At event for Christian lawmakers, panelists insist Satanists can't be school chaplains (Livestream) 

You are not correct . Try being an outspoken Christian or atheist or even any other belief other than Muslim in countries run by sharia law .

@@RobertStambaugh-l5r That's a country that has those laws. Not all people of that religion live in those kind of places or follow / enforce said laws

⁠@@RobertStambaugh-l5rI will never cos play a Christian, but thanks for the offer. Your scenario has nothing to do with my rights in America being crushed by Christian nationalists.

​@user-ki1un4jg2d He's talking about what's happening in the USA. This was probably when immigrants from Muslim countries were banned from Trumps travel ban. And also, if these Christians Nationalist got there way, I genuinely think it would be comparable to sharia law.

​@@GamingWithNikolasit would be exactly the same if not worse. Say you are an atheist and got stoned to death, and not in a good way

That's the plan. Make them all religious schools.

@@dannycarlow8204 , trust me I know, as a non-Christian, I'm fully aware that there are certain factions in this country would go to any lengths to make this a strictly white christain only nation.

Thank you for calling out Christian supremacy. Christian religion is the one remaining pillar of colonialist heteropatriarchy that people shy away from shaming and as such it's used to continue to institutionalize all matter of harm.

The education vouchers they want sounds good but it is actually a way to segregate schools again. Then on project 2025 republicans want to abolish the department of education.

And those religious schools should not receive any federal or state funds. No private school or charter school should.

So you don't support child abuse? Good on ya....

There is no such thing as a Christian school, because a school is where you are educated. Christians indoctrinate, they don't educate.

@@tonywood3660 They said "If"

​@@tonywood3660 Catholic/Christians schools themselves are abusive to children

They want to take that choice away. So that you HAVE to have your children taught by chaplains rather you like it or not. It's something the democrats should really hammer the republicans on.

Very serendipitous autocabbage there, being a Satirist!

i don't think you are allowed to even ask are you? that would be a lawsuit right there.

@@HarryNicNicholas I was working for tempur-pedic and a co-worker was talking about saying prayer at the start of lunch break. When asked I mentioned that I didn't mind but I wouldn't be because I'm atheist. Was "let go" the next day. They can get away with quite a lot of shit in right-to-work states.

The other one is that these arseholes say if you like a beer on Friday you are fired. They tried this in the UK and we're told to fuck off. If it's not a night before work and they don't turn up "in drink" they can not be fired. So fuck them on

@@HarryNicNicholas True. Though I would guess their approach would be to check social media and then simply claim "better candidates." While still illegal, they'd be totally safe.

Schools need a principal who handles administrative work and order with the students and Teachers that independently teach their subjects, with degrees in their subjects, and really nothing else.

​@@user-wi9hv2pb2qto pretend that children do not have the need for qualified experts to help care for them is just as foolish as insisting they need chaplains

@user-bt5qt9pp4x, then it’s every religion or none or it violates the first amendment.

​@user-bt5qt9pp4xthat's like saying not allowing racism in school is discrimination against racists....

The thing is less and less people are going to church so they want to remove the choice and force people to have to listen to the bible.

it's in the book, you have to annoy people and force god's rules on folks like it or not. i have to remind people that even "nice" christians will say it's okay for god to kill whoever he feels like just cos they disagree with him, it's an inhuman way of thinking. god is an alien and a criminal (and not real most of all).

They are not fooling anyone

I think you means lies.

@@junepearl7993 That took me back at bit, but then I thought - well, lace is pretty, and their beliefs aren't, so hide the ugly with something pretty? So not too far off. Besides, I'm happy to know that other people besides me start typing a word that starts with certain letters and end up typing a different word entirely. Edited to correct silly mistake (which proved my point). 🤦‍♀

Nonsense, of course. Hardly anybody wants true theocracy. The problem is, your kind want no trace of our Christian heritage...and Christians have finally begun to stand up...

Exactly like that. The projection is off the charts.

Because it is!

And a violation of the separation of church and state.

I love this label!

And their christo-fascist politics.

It wouldn't be if they followed the most important command of their Jesus.

​@@jjbud3124Expecting more Jesus to cure the problems with Christianity is like expecting more drinking to cure the problems caused by alcoholism.

