I would love to hear Chris’s take if the coach who made this call was not called Kyle Shanahan. As an analyst you need to be blind to personalities and focused on situations. He seems to always have a problem here with the Niners/Kyle. I’m a Niners fan but this was inexcusable on Kyle. If Andy and Spags are drilling OT rules into the Chiefs players heads there’s probably a good bet that it’s important.
At the same time, the players not all knowing wasn't a difference maker. The decision was. And I'll defend Shanahan, because there's an alternate universe where he gives KC the ball first and they rapidly score on an exhausted 49ers defense, then a rested Chiefs defense pins their ears back and stops the 49ers. Then everyone is hating on Shanahan for not resting his defense. And there's another world where the chiefs are held to a field goal and the 49ers get the ball third and Kyle looks like a genius. Everyone is more sure of their opinion a week later with the benefit of hindsight. Kyle had to make that choice in the moment. And of course, Andy Reid deserves credit for having prepared for this situation all year, but he also went to overtime in the AFC championship 3 years in a row, so maybe it's less that he's a genius and more that he too has the benefit of hindsight
It's nepotism. They are both from white football families, so they try to keep the narrative controlled and throw each other favors. Shanahan is fake and Chris Simms never did anything important as an NFL player... of course they stick together
This is the classic Shanahan over control,I know the rules, nobody else needs to know the rules mantra which is why he will never win anything. Meanwhile Andy Reid, multiple super bowl Winner,Let his players know everything. Shanahan needs to take a leaf out of a winners book; he’s so arrogant it’s ridiculous.
@@bonym371 You just said a bunch of BS. Reid never won shit on the eagles, that means he used to be arrogant and wasnt ever gonna win anything??? Shanahan has the last pick in the draft playing qb, Chiefs have a top 3 QB ever.
It's my understanding that Coach Shanahan made the ultimate decision for taking the ball first. If true, the player's knowledge of the rules becomes irrelevant. Unless, the Forty-nine player's made the decision to take ball.
What numbers did they crunch to come up with that conclusion. There's hundreds of college games with a similar inital scenario, no one ever takes the ball first in college for good reason.
@gregoryheathco8657 I agree that college is not apples to apples, but I still think you kick. The fact that the game can be ended first possession by the defense is reason enough to kick. Then add the benefit of knowing exactly what is needed 2nd possession, 4th downs in play, and the option to go for 2 if matching a TD to avoid the 3rd possession.
I'm pretty sure the analytics thing was just a cop out. I'm gonna struggle to believe analytics would tell you to take the ball first, unless the sample size includes all of the overtimes before the rule change. Also, analytics shouldn't make all of your decisions for you, it's a tool, that you as a NFL head football coach, should be able to discern whether or not the result of analytics makes logical sense in the moment.
@@nbatalkz6635 Oh no doubt, but at least then Mahomes has a longer field to go. I just think you have to be ultra-aggressive against the Chiefs and Mahomes.
@@alanmartino5488wouldn’t he need a field to win it? You don’t have to go the length of the field to win it. Buckner already made 2 50 yard field goals. That kicker in that game with how clutch he is. It’s hard to pass up the points.
This is Kyle’s 3 SuperBowl appearance right? When McVay lost to the Patriots Dynasty in his 1st Superbowl, all you heard was how McVay got outcoached. Kyle is a Cordinator not an HC.
& one could argue he's not even a good coordinator. 28-3 lead & instead of draining the clock he's passing every down. One could argue he wouldn't even be in the league if not for his dad.
I don't understand all the angst about analytics or taking the ball first or not. The real mistake was having the ball inside the Chiefs 9 yard line on 4th and 4 and not going for it. You know they have Mahomes on the other side and you have to assume he's going to get them a score. Your only chance is to guarantee it has to be a TD.
You and I know this, but a coach getting paid millions doesn’t know the capability of his opponent who already beat him in a similar scenario just a few yrs ago lol. You can’t make this stuff up lol.
Florio you Stud! Thank you for the BUY IN rant along with the EMPOWERING the Team observation! These are fundamental to building a team mentality with the squad and reflects the lack of leadership and attention to detail that has defined Kyle for years. Want more proof? Check out the final interviews from Brock and Kyle, side by side, and decide for yourself who the leader is.
