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Astronomy - The Sun (5.5 of 16) What is the Proton-Proton Chain? 

Michel van Biezen
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In this video I will explain the proton-proton chain of the Sun.
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Комментарии : 67   
@Omni-Kriss
@Omni-Kriss 3 года назад
The best video on this process I've found so far! Thanks!
@paul-thestupid1761
@paul-thestupid1761 3 года назад
Thanks for helping me get the basics of Linear Algebra a few years back...And now Proton to Proton chains.
@jbtechcon7434
@jbtechcon7434 5 лет назад
I'm glad someone made a vid about this, and he presents this part well, but there's a lot more to the proton-proton chain than this. There are alternate paths and several back-reactions, all of which come into a complex equilibrium. The Wikipedia article on the p-p chain covers a lot more but still doesn't cover it all.
@jdehaan001
@jdehaan001 9 лет назад
Fantastic presentation! I love your lectures and have subscribed to your RU-vid Channel.
@user-sq4dz1pm5q
@user-sq4dz1pm5q 5 лет назад
All of us 408K scientists also did the same thing!
@linnthwin7315
@linnthwin7315 Год назад
Hi Prof Biezen. That was an excellent explanation of the PP process however, I think you made a mistake in the preface of the content. The central temperature of the sun is actually only on the order of magnitude of around 7 which is lower than the temperatures required to overcome the coulomb barrier using classical kinetic energy. It's through quantum tunneling that the protons are able to overcome this barrier.
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen Год назад
Not sure what you meant by "the order of magnitude of around 7". The basic principle as explained in this video is correct, with the minimum temperature for nuclear fusion being about 10 million K and the central core temperature of the Sun estimated to be about 15 million K which accounts for the faster fusion process. However that said you are correct in mentioning that there additional factors to be considered. We will explain those when we cover this topic in our new astrophysics videos where we will calculate the more precise process of the nuclear fusion process.
@JesseMason
@JesseMason 8 лет назад
I love your videos, Michel!
@zakirhussain-js9ku
@zakirhussain-js9ku Год назад
In the 1st step a proton changes to neutron. In this process a positron & a neutrino is emitted. Both of these are mass bearing particles. Logically the mass of resulting neutron must be less than partner proton or the nucleus thus formed. It is said that loss of nuclear mass produces attractive binding force b/w protons of the nucleus. If this is true then opposite charges must also lose electric flux & masses lose mass flux b/w them. I think mass & energy are just relocated. To enable this we will have to accept electric, magnetic & mass flux to consist of particles which can move around.
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen Год назад
Note that this happens when 2 protons fuse together. The mass loss of that reaction accounts for the ability to emit a positron and neutrino.
@Quake442
@Quake442 7 лет назад
I didn't quite get it until I saw this video, thank you very much Sir!
@TheLastRezort27
@TheLastRezort27 7 лет назад
Awesome video, really helped me understand the concept.
@jonugh.
@jonugh. 7 лет назад
Very well explained Sir. How I wish you're my physics teacher. :'( I have great feeling that I am gonna pass my exam. Thank you so much for this.
@user-sq4dz1pm5q
@user-sq4dz1pm5q 5 лет назад
Hi. what is your major or class?
@k.chriscaldwell4141
@k.chriscaldwell4141 3 года назад
Also: The time, on average, for a hydrogen nucleus (proton) to fuse with another hydrogen nucleus within the core of the Sun is abut 1 billion years ( 10^9/E9). The last step takes, on average, another 1 million years (10^6/E6).
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 3 года назад
That is a very interesting way of looking at it. Thanks for sharing.
@k.chriscaldwell4141
@k.chriscaldwell4141 3 года назад
Sources: _Foundations of Astronomy,_ 8th, Seeds. Wikipedia, and many more, state 9 billion years. My textbook some years back stated 1 billion years for the first step, as quoted. _The Physics of Stars,_ Phillips.
@nicolejazmine6449
@nicolejazmine6449 4 года назад
this was so, so helpful! thank you
@isaakdaniel1422
@isaakdaniel1422 5 лет назад
amazing presentation
@nicholasorton17
@nicholasorton17 6 лет назад
Please add a CNO cycle video
@hazellugo2096
@hazellugo2096 5 лет назад
Splendid explanation!!! My area is biology and still I understood everything the first time, congratulations you are an amazing teacher, love the drawings, they help a lot to try to visualize everything
@anyasmin7963
@anyasmin7963 5 лет назад
Brilliant!
@JanakpurgotTALENT
@JanakpurgotTALENT 5 лет назад
Sir plz help me to solve this problem, The sun produces the majority of its energy from proton proton fusion reaction. Let us assume that all of the sun's luminous energy comes from these reactions. If each reaction produces 25Mev energy and 2 electron neutrinos. Find the total number of neutrinos that pass through each cubic metre of earth.
