ASUS... Why are you the way that you are?! 

Great video Jay! ASUS really needs calling out on this BIOS. SUPER important people do NOT adjust the IccMax amperage upwards from 280A limit IF they've loaded "Intel Baseline Profile" on ASUS' latest BIOS. That profile sets the SVID (loadline) to a setting called "Intel's Fail Safe". This is a misleading ASUS name, as it is neither from Intel, nor safe. "Intel's Fail Safe" SVID can (and this varies by CPU and motherboard model) put up to 1.67v Vcore into a 14900KS! Above 1.5v should only be for short durations. Please always keep ASUS' "SVID" setting at AUTO, unless your CPU is already unstable with all other settings and still needs more loadline to be stable. "AUTO" SVID + 400A/320W/320W results in a safe Vcore and is OK to use.

I won't buy ASUS again due to issues with my current ASUS motherboard and their dodgy warranty support.

Asus "In Search of Incredible" = "In Search of Your Wallets"

im glad to see that even Jay hits the del key nonstop during restart 😂

One of my first PCs was an Atlon advertized as having 1200Mhz, it always ran on 800Mhz. Years and 5 PC's later I found out to get the right speed you had to set a jumper. I never got the full performance, because nobody I talked to knew back then that there is a jumper. That ASUS stuff reminds me of this story.

This is absolutely the least of ASUS' problems. Their borderline criminal behavior regarding warranties (see Gamer's Nexus and Louis Rossman's separate videos on the topic) are more than enough for me to realize this is a company that stopped caring about it's customers a LONG time ago, and it's just sad.

Hey Jay, you need to do a final update video on this. ASUS just released another BIOS update for my ROG STRIX Z790-E that looks like it fixed everything you mentioned in this video! From Update Notes: 1. Introduce the ""Performance Preferences"" with options for Intel Default Settings (Performance/Extreme) and ASUS Advanced OC Profile. 2. Redefine the factory defaults based on Intel’s new ""Intel Default Settings"" for various CPU SKUs. 3. Change F5 from ""Load Optimized Defaults"" to ""Reset to Defaults"". 4. Add warnings when users switch from the defaults to other settings. Thanks for all the great videos that are informative and entertaining.

Hi Jayz,i have this result of my PC with i14700k in Cinebench r23: 400A - 32386 points(AVG Temp. = 96C/AIO 360 cooling)253W 280A - 31964 points(AVG Temp. = 84C/AIO 360 cooling)230W I Stay on 280A 🤓

Been buying EVGA and ASUS the past 20 years. First EVGA ditches Nvidia, and now ASUS going haywire with everything they do. It's sad to see how thing are these days.

If it aint broken, keep making changes until it is.

Thanks, Jay! I have an ASUS board where I recently updated the BIOS due to boot problems. That fixed the boot problems but I didn't even realize these new limit games were added. I have the new settings in place now.

OMG, that one line at like 00:15 about the sense wires, it makes so much sense now xD I have had that problem on/off for like 6 months, it comes and goes, even without moving the PC, though it was my PSU getting bad, or not handling the load spikes, as that's normally when it happens, on opening or closing games, not while just under 100% static load

What makes this worse is not everyone is tech savvy and will likely not go into the bios to make these changes and cook their cpu. Intel's settings should be automatically default so that nobody has problems.

Hardware unboxed showed where Intel said these boards were in spec in the past and have now changed their tune since it is causing problems for Intel.

Nice, TY :) More of this. I would love a complete Asus Bios settings video :)

Great video, installed the latest version and tought "default should be intel preset", after the installation my system was extremly unstable. Had to install an older version to fix it. Now I installed the new version again and set everything to intel default (that button is so easy to overlook) and my system is as stable as it could be. HW: 12900k, z690 gaming f, 2x32gb 6000mhz corsair dominator (couldn't run stable with asus settings on their newest bios version)

Jay, I live about 45 minutes from their headquarters, do you need me to hold a sign that says, "FIX YOUR S**T!"

A company's reputation for their customer service is the key. For years I heard that ASUS's has been going downhill so I avoided them when making my latest system. Then there's all this info about them killing CPUs and being dodgy with warranties. EK I heard their customer service was bad so I avoided them when I water-cooled my system and several months later all that stuff came out. TL;DR: Avoid companies with a bad reputation for their customer service. If they can't stand by their product and fix things when they break it then there's something rotten under the surface.