I don’t like how the players take zero accountability for this. You play this sport professionally and don’t know the rules… yes the coaches should’ve hammered it especially since the rule change was only a couple years ago. If I as a casual fan knew about the rule change and was shocked they took the ball first in real time, there should be no excuse.
Why should the players take accountability when the Head Coach told the players to take the ball. That is all on the coach whether the players knew the rule or not, but to your point yes they should def know the rule and I’m pretty sure they do but showed willful ignorance when coming up w an excuse
Andy Reid hammered the ot rules into his players for a reason. And Shanahan told the players to take the ball first , so even if the players did know the rules it doesn't matter. It was Kyle's decision & he told the players to receive . Hardman didn't even realize they won the game when he caught the touchdown. Your a casual fan so of course you would know the ot rules because your sitting on your phone & can look them up. The player's are worried about remembering the schemes & playbook & what's happening on the field. Can tell you've never played any kind of organized sports before.
Kyle has his warts but hes still one of the best coaches in the league. If the 49ers really are internally bothered by his decision, fire him and find a better coach. I'm certain he gets another job in short order.
Florio is so blinded by his hate for "analytics guys" that I don't even think he recognizes that Kyle is just throwing them under the bus. The Chiefs' analytics team clearly had different thoughts on how to approach this situation than the 49ers did. Kelce has even explicitly given them credit on his podcast.
9er fan, not one of Kyle's homeboys, but the OT decision was correct, our D needed time to recoup. It's simple, KC made plays to win and 9ers didn't. 9ers had a chance to win at end of regulation and in OT.
Agreed. Likewise, going for a TD on 4th like some media members are spouting would have been flawed because should they fail, KC just needs to gain about 50 yards to get into range for Butker.
I don’t mind him taking the ball but i do mind him taking the ball and then kicking a field goal if they loose fighting they loose fighting but kicking a field goal when you have no momentum in the game and mahomes was hot can’t happen its like kicking against brady it makes no sense
@deehill6719 I see your point, it was a tough call because Spags and the D had our number on 3rd and manageable on the previous play and last play of regulation so can understand the FG. 3 points at least puts the D in position to get a TO or a KC mistake for the win.
The game was lost at the 2min warning when it was 3rd an 5. Even 2nd and 5....team is running the ball, chiefs are gassing and instead of running the ball you try two basic pass plays. At that point in the game, you need that first down as if it's the game, because it is! A first equals a last second FG (or close enough) and thus Mahones has no time to get anymore points. SF's Defense did great for 3.5 Qtr, but at the point the game they are not stopping KC, few if any teams do. Andy reed has great plays when it comes down to must have and apparently Kyle doesn't.
If the analytics department told him to receive in overtime they should all be fired and replaced. He should have deferred. Period. End of story. Shanahan choked. Like he always does.
Why should the HC have to explain the rules? Fans (a good many if not most) know them. That said, he should've kicked off. But at the end of the day it's SF Defs job to stop them, Mahomes or no Mahomes.
Purdy had a good first half, second half he was only average. Mahomes was cautious for most of the game which was so smart to avoid intercepts. And then he pounced when it mattered at the end of reg and ot. Chiefs were an average team for most of the season, then won on the road in every game. Outstanding playoffs performance.
@@iancocks9408 exactly on Mahones, but my comment on Purdy was he had great opportunities to put TD's that ended up in field goals. he played good but you got to play great to beat Chiefs
I can’t believe I’m going to defend Purdy but the 49ers should’ve won the game. They had a 2nd and goal to win the game and Kyle decides not to run the ball. There’s a whole meme about the Seahawks not running the ball in the Super Bowl. They get the first down, they are running the clock out to set up the game winning field goal
I feel like Mahomes/KC are the champion fighter...almost seems like they refuse to attack and play their cards, and prefer to counter. They almost prefer to play from behind at times 😂 And probably not...but damn
I don't get the analytics angle for this bc it's the only time it happened in the NFL.... but if you just look at college football, everyone says take the ball 2nd. Like it's not even a question. It is a little different bc college doesn't have that sudden death part where Shanahan was planing for the 3rd possession but still, you have so much more control and options but going 2nd to avoid any 3rd possession situation. It's 100% the wrong call.