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 5 лет назад
The Sun produces about 4 x 10^26 W of power. Divide 4 x 10^26 by 25 MeV (coverted to Joules) = 1 x 10^38 reactions Therefore the Sun ejects 2 x 10^38 neutrinos per second. (Then divide by the surface area of a sphere with Earth's radius (converted to m)) And you have 2 x 10^38 / 4 x pi x (1.5 x 10^11)^2 = 350 trillion neutrinos per square meter
@JanakpurgotTALENT
@JanakpurgotTALENT 5 лет назад
Sir there is cubic metre what to do with it
@JanakpurgotTALENT
@JanakpurgotTALENT 5 лет назад
Thank you so much sir
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 5 лет назад
Since they move at speeds close to the speed of light we can assume v = c They you have to divide that amount by c. 350 trillion / 3 x 10^8 = 1.2 x 10^6 /m^3 / sec = 1.2 million / m^3 / sec
@JanakpurgotTALENT
@JanakpurgotTALENT 5 лет назад
@@MichelvanBiezen thank you sir.
@viniciusol263
@viniciusol263 9 лет назад
Michel, u will make a serie of videos about Quantum Mechanics? and another question, what i need to learn this?, i watched all your videos of Modern Physics and i'm now going to watch the Nuclear Physics series, this will be necessary?
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 9 лет назад
Vinicius, It depends on several things. One of the important aspects is what you want to do for a job. Sometimes you need this knowledge so you can perform well on the job. But for personal satisfaction and fulfillment, we also learn to gain knowledge and understanding. I will be making a series on quantum mechanics, but that may be a while, since I am working on several other series first.
@viniciusol263
@viniciusol263 9 лет назад
Thanks Michel for the responding me,i'm glad to know you will do one day a series about this topic, which is very complicated, and i'm studying various things to understand this, i'm only a high school student, from youtube, you are the best to explain ANYTHING!
@aleksaderhansen1945
@aleksaderhansen1945 4 года назад
very nice
@wilsonng1489
@wilsonng1489 5 лет назад
As a layman of physics, I would like to ask is it possible for the He3 generated in step 2 collides with a proton to form a He4 , a positron and a neutrino (Just like what happen in step 1)? It involves 1+ and 2+ nucleus collision rather than 2+ and 2+ nucleus collision which should be kinetically favourable? Also, He3 is an reaction intermediate but there is a pool of proton exist in the sun. So the collision between He3 and proton should be more frequent? Sorry that I can only look from a chemistry point of view since I dont have knowledge in nuclear physics :)
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 5 лет назад
The proton-proton chain process is the main nuclear fusion process in the Sun. There are other fusion reactions but they are not as common.
@annetteh3636
@annetteh3636 6 лет назад
Great video. But i noticed a slight mistake, I think. The average temperature in the sun is only enough to make the protons average kin.en. be 1keV, while the threshold for fusion is 1MeV. So there is not "plenty of temperature there" to cause the protons to fuse. The reason they do it is the addition of high pressure and that some protons are in the high-velocity tail of the MB-distribution.
@Sg0224
@Sg0224 Год назад
I have the same doubt miss. Temperature require to over come barrier (height for p-p fusion is 400keV ) is 3*10^9 Kelvin but sun 's interior temperature is of 1.5* 10^7K . Evidently sun's temperature is not enough to impart proton kinetic enrgy to overcome the barrier. Could you please simplify you last lines of your comment ,how does fusion takes place ? Does it has anything to do with Tunneling ?
@dr.chapookdlzarorthopedics2138
i know that for 2 decades i remembered it today . the mistery behind photons is that the mass is converting to electromagnetic energy in exactly invers ratio with electromagnetic energy . i think its right for other particles like electrons. the only different between the particles is that at the end of minimum mass we have different residual atomic kilos. i think we are too close for the era of changing from physical being to electromagnetic being then returning back to our physical nature i.e transformation and distant traveling is no longer a dreem of fantasy hhhhh thank you friends for reminding me .
@ZarDiegoat
@ZarDiegoat 4 года назад
you are amazing, thanks
@el_benja
@el_benja 3 года назад
Very well explained. Thanks so much.
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 3 года назад
Glad it was helpful!
@w.naschi1618
@w.naschi1618 7 лет назад
in step 2 : how does gamma ray created? there's no mass loss that can be converted into energy? where's the energy comes from?
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 7 лет назад
There is mass loss in each step of the process.
@w.naschi1618
@w.naschi1618 7 лет назад
Sorry to bother you further sir, but I'm really grateful if you could elaborate this for me, because I'm really interested on this. Pls correct me if there's misconception in my understanding, I understand there is mass loss in 1st step due to 2 protons of H fused into He with 2 protons -> one of which then converted into neutron and produces 1 positron and 1 neutrino. or in 3rd step where two He-3s fused into alpha particle He and kicks 2 protons out. but in 2nd step where the deuterium fused with normal H become He-3 does not kicking out anything, all the particles are there (2E, 2P, 1N). You did say that when nucleons fuse they lose mass (I notice too late), is this the Gamma Ray source in 2nd step? from the lost mass of the protons? if it is, would you kindly explain how much MeV the mass loss in step 2. I'm very appreciate your concern, thank you.
