1. USB-C port is not Thunderbolt. 2. The 2070 GPU is not the same as the desktop version, it's clock speed and TDP is reduced significantly; not to the level that the Max-q is.
ATTENTION for those who got this laptop and experiencing bad performance / low FPS in games. The REAL PROBLEM lies with its stock Single Channel 16GB RAM. After switching to dual channel (2x 8GB) im getting 30-40FPS MORE in games and benchmark.
To me u have done a great job.. especially the part you showing the thermal on the surface/palm area for idle and heavy load. It's very helpful to give us an idea practically what are we going to experience.. good job!
cooling noise levels are a concern, wondering whether helios 500 chassis will support rtx2070,, don't really want to cope with asus's noise and mediocre cooling, but still want that rtx inside. MSI's raider strikes a nice balance, but unfortunately has no g-sync
Hi! Could you please tell me the amount of watts that the GPU draws at full load? There is a difference between the amount of energy that each manufacturer allows the GPU to take - that penalizes performance. Particularly, I'm trying to compare the performance between this unit and the MSI GE75-8SF (2070). Also, do you know if you can put in the ASUS a 2TB nvme drive? On their website they state 1TB, but is this an early firmware thing or 1TB is what they have tasted so far and bigger capacities still work? Thanks!!!
gs75 is maxq edition.. 2070 vs 2070maxq results in the link below. it out performs by 37% gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2070-vs-Nvidia-RTX-2070-Mobile-Max-Q/4029vsm703511
Just so you guys know, you can price match Micro centers deal for 1799 at best buy, I did it and it is by far the best laptop you can buy for under 1800, shit for under 2400 at that
I think that was not thunderbolt type c. People have been making claims that the hdmi port is tied into the onboard intel instead of the rtx, has this been tested? Would suck for VR.
I am looking for 15inch size, have you reviewed the 15inch size? I also want to know the inside part, i want to upgrade the memory RAM to32GB and add the SSHD 2.5inch there
I got mine today, sent it back immediately. Getting a replacement tomorrow. First one they sent me was a damaged unit. One of the fans was scraping or hitting somewhere internally. Constant whine and buzzing from a crooked fan on the lefthand side of the laptop. I'll let you guys now how the 2nd unit fairs.
BammySammy I’m having a little coil whine on mine. Did the new one sound better? Also, when I’m off the battery, I don’t hear any whine, which leads me to believe it’s not a faulty fan. Just a problem inherent in the design.
nice review dude. I thought they used thermal pads for the other ICs apart from the cpu and gpu chips. but looks like they went with the thermal paste for those too. overwhelmed it with thermal paste :). Next time if you can compare it with a 1070 benchmark then it would be great. All the best :)
The 2070 in these seem to only perform as well as, and in some cases, slightly under a 1070. I've discovered that having the laptop plugged into a TV bumps the performance up to the expected level. Forza Horizon 4 for example, went from 70ish to 120 fps in 1080p but was very stuttery, while in 4k it got a smooth solid 60-70 fps. Star Citizen went from 50-70 to 100-135 fps. I have no idea why this would be, or why FH4 would have the jitters at 120 fps in 1080p. Please look into this
@@Emre723 That's funny, because the one I have, the original one I brought back to exchange, my friends one, and every benchmark of this model I can find, all beg to differ. They're all getting similar or slightly higher FPS then the 1070, and even less then the 1070 in some games. The 2070 is 'supposed' to be on par with the 1080. Clearly it is not on the Scar II's.
@@Emre723 I was monitoring both of mine on XTU and it did power throttle, but only very infrequently, almost rarely. The fps were around the 1070 even when not throttling. Tweaking the turbo power settings pretty much eliminated that entirely. But didn't change anything. Also didn't see any thermal or current throttling. And if you pay for more money for a laptop that should be performing like a 1080, but is only getting around a 1070, I think it's fair to complain. I already returned the 2nd one and am waiting for the Clevo PB51's to come out since it sounds like the Max-Qs in the P960s are doing good.
Matthew Rud Broo.. you made a mistake by refunding. Since these laptops are new, they are still being optimized, especially because of the RTX. You should have waited for a few BIOS updates that fixes everything. Im still gonna go for thisz
Nice review, though let me give you guys some constructive advice. When measuring the sound output from either the speakers or the fans, don't place them at the exact point of the source of the sound. Rather, place them at a distance the laptop user would normally use the laptop, or at the very least a minimum of a foot away from the laptop. Also, the laptop has no Thunderbolt capability so do include some sort of annotation at that part of the video so as not to mislead potential buyers. Finally don't use the peak temperatures recorded during benchmark/gaming tests, use averages as very often the CPU/GPU temperatures may spike but for very short periods, which may be a poor indication of the actual thermal performance.
i have an asus rog strix gl504gs and i noticed the control softwer in this video is different, is it a newer version? someone can tell me if an update came up?