Over time rule is not even 'new.' It's been in place for 3 years. Mahomes said they strategized on the scenario so much that he became sick and tired of hearing about it. Chiefs are dangerous enough with Mahomes, but they are very well coached.
KC said they would've gone for 2 if it were a tied game at the end of their OT possession. Also, what if you're playing the Detroit Lions? You know 100% Dan Campbell would go for 2. Do you just ignore that and go with analytics? But the real question is this: did Kyle even know the rules? Some of his players thought a TD won the game. Did he know that to be false? Or did he maybe know the rule but forgot in the moment and told Warner to take the ball if they win the toss out of confusion or instinct from past years?
I am a firm believer there is a place for analytics. Especially in the regular season. The playoffs is definitely more about feel and knowing the flow of the game. That's when the head coaches decision making can't me handcuffed by someone who isn't taking everything into account including emotion on your sideline or the game flow.
Kyle does not seem to take ownership in anything. If he would just came out and said I “messed up I didn’t know OT rules. My thinking is if we score first we win”. If he said that this would’ve been done after Monday.
The thing no one is talking about is that these deep runs into the post season take a toll on players, especially if they're not even winning, and getting back to the SB is harder and harder. The window is closing on SF.
It's hilarious to hear them invent defenses for the terrible OT decision when they went on and on for weeks about that guy who coached last year's losing team for not going for it on something like 4th and 3 from their own 40. Great to see they're both on a first name basis with the coach, though, unlike literally every other NFL coach
Thank you for this video assessment. I see people parroting this idea that under no circumstance should a coach choose to drive first in OT. There is more factors to consider obviously, the most important being if you want to put your offense under immediate pressure in OT
Kyle must be Chris's friend and that's okay. Everybody is open to criticism. The Kansas City Chiefs were ready for overtime 100% it's obvious they had a plan like ending the game. Before the coin 🪙 flip for OT if Kansas City got the 🏈 2nd they knew it wasn't going to be a 3rd possession. Kyle's 3rd time straight (not ready) 25,10,10 Leads and same SB results-Please 🛑 calling this man a genius 🎓
I think Kyle’s “analytics” blurb is nonsensical to the point I wonder if they even did it or the analytics ppl actually gave him that recommendation.…..the pre game analytics would indicate you take it second - second team gets advantage and will use four downs since they know what they HAVE to do etc. the real word excuse of “my defense needed rest”, makes more sense and is a valid point
Run a draw or sweep like you did against them the 1st time… out of pistol and not under the center runnnnnnn the balllll………….. FIRE KYLE FIRE KYLE FIRE KYLE!!!!
Kyle Shanahan is a freakin’ TRAIN WRECK as an NFL HEAD COACH!! The Head Coach is the “Leader of the Band”, the CEO of the team on the field. He has coaches who run the offense, defense and special teams. John Lynch needs a Head Coach who knows how to run the game. Not stuck in OC, DC, STC mode. Kyle is not his father.
I usually love Florios takes, but either he is getting paid to defend Shannahan or he's friends with him. This was a terrible decision in the moment and to blame analytics is beyond stupid.
I say they're just scapegoating analytics to take any blame off Shanahan. I feel it's obvious... Shanahan just didn't bother to think things all the way through. That's why they lost. He just doesn't understand situational football and neither does his team.. how do you NOT know the overtime rules??!
how can analytics justify giving Mahomes an extra down to kill you? going for it every fourth literally increases the chiefs chance by 25% to win the Superbowl
Everyone is saying should have them the ball . No has said what the new over time is exactly , haven't heard one person break it down ! If they gave them the ball and score a TD and you don't you lose ! Or do you get a another chance ?
THIS overtime rule thing is such a nothing burger as long as Shanahan and his coaches new it they are calling the plays outside of maybe Purdy it’s not that big a deal. It’s amazing how easy this game is to break down sometimes I wonder if some of these commentators watched the game . If I was to name one thing that I thought won the game for the Chiefs it wouldn’t even be Mahomes,it would be special teams blocked extra point,recovery muffed punt .Super Bowl record 57 yard field goal and some Luck they fumbled twice that bounced right back to them .Mahomes like most QBs get more credit than they probably deserve his game winning pass was one that most NFL QBs could makes it was a few yards out to a open receiver most of the credit should go to the coach for drawing it up it was a great play.
