC3 most of their records were destroyed after the Templar’s had gotten rid of the Assassin’s so according what was left in records wasn’t complete

@hoodedph4ntom202 6 лет назад

Maybe kessegowasse wasn't mentioned earlier because the Templars nearly destroyed the brotherhood and all records too.

@w_jc3395 5 лет назад

You forgot the fact that your allied with the British in rogue (so is haytham) but then your against them in aciii (so is haytham)

@demeritnation 7 лет назад

With the first point about the first native American assassin. It makes sense the templars and assassin's believe connor to be the first assassin as AC: Rogue's present day story takes place after AC3's so they wouldn't have known about the actual first assassin. Then there's that old woman from AC3 who didn't know much about them so it's still a plot hole it's just not a very big one

@hungniirulfur920 6 лет назад

In ac3 george washington says.That was the seven years war when he betrays connor setting an attack on his village

@barryallenporter8127 6 лет назад

Reminder all the Taino assassins are natives to, so that blew Connor being the first native assassin out of the water in black flag.

@TheArcher101 6 лет назад

With regards to Kesegowasee - maybe he wasn't a proper assassin and was instead an agent or liason with the native peoples on the brotherhood's behalf because they needed to fill their ranks to survive and gain a proper foothold in the New World, like Hope with the New York gangs - neither of them wore proper robes with a white hood, did they? Even Duncan Walpole had the distinctive mark with his uniform. With regards to Forsaken - the people below are right, Shay asked not to be included in *any* way and Haytham obliged, simple as. And also, the assassin's said "no one will remember you" to him, so they could have destroyed all the records of him - maybe they did that for *all* the turncoats or failures? Who knows? If Rogue was longer and *properly* fleshed out then it could have been seriously amazing

@charliegriffin2867 6 лет назад

To be fair, I can understand why a development studio might choose to make a game more canon than a previous supplementary book. Not to say the additional content we get beyond the games isn't awesome (it quite often is), but that stuff is going to take a backseat when the people making the main stuff prioritize their own work.

@TRZN91 3 года назад

......I don't think you know what a plot hole is.

@katerina13aar 7 лет назад

Supporting Brian Ford. @sunsetagain on tumblr made a comic (which you can find here: sunsetagain.tumblr.com/post/99908277765/) depicting and theorising the reasons behind Shay's lack of involvement in Haytham's journal. It actually makes quite a bit of sense and is a very well thought theory. Furthermore, one also has to remember that Haytham does not write everything from point A to point B in AC: Forsaken; the majority of the French and Indian War is not at all covered. Officially speaking, on the Empire's side, the War spanned from 1756 to 1763 and therefore often simply referred to as the Seven Year's War, although the 4th Intercolonial War started in 1754 when twenty-two-years-old George Washington fired ambushed a French patrol. The book only covers that first year of the War, right up until the Braddock Expedition on July 9th, 1755, and even from Haytham's perspective, we are given no indication on, how the Colonial Assassins were wiped out as stated by Achilles in ACIII after he and his sister kills Reginald. So really, something tells me that they did intentionally leave out the war in order to promote a game of this historic event later on.

@e21big 6 лет назад

You can just consider Haythem as some sort of megalomaniac - and let's face it, he kind of did. Why didn't he write about Shey in his story? Because it wasn't his story! And while it was quite a big event, it wasn't the vent that he was the star. And that was quite common especially in private historical commentary, I bet Caesar did write a lot of thing about the achievement of his centurions (there were only two that I can think of) even less so about the Gaul in De Bello Gallico.

@pinggoyskiee6010 5 лет назад

Rogue’s story is sometimes corrupted in the Animus right?

@BabaAlex505 5 лет назад

I think shay May have not wanted to be in haythams journal because he was the biggest traitor in history and that would basically be taking a shit on shays legacy and haytham knew that so specifically didn’t

@zacharyclair8835 6 лет назад

I don't think the kesegawase argument works because he is native not native American because Conor is half British and half native making Conor native American and kesegawase native.

@emilioplays89 7 лет назад

I think shay is a illusion of Conners dads death

@Liakos953 7 лет назад

Rogue it's the best AC game ever

@themanagement3193 6 лет назад

Maybe he did rip out a few pages before he died to keep Shay safe from Connor

@spyrex3988 5 лет назад

i don't get it why there is connor on the cover of forsaken when its about the journey of haytham?

@saggypants5688 6 лет назад

I’ve heard some people saying Shay purposely told Haytham to keep him out of the journal because he wants to remain hidden or something. Pretty sure there’s a comic about it. But it might explain why Haytham mysteriously left out Shay and his events in the journal, to look as if Shay never even existed.

@snape6156 4 года назад

I was a big fan of assassins creed at the time of its release and I never even heard about the games existence until months after its release, I thought it was like one of the side games. Is it actually a full length game like the rest?

@NoMaloneUnturned2 6 лет назад

The only thing i wish they have done in this game is make killing adewale (a freaking master assassin) harder to kill than hope who freakin poisons you. Maybe not stretch his mission out where you are fighting on 2 different islands and put them in a more densely populated area where its harder to use stealth. Probably not a fort because that's kind of overused in this game alone

@DaCOni97 6 лет назад

i dont know about the second point you made with the book becouse i didnt read it, but if kasegawase was a hickup then it started from ac black flag not ac rogue.