It's bad especially on the VRM's, but it's not that bad. I've seen worse, but 90C on the CPU is a little high, could be how shit the paste they are using is.
So from what i understand 90C on the cpu is an acceptable temperature for this computer ? i actually have the same but instead of the rtx i got a gtx 1060. Nice video btw
GMart Mataro my gpu stock is around 75C and even less while the cpu stock is 90C and over. Undervolt i get a 86 and this is when i play near my air conditioner otherwise it remains the same
@@faroukbendjama7494 wow, so I guess thats really normal temps for high end laptops nowadays. I thought my ROG GL702VM is just poor in cooling solution just like whate the reviewers said. But ya theres not much we can do for desktop grade specs in a thin laptop unless we drill some holes on the bottom cover. My laptop by the way has a 1060 gpu with 6700HQ (both undervolted) and max temp 80-83c when playing demanding games like gears of war 4 but games like NBA 2K around 75-77c. I assume that the higher specs the higher temps we get. Thanks for the response
correct me if i m wrong. this is a full RTX2070 and out performs GTX1080 by 8%. and only 14% slower than RTX2080maxq edition. in what sense ppl will buy 2080maxq edition? it cost a lot more. pls enlighten me
Actually, I would not say that the Rtx 2070 (laptop) 14% slower is than the rtx 2080 max q. It is sometimes faster: www.notebookcheck.net/GeForce-RTX-2080-Max-Q-vs-GeForce-RTX-2070-Laptop_9621_9551.247598.0.html
Max q is the exact same one but running at a lower voltage so they can put less cooling into the card, making it thinner and lighter, so it sacrifices performance for portability and to make an extremely thin laptop like the razer or the stealth
Ain't the lid disturbing the exhaust air flow a little? I guess after watching this everyone would think to switch to MSI. only concern is it doesn't have a eye catchy design and that red strips and awkward rgb on the lid makes me wonder why
No G-Sync? Seriously why are laptop manufacturers skimping on G-sync lately. It helps with motion blur as it syncs up the frames from the GPU to the monitor. Sure high refresh rate is great, but you need high refresh rate, low response times, and g-sync or adaptive sync to have the most ideal first person gaming experience. Not only that, Optimus (which this laptop uses) is a performance killer. G-sync laptops or laptops that use ONLY the dGPU perform better, and that is a fact. You can test this theory by using an external monitor which usually bypasses the iGPU and connect directly to the dGPU and you will get better performance than using the built in display. This does not happen on laptops that have g-sync or are have the ability to use the dGPU for the internal display. Either way great review Ken. I really appreciate you videos.
Talons Tech Talk You don’t need g sync on a 144hz screen. G sync is used to prevent screen tearing. 144 hz is fast enough that you wouldn’t even need to worry about the screen tearing.Plus g sync killls battery life.
If you're about the price to performance ratio then go for the full spec'd out helios 500 but if you're willing to compromise a few g's for the looks then go for the scar strix 2. As for me I'm going for the scar 2
Currently i'm in the middle of choosing between SCAR GL504GS (GTX1070) OR GL504GW (RTX2070) what do you guys think will be good for future investment and performance?? 🤔🤔
Just so you guys know, you can price match Micro centers deal for 1799 at best buy, I did it and it is by far the best laptop you can buy for under 1800, shit for under 2400 at that
@@obscenejesster6396 micro center, if you dont have one near you, you can price match at best buy... it's even the 17 inch, www.microcenter.com/product/601896/rog-strix-scar-ii-edition-gl704gw-ps74-173-gaming-laptop-computer---black
Are we sure that this is the full 2070? Asus and some other companies are notorious for not listing the Max-Q part. Edit: Given the 16,000 firestrike score, I'm fairly certain that this is actually the Max-Q version of the 2070.
0bsolete-X ffs. Why do people look at the big score as the quality of the gpu. That’s a score reflected off the gpu & cpu. The gpu scored 19k. This is the full version not max q. And if it was max q it would state it on the benchmark description for the gpu. It just said 1070.
@@KING0SISQO It's really hard to know for sure because several gaming laptop manufacturers simply didn't specify this in their marketing or product descriptions. I'd like to know for sure before I bite the bullet and take a small-time RU-vidr's word for it. Go ahead, get as pissy as you'd like.