I don't think you mess up taking the ball if your intention is to march down the field like Tom f'n Brady and win the game with a TD, when they had the choice to go for it or kick a field goal and they went for the field goal i was ok this is over, KC is going to win and the coach doesn't think he has a QB. BTW the exception to the rule is if you have an all time defense and thats what got you to the super bowl ie the ravens/bears, then you give the ball to the other team, even then i personally would rather take the ball.
They kick the ball off first there, they have ZERO chance of stopping Mahomes, As it was, they had a chance. Now, I think if Mahomes wasn’t the QB, it might have infliuenced Shanahan to KiCK first. These guys have the argument ass backwards. You kick first against lesser QBs, you take the ball first (and third) against the better QBs. Throw in a tired D, and it’s a no-brainer. He made the right call. Just need the RG to block the right guy.
Nobody would’ve said crap to him if he won though lol and instead he lost and through the analytics people under the bus so he pissed everyone off. Also grant Cohn said shanahan’s first response about OT was that he didn’t know the rules and then he made up the analytics stuff.
I've been waiting to put this out there I've been a niners fan from the 80s so I'm a little biased so bare with me I've been hearing everybody's opinions and nobody is right or wrong so here's my take!! It's a long one😂 I think the coach should take a lot of the blame if they lose but the problem is he blames Jimmy g, but he's gone, he blames trey lance well he's gone he blamed Steve Wilkes well he is now gone!! Wilkes wasn't my favorite dc I liked demeco, but here's what I saw in the Superbowl the first was the fumble by CMC, can't make any mistakes in the Superbowl, but it didn't cost them, the defense played good for most of the game but at the end that prevent zone defense had a lot of holes and people were left open, there should maybe have been a spy on mahones on D, the next the offense sputtering in basically a lot of the game was do to shanahan bad play calling and not using his playmakers when it mattered most!! He seems to throw instead of run at the biggest games at the wrong time!! He's made this mistake over and over but thinks he's never wrong big flaw in his character!! And yes he can win games in regular season and he's won a couple NFC championships but in Superbowls he's never won once!! He has an all star team or some say the avengers😂 yet can't seem to manage a game properly specifically a Superbowl game the last 4 years and if you want to add OC with falcons in that Superbowl!!, I think he's probably an OC but they need a coach who knows how to win the big one and maybe demote him to OC!!! He hasn't really learned from his mistakes thus he doesn't think he makes mistakes so there is in lies the problem he will never improve because he never looks in the mirror and says it was on him!!!! Sorry back to the Superbowl they didn't get any points on those turnovers but shanny blames the defense but no that is on his offense!! It looks like some of the players are sick of his antics (aiyuk) and maybe others in that locker room, sadly this might be the last shot with such talent but under achieve!! The 49ers make changes in players and yet still haven't won but the coach is still there making the same mistakes in the Superbowl, and yes I know it's hard to win the Superbowl but when we used to win 5 and score 55 points in 2 different Superbowls and now we've lost 3 bill Walsh was way better at controlling the whole team and shanahan is not and when will the special teams learn to block a field goal or punt I can't remember seeing that lately!! And others say well they went up against mahones and Reid, but they've been beaten in a Superbowl before if I'm not mistaken just checked and it was the Patriots with Brady who we should have gotten when we had the chance yet another blunder by the niners😢 anyway I've ranted enough hopefully you enjoyed my rant if not sorry I can't make everyone happy😂 C YA and go niners!!
Bottom line.. the game was lost after halftime... Chiefs start with the ball. Mahomes throws a pick . Brock gets the next 8 out of 9 plays to pass . 3 and out all 3 series.. usher left him the stage just to lay an egg..