@Loreweavver 5 лет назад

They don't cover any of Haytham's activity during the 7 years war. As a journal doesn't that sound like a big span of time to skip? The meta plot of rogue was that the Templars at Abstergo were revealing shays life to the assassins. This is resolved if you look at the book as a journal that was edited by the assassins. Shays story is a black mark on the history of the assassins. It would have been a personal slight to Connor. Shay was the son Haytham deserved. Connor was a whinnying brat and probably destroyed those pages personally because he was having an emo moment.

@eruditootidure2611 7 лет назад

On Kesegowase, my assumption would be that documentation of him was either destroyed or simply didn't exist; since the Modern Day of Rogue was the first analysis of Shay's life, there was no way for Shaun to know of his existence. Connor was the first DOCUMENTED native american assassin, though not the first, so Shaun was correct, as far as anyone knew. As for Forsaken... Honestly, that book is kind of dubiously canon. The novels always stray from the canon (like, the Ezio adaptations remove all mention of Desmond), so it's not unreasonable to think that Haytham DID write about Shay, but that that storyline simply wasn't included in the novel (because, of course, it hadn't existed when Forsaken was written). That being said, I prefer to think that someone ripped out a bunch of pages. Maybe Shay himself, who knows.

@thomasathey3012 7 лет назад

Erudito otidurE the novels are canon, but not perfect, no rope launcher in underworld, and ezio shot savonarolla and you have to use hidden blades in game

@eruditootidure2611 7 лет назад

+Thomas Athey Like I said, dubiously. The many inaccuracies, such as those you mentioned, as well as the removal of any reference to Desmond, call into question their accuracy in general. So my point still stands: "it's not unreasonable to think that Haytham DID write about Shay, but that that storyline simply wasn't included in the novel"

@thomasathey3012 7 лет назад

Erudito otidurE they only didn't mention Desmond as it doesn't include the modern day though

@eruditootidure2611 7 лет назад

+Thomas Athey the reasoning doesn't matter, the point is that the books don't completely stick to the canon. Forsaken not mentioning Shay isn't a plot hole any more than Desmond not being mentioned in the novels is. The games supercede the novels.

@thomasathey3012 7 лет назад

Erudito otidurE but the books are about the ancestors life not the game in words, that's why black flag explores before and after the game, so not mentioning Desmond except the first civ isn't not sticking to canon

@tylerwilliams6662 4 года назад

Ive got an outlandish theory about it that no one would believe

@khalidbinselim2071 4 года назад

I am genuinely a big fan of your videos...but it is really disappointing that your voice is not sharp enough to understand fully. So it will be appreciated if you use subtitles or talk slowly and loudly...Thank you for your videos.

@ViciousFalcon 4 года назад

I always come back here and it's my 50th time watching this video, this is pure entertainment. Miss these type of videos.

@ChrisMathers3501 7 лет назад

Just because a story fills a gap in a timeline even though nobody asked for it doesn't mean it's a plot hole. Haytham didn't need to write about Shay's purge, Shay's purge was the reason the Assassins at the start of 3 were a couple of burned out old cripples. I mean, why put your more sensitive and work-related secrets in a personal journal? An Assassin could just take the book from Haytham after killing him. Which is, in fact, exactly what happened.

@Yermawlol 4 года назад

I have a theory Shay didn’t want to be in Haytham’s journal

@bravobird9435 6 лет назад

It could have fit if Shay just asked to not be written into anything by haythem

@nathangray4397 4 года назад

Maybe hatham ripped the pages out before he died as Conner is the one reading it

@CurtisAlfeld 4 года назад

Every multimedia franchise has one medium that is what they are known for and that medium is the true canon. For Assassin's Creed, the games are what most people experience from the franchise, so they are the true canon. Everything else, books, comics, movies, etc., should be considered soft canon, and should be considered canon until they do not line up with the main part of the franchise.

@samappleness9553 7 лет назад

Y have I stopped getting notifications from ur channel that's a bit weird

@mercenarybdu 7 лет назад

Buddy. When doing historic research, not everything is gonna be recorded clear as day. There is always going to be portions that are missing when lacing the whole segment of what happened back together when evaluation time comes. AC Rogue is that example. To be jittered and diced up speaks for itself. There is always something new uncovered when digging deep into the bawls of time.

@vibinperrot 4 года назад

When you play assasin creed Rogue in PS 3 (or somtning else) money be like: awww im poor When you play it at PC money be like: RREEEEEE

@blackbirdsnake3107 6 лет назад

I think haythem had this Wohle Story hidden because Shah had a Important Secret Mission (arnos father)

@Loophole23742 4 года назад

Talking about throwing in characters, you could say the same thing about Arthur Morgan in RD2. Lol. Rockstar never planned to do the prequel when they made RD which is why Arthur who turned out to be such a major character in the lives of the Marsden family is never mentioned. Personally I think John should have just had a cameo part in that game and Arthur should have been more tied to Sadie and Charles’s lives than John’s. This is why I dislike prequels.

@Alecfisher01 6 лет назад

Technically isn't Shay Cormack from Rogue and Germain the same person. Seeing as in rogue(SPOILERS)shay kills Arno's dad at the party but in unity its Germain who does it. Does this mean that shay and Germain are the same person?