Thank you for doing this fixed a few problems for me! Truly appreciate it

Me in my cheap ASSRock motherboard: "Haha, look at these fools."

nope, should be Intel limits set from when shipped , then have an option to opt out of intel stock. The ROG tax should get their customers the best recommended settings and Excellent RMA service

I'm so grateful with the platform that you hold and how you hold companies accountable for their actions. Especially love when you call them out on their bullshit. Keep fighting for the working man.

Thank you so much Jay, everything you showed in the video happened here, I already fixed it here with your video and now I finally have my i9 100%. :)

Thank you for making this video! Hearing this I wish I hadn't gone for an ASUS motherboard when I built the latest computer. Core i9 12900. I had SO many issues with the system being "overclocked by default" and all I wanted was to run EVERYTHING *stock* and within SAFE limits. Building a machine like the one I built is too much money to overclock and mess around with. Had SEVERAL e-mails go back and forth between myself an ASUS before I managed to figure out how to set up the BIOS to run what at least feels like "not overclocked". All I want is for the computer to run reliably for a very long time and not die prematurely because of pushing this or that component too hard.....

This is way too many steps! This should be automatic. That's why we made machines!

It was all fine while Intel wanted the big performance numbers, now it's costing them, the limits suddenly apply!

Where can we find the charts for the previous générations ? I just saw Asus upoloaded new bios on thei website even for the 10th-11th gen motherboards

I use since day 1 on my 13900k back Jan-2023 @ 5.4mhz PL1 125w/PL2 253w (Undervolted offset -0.50v) and set TjMax 90c getting Cb23= 38237

Haven't been buying Asus for almost 8 years now. Every year they do something that justifies my decision. They used to be good, but the people in charge are really ruining the company.

I don’t blame Jay for being upset. This whole thing is pissing me off too. I ran my 14900k system for months trying to figure out why it kept crashing until I was able to set the Intel limits on my MSI motherboard. This whole situation just adds one more crappy layer to deal with after building a new computer.

What motherboard was this for? All the setting don't show up on a Asus Z790 Strix-E WiFi 2

I have an I7-14700KF and cannot find its limits online. Is it also 400A? Intel Defaults puts it at 280, Bios optimized at 511.75, just as in this video. Where can I get the nice lists for processors other than the I9s please?

You're being too kind to ASUS. The BIOS should be running all parts within spec by _default._ The fact that any user input is required to force ASUS to run the Intel CPUs within spec is absurd. But Intel isn't blameless in this either. They were happy to look the other way because the crazy power limits were the only way they could reasonably compete with AMD's recent offerings. Gotta crack 40k on CB R23 with those flagship i9s during review season! Well, at least they _were_ happy until the chip failures and RMAs started rolling in.

I love when Jay gets this animated, it means something is legitimately not right. Even a noob can look at a chart and set things up from it, and ASUS is far from a noob. I guess the free range dog analogy is on point.

Super usefull !!!!! Thank you so much!

Great Thumbnail! Had a good laugh.

Running a 13900kf here, I bumped my amps to 400, my under load temps dropped. Asus Z790 Hero, my last Asus product. Thanks Jay!!!

Republic of Goons

Thanks for that info!

Hey thanks for making us aware of stuff like this you just saved someone's CPU :D Great Stuff 👍 On another note, I want to build myself another PC this year and would like to know which Hardware Manufacturers are making the best Motherboards (BIOS and Feature Wise)

Some people would say: "More numbers mean better".

It's really sad because they have a great variety of products and I've used several that I've loved. But this.... Gotta be upper management with their heads up their butts always ruining good companies

Yeah Asus is all out of the good graces they earned over the years from me. Back in the XP days I had a core duo with a Asus board and it was rock solid. I still have my 6700k and asus pro board combo (gave it to my mom, still does everything she needs then some) and the strix gpu's I had were always stupid good with noise and temps... until the 30 series anyways. Then my last build... X570 Strix board - Died just out of warranty after I moved from a 3700x to 5900x... ok no big ... one off problem Replaced it with a newer x570s Dark hero,... then like a year ago the LED bar on my Strix 3080 12gb had all the blue led's fail, turns out its a common issue (and FYI, the card is loud and hot by default, had to undervolt it to get it not to sound like a harrier jet, it's a far cry from the quiet 2070s strix I replaced). Tried to RMA, short story was I was basically told the light bar is was considered cosmetic and not covered, they would need 8 weeks and they would send an estimate for repair... No thanks I bought a 2 pack of the LED bars off alliexpress for 20 bucks (canadian).... and spent an evening tearing the card apart and replacing the bar (they either did an impressive knockoff job, but my guess is that it's leftover direct factory sale judging from the stamping on the back). Now if they made one change, had they put the cable connection slot for the rgb cable on facing out... I could have replaced it by just taking off the shroud, but no they mounted it so you have to unmount the entire cooler.... because F consumers that's why. The good news is after re pasting it with some NT-H1 left over from a low profile Noctua cooler I use in another pc the temps dropped a few degrees and it runs quieter. Haven't looked at Asus products since.