0bsolete-X 0bsolete-X not pissed at your comment. I’ve owned dozens of laptops. 1060 1070 for the last gen. I benchmark and understand what I’m looking at. I open my laptops to the motherboard and upgrade what I can. Repaste it etc. I may be small time. But at least I know more than you. You was so sure your own observation was correct. I corrected you. A thank you be nice. But I actually not bothered. I’m just happy to know that some small time person knows more than you. Enjoy your knew laptop when you get it. Remember you don’t want a MAX-Q model gpu. If you pay attention to the video at 5:20 you’ll hear him say it. But I knew this without hearing it. That you can thank me for
@@KING0SISQO LOL you're definitely throwing a hissy fit. I intentionally left room for myself to be wrong, and I'm glad because I'd like this laptop to contain a stronger gpu. Maybe you just like getting all offended over trivial shit?
@@KING0SISQO LOL I asked a question and left room for myself to be corrected. That's not an ego. You're the one who threw a hissy fit over this. Your life must be pretty fkn boring.
1. 3dmark Fire Strike is also CPU source looking at the benchmark the GPU had 19k score 2. the RTX are basking 2 things: Ray Tracing and DLSS, RT may be a luxury but DLSS will push in game framerates further than what benchmarks ranked them at
@@rrm1903 OVERALL most games u only gona see 10 to 15 FPS max difference, its about 500€/$ more then a GTX 1070 so I dont see how u it is worth to give that much more for a slighty perfomance over the last gen!
@ what? 500€?? you can buy a 2070 laptop for 100 or 200 more than 1070 version on Amazon, if you look at Razer or Alienware or GigaByte the prices are even the same and a 2070 performs as a 1080 laptop (or better) which is priced a tad higher
Does "Detailed review" on gaming laptop and doesn't do one real world test with a Single Game...On a Gaming Laptop! from Asus "THE REPUBLIC OF GAMERS". At least load on bullshit like the free game the laptop comes with (Battlefield 5 or Anthem) or at least a moba lol
Samuel Romans ik, but I already got the razer blade 15 and it is in replacement rn while out of stock, can’t refund and stuck in this place for about a month now, god knows when I will get it back
@@jackli1662 are you talking about the rtx version? The razer 15 is amazing, the rtx version is way too expensive for me , but I believe it has a 4k monitor? Which is completely worth it with the rtx, if you dont have that, maybe you can squeeze them to give you the upgraded version, I'm pretty sure if they dont have yours in stock they have to right?
Samuel Romans I mean rtx version but not 4K model, I meant the rtx2080 model with 1080p 144hz screen. What a shame that their webstore is in stock for new customer yet their replacement team has no stock and couldn’t give me one even though I paid a month ago (why can’t they just go to webstore department and prioritize the model for those who already paid first?)
@@jg14gerhard_bar you are a living joke LOL! This is a gaming laptop and yest he ran all those tests but no GAMING PERFORMANCE! Oh boi how funny you are?! you must be a fking comedian
hmm and he did run benchmarks just no gaming ones(strange).should have tho consider it was a detailed review tbh. also I think @JG was pointing to to the fact he did have tests run just no real world gaming ones.
yes he had the standard set, however as it has been proven over the last year.. just that set of benchmarks is useless. Let me explain, manufacturers have started to make the laptops good for benchmarks but not for real use. There are lots of laptops that can sustain high performance for 5-45 min and then due to poor cooling the performance drops like a rock ( thermal throttling and so on). A good example for this would be: Asus ZenBook 550/580, Asus GM501, MSI G65 and other thin and light laptops that can maintain good performance for a little while. For ultrabooks and multimedia ( if this category even still exists), this might not be necessarily a problem but for gaming notebooks it is. We saw in the review that it reached the 90C mark so probably it will throttle and not be stable for long gaming sessions. Note: I owned the laptops I mentioned and all had the same issue. Good benchmarks , poor real life use. Can they be tuned, yes, some can definitely be tuned to an acceptable level, however that should not be needed. At the moment you pay a lot of money for smoke and mirrors since they can not perform at top performance and you basically have to under tune them to make them stable for long high workload usage. You pay for a 2070 and have to tune it to a 2070 MAX-Q level to have it stable. Anyway, I still have my Asus G752VY and while I did undervolt it a bit, that was because I am currently gaming on a 1440p and I prefer the lower temps that are under 85C all the time. Anway, sorry for the rant. Summary: manufacturers use powerful components that they can not cool, in order to flex on paper, while most users will have to under tune them and basically spend a few hundred dollars for paper specs or pay extra and risk warranty for recasting and other thermal improvements.