Especially since they were empowered in the 60s and 80s by the deinstitutionalization movement!!!!!

Ohh well Marxists can get into schools it’s their (religion)Jesus

THANK YOU!! EXACTLY!! Finally someone addressed and called this out!

EXACTLY.

I was disgusted by how many churches received Covid funds. In my state, some of the churches received multiple funds.

Long overdue!

With most of the courts (and SCOTUS) leaning far right? How’s that going to go?

@@jswaggart01 Well as long as you are willing to instantly give up then nothing. Black people in the south didn't know Jim Crow would end. They had huge obstacles but still did it.

Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. It's right at the beginning. Effectively, making no law establishing religion means that you cannot have religious artifacts or literature in public schools (or anywhere in government in general), or teach religion, or hold prayer service (individuals praying quietly to themselves is just fine). By not allowing other religions, such as satanism, they are also violating the provision that guarantees the free exercise of religion.

@@emilala9049 Christian Nationalists don't care about no pesky constitution. Unless its guns.

Like every other of the Abrahamic trinity god concept religions.

@@fredriksundberg4624 The others don't do that "trinity" thing.

@@ChefBuckeye Trinity = Judaism christianity and islam. Abrahamic trinity = Judaism christianity and islam.

But we have too much free-dumb in our markets to ban private school markets.

I don’t understand how that would fix the problem of allowing chaplains in state schools.

@@therealjetlag They educated their kids enough they didn't believe in magic sky wizards who said they are allowed to tread on everyone else. Can't have the inmates running the asylum if they've been cured.

@@therealjetlag The concept would never even come up in a normal country.

Religion ruins everything, especially minds. This is state sanctioned child abuse.

I did a little googling. There aren't a lot of studies, but the ones I did find showed significantly less suicides and suicidal ideation among the religious and among those receiving Christian counseling. One study showed an over 50% reduction aftet Christian counseling vs purely secular counseling. Do you have different information?

@@RKling-o2bwhat you found is evidence that 1) religious people commit s-word at lower rates, and 2) even Christian counseling is better than nothing. What op is referencing is the fact that Christian counseling is far less effective than evidence based secular therapy.

@@LifeStrike2030 i have an idea why. i was forced to go to a bible study class every week by my mother (it wanst that bad actually, i made the teacher's and the priest's work a living hell because every time they wanted to tell a story from the bible i was able to just take it apart with logic lol), and one thing they said was that if you S yourself, you will go to hell. so i think it can be a factor for those indoctrinated people to be too afraid to do so because of the threat of ethernal hell

I’m among the number of people pushed by a Christian counseling into attempting my life. I’m still in therapy because of 10 years of church abuse.

@@t.l.c7481 I’m with you. Solidarity.

Only when it suits their agenda.

Those folks are irredeemable idiots.

I mean, they don't want to admit we were founded by religious extrmists looking to practice their cult ish.

Same thing, hits different 😂

Aren't they the party FOR groomers?

They’re only against grooming if it’s other persons doing the grooming. They reserve grooming for themselves only. Childhood indoctrination of children is child abuse period!

Make that religious indoctrination of children is chil abuse!

Yep.

Not a felony. A constitutional violation.

They also said no Muslims so that's two counts on discrimination.

Just imagine a chaplain for all religions and denominations ..... It would be chaos

​@@valalongtooth1You mean like the US military? All it takes to get a chaplain for your religion assigned to your base is to fill out a form & wait - or become ordained yourself.

@@solosynapse Religion doesn’t belong in schools unless it’s a world religion class

God is not imaginary . God has proven himself billions of times . Every time a baby is born , it is the gift of life given to us by God .

@@RobertStambaugh-l5r A non-imaginary god does not need you to speak for it. Let it do its perfectly real thing, don’t ruin it with your imperfection, like typing or speaking. …at least help its cause by just shutting up and watching it do its tricks.

@@RobertStambaugh-l5r God has never been proven by anyone or any event.

🎯

@@RobertStambaugh-l5r Run along and play. The adults are talking.