How do I find the chart in the video that shows the power specs for other intel CPUs?

Did I miss something? I thought Asus was fired...

Oh asus.

Anyone know where to get this settings sheet from? Searched on intel site and cant find it. Need it for my i7 14700kf

Is there a chart like this for the 13700k skews?

Somehow Asus CONTINUES to make it on the JayzTwoCents channel even after being fired

"Updating your bios will invalidated your warranty" - Asus to all x3d users

8:54 what I'm confused about is that you still had Unlimited ICCMAX set to Auto when it should have been disabled?

Such good info.

Hi Jay thanks to you I built my first pc a few years ago and followed your video on how to build start to finish thank you so much man

Asus got Jay so mad he's turned into Frieza 🤣🤣

Actually this video saved my machine. I've had my machine for a year (13900KF), and for the past few months, I keep getting random crashes in games, and even random Blue-screens. (Hell divers II would crash within 5 minutes). Changing the settings on my MB made my system stable again. If the problems come back, at least I know my CPU *IS* damaged and what to replace. Thank you ever so much!

Where can I find the chart for the Intel default settings that you used?

Republic of Goombas Reason for this naming? Goombas are the most generic mobs in Super Mario, hence why tagging RoG as Generic might ruin their brand image _even further_ Sincerely, a former RoG Simp

Im curently sitting in a room with 5 pc's with ASUS motherboards and an ROG Ally. I've used ASUS since I started building PC's. At this point I don't plan on ever looking at them again. Keep up the good work!

Great video, im curious about my i5-14600k should it be pretty close with the other options such as CEP enabled and such? Im on the spec page for intel but its setup so bad.

I also had a lot of issue with DDR5, especially my CL28 5600 which wasnt listed on most boards for XMP profile.

Although I entirely agree that the situation is a mess, and I have commented on various occasions on this topic on Jay's earlier videos, on this particular item I think there has been some confusion. The Intel statement that Jay is referring to is Intel's second one, a preliminary statement having been made in early April I believe. This second detailed statement was released on the 7th or 8th of May, long after Asus introduced the Intel Baseline Profile on z790 boards (Asus released the revised bios with the Intel Baseline Profile around the 19th April). Asus is therefore yet to react to this new statement. The rumours are that Intel has given motherboard manufacturers until the end of May to address this issue. I would expect new bios from Asus and others over the next two weeks. Update 31st May: As expected, Asus has now released a new bios with the correct defaults as mandated by Intel (including pressing F5 no longer loading optimized defaults), and the various options are now available as per Intel recommendations that was shown on the chart.

Great video! You guys should make a video showing the difference between Intel & AMD Bios settings, maybe it's time to switch back to AMD.

The best thing about Asus is probably their motherboard bios menus.

Aww yiss. I can listen to you and Steve tearing ASUS a new one all day long. This stuff is my Tech ASMR, gets the neurons firing!

7:33 "SVID behaviour = Intel's'fail safe: Ok". No, it is not. Buildzoid told in a recent video that this is a stupid setting, which increases voltage to an absurd level therefore people should avoid to set it.

Hey Jay, Quick question: I have the Intel I9-13900k and I followed your settings in this video yet when I run the Cinebench R23 I get 29095 for my score yet you are getting over 33000. I have a 3080Ti card. Was wondering if this is why? Kind of confused as to why my scores are so low compared to yours. I have the Asus STRIX Z790-E GAMING WIFI II Motherboard and 6400 Memory. Any suggestions? As mentioned I am running XMP II settings for my memory and I basically copied your Bios settings you listed in your video. thanks

Jay, which m/b manufacturer can you recommend going forward? i am due for an upgrade soon and i would be interested to know your thoughts on a recommended cpu and board based on all this drama with baseline profiles. thanks!

I have ASUS in my system but given the warranty issues and their sketchy warranty/RMA that Steve posted about im considering swapping it out.