Who’s fault?.. AWS is the analytics service for the NFL, Bezos owns Amazon, Amazon is in Seattle, Seattle Seahawks, Marshawn Lynch, also born, raised, and played in Oakland, Oakland Raiders, both teams rival 49ers, Las Vegas Raiders, host of SuperBowl 58. Marshawn cussing out 49er fans in casino, casino always wins..
Shanahan is the most overrated coach in the game. His blocking schemes kill him in every big game. Last years NFC Championship Game, he got Purdy killed. This year, he didn’t block Chris Jones on 3rd down. Dude sucks.
Dude that makes no sense Look at the Falcons back in 2016 Super Bowl, they got completely gassed out in the end and then having to go straight back in when OT came. They had absolutely nothing left in the tank when overtime came. Yes they should have ran the bowl and Shannahan blew it but saying players can “step to the challenge” when you’ve been out there all game, take a shower, hit the weights and get a clue my dude.
Shanahan has said multiple times that he makes all the decisions on the field himself. Florio tries so hard to campaign that they wormed their way into all football operations / made coaches retarded when its the coaches like shanahan that suck at making the decisions or game planning the big games. Or the regular games if its like a staley kinduva coach. Kind of telling when he seems more angry at a department than the head guy making all the decisions
What analytics? This scenario has never happened before. There would be no analytics to lean on . Edit And dont say college, cuz teams in college always defer.
@tylerholt6828 no because according to Shanahan they were already expecting the chiefs to score, expecting a third possession. So how would they be crushed if the chiefs scored if it was expected? Bottom line Shanahan is an idiot and you never give Mahomes the second possession lmao.
@tylerholt6828 no, no, no Tyler! Wth are you not getting?!. Kyle is a choke artist did you not hear the kelce's talk about this same situation on their podcast? 9ers were gassed chiefs were gased to. But they was prepared goddammit Tyler knock it off. Do not give Mahomes the second possession!!!! Play to win, run the ball twice since you took the ball first to do what??? WIN!
Analytics works. Every successful modern company uses analytics. Obviously it has worked for him to an extent. And that extent is human nature. Take all the babbling out of this conversation and that is what it boils down to. Your analytics will only take you so far till you run into a Patrick Mahomes and you throw out your "analytics" and you go with your gut.
😂 Every tight game, little mistakes, become critical later. The blocked extra point n fumbles all change the game. Missed block, bad decisions by player or coaches in hindsight. Hard to blame one thing. Its really a combination of mistakes. Bills QB went for TD instead of first down, missed, had to kick, missed, gave ball back to Mahomes. Ravens gave up running, had Lamar pocket pass when he's best at run or pass option. Missed opportunities, makes the game what it is. Its much more enjoyable to watch a close game, than to see a blowout. Though, wished for a Niner blow out. Mahomes wasn't great in game, but did enough at critical moments. Heartbreaking loss for Niners fans. 3 SB losses. 2 SB losses under Kyle. Another Levy (Bills Levy/Kelly), 4 SB losses. Its hard to climb the mountain again Niners SB window might be closing?
This really is being made a bigger deal than it truly is. Kyle’s thinking is correct that if you both score you have the first sudden death possession. If he elected the other way he would’ve been killed for allowing mahomes to have that possession. The problem the 49ers had was they didn’t score a td. I will say though his team not knowing the rules is an absolute embarrassment on not only him but the players too. While he shouldve told the players in a meeting during the week and went over for sure, idk how the players didn’t know it already. Everyone watching from their couch knew and it’s been a thing for a few years now so they clearly haven’t been paying attention. And mike is making a ton of assumptions and accusations without any evidence to really back them up. He has no idea what goes on in their building. Also chris is too close to this to give any sort of sober analysis.
Classic Monday morning quarterbacking. You’re making this OT decision more than it deserves. Because if they kicked the ball and it went to a third possession, you would be screaming about how SF allowed Mahomes to have the ball twice in OT.
Kyle Shanahan is this generations Marty Schottenheimer...unless he decides to blow through some NFL rules & pull a Mike Shanahan to finally get over the hump & win some Super Bowls. Hopefully, Kyle has surplus ethics and won't stoop to cheating.
lol that was one of the worst takes. If Shanahan didn’t like the the analytics and followed it to avoid the backend stuff, he would have told media the decision was based on analytics