Courts don't work that way. First the law has to be passed, then they have to find someone who has been harmed by it and that person can sue. That can often be hard to prove. After all when it's a decision between hiring this person or that person you can always come up with a valid reason to go with the person who shares your beliefs. (Though given all the unwitting testimony they are providing, the lawyer's job is being made much easier.)

Get ready looks like the revolution would be in the courts

Not to mention all the youth pastors and church pastors getting busted for pedophilia these days.

Yes!

20%

The Christofascists would say that they are the instruments of the Lord. I would have said 'tools', but apparently that makes me the bad person.

it makes them, guilt from bad sex education must have ruined BILLIONS of lives.

Any religion doesn't solve problems. Get rid of religion in politics😡🙈🙉🙊

@@SuperMadman41 shinto and jainism are pretty good, if i had to pick i'd be shinto, no god, no punishments or rewards.

Who you going to put in? RC priests, many known sexual predators, southern baptist ditto

It only creates more

well quit. no use pretending to be "nice". there is no god.

I remember when I was at Peel High School in Tamworth, NSW in the 80's there was a chaplains office as well as the School Counsellor. Peel High is a public school.

​@@HarryNicNicholas Go back to r/AtheistMoments we don't need you

@HarryNicNicholas that's not logical. It's kinda like saying that your much loved wife did something that you disagree on, that makes you mad, therefore, you're going to get a divorce cause obviously, marriage doesn't work and love must be fake. Your opinion on whether there is or isn't a God is irrelevant to me. I've taken a gamble which I'm comfortable with. I've been an atheist, tried various religions... loved all of those but, I loved my Jesus more, even if it turns out to be wrong, fake, etc, I don't mind. I'm not demanding you take the same gamble, I don't care if you are Christian or not. You don't have to convince me and I don't have any urge to convince you.

@@totalcontrol4205 If only more of them would take the mindset you seem to have taken then people would get along a hell of a lot better. Be what you want and believe ( or don't ) in whatever you want. Just do no harm unless you're defending yourself from it or preventing it from being done to others.

And how do we enforce that when they are in a closed room with a 6-year-old?

​@@JaniceLHz As you were replying, I was editing my comment as I realized it could be misinterpreted. 😊

Have you run across religions people ever following their own rules?

@@amberinthemist7912 Actually, I have found some religious folks living according to their own rules & not using the same to judge, mistreat, or hate others. Of course, there are many, who sadly don't live by those rules. 😑

@@amberinthemist7912 I am aware of many military chaplains that follow the chaplain code pretty strictly, even religious people can have ethics, even if many of the *vocal* religious people right now seem to not know the word even exists.

Thats what the certification requirement actually does. They dont have to ask, they just make you present your cert and look at where it came from.

@@ethanrappolt6528 Ah, I forgot this was about chaplains. Good point.

For (some) positions espousing religious beliefs, it has been ruled that asking or not hiring isn't discrimination. Due to the nature of the job, their faith is unavoidably relevant. For a janitor it's irrelevant, for a chaplain it is.

@@andiward7068 only if youre hiring a chaplain for a specific religion, like for a particular church. Thats not applicable here.

@@ethanrappolt6528 the schools don't have to ask. They will hire from a pool of candidates that religious groups have already vetted.

Not to mention that the few certified counselors left are solely involved with test administration. I believe these laws and moves being made in public schools are to make public schools so unacceptable that more parents will demand voucher systems. It used to be that only Christian parents homeschool their children for religious purposes. I recently read an article that reported that the huge influx of tech works coming from California and New York to Texas are homeschooling their children because our public education system in Texas is so behind where they came from. My belief from watching it on the inside as a Texas teacher is Texas is behind because of deliberate actions within our state government to destroy the public education system.

​@@crochetpurplecats 💯

@@crochetpurplecats In my experience school counselors spend most of their time helping students with their educational career, class choices and college guidance. "Chaplains" are woefully unprepared to do any of that work. Sadly, the legislators don't give a rat's about what students actually need.