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 7 лет назад
That is correct, the mass is converted to energy (gamma ray photon) in the second step.
@Isaiaswolf66
@Isaiaswolf66 9 лет назад
Hey in step 2 you said it was an alpha particle , but its a gamma? Isnt ?
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 9 лет назад
Isaiaswolf66 Yes, I misspoke. It is indeed a gamma particle.
@elisajee1523
@elisajee1523 6 лет назад
Nice video!
@araelm7724
@araelm7724 8 лет назад
Detail explained! Thank you very much. Nice bow tie !
@Sg0224
@Sg0224 Год назад
1:45 I have a doubt here sir. Proton - proton barrier height is 400keV so estimated temperature required for fusion of particles is 3*10^9 Kelvin (by Solving KE=3/2kT) . However Interior of sun has temperature of 1.5*10^7K only !! Evidently it is not possible to overcome the barrier by sun's temperature alone . Could anyone help me here ? What am I missing here?
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen Год назад
Not sure what you mean by "proton - proton barrier height is 400 keV and how that is directly related to the temperature needed for nucleur fusion". Calculate the velocity needed for a proton in order for it to approach another proton close enough for the nuclear interaction to occur.. (For the nuclear strong force to be larger than the proton-proton repulsion. )
@ilbron5175
@ilbron5175 5 лет назад
Can someone anwser this? Everyone keeps saying that 4 H (hydrogen) atoms are fused into He (helium) but it always seems like they use more than 4. Like in step one 1 H + 1 H = dueteron ok so thats 2 atoms, and then step 2 Dueteron + H = 3H 2 So thats 4 atoms. and in step 3 it is 3H + 3H = 4He + Proton + Proton, But the 3H + 3H is more than 4 hydrogen atoms? or am I wrong? either way can someone explain? 2 2 2
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 5 лет назад
when someone says: 4 hydrogen are converted into 1 helium, they are talking about the net process. Looking at the details of the proton-proton chain process, there are indeed multiple steps during which protons are fused and converted into a nucleus containing 2 protons and 2 neutrons which requires 2 protons to be converted to 2 neutrons through the ejection of a anti-electron (called positron).
@ilbron5175
@ilbron5175 5 лет назад
Thank you for the anwser. It makes more sense now.
@juancuelloespinosa
@juancuelloespinosa 8 лет назад
neutrons are slightly heavier than protons, ~940 MeV to ~938 MeV for a proton, how can a lighter particle turn into a heavier particle by losing energy/mass?
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 8 лет назад
+juan cuello espinosa When nucleons fuse, they lose mass. The mass of an alpha particle 3727.38 MeV/c^2 is less than the mass of 2 protons (2 x 938.28 MeV/c^2 and 2 neutrons (2 x 939.57 MeV/c^2:
@markaustria9061
@markaustria9061 5 лет назад
I'm confused. Someone enlighten me! 1) How come a proton becomes a neutron? ( I thought that neutron is heavier than a proton.) 2) Proton + electron = neutron Somebody correct me if I'm wrong,
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 5 лет назад
A proton is made from 2 up quarks (each have a +2/3 charge) and 1 down quark (which has a -1/3) charge. When a proton converts to a neutron, one of the up quarks is changed to a down quark. A neutron has 2 down quarks (-1/3 charge each) and 1 up quark (+ 2/3) charge which makes the neutron neutral. The mass of the 3 quarks by themselves are just a tiny fraction of the total mass of the neutron or proton, thus the mass is formed through an energy conversion when the 3 quarks join together to form a baryon. It appears that the neutron is given a slight amount of additional mass over a proton.
@markaustria9061
@markaustria9061 5 лет назад
@@MichelvanBiezen Thanks my man. I need more readings... XD I watched another video that says that "the mass of the 4 protons is greater than the mass of a helium (alpha particle) in a proton-proton CR. I would love to hear your explanation about that matter. More power!
@dr.chapookdlzarorthopedics2138
‪Fusion energy photons pathway ‬
@julianchinafoeng90
@julianchinafoeng90 4 года назад
When a proton becomes a neutron it gets heavier, where does that mass come from?
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 4 года назад
That is a good question that we don't have a good answer for.
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 4 года назад
The mass of the individual 3 quarks that make up a proton or that make up a neutron, when measured individually is much less than the mass of the proton or neutron. The mass of an up quark is approximately 2 MeV ( 2 mega electron volts energy to mass equivalence) and the down quark is about 4.8 Mev But the mass of a proton or a neutron is about 938 MeV.
@julianchinafoeng90
@julianchinafoeng90 4 года назад
@@MichelvanBiezen Alright, thanks for the reply! :)
@meharg9666
@meharg9666 4 года назад
Sir is energy released 24.7 or 26.7 ?
@MichelvanBiezen
@MichelvanBiezen 4 года назад
about 24.7 MeV
@meharg9666
@meharg9666 4 года назад
According to my book and Wikipedia energy released is 26.7 why ?
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