ASUS needs to be renamed to AssUS

where can I find these Intel baseline profiles? specifically for 13700k

I am glad I stumbled into these kinds of videos when I got my new pc. With is 14900kf. I can keep cenibench under 80. Though I use gigabyte which seems to need less steps than asus.

Asoooos! Y U doooo dis?

Jay: ASUS... Why are you the way that you are?! Asus: Because I'm FKing EVIL!!!

Jay you've done 3 videos showing this problem on Asus motherboards! Can we see just how screwed the others are as well?

where do we find these charts for other cpus?

Where can we get the intel chart from? I have a 14700k and would like to make sure 8m running in spec

Intel deserves a lot of the blame for this too. They issued new limits after they issued their “Baseline” numbers. They have been trying their best to be at the top of the performance charts; even if it burns out consumers’ CPUs.

Where did you find that graphic showing the Intel power delivery profiles? I'm trying to locate similar settings for my 12700K.

Thank you for this video! I upgraded to 14600KF from a 11600KF yesterday. I have a Noctua U12A and did some Prime95 to see what kind of temps I got.. I pretty much instantly had multiple cores thermal throttling att 100C. Did some checking and my CPU was running at 230 watts when Intels boost wattage is 180(!)... Turned off Asus multi core enhancement and now CPU is stable at 80 degrees max load at Intel specs. ALSO my motherboard is a B760-F which is advertised as not supporting overclocking.. =)

intel's actual base line profile is 125w pl1 and 188w pl2. The 253w pl1 and pl2 is the extreme profile.

I wonder if Intel is going to face a class action lawsuit like AMD did over those 8 core chips that weren't really 8 core. I mean if you're paying for something and you're not getting it isn't that consumer fraud?

im 100% with you on this jay drives me nuts

Love the Otamatone interlude xD Who of you played that?

I absolutely agree with you; no end user should have to manually tweak the BIOS in order to get the performance that they paid for. However, I think every end user should educate themselves on how to tweak the BIOS themselves. I am, by no means, excusing motherboard manufacturers for not following the Intel spec, but at the same time, I think part of the problem is so many people use a computer every single day and have no concept as to how the machine actually works.

AMD Ryzen on AM5 is getting better and better 💯🤩

How do I find those settings for my processor? After the last video I turned the boosting off and I went from having bsod and the computer crashing and coming back into bios to it working as intended but it's slower than it should be by a decent amount.

Is this happening to AMD chips? And where can I find this info from AMD for the 7950x3d since to this day a got some instability even on “stock “

Intel is a mess right now. They are pushing their chips too far instead of improving the architecture.

Instead of spamming/holding a button to get into BIOS, you can make a desktop shortcut to automatically reboot into BIOS. It is helpful if overclocking CPU/RAM and need frequent access. Here's how: Create a shortcut with the following commands "shutdown /r /fw /t 1". The "1" is in how many seconds you want the command to execute, so adjust as desired.

Is this a all 13 n 14th gen issue or just the 14900k? I ask cus ive had two bad 14700k's that failed over time using a rog board. It's there a place I can find the baseline settings for the 14700k to check?

Where i can get this 6:26 for the i9 10900k? Google didn't helped me

4:55 NO! it is from 7th gen! i7-78xx and i9-79xx CPUs have exactly the same power/ heating issue!

I will never buy Asus again, every single Asus product I have ever bought has had major issues. Bricked motherboards for seemingly no reason, faulty laptop displays and batteries, buggy keyboard software, the list goes on. It's a shame because from a performance standpoint, they've always been great, but performance doesn't matter if the reliability is nonexistent.

Ugh hit my desk as jay was getting into the bios… spent 1.whatever minutes looking for what on my glass desk was rocking back and forth…

Missed a really good and true old school Jay rant video.

If I were Intel, now they have reached the point where I would forbid ASUS from manufacturing Intel compatible mainboards, and sue them for trademark damage

Bro you deciphered them years ago. Why the surprise now? Didn't you once say "no more asus"?

Great video jay! Im not sure if im the only one that feels this way but years ago i used to think asus was never really cutting edge, but they were reliable and built competent products. Now it seems they are just terrible to be in business with. Both as a partner and a consumer. I guess im just happy my computer doesnt have any asus parts cuz this kind of shit gives me paranoia to the max

Hi. Where can I find this kind of power delivery spec tables for any processor currently in the market?

Hello everyone