@wffarrell I've worked in three different districts in Texas during my careers and the counselors were never available to help kids with emotional problems and only spent time on careers or schedules after testing or for the first two weeks of the school year. It was different during the first 8 years I taught (more like you said). But after that it started getting worse and worse. There was even one school year, we went the whole year without a counselor because we were an elementary school so we didn't really need a counselor. I've taught every level during my career and counselors were mostly unavailable. I've had to handle suicide outcries myself several times. All of it started because they started cutting out counselors and librarians to save money in the budget. Teachers become more and more responsible for doing many of the jobs. Now we don't have enough teachers because we started to be forced to be clerks, custodians, counselors, etc. It is one of the reasons I retired as soon as I could. I really miss the kids and the teaching but not the rest of it.

To be fair, education and superstitions are polar opposites.

I think even this joke of a SCOTUS bench would be hard pressed to uphold the constitutionality of these laws. If the US Chaplain Corps wasn't able to keep out non Abrahamic chaplains, I can't see how any state can write a law to get their desired goal that won't run afoul of multiple Fed laws along with hundreds of years of precedent.

I hope you are right but with the way things have been going and the organization of project 2025, I feel whats is constitutional or correct will not be observed. They have weaponized religion and ignorance.

​@VAwitch ha. Have you not been paying attention? Chevron case, overturning R v W? Bribing officials is a "gratuity"? The party DOESN'T CARE about States rights and precedent and are making sure they can get away with this ish.

I didn’t realize that, when I worked for a youth organization, we were legally obligated to report. Unfortunately, I had to do it twice in ten years. No wonder there are so many SA cases in churches and youth groups. A story came out the other day about a pastor who was SA a 12 year old, who is now an adult. When confronted, he went into a whole spiel that ‘he strayed from God and asked forgiveness for his sin’. Jail time, that’s the damn consequence. Should be worse really.

@@down-to-earth-mystery-school Considering OVER 80% of CSA cases are committed by a close family member or trusted family friend it's understandable why victims won't report for fear the predator will be killed. If reporting and investigatory agencies along with our justice and probation departments would just do their jobs we wouldn't have to fantasize about 'eliminating' predators. Maybe more victims would report. ✌

Depending on the State, some ARE mandatory reporters, but they don't know or don't care.

Sharia is literally the word Law. I wish Americans were educated enough to know this.

@@CricketsBay In Arabic, Sharia literally means "the clear, well-trodden path to water".

Yep. Saying the quiet parts out loud, they are.

I was thinking just ask a Muslim. I'm sure plenty of Muslims would be happy to volunteer, and no-one could claim Islam is not a valid religion.

Because people vote for the guy who reads the prepared script better instead of someone who is actually qualified

Many hospitals in the U.S. have chaplains. An actual Chaplain cannot "represent" any religion. They must be there without judgment for all people, regardless of faith or lack thereof.

Yup. Party against groomers, literally trying to force schools to have groomers on staff. GOP always doing the opposite of what they say.

I worry that it's more about allowing groomers to have access to children. GOP always saying they're the party against groomers, but high rates of CSA in Catholic, Baptist, Evangelical, etc. churches belies their rhetoric.

These “special” people only want their evangelical extremist proselytizers in place. These are white nationalists who want to eliminate everything and everyone who isn’t them.

But Satan is in THEIR book ? 😮😮

Paganism is the oldest religion, I am a registered chaplain, maybe I should apply?

@@down-to-earth-mystery-school exactly. And Christmas wasn’t even Christmas it was originally a pagan event.

For Christians in the USA and toa lesser extent in the UK anything that stops them being a bunch of twats is persecution.i believe I'm a racist twat so I'll be a twat who says you must obey me 9:01

i hope so, but even muslims applying would shake things up. or any other religion, it's clear "they" just want christians, unfortunately for them the US is a secular nation and the first amendment conflicts with the first commandment - thou shalt worship whoever you feel like worshiping.

No question. This is their raison d'être.

The man said only "Certified champlains". Meaning "Only Christians because Christianity is the only religion that we want in schools". Not only is it discrimination but they are openly saying that they will discriminate against other religions.

@@timo72455 If that is what they mean, then they are advocating a blatant violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

I don't fear them, I just can't stand them.

I am pagan and when I told one of my neighbors, he accused me of worshipping Satan. How surprised he was to learn that pagans don’t believe in Satan, that he is a Christian mythological entity😆